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SBU VS Elon
« on: October 30, 2015, 03:07:53 pm »
This should be an interesting weekend....now that  the 2nd string RB is out for the season. The question is will they making the changes needed to win this game; use the assets that you have on the field & adjust you game plan. You cant expect a redshirt freshman RB to come in & win it for you; you are asking way to much.

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Re: SBU VS Elon
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2015, 05:43:43 pm »
lets get this done, I feel a win in us this weekend.

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2015, 07:09:55 pm »

Let's throw caution to the win & throw all kinds of S... at them.    Are you going up this week on the last 2 games.

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 11:38:20 am »
Although it doesn't seem to have been published most of anywhere, for those  unable to be at Lavalle today, the SBU-Elon game is apparently going to be televised on SNY (Optimum Ch. 60).  Best kept secret  :o :o :o

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2015, 04:44:13 pm »
Tough time at the Brook. Another disappointing loss today.

Time for some changes. Mr. Heilbron has some work to do bring excitement back to this program
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2015, 05:29:27 pm »
tough day.  only one real drive that had any success.  aside from yardage, the game is pretty boring to watch.  i know we have injuries but this team looks flat week in week out. 

on a brighter note.  the 7 yard outs to cal daniels work well.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2015, 06:15:29 pm »
Coach P should be fired right now.  If that was his way to shake things up and get the running game going, he failed miserably.  Carbone was horrible, four picks in the first half, throwing into double and triple coverage, and still P sends him out in the second half.  This is the first time he plays a single QB the entire game and he plays carbone.  Carbone can not throw the ball with any juice on it, and can't throw deep.  It's not his fault, but coaches were "raving" about him this summer.  After seeing this, I have to wonder why. 

What about your senior captain QB?  Coach P literally crapped on Bednarski by not playing him at all.  What a freaking insult.  No wonder this team has gone into a downward spiral when they play for a coach like this!!

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2015, 06:47:25 pm »
Heilbronn already canned the women's soccer coach.  Unless Priore wins out, he's gone.  This team has really regressed.

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2015, 07:19:35 pm »
I'm pretty sure that today was the worst game of SBU football I have ever seen in my 15 years of watching.

We botched the end of the first half by wasting a ton of time before calling a timeout after stopping them on third down.  Either because Chuck didn't realize the clock was running, or he didn't want to run a 2 minute drill.  As a result, 30 seconds  ran off the clock before he called a timeout (so we lost the time AND the timeout, which was pretty much the dumbest option available).

We botched the end of the 4Q.  Down 14, 5 minutes to go, and we still kept trying to establish the run.  The only passes we threw were within 7 yds of the line of scrimmage.

Chuck was on the sidelines, and for most of the game there were no players within 10 yards of him.  During timeouts, the coordinators spoke with the players, while he did virtually no communicating.  That is a REALLY bad sign that the team and the coach are basically done with each other.

The play-calling came from the sidelines (coordinators, not Chuck), with the coaches making sight-adjustments on each play.  The problem was that Elon didn't disguise ANYTHING (in fairness, they didn't need to).  I don't know what adjustments or reads they were making, since each play Elon ran a basic 4-3 defense with DB's all within 10 yds of the LOS.  We'd go to the line, the coaches would then check to one of three running plays (none of which were designed to stretch outside the TE), we'd get stopped, and the process would repeat.

There were a ton of dropped passes, and there was zero running game.  I don't know if ANY quarterback would be able to succeed in those circumstances.  He also made things worse by missing some reads and missing some throws.  Two of the interceptions were on the WR's (one was a drop that turned into a pick, one the WR just gave up on his route and gifted it to the DB).  One was a great catch by a DB, and one was entirely on Carbone.  Overall it was a poor game all around.

The star of the game for me?  One of SBU's athletic trainers.  Beverette banged up his ankle, and she got it taped up really nicely, and pretty quickly.

I'm intrigued to see what happens with attendance the next two games.  It was pretty bad today, and I wouldn't be shocked if it gets worse.  There couldn't have been more than 25 students at the game, and the rest of the stands were pretty empty.

Realistically, we could end up 2-9 on the season.  Maybe we can get Jim Gush to come back to SBU?  He's at Baylor now...
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2015, 07:46:49 pm »
Many of us left  right after the score went to 21-7.  No need to stay  they weren't going to catch up.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2015, 10:02:21 pm »
I'm pretty sure that today was the worst game of SBU football I have ever seen in my 15 years of watching.

We botched the end of the first half by wasting a ton of time before calling a timeout after stopping them on third down.  Either because Chuck didn't realize the clock was running, or he didn't want to run a 2 minute drill.  As a result, 30 seconds  ran off the clock before he called a timeout (so we lost the time AND the timeout, which was pretty much the dumbest option available).

We botched the end of the 4Q.  Down 14, 5 minutes to go, and we still kept trying to establish the run.  The only passes we threw were within 7 yds of the line of scrimmage.

Chuck was on the sidelines, and for most of the game there were no players within 10 yards of him.  During timeouts, the coordinators spoke with the players, while he did virtually no communicating.  That is a REALLY bad sign that the team and the coach are basically done with each other.

The play-calling came from the sidelines (coordinators, not Chuck), with the coaches making sight-adjustments on each play.  The problem was that Elon didn't disguise ANYTHING (in fairness, they didn't need to).  I don't know what adjustments or reads they were making, since each play Elon ran a basic 4-3 defense with DB's all within 10 yds of the LOS.  We'd go to the line, the coaches would then check to one of three running plays (none of which were designed to stretch outside the TE), we'd get stopped, and the process would repeat.

There were a ton of dropped passes, and there was zero running game.  I don't know if ANY quarterback would be able to succeed in those circumstances.  He also made things worse by missing some reads and missing some throws.  Two of the interceptions were on the WR's (one was a drop that turned into a pick, one the WR just gave up on his route and gifted it to the DB).  One was a great catch by a DB, and one was entirely on Carbone.  Overall it was a poor game all around.

The star of the game for me?  One of SBU's athletic trainers.  Beverette banged up his ankle, and she got it taped up really nicely, and pretty quickly.

I'm intrigued to see what happens with attendance the next two games.  It was pretty bad today, and I wouldn't be shocked if it gets worse.  There couldn't have been more than 25 students at the game, and the rest of the stands were pretty empty.

Realistically, we could end up 2-9 on the season.  Maybe we can get Jim Gush to come back to SBU?  He's at Baylor now...
I didnt want to say it on the board but a few already knew it. I said we were going to lose this game. The team have given up on coach P. They abandoned ship and the Captain lost all control of his crew.. I honestly want us to lose out so the decision by our AD is easy. Coach P should and most likely will be fired after this season, unless SB doesn't have the $ to buy out his remaining contract. Thanks to Jim Fiore!!!

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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2015, 01:06:14 pm »
I would tell SH to just take the Word document he prepared for the firing notice of the women's HC and do a "find" and "replace" with Coach P's name in it. One only needs to look at the overall team and see that nothing really is working. There are a lot of "cause" and effects in football, just as there is in life.

For instance, when you cant move the ball on offense then it puts pressure on special teams to always try and flip the field or pin them back, or on the D went we cannot execute on special teams. Or if our defense cannot stop a mid field drive and the opposing team can pin our offense back (just look at the facts and you'll see what I am writing about) we are constantly on our "heels" in these games. And then of course the penalties at all the wrong times-is another issue, or getting bet on the long ball with our DB's.

 In life this is akin to a crappy product that you cant sell, or when you do sell it- the customers only really bought it because the product due to the sales guy who sold you on it (classic case in recruiting in no matter what sport). Many of our kids were sold "software" that is not working and was written by software developers writing "mainframe" applications from the 70's where customers nowadays need to newer software applications.. Heck- lets go a "coaching platform" of CaaS (Coaching as a Service model) and bring in a new "coaching Platform" of younger guys in the mix (or at least guys who have "customer references").

Here's an idea. Whether you use CB, JC or PI as QB, stop the goofy setting up and then trying to look over and change the play calling. Just friggin call the play in the huddle- and if you MUST make adjustments let the QB make it and not some clown up in the press box or on the sidelines. You are not fooling ANYONE.

I don't to totally want to beat up the kids and if any of you who actually played the game at the highest level, you will know its NEVER fun losing and clearly not 5 in a row; especially if you come from a program that normally has a lot of "W's.

Watching films on Sunday or Monday and getting chewed out by the coaches (who are calling the plays) is a poor example of leadership. BUT- as I said last week, any pride these kids should have comes from THEIR own pride. As a player it was always up to ME to perform at my best. And while I won't cast a wide net as others, clearly there are some who have mentally quit. For the captain to have quit (if that is the true case) then he should be held accountable to himself for his actions- but to me is a lack of leadership when you are chosen to wear that "C". And you finish the contest.. no matter what. That is why you are "chosen" as the Captain.

And lastly, as the software product we have delivered to CAA these past few years, it is clearly a bunch of code- that needs to be re-written and the hardware we are running needs a SERIOUS upgrade. And as in life our kids have to come to the realization that the "education" they are getting on the football field will serve them much better in life. The real question is does SH see him as a mainframe guy in a dying industry or as a person who sees himself as a "company" like many in need of "change management" to gain more customers (our fans and recruits)

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2015, 03:23:07 pm »
We don't run a 2 minute offense because we don't have one.  I swear that's true.  We tried to run deep routes an Carbone threw four picks.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2015, 03:34:27 pm »
Here's why there is no chemistry on this team, just look at how P has treated his four senior captains this season.  Captain 1, our best D player, gets in a scuffle with a team mate and P yanks his captain badge before the season starts.  Captain 2 gets pissed off and quits when P yanks him as a starter and puts a RS frosh in his place.  Captain 3, our senior QB is never given a chance to play an entire game and us instead humiliated by the QB shuffle.  Captain 4, a warrior, plays with two torn labrum a the entire season.  Seems unlikely to me that a team would rally around a coach that jerks around his captain leadership like that.

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2015, 06:21:44 pm »
In my opinion, the players are the least to blame for the failures of the team.

Just a thought, have we run a screen pass all season?  Wheel route?  Any type of flair route from the backfield?  As of yesterday, the only RB who caught a pass was Fredericks (1 catch...)  How about easing pressure that way? 

Another thing we didn't see was any type of designed deep-shot.  And by that, I mean a basic 9-route where Carbone takes a seven step drop then chucks it as deep as possible in the center of the field.  We had a few sideline routes, but nothing more than 15-20 yds out.

Since we have no real "big play" threat, no running game (on the season, we average 3.0 yds per carry), no passing game (50% completion, 158 yds per game). and no real offensive game plan, why not try some of these concepts that every other team uses?
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