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« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2018, 02:51:33 am »
What did Gilzene (sp?) do to get ejected? He was nowhere near the QB when the ball was thrown and ESPN did not replay it.

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« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2018, 07:34:47 am »
Can anyone verify what happen with coach P shoving one of the O lineman. I missed that part.

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« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2018, 08:23:52 am »
I have missed of the game. the days prior to thanksgiving day brought us a terrible family tragedy.

I have now tuned in to watch with the hope of bringing a bit of normalcy back to my life

Sorry you had to suffer a family tragedy.  Some things are more important than sports. 

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« Reply #78 on: November 25, 2018, 08:30:11 am »
Can anyone verify what happen with coach P shoving one of the O lineman. I missed that part.
It wasnít clear but I had the impression Priore shoved Vasquez(?) because he was going on the field when there were already 11 players. I could be wrong so just filling in the blank. It was pretty physical which is why the announcer suggested the coach is falling apart just like his team.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #79 on: November 25, 2018, 08:50:34 am »
It wasnít a lack of passing.  They threw 44 times.  They had over 400 yards total offense.  They just didnít execute well.

Itís never been a lack of passing.  Carbone averaged 23 pass attempts per game over his career.  SB throws.  They just donít do it well.

It was the 4 turnovers that cost them the game. SEMO took care of the ball.  SB didnít.  You canít cough it up 4 times and win, especially when the other team doesnít turn it over. 


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« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2018, 04:33:09 pm »
It wasnít a lack of passing.  They threw 44 times.  They had over 400 yards total offense.  They just didnít execute well.

Itís never been a lack of passing.  Carbone averaged 23 pass attempts per game over his career.  SB throws.  They just donít do it well.

It was the 4 turnovers that cost them the game. SEMO took care of the ball.  SB didnít.  You canít cough it up 4 times and win, especially when the other team doesnít turn it over.

As much as arm strength/accuracy, his lack of foot speed was glaring this year. SE Missouri's QB was not  greased lightening...but had  decent speed and that absolutely killed us 3rd quarter.
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« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2018, 05:16:44 pm »
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance.

I cant stand this man. Time to have a talk with the big boss about his contract extension.

I'm torn on this....I agree there are many games where I scratch my head at some of the game plans or in game calls, and I admit I have no inside information on what his players think of him...but at the college level, and especially the FCS level, recruiting (including attracting big name transfers) is almost as important as the X's and O's. I feel every year SBU puts a ton of talent on the field....even if we can legitimately say another coach would have executed better, or had a team more fired up to play, can we be sure that another coach would have been capable of putting the same caliber team on the field?
Not sure the numbers support Prioreís recruiting ability. This season there are more than 150 players from 71 FCS schools on NFL rosters. We know how many are from SB. So either heís not good at recruiting or once he gets top recruits here, he doesnít develop them.

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« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2018, 07:50:20 pm »
for what its worth. Our son played his last game yesterday and its been a wild 5 years.  Sadly, I am no longer a Coach P fan and aside from some of his play calling I believe that many of the players don't have the respect that I did when I played. I have not polled anyone, but you can see it on the sidelines. As the fan forum continues forward I hope that you spend the time looking at the WHOLE game when it's won and lost, and the cause and effect of not just the game but the personnel in game situations that can kill a team.

Yes, the TO's killed us and yes the 28 points were tough to swallow sitting there in the stands, and then the four major penalties (which we had been managing to NOT get- and then we did)  But, one thing that's burn my a$$ over this year is #5 our punt returner (and even most of the others in the past).

For instance yesterday he placed us in POOR field position on at least 4 punts where he would not come up and challenge the punt or just let it go, and the one where the punt went of the foot of our guy on another short punt he would not get under.

Good luck in the future to all of whose sons' are still playing, and hope they have the long standing relationships with their teammates as our son did.
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« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2018, 08:52:55 pm »
Our returner #5/WR isnt the best for sure . He has let more balls go  for loss than he actually grabbed and return .  I think  he is gun shy back there

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« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2018, 05:09:02 am »
for what its worth. Our son played his last game yesterday and its been a wild 5 years.  Sadly, I am no longer a Coach P fan and aside from some of his play calling I believe that many of the players don't have the respect that I did when I played. I have not polled anyone, but you can see it on the sidelines. As the fan forum continues forward I hope that you spend the time looking at the WHOLE game when it's won and lost, and the cause and effect of not just the game but the personnel in game situations that can kill a team.

Yes, the TO's killed us and yes the 28 points were tough to swallow sitting there in the stands, and then the four major penalties (which we had been managing to NOT get- and then we did)  But, one thing that's burn my a$$ over this year is #5 our punt returner (and even most of the others in the past).

For instance yesterday he placed us in POOR field position on at least 4 punts where he would not come up and challenge the punt or just let it go, and the one where the punt went of the foot of our guy on another short punt he would not get under.

Good luck in the future to all of whose sons' are still playing, and hope they have the long standing relationships with their teammates as our son did.

I know how you feel and I'm quite sure your son feels the same way about coach P. I have had many conversations with former players and their parents about this topic and I must say, the majority of players all feel the same.

For SH to give coach P a new contract in the middle of the season that runs through 2022 is very alarming and concerning to me and it should be for others, as well.
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2018, 05:16:50 am »
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance.

I cant stand this man. Time to have a talk with the big boss about his contract extension.

I'm torn on this....I agree there are many games where I scratch my head at some of the game plans or in game calls, and I admit I have no inside information on what his players think of him...but at the college level, and especially the FCS level, recruiting (including attracting big name transfers) is almost as important as the X's and O's. I feel every year SBU puts a ton of talent on the field....even if we can legitimately say another coach would have executed better, or had a team more fired up to play, can we be sure that another coach would have been capable of putting the same caliber team on the field?
Not sure the numbers support Prioreís recruiting ability. This season there are more than 150 players from 71 FCS schools on NFL rosters. We know how many are from SB. So either heís not good at recruiting or once he gets top recruits here, he doesnít develop them.

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.

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« Reply #86 on: November 26, 2018, 08:32:33 am »
A couple of thoughts about Coach P

150 FCS players in the NFL however most of those players began their college careers in the FBS and than transferred to FCS schools

What coach are you getting to hire to run this program because no FBS assistant is coming who has aspirations, instead they will go to another FBS program and move up that way so if SBU wants to go in another direction they should go after a top assistant in the FCS.

Recruiting you will only have to wait till the Spring because the last 2 classes will fully be on display and you will see if our recruits are any good or not

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« Reply #87 on: November 26, 2018, 10:35:13 am »
A couple of thoughts about Coach P

150 FCS players in the NFL however most of those players began their college careers in the FBS and than transferred to FCS schools

What coach are you getting to hire to run this program because no FBS assistant is coming who has aspirations, instead they will go to another FBS program and move up that way so if SBU wants to go in another direction they should go after a top assistant in the FCS.

Recruiting you will only have to wait till the Spring because the last 2 classes will fully be on display and you will see if our recruits are any good or not

True, but no sense talking about this topic anymore. SB locked him in for 4 more years so, he's staying put..

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« Reply #88 on: November 26, 2018, 10:42:59 am »
Yep. Thankfully his position coach (who really recruited him) was at least more positive.  With Coach P- you get what you get. He's not ever going to change and no doubt every kid (and their parents now this by now). As to SH I have to believe that in his database and discussions with other AD's they know whats out there and who's available or not and for how much.

So he came up with the contract extension based on what I think was not just the mediocre record but what's out there (IMHO) and who's in the hopper for talent. I believe SH did in fact look around- he's too smart not to. As many of us know, we keep on telling kids, don't pick the school for the Coach- pick it for what you want to do from a study/work effort when you hang up the cleats.

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« Reply #89 on: November 26, 2018, 01:41:51 pm »

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.

Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.