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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #90 on: November 26, 2018, 02:36:05 pm »

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.

Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.

My thoughts exactly.  Why he wasn't chosen to supersede coach P is a mystery.  Obviously, coach P has a strong hold on this Athletic dept. As far as getting Hemphill back to SB. Forget it. He went form a safeties coach to Defensive coordinator.  That's huge in the FBS and his ceiling is endless.  Dont be shocked to see him as the HC at some Power 5 team in the near future.  He helped bring Wake Forest out from the doldrums to being an contender in the ACC coastal conference. 

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #91 on: November 26, 2018, 04:16:42 pm »

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.

Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.

My thoughts exactly.  Why he wasn't chosen to supersede coach P is a mystery.  Obviously, coach P has a strong hold on this Athletic dept. As far as getting Hemphill back to SB. Forget it. He went form a safeties coach to Defensive coordinator.  That's huge in the FBS and his ceiling is endless.  Dont be shocked to see him as the HC at some Power 5 team in the near future.  He helped bring Wake Forest out from the doldrums to being an contender in the ACC coastal conference.

Just heard the news myself:

https://247sports.com/college/wake-forest/Article/Wake-Forest-Football-coach-Dave-Clawson-promotes-Lyle-Hemphill-Dave-Cohen-to-lead-defense--125314135/

Not surprised at all. The guy was incredible as a DC and I would have loved to see us give him a shot as a head coach. Zero doubt he'll get a P5 head coaching job soon. Not all good coordinators make good head coaches, but I'd have loved to give him a chance. Oh well.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #92 on: November 26, 2018, 04:25:47 pm »
Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .  Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass  once in awhile.  Scary offense.
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« Reply #93 on: November 26, 2018, 05:44:02 pm »
Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .  Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass  once in awhile.  Scary offense.
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« Reply #94 on: November 26, 2018, 07:26:53 pm »
Saw where they just named the captains. The only "head scratcher" to me is Isiah White and not because he's not a good ball player- but because he was academically ineligible all season and to "reward" him a "C" on his chest just stinks for the others who played all year. Gotta be some other seniors instead, but the players pick them so...

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #95 on: November 26, 2018, 07:47:10 pm »
Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .  Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass  once in awhile.  Scary offense.
This is quite funny. Unfortunately itís also quite true.

It's not funny and it is getting quite old with the ground and pound and up the gut. Coach P is so predictable and he isnt fooling any team. He could get away with it once in a while against mediocre teams, but once he goes up against tougher competition, he gets rolled.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #96 on: November 26, 2018, 08:55:02 pm »
I am really impressed with what Shawn has done with basketball and the other scholarship sports. His decision to extend Priore middle of the season was bizarre and I don't really understand it. There is so much money thrown around college football at mediocre to bad college coaches (Exhibit A: Chris Ash at Rutgers; Exhibit B: Bobby Petrino at Louisville).

There are so many talented kids on this team and I'd love to see them take the next step. Our quarterback situation is going to be really interesting- if we can get a good FBS transfer (which should not be too tough honestly), that could be huge.

I'm a sucker so I'll keep out holding hope for this team to take that next step towards greatness. I'd love for football to take charge but I don't see it barring big changes in how this program does things.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #97 on: November 26, 2018, 11:57:04 pm »
We have Fields, we have some talented young guys entering the program at that position so that's good, but I think we're stuck in a chicken vs the egg situation. We get fairly talented guys, but we can't develop them so we wind up with inconsistent quarterback play, but since we can't develop guys, we're not going to be attractive to the FBS transfers. We'll be stuck in a bad spot until we can develop talent at that position. By finally getting dual threat guys like Fields, Zamot, etc. at the position, we can complement our already run heavy offense with a mobile quarterback, while at the same time masking our inability to develop QB talent!! Brilliant I have to say  ;D

Jokes aside, that's really how I see it. Best we can hope for in the near term is that the running threat a mobile QB brings opens up some passing opportunities for whoever we put back there. We're not going to develop them into a great passer, so they might as well be able to scramble and move the ball with their feet. I can't recall SBU ever having a true dual threat quarterback in the past. Didn't fit with Priore's traditional style of offense in the past anyhow.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #98 on: November 27, 2018, 04:39:45 am »
We have Fields, we have some talented young guys entering the program at that position so that's good, but I think we're stuck in a chicken vs the egg situation. We get fairly talented guys, but we can't develop them so we wind up with inconsistent quarterback play, but since we can't develop guys, we're not going to be attractive to the FBS transfers. We'll be stuck in a bad spot until we can develop talent at that position. By finally getting dual threat guys like Fields, Zamot, etc. at the position, we can complement our already run heavy offense with a mobile quarterback, while at the same time masking our inability to develop QB talent!! Brilliant I have to say  ;D

Jokes aside, that's really how I see it. Best we can hope for in the near term is that the running threat a mobile QB brings opens up some passing opportunities for whoever we put back there. We're not going to develop them into a great passer, so they might as well be able to scramble and move the ball with their feet. I can't recall SBU ever having a true dual threat quarterback in the past. Didn't fit with Priore's traditional style of offense in the past anyhow.

I'm not even sure what to say any more about this "beating a dead horse" topic. Coach P is not going to ever change, and the QB situation is going to be the same as Carbone for the next 4 years. It is what it is. We all know what needs to be done to take this program to the upper echelons of the FCS, and it's not this current coaching staff. Oh, well. Thank god it's over and now we can focus 100% on Basketball..

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #99 on: November 27, 2018, 08:47:34 am »
im more bullish than most of you guys.  even though it's just HS film, i liked what i saw from sanchez and zamot.  coach P has surprised us in the past- last year for example, and to some extent this year.  sure we can improve at certain positions but we had a pretty good year.  so much of it is expectations. GO SB
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2018, 10:10:34 am »
To switch gears for a moment. Any word on Liotine's status? It looked like he messed up his ankle during the game on Saturday, though it could have been a knee. Wishing him a speedy recovery as I'm sure he could at least find his way into an NFL camp.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #101 on: November 27, 2018, 01:49:41 pm »
To switch gears for a moment. Any word on Liotine's status? It looked like he messed up his ankle during the game on Saturday, though it could have been a knee. Wishing him a speedy recovery as I'm sure he could at least find his way into an NFL camp.

Even though it's not mandatory to talk about athletes injury or prognosis, a lot of schools do. This football program never talks about injuries, updates on who is hurt and who is not, who's playing who isn't. Who is no longer on the roster, stuff like that.  It would be nice if the paying fans and donors knew just a little bit more of what is happening behind close doors. Nope, not this football team. I'm quite certain coach P has everything to do with that.