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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Reply #135 on: July 26, 2021, 02:26:19 pm »
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A. 

however, how do you get there logically?  what about the Big12 departures gives JMU the window to move?  Unless you mean to the Big12 perhaps??? 

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

JMU is looking for an invite to the AAC. That's what they're waiting on. Bourne doesn't want to be an Independent, and he turned down a C-USA offer a few years ago. Now the Dukes have no chance, as it currently stands, to get an AAC offer, but if there were to be a massive shakeup of the BIG 12 post OU and Texas departures, with some AAC team gaining invites to the BIG 12, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for maybe, JMU to receive an offer. Now that's a long shot. And no, SBU will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to pull it off.

that is what i thought- displacement, thanks.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Reply #136 on: July 26, 2021, 03:05:42 pm »
In terms of $$$: if only Heilbron didn't alienate the one billionaire donor who regularly gave a lot to the school financially… that alone is a moron move. He could single-handedly find a stadium upgrade. A valuable resource that idiot Heilborn chose to cast aside.
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« Reply #137 on: July 26, 2021, 03:31:45 pm »
In terms of $$$: if only Heilbron didn't alienate the one billionaire donor who regularly gave a lot to the school financially… that alone is a moron move. He could single-handedly find a stadium upgrade. A valuable resource that idiot Heilborn chose to cast aside.

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« Reply #138 on: July 26, 2021, 04:25:37 pm »
if you're referring to dubin, of course, that may have cost them a lot more in the other direction.  im not saying i agree with it; it's merely a statement of how things are done today.  in fact i think it's over-correction but that's my value judgment.

if you're not referring to him, sorry!
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« Reply #139 on: July 26, 2021, 11:04:59 pm »

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

Precisely this. These moves at the P5 always have far reaching massive trickle down effects. The gist of it is that Texas and OU leaving the Big 12 cause the Big 12 to raid the AAC for replacement schools, which causes the AAC to raid CUSA/the Sun Belt/JMU for replacements, which causes those leagues to search for replacements, and in all of that shuffling, the idea is that one or two spots open up in the FBS for a few schools. In a dream world SBU would get one of those spots, but that's not happening most likely. I mention the CAA collapsing because JMU leaving could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes Richmond, William and Mary, UNCW, CoC etc. to look elsewhere, which opens the door for the America East to grab a couple schools. The CAA has no cohesion with football and non football, public and private, northern and southern... all kinds of different instiutions with no cohesion there. That makes them easy pickings potentially once JMU is gone. With Hartford dropping to D3 we should try and pull in some replacements.

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« Reply #140 on: July 26, 2021, 11:27:12 pm »

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

Precisely this. These moves at the P5 always have far reaching massive trickle down effects. The gist of it is that Texas and OU leaving the Big 12 cause the Big 12 to raid the AAC for replacement schools, which causes the AAC to raid CUSA/the Sun Belt/JMU for replacements, which causes those leagues to search for replacements, and in all of that shuffling, the idea is that one or two spots open up in the FBS for a few schools. In a dream world SBU would get one of those spots, but that's not happening most likely. I mention the CAA collapsing because JMU leaving could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes Richmond, William and Mary, UNCW, CoC etc. to look elsewhere, which opens the door for the America East to grab a couple schools. The CAA has no cohesion with football and non football, public and private, northern and southern... all kinds of different instiutions with no cohesion there. That makes them easy pickings potentially once JMU is gone. With Hartford dropping to D3 we should try and pull in some replacements.

Idk if he's on here, or maybe you're him, but Jeffrey Bernstein mentioned earlier this evening about a possible CAA-AE merger post-BIG 12 shakeup. It's a far out-there idea but isn't the craziest thing I've heard even today. I have zero clues how the **** that feasibly works, but a merger honestly seems like an interesting thought, at the very least... Maybe all the schools that currently have football programs become one conference and all non-football schools become another, and then they have Northeast and Southeast subdivisions, who knows, but there's something to it, even if it's totally out of left field.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Reply #141 on: July 27, 2021, 08:25:07 am »
same.  great conversation, thanks guys.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Reply #142 on: July 27, 2021, 09:30:25 am »
Honestly guys...

It's not worth it. With all the crap going on right now. Lets just stay in place and play in the FCS until the whole system implodes anyway.

Whats the point on making all this additional investments required to play FBS when the returns are simply NOT there? We don't even have the fanbase to sustain it


The entire FBS is feeling the pinch everytime the P5 (soon to be P4) take more of the cash. Not enough people want to watch non-P5 FBS so all those programs are in the same boat as FCS schools. So why fall for this senseless arms race where only the SEC/B1G/ACC/PAC and coaching staff will make money?

If I were Stony Brook AD I would ensure that my program simply sticks around while minimizing the financial bleeding TODAY so that when the whole system implodes we can be in a position to at least have a football program.

What I think the future holds is a semi-pro football league for the top-40 College Football programs and then everyone else will re-assemble into amateurish conferences. At least I hope that's the outcome. I firmly believe that NIL will be the game-changer now and create more separation between the have and have-nots.

The NCAA already hinted that the current model needs to be decentralized. What we need is for the NCAA/Conferences to seperate football from everything else.

Lets keep calm and support our team. Attend our games if we want to without feeling like we have to make a move cuz everyone else is.



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« Reply #143 on: July 27, 2021, 09:54:41 am »
Fellas, all this talk about SB football going FBS this and joining Buffalo, Temple, etc... SB football was just picked to finish in 10th out of 12 spot in the CAA. I think that is actually a little better than what I would have picked.

Unless this university cleans house and starts all over again, this program is finished.

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« Reply #144 on: July 27, 2021, 04:59:53 pm »
Agree with much of the sentiment here. Hoping that SBU will or should ever go FBS is futile. And of it ever did, it will almost certainly drain resources from academics…which is after all the reason for a university in the first place.

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« Reply #145 on: July 28, 2021, 05:17:57 pm »
Fellas, all this talk about SB football going FBS this and joining Buffalo, Temple, etc... SB football was just picked to finish in 10th out of 12 spot in the CAA. I think that is actually a little better than what I would have picked.

Unless this university cleans house and starts all over again, this program is finished.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/1420008570611933184

Pretty sure Maine was picked to finish 9th the year they went to the FCS semis. I put zero stock in these polls.   

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« Reply #146 on: July 28, 2021, 05:57:23 pm »
it's a good point- we talk about FBS, because it's fun, but it costs.  and right now, shouldnt we be worried about cuts???

never mind winning, apathetic fans, attendance, style of play... $$$ is the issue.
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« Reply #147 on: July 28, 2021, 09:56:13 pm »
Fellas, all this talk about SB football going FBS this and joining Buffalo, Temple, etc... SB football was just picked to finish in 10th out of 12 spot in the CAA. I think that is actually a little better than what I would have picked.

Unless this university cleans house and starts all over again, this program is finished.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/1420008570611933184

Pretty sure Maine was picked to finish 9th the year they went to the FCS semis. I put zero stock in these polls.

Albany was picked 11th in 2019 and ended up not only making the playoffs but winning their first-round game. Elon was picked to finish dead last this year, and every FCS reporter I've spoken to think's the Phoenix will finish in the top half of the conference, and are being slept on. William & Mary was a very common choice (by the over 20 FCS reporters I've spoken to) to finish in last, tied with SBU.

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« Reply #148 on: July 29, 2021, 12:00:09 am »
Latest rumors have it that ESPN is conspiring with The American to poach some of the remaining Big 12 schools so the conference can disband and they can get out of having to pay them the media rights. It would also get Texas and Oklahoma out of having to pay the exit fees to the remaining members. If you all remember how ESPN killed the Big East a decade ago, they're doing it again here. This is about to get crazy. Expect court cases and a lot of mudslinging.

The conference sent a strong message to one of its TV partners amid the looming departures of Texas and Oklahoma
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« Reply #149 on: August 25, 2021, 09:38:39 am »
another piece of the puzzle: https://bigten.org/news/2021/8/24/general-acc-big-ten-and-pac-12-announce-historic-alliance.aspx

short version- my hot take is that this will even further push out the other/smaller conferences to do something, and to do it quickly.  because the line between the haves and the havenots just got brighter.  thoughts?
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