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Hammertime

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Re: Stony Brook at New Hampshire
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2016, 02:36:33 pm »
5th turnover  now  due to a Gowins fumble.  Game over for sure.  Very limited offense again and a ton of mistakes on the QB .
Carbone is our go to guy. Stay with him coach P. Thats the right  move...
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2016, 03:41:19 pm »
Just need to forget this one and move on. Really poor afternoon. WIth only 1 conference loss, we still have things in our own hands. May need to win out but 2 of 3 might do it.
Need to come prepared for William and Mary next week. 2 of the last 3 are at home so hopefully the team can take advantage of that.

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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2016, 07:27:09 pm »
Hammer when I'm wrong I admit it and I now finally agree with you Carbone is not the answer however unless the opinions of the Coaches change it doesn't matter what we think

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2016, 08:02:02 pm »
If we win out we go 8-3 and 7-1 in CAA play.  That's a big if with our QB situation I'm sure he is good kid  but right now  overmatched .

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2016, 10:59:08 pm »
Hammer when I'm wrong I admit it and I now finally agree with you Carbone is not the answer however unless the opinions of the Coaches change it doesn't matter what we think

This is true Campi. Our opinions means nothing. I have decided to limit my opinions of how I really feel about our HC and QB.. I think you guys know how I feel, anyways.

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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2016, 12:28:11 am »
I notice a few type O...Sorry.

Long day...

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Re: Stony Brook at New Hampshire
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2016, 06:25:07 am »
You are beginning to sound like me game day...Frustrating, isn't it!!!

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Re: Stony Brook at New Hampshire
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2016, 08:37:48 am »
Some other things that I heard in the last couple of days

Aaron Thompson didn't play yesterday because he still isn't ready and he requested that they petition the NCAA for a 6th year for his injury however the Coaches don't seem to be interested in doing this

When Liotine stepped up last year at RB it seemed that this year he would be the #2 behind Bedel however the coaches couldn't resist taking Gowins when he became available and he hasn't done that great a job and now I'm hearing that they have offered 3 RB's from NJ, PA and Florida for the 2017 class

On top of Carbone having issues at QB I also heard that he has Shoulder problems and hasn't been a 100% for a while

Did anyone see the JMU Rhode Island score 80-7 I think was the final

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2016, 11:34:20 am »
  The UNH  announcers were rattling off our offensive stats for this season yesterday. We are just about  at the bottom in all categories some where around 117 or 118 out of 122 teams across the board. Our coaching staff on offense doesn't seem to want to step up and improve our offense with the talent we really have.  William and Mary and Maine are going to be tough to beat even with us at home .

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2016, 04:32:18 pm »
It seems like this board and all of us are in a Jekyll and Hyde routine when it comes to our team. While I am not a "pollster" I am a former D1 college player and as one there are really only six facets of the game we are players need to be able to understand. Passing, running, catching, kicking, blocking and tackling. Each day in practice and then on game day on Sat/Sun it up to US to execute on what we are asked to do, across the other team and their six facets as "players".

Then of course we hire college coaches to do their jobs in the same areas of these game with the same number of coaches (9)  to get us ready to play and assess the opposing team before and during the practices and games.

This is where I think we fell short yesterday and in my humble opinion it started with special team play. Our kicker had some poor KO's that hurt us and that should be on him!

Our lane guys (which was pointed out a few weeks ago by someone else) did not stay in their lanes and allowed UNH to get outside- and again that is on the players! Poor tackling was once again on display, and at a D1 level is really inexcusable to see this almost weekly, just like our stupid penalties. 

What was a bit strange was that the coaches knowing the UNH kid was either the best or near the best in ALL of FCS on returns and we still kicked it to him- and that is on the staff, unless our Kicker did not do what he was asked of him.  And like it or not, starting out down 7-0 was partially due the KO team and the coaches.

To the rest of the facts of the game,  did not see anything on offense that led me to believe that in the mirror each guy would say they beat the other guy across from them. We kept on running to the left side- and at one point we had 12 rushes for a -4 yards. Our O line yesterday did not get the job done, and whether that was our running game or picking up stunts and blitzes, we should be honest that we just did not get it done.

While our QB is ultimately the guy we need to get us going (and yes again put us in a hole that was tough to get out of throughout the day)  lets not lose sight, that on EVERY given play there are 21 other guys competing against one another to do their jobs and on the coaching side these gentleman have a job to do to get the players ready for each game with whom they believe are the best to put out there.
All we can do is either get disgusted by the coaches or players and asked for heads to roll, or just try and see on Saturday which team (and the staff) shows up; Jekyll or Hyde. I would love to make a prediction as to the rest of the season- but with this team one thing that seems to be consistent is in our inconsistencies!   Let's get the next one at home and see everyone Sat!

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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2016, 09:26:40 pm »
This falls directly on the head coach & i did hear the last offensive coordinator that left this past year wanted  more of a balance offensive game & using the TE & slot back in the game plan.

SBU has steadily gotten worst through the last 3 years on offence; a good QB will steer away from this program due to our lack of a passing attack.

I do enjoy a strong running game; but teams will shut you down & stack the line if you don't have balance. Teams do have weaknesses n it's time for the coaching staff to make adjustment in there offensive game planning.

If  they cannot not then you need to take a serious look at the the leadership & the direction you want this program to go in.

SBU didn't score points against RI until the 4th quarter (14) &  JMU scored 72 points  against RI...wow.  SBU wants to be elite in the CAA...... The program is far from this goal....

We have the players & we need better consistency from our QB & better gaming planning from the staff.... We have several transfer players in our offence from D1 program & a few players that could of easily gone D1; So you can't blame it on the lack of talent..... It's execution of a solid game plan that works;  the current run dominant will not be efficient if you wish to win a division & go to playoffs.

If it wasn't for Bedell 4.8 yard per carry that stats would be even worst; our RB need to get more physical n explosive in the running game n not get tackle so easily.... Teams are now keying in on Bedell & it's going to be more difficult.

This seems like a lot and i am not trying to be negative; i no several family members in the program & they are just as frustrated about what they see.

These changes can be done; only if they wish to make the changes & that is the true question that needs to be asked.
Are you ready for 5 more years of this style of play, game day? Because thats exactly what you will see. Get used to it.. Coach P is staying put and SH doesn't have the melons to make a move at the end of the season...

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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2016, 09:37:09 pm »
Well at least i can support the SBU & the higher education that they offer & i will support the athlete that take advantage of the education that they are offered.

They work very hard to compete on the field  & to achieve nailing a good education.

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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2016, 10:40:36 am »
GameDay,

Not to argue with you because I am only pointing out the actual facts when I post. As to stating the "best player" out there, that is not a moniker any of us who have played the game will state.

Each position has the number one person and two on the depth chart and that is for a reason- and any D1 program (down to Pop Warner- except for when Daddy and Mommy are the head coach to ensure little Joey and Joanie are the starters) goes over the depth chart weekly.  If 88 was not playing as much as he (or you would like) then there are more reasons than just "miscommunication". Having been in a locker room, on the field, and off the field there is always communication between the coaches and players. Don't get me wrong, I am not stating its the best communication but they are communicating.

If 94 was hurt (as the announcers on Sat stated) then how can there be a "miscommunication" between them? Way to important of a game, and no way there was not a discussion even before game day with the  statement... "can you go this week, and then its communicated DAILY between player, staff and trainers so as to have others in the mix to step in.  That is just a fact. As a former Army Infantry Officer, battle plans (like "game plans") usually change when the first shot is fired (even at the Army War College they teach us this), but lets make sure that when the game plan is drawn up everyone knows their assignments in their position for that day- and if they are not doing their job, they need to be moved out for someone else to have the opportunity! A prime example of that was the Sacred Heart game.  If the leadership of the coaching staff needs to be changed then that is for the AD to decide. But its still a game being played by "scholar-athletes" trying to receive a great education.

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Re: Stony Brook at New Hampshire
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2016, 02:11:27 pm »
Well, I have been watching this team for years, (and others) so I have seen the good bad and ugly of this team in every facet.  Every game there are some "bright spots # 2 finally had a nice game, and we have had some kids get CAA and FCS recognition. 

As to watching the game, I am fairly sure on the punt special teams we shut the returner from UNH down if not totally- so don't believe all of special teams was bad but KO's and lane assignments were not as good as they should be in a D1 program.

When the position coaches break down the film (as they always do-whether it was yesterday today or tomorrow) they will assess what worked and did not.   In my career I have spent enough time looking and breaking down film- so I will leave that up to the staff. When I attend the games, I look at it as a former player, and view what I see works and does not, and comment from my assessment of the game. Over the past couple of years I have some great discussions with 21's Dad, but they are just between he and I and sometimes its around frustration, but also its about the adjustments made and usually over a hot dog at half time.

When I can watch (and replay) a down or series of downs, I do it just to see what the "problem" was or the "success" was. I was told many many years ago, the game of football is very simple. You either do your job as a player or coach or you don't. And each of those outcomes has either a positive or negative effect. This also helped me in my infantry role- with of course a much more serious note on each situation. Pretty simple but then I am just an old foot soldier and football player. 

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Re: Stony Brook at New Hampshire
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2016, 02:38:55 pm »
Lets just end this topic. You need to then go and talk with SH (he's fairly accessible) and am sure will take any advice you offer. To you it appears to be only about #88 so that is what I would go with and your knowledge of the game.

BTW- I have no idea what you are writing about "spending time with the coaches this Summer". I actually have a full time job, and my 80 hours or so a week, don't allow me to the luxury to interface with coaches on the staff- nor would they want me to, but then that is the respect most of us a former players don't cross- and as a news flash our son IS on the team so I have a dog in the hunt- just not about barking about it.

Today, I happen to be taking a day off so thus my reply's to your posts.

If you bring so much coaching experience to the game- then by all means step right up and apply for a position at SBU (again SH surely would be more than happy to hear your thoughts on every aspect of the game) but then you'll need to bring some creds to the table. 33 LAST year did extremely well- but what does that have to do with THIS year?

Lastly, if that does not work go ahead and become an extension of the student newspaper where each week, you can Grade out each and every facet of the game like other local sportswriters do daily across the country. It might be a new great role for you. For me I am going to enjoy the rest of my day off.