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Shawn Heilbrons contract
« on: February 03, 2023, 11:30:24 am »
Has Shawn Heilbrons contract been extended or is he working without one? If he is working without one is an extention being worked on or is he going to be let go after the semester? There are big decisions that have to be made and geno is just one of them. Is the president letting Shawn make that decision after what he did with football?

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Re: Shawn Heilbrons contract
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2023, 10:59:28 am »
What is the story on his contract? Its almost August. Why the awkward silence? Since he is still here it is likely there has been another very quiet contract handed out.

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Re: Shawn Heilbrons contract
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2023, 12:48:21 am »
It hasn't officially been announced yet but it appears Shawn has been extended retroactive to the end of his last contract.

That means he would be entering the second year of a three-year deal. There's obviously more to the story and we're trying to get at it, but he'd have two years to get something going.

I get the feeling that a lot of people have been cut some slack due to COVID and are now being given a chance to see what they can do in a post-COVID world.

You can argue that some of those people underperformed before COVID, what makes anyone think they'll do any better after?

You can also argue that it's unfair to judge performance during COVID unless your job was to deal with it directly.

And then more questions come up...

- Who do you replace him with?

- Who among those qualified wants the job?

- How much do you trust a Stony Brook selection committee (and there would be one) to make the right choice?

- How long would it take for the process to complete its course?

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Re: Shawn Heilbrons contract
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2023, 12:08:21 pm »
Not excited at all about that... but somewhat expected tbh.

We need someone new. We need a Jim Fiore type guy without the sexual advances.

It still pains me till this day that the guy screwed up a program that he was leading so well because he couldn't keep his mouth and hands in check. Freaking shame.
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Re: Shawn Heilbrons contract
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2023, 12:16:54 pm »
It hasn't officially been announced yet but it appears Shawn has been extended retroactive to the end of his last contract.

That means he would be entering the second year of a three-year deal. There's obviously more to the story and we're trying to get at it, but he'd have two years to get something going.

I get the feeling that a lot of people have been cut some slack due to COVID and are now being given a chance to see what they can do in a post-COVID world.

You can argue that some of those people underperformed before COVID, what makes anyone think they'll do any better after?

You can also argue that it's unfair to judge performance during COVID unless your job was to deal with it directly.

And then more questions come up...

- Who do you replace him with?

- Who among those qualified wants the job?

- How much do you trust a Stony Brook selection committee (and there would be one) to make the right choice?

- How long would it take for the process to complete its course?

Another secret contract has been handed out.
How do you explain James Madisons success during covid and afterward? How do you explain the success of the other schools in the conference during and after covid? SB athletics is really milking covid as an excuse.
They need an AD who can grow the program and put fans back in the stands. Heilbron promised excitement around the program with football leading the way. They peaked in 2018, with kids recruited by Priore while Fiore was still there. The top administrators in the department have proven they cant do the job and one is probably protected by the state since he has been here most if not all of his career.
The expansion of the stadium in that other end was already funded by the state before Heilbron got there.
The university has done everything it can to chase fans and season ticket holders away so you all can try to explain and accept the decisions to extend the football coach and AD and keep putting your energy there quietly. Or you can be a loud voice of encouraging change and not accepting these decisions which have driven a once very good department and programs into the ground. The new indoor practice place is not attracting talented football recruits. Remember that promise?

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2023, 01:23:07 pm »
It hasn't officially been announced yet but it appears Shawn has been extended retroactive to the end of his last contract.

That means he would be entering the second year of a three-year deal. There's obviously more to the story and we're trying to get at it, but he'd have two years to get something going.

I get the feeling that a lot of people have been cut some slack due to COVID and are now being given a chance to see what they can do in a post-COVID world.

You can argue that some of those people underperformed before COVID, what makes anyone think they'll do any better after?

You can also argue that it's unfair to judge performance during COVID unless your job was to deal with it directly.

And then more questions come up...

- Who do you replace him with?

- Who among those qualified wants the job?

- How much do you trust a Stony Brook selection committee (and there would be one) to make the right choice?

- How long would it take for the process to complete its course?

Another secret contract has been handed out.
How do you explain James Madisons success during covid and afterward? How do you explain the success of the other schools in the conference during and after covid? SB athletics is really milking covid as an excuse.
They need an AD who can grow the program and put fans back in the stands. Heilbron promised excitement around the program with football leading the way. They peaked in 2018, with kids recruited by Priore while Fiore was still there. The top administrators in the department have proven they cant do the job and one is probably protected by the state since he has been here most if not all of his career.
The expansion of the stadium in that other end was already funded by the state before Heilbron got there.
The university has done everything it can to chase fans and season ticket holders away so you all can try to explain and accept the decisions to extend the football coach and AD and keep putting your energy there quietly. Or you can be a loud voice of encouraging change and not accepting these decisions which have driven a once very good department and programs into the ground. The new indoor practice place is not attracting talented football recruits. Remember that promise?
I tend to agree. COVID affected all schools, everywhere. It was a level playing field in that sense so I don't know that giving any coach or AD a "pass" makes sense. Same thing with injuries. Unless your starting QB or conference-leading RB gets injured, well...every team has injured players. It's part of the normal course of events and shouldn't be used for excuses.

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Re: Shawn Heilbrons contract
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2023, 08:19:38 pm »
Not excited at all about that... but somewhat expected tbh.

We need someone new. We need a Jim Fiore type guy without the sexual advances.

It still pains me till this day that the guy screwed up a program that he was leading so well because he couldn't keep his mouth and hands in check. Freaking shame.

How long are you going to keep blaming the old AD for SBU athletes failure? There comes a point in time where SBU needs to step up to the plate and admit they made a mistake by hiring SH. Shawn is a nice guy, granted, he is. But he sucks as an AD. And his priorities is obviously not to make SBU a better sports team. But more about transitioning sports into the new NCAA way of Wokeness. Prove me wrong

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2023, 10:20:13 pm »
Not excited at all about that... but somewhat expected tbh.

We need someone new. We need a Jim Fiore type guy without the sexual advances.

It still pains me till this day that the guy screwed up a program that he was leading so well because he couldn't keep his mouth and hands in check. Freaking shame.

How long are you going to keep blaming the old AD for SBU athletes failure? There comes a point in time where SBU needs to step up to the plate and admit they made a mistake by hiring SH. Shawn is a nice guy, granted, he is. But he sucks as an AD. And his priorities is obviously not to make SBU a better sports team. But more about transitioning sports into the new NCAA way of Wokeness. Prove me wrong

I just genuinely miss an AD like Jim Fiore man. I even spoke to the guy while I was there several times. Pisses me off the way things ended.

I was fortunate to be a student at Stony Brook during those golden years where there was excitement to watch CFB/MBB at SBU

Yeah, I completely agree that SH has proved to be terrible hire. He hasn't connected with the alumni, donors, and hasn't created a buzz/hype around the programs like Jim did. I wouldn't have given him an extension.


It can all be summarized as lack of interest in athletics from top to bottom. That's the bottom line. I don't think the top administrators care as much as SSK and JF did. We'll continue to be mediocre department for a while...


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Re: Shawn Heilbrons contract
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2023, 12:41:42 pm »
he had to go.  anyone here have a daughter???  would you send her to SB to play sports when the top of the dept is a predator?  work as an employee under him???
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2023, 12:54:09 pm »
he had to go.  anyone here have a daughter???  would you send her to SB to play sports when the top of the dept is a predator?  work as an employee under him???

Our daughter played there. No, I would not knowingly send my child to a school with that going on but maybe you have missed the qualifier everyone has placed on the former AD when they talk about how well he did and how well he grew the athletic program when they have referenced him.

its sad to see SB extending their AD since he cant raise the money he promised (which was a factor in our decision to send our daughter there to play) and the poor hiring decisions he made. he hired the swim coach. He caused the post season ban keeping our kids out playoffs. And since there has been no official announcement about his extension its kind of obvious that they maybe arent proud of it. like with the football coach.


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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2023, 01:03:09 pm »
If SB has extended his contract they are pretty much saying that they are happy with how things are going under his watch and if that is true its pretty obvious that they may not care about putting fans in the stands. You all can defend it but youve lost at least five years under this situation. They are way behind on NIL too. I dont think theres a lot of passion about the program by the higher ups at the university. Its kind of just there.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2023, 01:37:14 pm »
If SB has extended his contract they are pretty much saying that they are happy with how things are going under his watch and if that is true its pretty obvious that they may not care about putting fans in the stands. You all can defend it but youve lost at least five years under this situation. They are way behind on NIL too. I dont think theres a lot of passion about the program by the higher ups at the university. Its kind of just there.

I agree 100% with both of your posts, factory. The higher-ups could care less if SH was useful in raising 100 million or 100 bucks. This program is funded by taxpayers regardless. Now, if SH was successful in what he was going to do, then yes. This program would be growing by leaps and bounds. But the President is aware that the athletic annual budget is enough to barely keep the lights on. Apparently, that is all that matters here, at the Brook
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Re: Shawn Heilbrons contract
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2023, 01:50:58 pm »
he had to go.  anyone here have a daughter???  would you send her to SB to play sports when the top of the dept is a predator?  work as an employee under him???

Our daughter played there. No, I would not knowingly send my child to a school with that going on but maybe you have missed the qualifier everyone has placed on the former AD when they talk about how well he did and how well he grew the athletic program when they have referenced him.

its sad to see SB extending their AD since he cant raise the money he promised (which was a factor in our decision to send our daughter there to play) and the poor hiring decisions he made. he hired the swim coach. He caused the post season ban keeping our kids out playoffs. And since there has been no official announcement about his extension its kind of obvious that they maybe arent proud of it. like with the football coach.

that's all i asked for. 

and no, i didnt miss it.  qualifiers dont really help in this context. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2023, 02:52:46 pm »
he had to go.  anyone here have a daughter???  would you send her to SB to play sports when the top of the dept is a predator?  work as an employee under him???

Yeah he had to go. But we sure as heck didn't have to go in the direction of SH's hire.


Why couldn't we pay for an up and coming AD from the Northeast region (or even the Southeast) as opposed to this assistant all the way from Oregon? Is it that hard to find a Jim Fiore type guy without the dirt? Stony Brook is the second largest State University in NY. We could've done better and we could do better today than a Shawn Helbron from West Coast Oregon State.

The guy has done absolutely nothing to be proud of. Ok, fine, he led the build of the Indoor Practice Facility. But that's about it. That facility hasn't even translated to wins.

Like, lets be real. Did we really expect a West Coast guy to come in and just connect with our alumni base and the LI region?
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2023, 04:48:16 pm »
he had to go.  anyone here have a daughter???  would you send her to SB to play sports when the top of the dept is a predator?  work as an employee under him???

Yeah he had to go. But we sure as heck didn't have to go in the direction of SH's hire.


Why couldn't we pay for an up and coming AD from the Northeast region (or even the Southeast) as opposed to this assistant all the way from Oregon? Is it that hard to find a Jim Fiore type guy without the dirt? Stony Brook is the second largest State University in NY. We could've done better and we could do better today than a Shawn Helbron from West Coast Oregon State.

The guy has done absolutely nothing to be proud of. Ok, fine, he led the build of the Indoor Practice Facility. But that's about it. That facility hasn't even translated to wins.

Like, lets be real. Did we really expect a West Coast guy to come in and just connect with our alumni base and the LI region?

Time to start thinking outside the box, ecasado. SH was brought into SBU because of the direction this university was/is going. Schools on the West coast are Woke and share the same values as SBU and many other universities now who believe in indoctrination of students. It is where we are at now, and there is no turning back.

I know this because I see it, for starters. And my son who did 4 years there and graduated this year, verified that as well.

SBU could care less about sports. Just as long as they stay within their yearly budget. Who cares about W and L.
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