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« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2017, 01:58:58 pm »
Well either way if Priore fails to adapt to the modern college game, I'm fully confident that he will be shown the door post-haste. With all the capital investments coming to the university (indoor training facility etc), I am fully confident that we can make a splashy hire. IMHO at the FCS level its definitely one of the better jobs if it becomes available- I think the gap between the FCS and FBS-non Power 5 conferences is not that big anymore which helps our case.

I think Priore needs to go but, again, I'd love to be wrong. The running game can absolutely exist in the college game but this isn't the NFL chief- lining up in an I-formation and running up the gut 3 straight plays isn't going to win games in the CAA. In many ways, being in the Big South got Priore to this point- he got easy wins against a lot of bad teams.

I agree completely Wolfie. Priore had the perfect storm of Hofstra shutting down their program at the right time along with being in the Big South where we could beat up on schools with weak programs like Presbyterian, Gardner Webb, and VMI. Now that we're playing teams in the CAA that rival our talent, he's struggling. It's a fight every week in this conference and Chuck can't handle that.

Nothing wrong with running the ball at all, I'm actually glad we run it a lot. The problem arises when that's all you can do. We NEED a QB and I don't care how we get one. There's got to be a halfway decent kid riding the bench somewhere at an FBS school who'd be willing to come play for us.

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« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2017, 07:42:44 pm »
I am generally of the opinion that Coach P sooner or later is going to be on his way out, and like others are somewhat dismayed by the way our program is going. But, if you want to know what is really pissing me off is this "well we have 3 months till BB season". WOW! First off I am guessing many of you don't remember the DISMAL seasons the BB teams had (several years back in 2006-2009 if I remember we were LAST on SEVERAL occasions) and the NCAA even placed the program on violation because of the Low APR. But we did have a great seasons in 2015-16 and second place last year before getting blown out (by the way we are also 0-3 in CBI Play) but am guessing the BB history is lost on some of you.

As a parent of a current football player (yes I might have a bit of a soft shell) I have been waiting for ONE of you so called fans to even congratulate Timon Parris on his preseason First Team All American status or the All Conference guys of Stacy Bedell, Shayne Lawless. Nope that would be too easy wouldn't it? The football team APR is only about 50 points higher than others, and for the past several years we have had records on the Academic Honors list, but lets make sure we continue on the rant to "the start of BB season" while trashing football.

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« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2017, 08:05:19 pm »
Oh I don't think anybody here is knocking the players- there is a ton of talent all over this team. Calling people here "so called fans" is a bit disingenuous. I don't think anybody here is rooting against this team- I think what is clear is that the people around Priore have had a keen eye for talent. They've done a great job on the transfers market specifically getting LI players back here like Bedell. Timon Paris has been a great story without a doubt- great to see a local kid develop into a nationally recognized talent. The defense top to bottom has been outstanding despite being asked to win games by itself for basically the last three years. These kids work their tails off which is great.

I've been a season ticket holder for the last 3+ years and have followed the team closely for much longer (and donated a good share of money to the athletics department)- the program has definitely hit a plateau since coming to the CAA. The football program's success is huge for the university long term so I'm pulling for them obviously.
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« Reply #78 on: August 13, 2017, 08:37:48 pm »
OK- how about the daily "carbone" deluge? My point was and STILL is, that if you cant leave off the "don't worry BB season is in about 3 months", then these ARE so-called fans in making this statement. It shows a real lack of class and true support. If you cant see that, then I don't know what else to write.

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« Reply #79 on: August 13, 2017, 10:21:22 pm »
NYSOM, I couldn't agree more with what you said. It is way to easy to keep pointing out negatives. There are talented kids on this team but you never hear about them on this site. The program lands a good QB commit last week and all you heard was that he will change his mind and go somewhere else, instead of saying nice pick up. Graduation rate and academic rating count when u are judging a program and that is one of the reasons the coach is still here. No talk about Beverette or others on defense just the same played out comments about the coach. I really dont know why some of these guys go to games. And a few have made me not want to sit in my seats. Would love to know how many actually played the game. At least someone else finally said something. Again its Stony Brook not Ohio State, Urban Meyer is not coming in to save the day.

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« Reply #80 on: August 13, 2017, 11:14:30 pm »
I'm not exactly sure what the huge fuss is about. It is very easy to focus on the few negatives around this program compared to the many positives, that's just human nature. It is however very hard to talk about this year's team while ignoring the elephant in the room that we could very easily finish 3-8 or 4-7. We just lost our top notch DC, and our offense has struggled to put points on the board these past four seasons. There's reason for concern. You can't just ignore these things when you're trying to build a fanbase, and see the program ascend to bigger, better things.

Athletics is a huge source of publicity for the school. It is in the interest of us all that the athletic teams win as many games as possible. Pointing this out doesn't mean we aren't fans of the athletic programs. We're passionate about the direction the program is heading because we care. If I didn't give a hoot about how this program was doing, I wouldn't watch games, wouldn't donate, and I certainly wouldn't be talking about the program on a forum like this one. It's when nobody is saying anything about your program that you have to sound the alarm bells.  There's nothing wrong with expecting more from your coaches and programs.
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« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2017, 05:26:35 am »
I'm not exactly sure what the huge fuss is about. It is very easy to focus on the few negatives around this program compared to the many positives, that's just human nature. It is however very hard to talk about this year's team while ignoring the elephant in the room that we could very easily finish 3-8 or 4-7. We just lost our top notch DC, and our offense has struggled to put points on the board these past four seasons. There's reason for concern. You can't just ignore these things when you're trying to build a fanbase, and see the program ascend to bigger, better things.

Athletics is a huge source of publicity for the school. It is in the interest of us all that the athletic teams win as many games as possible. Pointing this out doesn't mean we aren't fans of the athletic programs. We're passionate about the direction the program is heading because we care. If I didn't give a hoot about how this program was doing, I wouldn't watch games, wouldn't donate, and I certainly wouldn't be talking about the program on a forum like this one. It's when nobody is saying anything about your program that you have to sound the alarm bells.  There's nothing wrong with expecting more from your coaches and programs.

Well said VA_Seawolf.... If people didnt care about the health of the athletic program you wold be hearing crickets instead of comments, either good or bad.. Like you, I am a long time season ticket holder and donate a good amount of $$ to the program and would love nothing more to see SB football win a national title or just make the playoffs every year, like UNH does..

Crissy, who constantly bashes me for being outspoken, but thats ok because that is his right to do so, is correct about not giving some of the players accolades for their hard work off the field and into the classrooms.. Coach P should definitely get the credit for that, however I go to the games to watch them play football out on the field, not in the classrooms so my love is really for SB athletics not so much SB academics, even though it should be academic first, athletics second.. I am a fan of all sports and pay to watch them play and compete against other college kids. That is why i attend games..Kudos to the athletes that do extremely well in the classrooms and I hope they all make a bundle of $$$ when they graduate from SB so they can give back to the institution that gave them a free education or even partially free education..
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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2017, 08:14:21 am »
Read this.... Rutgers has an attendance problem like we do and thats because they dont win games. Read what some players say about that..

http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2017/08/14/rutgers-football-fans-show-up-season/562934001/

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« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2017, 08:57:38 am »
Lets try this circular discussion ONE MORE time. First, when did I state it was a big fuss? Second, you stated no one calls out the players and then I wrote one name "carbone" and then you back pedal, and while I don't have time to simply go back and count the negative over positive comments (which I am willing to bet you are probably in the negative 10 to 1 range) I stated a SIMPLE request, and then backed it up with facts from the "3 months to BB season" crowd!

You are a season ticket holder! Great. Our son is on full scholarship so we are not. But then of course we donate to the Athletics program, and the Up Lifting Athletes, and both my wife's company and mine MATCH dollar for dollar. But it seems that you are stating you give $$ so that somehow provides the cover to "BB season is only three months away" crowd? Don't buy it, and is still a classless way to enter into a discussion.

But, I am sure you know who Dexter Bailey is (because he certainly knows my wife and I), so we'll just leave that one alone, when it comes do giving $$ to the school.

Also, as a former D1 football player, our coach told us "you are representing the University in all matters of the school, but make no mistake about it. You are all here as STUDENT Athletes, and when you walk on graduation, it won't be with your helmet, pads and football cleats.

As to the article on Rutgers, yes I read it and while as a former athlete who played in a stadium (back then) of packed 60,000 seats our stadium on Sat was the ONLY game in town and unlike SBU we were nearly 2 hours away (by train) to see an NFL game and was interesting that the article addressed the "pro fan base" of the area. Maybe as some have suggested, they have too many "asians" and as we all know they don't come to the games.

Finally the student athlete on scholarship today also takes home a part of the gate, so no doubt there is some "marketing" going on by the Rutgers players- but then again, maybe their fans if seeing the program continue to struggle in the Big 10 surely will be chanting.... "only 3 more months to BB season". 

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« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2017, 10:13:33 am »
I am generally of the opinion that Coach P sooner or later is going to be on his way out, and like others are somewhat dismayed by the way our program is going. But, if you want to know what is really pissing me off is this "well we have 3 months till BB season". WOW! First off I am guessing many of you don't remember the DISMAL seasons the BB teams had (several years back in 2006-2009 if I remember we were LAST on SEVERAL occasions) and the NCAA even placed the program on violation because of the Low APR. But we did have a great seasons in 2015-16 and second place last year before getting blown out (by the way we are also 0-3 in CBI Play) but am guessing the BB history is lost on some of you.

As a parent of a current football player (yes I might have a bit of a soft shell) I have been waiting for ONE of you so called fans to even congratulate Timon Parris on his preseason First Team All American status or the All Conference guys of Stacy Bedell, Shayne Lawless. Nope that would be too easy wouldn't it? The football team APR is only about 50 points higher than others, and for the past several years we have had records on the Academic Honors list, but lets make sure we continue on the rant to "the start of BB season" while trashing football.
Preseason awards are the dumbest things ever created. These awards were only created to give media attention to the Conference.
How do you receive an award for do nothing?
As always, a bad idea for parents to look at message boards.
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« Reply #85 on: August 14, 2017, 10:19:18 am »
OK- how about the daily "carbone" deluge? My point was and STILL is, that if you cant leave off the "don't worry BB season is in about 3 months", then these ARE so-called fans in making this statement. It shows a real lack of class and true support. If you cant see that, then I don't know what else to write.
You do know that the comment of 3 more months until basketball was a joke!  It was to keep Hammer from having a heart attack.
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« Reply #86 on: August 14, 2017, 10:42:20 am »
everyone please relax... we are all SB fans, and we all want the program to win, and i think you have to approach this board understanding that we might not all agree on everything.

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on to rutgers.  because of "regional" similarities, they struggle with a lot of the same issues we do.  student disaffection, culture, their upbringing with/out the sport, distractions, academic burdens, etc.

in this vein, we then have a very similar atmosphere to schools like: st johns, fairfield, hofstra, sacred heart, columbia, monmouth, montclair state, etc whether we like it or not.  sure they arent our peers from an academic, student body, athletics, or research perspective.  but we face the same "regional" issues. 

winning brings fans yes but can anyone here recall some winning seasons where we failed to break 40k attendance?

what am i saying is- winning is only part of the equation.  its much harder to get 10k fans to LaValle when there isnt anyone on campus.  keep them on, and its a bit easier, though still challenging.

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« Reply #87 on: August 14, 2017, 11:19:17 am »
LaxNation. Sorry, but you are wrong on several fronts. As to the Preseason awards for "doing nothing" clearly you have no idea of how it works or why. Its based on the previous year and expectations of the current year and the group of individuals in each position, but again lets focus on the negative aspects of giving players shout outs for "doing nothing".
As a fact- the NFL and NFL combine use these preseason shout outs for the scouts to come out before the season (just like we had several last week here) since they have a limited budget to do so during OFA, and more importantly how the NFL scouts give out their draft grades to determine where a player might be selected for next year. (again just like last week's visits)

 As to parents on message boards being a bad idea, I think the worse idea is having all knowing posters who probably never played the game give us their "Insight" and game by game "analysis" from the chair they sit in shouting out their coaching advice which they normally don't have any experience in. I enjoy watching the games and reading the comments, because it shows just how little these "fans" know about the game so as a former player and parent can offer something those who are not in my category. A "balance" to the comments-which looks like some don't like being called out on.

Finally yes it was terrible what happened to Josh Mileto and hopefully his organ donations will help out another family, but I certainly don't need a lesson in perspectives with all of my friends who have suffered from CTE's and advanced dementia as we watch our son play. No doubt, I am in the minority here- but then again, I am probably in the minority of those who started and played D1 football on this board. My last post on this!

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« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2017, 12:11:16 pm »
LaxNation. Sorry, but you are wrong on several fronts. As to the Preseason awards for "doing nothing" clearly you have no idea of how it works or why. Its based on the previous year and expectations of the current year and the group of individuals in each position, but again lets focus on the negative aspects of giving players shout outs for "doing nothing".
As a fact- the NFL and NFL combine use these preseason shout outs for the scouts to come out before the season (just like we had several last week here) since they have a limited budget to do so during OFA, and more importantly how the NFL scouts give out their draft grades to determine where a player might be selected for next year. (again just like last week's visits)

 As to parents on message boards being a bad idea, I think the worse idea is having all knowing posters who probably never played the game give us their "Insight" and game by game "analysis" from the chair they sit in shouting out their coaching advice which they normally don't have any experience in. I enjoy watching the games and reading the comments, because it shows just how little these "fans" know about the game so as a former player and parent can offer something those who are not in my category. A "balance" to the comments-which looks like some don't like being called out on.

Finally yes it was terrible what happened to Josh Mileto and hopefully his organ donations will help out another family, but I certainly don't need a lesson in perspectives with all of my friends who have suffered from CTE's and advanced dementia as we watch our son play. No doubt, I am in the minority here- but then again, I am probably in the minority of those who started and played D1 football on this board. My last post on this!
Players, teams, and coaches all should start with a clean state when a new season begins. I am just not a big fan preseason awards. If an NFL scout wants to know how good the kid was/is just just looking at the post season awards from the previous season.
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« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2017, 02:48:55 pm »
I am generally of the opinion that Coach P sooner or later is going to be on his way out, and like others are somewhat dismayed by the way our program is going. But, if you want to know what is really pissing me off is this "well we have 3 months till BB season". WOW! First off I am guessing many of you don't remember the DISMAL seasons the BB teams had (several years back in 2006-2009 if I remember we were LAST on SEVERAL occasions) and the NCAA even placed the program on violation because of the Low APR. But we did have a great seasons in 2015-16 and second place last year before getting blown out (by the way we are also 0-3 in CBI Play) but am guessing the BB history is lost on some of you.

As a parent of a current football player (yes I might have a bit of a soft shell) I have been waiting for ONE of you so called fans to even congratulate Timon Parris on his preseason First Team All American status or the All Conference guys of Stacy Bedell, Shayne Lawless. Nope that would be too easy wouldn't it? The football team APR is only about 50 points higher than others, and for the past several years we have had records on the Academic Honors list, but lets make sure we continue on the rant to "the start of BB season" while trashing football.


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