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SBU & Howard Game
« on: November 08, 2015, 10:50:07 am »
Good things i saw from the game;

Full Back was a big help in the game #40

I thought the Offence ran much better w Connor in the game

Things i think if we change could be effective;  When the Ol does a reach block left; have the LOT cut back right w the running back. .....The OT then can cap the OL or ML & we should pick of significant yardage.....The who D goes left except the S OLB.

Punter needs to start lifting no leg.....

Love the Blitz package in the game; we put alot of pressure on the passing game. We need tp dp this more often; the D was flying......

When you get into a funk it can become cronic & some of the guys mentioned this; i hop they are fired up to finish the season strong.

It's about pride of a player & i am hopeful the senior players want to go down fighting & trying to play there best ball......

Maybe we can have live music after the Albany game to draw a great crowd.........do not like seeing the stadium so empty....

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Re: SBU & Howard Game
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2015, 12:41:26 pm »
Hats  off to a few players especially  Liotine who per Newsday is a walk on no scholarship player.  Just have to keep in mind that Howard was not a power and not much worse of than us.

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2015, 01:02:06 pm »
Hats  off to a few players especially  Liotine who per Newsday is a walk on no scholarship player.  Just have to keep in mind that Howard was not a power and not much worse of than us.
Howard loses games by an average of 50 points per game this season and we could barely muster 14 points....That's hideous.. I felt like i was watching a JV game. Howard players are very small and unskilled. .We could lose the next 2 games...Albany beat Delaware and gave Richmond a run for their money. Rhode Island almost beat UNH this year.   

Our team is clearly thinking about Winter Recess, they are done for the year. You could see it on the sideline.. It was nice to finally see Josh Valentine on Defense in the 4th Q.He was being double teamed and i think he is going to be a beast next year..

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2015, 03:02:11 pm »
I hope these players keep fighting to the end & see what happens to the team in coaching on the off season...some changes do need to be happen. They get back there #1 WR & RB next year that helps alot. This team will need talented big WR with good route running skills & the OL should be better next year with several players coming back as starters.

Like to see Connor back at TE could be a huge match up issue w the LB & Safety; i am not big on Carbone at this point he has alot of issue to resolve in his passing game.

We will need another big stud at the DE position next year...

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2015, 03:19:20 pm »
Ugly game.  At the end of the first quarter, we were losing 3-0, despite Howard having -11 yds of offense.  That's something I don't think i've ever seen before.

During an early punt return, we had only 9 guys on the field.  Somebody noticed, but they only ran ONE dude ran onto the field.

Stadium was definitely empty. We maybe had 25 students there. 

I had the parents of the Howard freshman RB sitting behind me.  They expected a total blowout, at one point they asked the people around them if this is how they play in the CAA (not as jerks, it was a sincere question, they were honestly shocked it was close).

12 sacks, held the opponent to 109 yards, we had 212 yards rushing, and yet still barely squeaked out a win.

This season is over.  URI and Albany are going to be rough to watch.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2015, 04:21:46 pm »
Basketball season starts on 11/14.

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2015, 04:45:50 pm »
Basketball season starts on 11/14.
Thank god!!

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2015, 05:39:42 pm »
When things are at there worst  i try to find good; i am hopeful that the players can look within themself & play for pride to finish this year. I will be there through the end even though i see many issue with the position these players were put in.

We had many injuries this year but you half to have depth within the program & it was very clear we did not.  You also need to change your game plan based on the talent on the field & SB did not do a very good job at that.

You cannot stick to a game that is not effective with the players you have left on the field; Howard was a very bad team & we still we could not throw the ball. If this program is going to be effective you half to have a balance attack on offence or good teams will key on the running game.

I have heard things that make me very unsure about next year; i hope they get resolved. It was sad to see the parking lot so empty this past weekend; there was so much promise in this years team.

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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2015, 05:50:05 pm »
The only good things I got out of watching the game were these.

It was a "w" I can only imagine what some of the bloggers here would say if we lost to Howard and as others have stated was not too far off.
Liotine did a great job and hats off to him.
The OL is an experiment that thankfully (and shortly) will come to an end very soon. Whether we change the OL or just bring back a stacked backfield the OL is going to be an issue for us. Maybe we can bring in a true OL line coach (or maybe they can use DDMD's coaching expertise) I am sure he knows where to apply for the job!

As to the other bloggers I am sure everyone read where Coach P said "Im just really happy for Stony Brook in general and for the kids." This kind of tells me that using Stony Brook and not "we" or "our program", so the good news is he has resigned that something is coming to an end and I think even he will be happy to turn the page.

Its a shame that on third and fourth and one deep in the red zone our OL cant get us one yard, and worse that P has no confidence in the kicker (and this is at least the fourth time we did not kick a FG within range) but again the good news is there are only two games left.

I was really happy to see that our blitz "packages" worked great against a really poor lower level team so next year when we play another 1-7 team our D will do so well against a really under qualified teams. Too bad they could not show up in the bigger CAA games that we are in.

I am not sure about the one blogger who is writing about the punter with no leg- but when we see them in game warm-ups he has been hitting them across the track and consistently.  One of the parents just said they also heard he lost a good friend of his in a car accident, and has been punting all season with a bad L3 in his back- so clearly the no leg" comment is just crazy if one ever looks at warmups and sees what the teams are doing. And yes, I watch the KO guy who still cant drive a ball into the end zone (hmmm. I guess he might need to get in the weight room as well)
Lastly, as others have stated the good news is that BB is just around the corner!

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2015, 06:43:10 pm »
The "punter has no leg" comment is probably because the punter had 3 punts of under 30 yards yesterday, and a long of 35.  Howard wasn't able to return any of them, but that is more an indictment of the punts than showing their effectiveness.  Those stats are just not good enough to cut it at this level.

Unfortunately, warmups don't count for anything.  Kickers operate under pressure.  The mental component is MASSIVE.  Doing it in warmups means absolutely nothing.

I know i'm coming across harsh, but that is mainly because I'm certain Nolan is injured and it seriously impacting his ability.  They should be shutting him down.  We have 4 other kickers/punters on the roster, lets give them some run, and let the kid come back healthy next season (or possibly even in the last game).  The only thing he's learning right now is that he's hurting the team.  And that is definitely not fair to him.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2015, 08:01:01 pm »
Nothing harsh about your comments except that one game does not make a season. If that was the case. EVERYONE on the team would need to be replaced WEEKLY!

I know each week the kids compete for the starting jobs- so if the back=ups cannot beat a starter out, then what's that saying about he backups? The only other punter James W seems to be a pretty good punter when I see him in warm-ups- but again warm-ups are just warm-ups. My point is the "no leg" comment is NOT tied to a lack of lifting in the weight room.
So yes they should put  James in  this weekend or whomever can help us out.  The other two kickers are not even close to punt.

I just checked the CAA website and he has over 2/3 of his punts as FC's and 1/3 inside the 20 on 51 punts in 8 games and with a total of 16 yards total punting yards returned for 0.3 yards which is the lowest in the CAA but also SB is ranked 10 in Net yards per punt so that is not good. SBU has punted 51 times with Elon at 65 with one more game in hand, and if you include the average punts (almost  7 a game)  we would be the second highest in the league but we are tied for fourth. . The CAA stats for where our offense is ranked (11th-with one less game in hand) also means that as to your point about the level we are at- we should not be too happy with those stats, which seems like each week we don't improve upon unless we play a lower level team.

If I remember Luke Allen had a boatload of punts last year- so this seems to be once again tied to the lack of offense/putting points on the board and a lack of allowing our kicker to take the FG instead of punting the ball from 30 yard line like we have done more than one occasion. But before that we had the transfer kicker/punter Nick who was very good.

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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2015, 09:09:23 pm »
If a punter or kicker is injured  he should not be out there; he needs to heal. The OL only had 1 player who had any starting time last year & he has been playing w a bad  shoulder all season. SBU had one other player who  had very little playing time. OL was patch work & they threw kids in there who never played  like  Connor D; he a TE & DE who has never played at the  OT position. The starting RB Badell makes his read & hits the whole; the line was designed for that.

When Badell went down it left  the back up RB; and he is  having a hard time doing that if you Look at the game against NH & you will see what i mean.

Reach blocking only works when everyone makes there block; but very few plays does the running back cut back against the grain. I notice it a lot during game; the outside edge is open.

I would have the FB or OT cut  back against the motion going left and help w block edge on the right to seal the OLB or DB; could be a  big play. This was the 1st game they put the FB in the back field #40; & it help with the inside run.

I also notice when the 2 TE set is in the QB has much more time to thow the ball.....

SBU runs the ball 70% of the time; if youu can shut down the running game you have a good chance of beating SBU.

 It is to easy for teams to plan against SBU.

I think or D has played well but they make to many penalties at key times on the field.

Stats don't lie; you can't put blame on the players if the coaching staff doesn;t put them in the right position to win. I think the play calling has been very bad the season & they do not spread the ball out enough.

I did heat that SBU did hire a OL coach.

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2015, 09:37:36 pm »
NY.....

 you stated he lost a good friend of his in a car accident, and has been punting all season with a bad L3 in his back.

 I am very sorry to hear about his friend & that is a very difficult thing to deal with while trying to deal with school & football.

We lost my son brother a few years back & it was a difficult time.

If the punter has an issue with his L3 they should allow him to Rehab this & let it get better; i hope this is something that can be resolved iin the off season. Having issue with your back is the worst......

i wish these things were more explained about team inuries; i though he had more distance at the begining of the year.

i also think switching the QB all the time my screws w timing wof the play & line; they seem not to have any sync.


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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2015, 10:03:16 am »
#71 and #55 started just about every game on the OL last year as redshirt freshmen.

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2015, 02:10:12 pm »
I was told that #71 started & that 55# was a back up.....