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G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« on: November 18, 2018, 12:54:17 pm »
We are in! That's it!!!

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2018, 01:50:31 pm »
We got lucky actually. We're on the much easier side of the bracket. Had we won, it's quite possible we'd be hosting Duquense this weekend, but then have to travel to South Dakota State. Sometimes it pays to lose (something Coach P knows all too well).


This is a winnable game for us. While SEMO State has a good record, the conference they play in is an absolute Joke. They said on the selection show that we're the only road team to be favored heading into next weekend. We should absolutely win this one. Assuming Coach P can actually get our guys focused (tall order based on yesterday) and angry about yesterday's loss, this ought to be a win for us.

More than anything, I'm actually happy to be playing somebody other than the usual Patriot or NEC team. This is a team we otherwise would probably never play. I wish it was a home game though. We must have messed up the bidding process this year to not get the game. They take the bid amount, stadium quality, etc. into account and Lavalle stadium is much nicer than their stadium.

I'll take a closer look at their team in the coming days, but at first glance this ought to be a win. We should be the biggest team they've played all year.
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2018, 02:13:38 pm »
Got lucky after that horrible game against Albany in which our coaching was horribly exposed- the CAA gets a ton of respect and we are lucky to be in this conference. I have no idea what SE Mo State is like but its neat to be playing a different team.

Let's take it one game at a time. Carbone cannot lay that absolute egg that he did at Albany. These will be the last football games that these seniors play. Priore needs to wake up and coach a heck of a lot better too. I'm still not a big Priore fan but he needs this program to take the next step- that means making it deep into the playoffs.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2018, 02:47:49 pm »
Just to note: Stony Brook wasn't even in the last 3 in as per selection committee.

That loss to Albany hurt us. but not that much
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2018, 05:19:31 pm »
As I said on another thread, felt we’d get in when Delaware was announced, but when Elon was announced, thought we were done, since I figured they gave them a phantom win when their Hurricane game was canceled. Lucky to be in, and need to use that as momentum now. Saw the “highlights” of yesterday’s game, and to lose the game after the Hail Mary TD is totally inexcusable. Cost them a home game for sure. Need better decision-making and time mgmt during this 2nd season.
How old a Seawolf am I? I followed them during their Final 4 DIII hoops run in 1977-78 (they were called the Patriots then)

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2018, 06:10:21 pm »
Lets acknowledge some of these seniors and the careers they have had. Guys like Haggert who came back from 2 acl surgerys to be a 4 yr starter and captain. Liotine who wasnt expected to do anything as a walkon from a small school, to one of the top backs in the CAA and in the top 5 at SB in rushing and all purpose yds. McGinty and Lawless both in top 5 in tackles. These kids are easy to root for. Stony Brook is not lucky to be in the CAA, they earned it by doing what they did in the big south. If you are an alumn and root for the school then do that and enjoy the kids who play for the team. Hard work goes into making the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Home game wouldve been nice but lets not say that Heilibran screwed up the bidding process. The lose yesterday probably had to do with that. The only mention on this thread about this team is how Priore stole your lunch money. Coaches are coaches, the players make the engine run. The feeling of failing so the coach goes is really getting old. That is not supporting the players or the team. What hasnt been mentioned from yesterdays game was the lame flag thrown on Wheatley for taking his helmet off during the hailmary celebration. That moved the kick back and thus brought on the squib kick. Bottom line is this team is in the playoffs again so either get on board or jump off cause its getting old.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2018, 08:17:14 pm »
C'mon. Can't you see this is the brilliance of Coach P? See he knew somehow that if he could blow this game, we would be placed in a weaker bracket. He's one smart dude and no wonder SH gave him that extension. Now I am just wondering if Coach P in his bonus package of making the play-offs (cant find his details but I thought it was around $10k for making the playoffs) is he going to give some of that to the Delaware HC in the form of a bonus? 

As to the idiotic squid kick call this shows just how goofy his thought process is.. Instead of telling Courtney to keep it deep left (or even right) and let it go about of bounds around 30, he squibs it RIGHT to the friggin guy who returns it 18 yards.  How someone with his "coaching experience" is not called out on this and expecting all of us to just say... "Oh Well" Is unacceptable for a coach who making a base salary of 418K. He also called that stupid timeout a few weeks ago after a TD again someone else when they were getting ready to be penalized.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2018, 08:47:19 pm »
Here we go again with the excuses. Right on cue.  ;D

We have some truly fantastic players in this program, we really do. There's enough talent on this roster to go all the way to Frisco. We've dropped the ball at developing some positions, which is why we have some of the struggles that we do, but we have some some fantastic young men in this program. They all graduate and get good grades. No issue there.

With all of that in mind though, we lost to a 2 win team when potentially a playoff berth, conference title, and first round bye were on the line. The combined record of the two teams Albany beat is 8-14 and both of those wins were by seven points or less. That's unacceptable. It's not the first time either as there's no shortage of games over the past five season we lost either to inferior teams, or were outright lucky to win. When the stakes are that high, and the team doesn't perform, who do you think that falls on to? Once again, it's not the first time.

The way Shawn talks, you'd think he's trying to get us into the Big Ten, and that's awesome. But if we're going to make the athletic department "big time," we as fans can't start coming up with excuses like "we're not Ohio State" when we lose critical games to bad teams. You cannot have it both ways. You can't aspire to be a premier athletic department, but then act like we're playing youth football when the results don't materialize. We spend a hell of a lot of money on athletics. Our spending puts us at 5th place among FCS public schools. Far too much to just expect average results. Last year we paid Coach P more than Buffalo paid their coach, and in total, we're spending low FBS money on coaches salaries. When you spend money like that (as we should) it's not unreasonable at all to expect better results than last night.


On one final note, actually yes, there is a bidding for hosting playoff games that takes the facility, gate revenue, etc. into account. This video put out by the NCAA at roughly the 10:30 mark outlines these procedures.
This video
Something must have gone awry, because by all objective measures we should be hosting this game. For all our attendance woes, SEMO State had worse attendance than we did this year. They only had 3,100 people show up for a top 5 Jacksonville State team. That's all water under the bridge now though. Time to prepare for the game and win this one.


All in all, I'm excited to play a different team from another conference, and will be eagerly watching the game next Saturday afternoon. Go Seawolves!

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2018, 09:13:03 pm »
Chrissy I couldn't agree with you more

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2018, 10:52:52 pm »
What excuses where made. The point that was made is that some of you guys are never happy with anything that goes on. That was a bad lose yesterday but it didnt cost them a birth. If JMU didnt get a seed then no way SB wouldve got one. Its funny how some of you would blame the AD now for not getting a home game, that falls on the team. They are not going to put 6 CAA teams in and give them all home games. There are other things that are considered when schools look at a program. They look at graduation rate and is the program run clean, also recruiting. You mention the Liberty game a few yrs back and forgot to mention the year after in 2011 when they beat liberty at home to secure the playoff birth. I dont care what someone gets paid nor do I obsess about a coach on an FCS team. I watch and root for the team. My point was that there is only venum spewed about a coach, instead of talking about what is good about the team. Facts are facts and this team is in the playoffs again, like it or not. I am going to trust the fact that the AD knows a lot more about his job than anyone of us. Enjoy the game.


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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2018, 11:23:06 pm »
Ahead of our match-up against SE Missouri State, I took a look at the statistics and a couple things jump out to me. When it comes to rushing defense, they're ranked 78th in the country giving up 189 yards per game. For reference, Fordham who we rushed for 311 yards against is ranked 81st in the country giving up 192 yards per game on average. Our highest rushing total of the year was against Rhode Island and they're ranked 54th nationally giving up 163 yards per game. We ran for 354 yards against them. Running the ball on these guys won't be a problem.

One thing I did find shocking about them was that their passing defense was ranked 122nd in the country (out of 124 teams). They give up on average 304 passing yards per game which is God awful. For reference, our best passing game of the year was 270 yards against Villanova and their passing defense is ranked 22nd nationally. A balanced attack will work for this game, but Carbone should have his best passing game of the season. The worst passing defense we faced this year was Richmond who is ranked 82nd and gave up 225 yards per game on average. Their secondary is clearly weak, and we can torch them through the air if need be.

The only thing concerning about them is they're ranked 9th nationally in scoring offense, averaging 39 points a game. That's quite good. Though for reference, JMU and Towson are ranked 13th and 14th averaging ~37 points per game. We held them to 13 and 52 points respectively. If the defense from the JMU game shows up, we'll handle SEMO State just fine. If the Towson defense shows up, this could turn into a real shootout. We're ranked 10th nationally in scoring defense. So you have the 9th best scoring offense in the country against the 10th best scoring defense. That'll be the match-up to watch.

Looking at these stats makes me feel much better about the game. Keep in mind that the Ohio Valley is nowhere near the conference the CAA is, so they're giving up all these yards against weak competition. Signature Stony Brook football of running the ball and playing stout defense should really work well this game, and Carbone ought to have confidence in his ability to throw the ball downfield should this game become a shootout.

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2018, 04:50:22 am »
Lets acknowledge some of these seniors and the careers they have had. Guys like Haggert who came back from 2 acl surgerys to be a 4 yr starter and captain. Liotine who wasnt expected to do anything as a walkon from a small school, to one of the top backs in the CAA and in the top 5 at SB in rushing and all purpose yds. McGinty and Lawless both in top 5 in tackles. These kids are easy to root for. Stony Brook is not lucky to be in the CAA, they earned it by doing what they did in the big south. If you are an alumn and root for the school then do that and enjoy the kids who play for the team. Hard work goes into making the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Home game wouldve been nice but lets not say that Heilibran screwed up the bidding process. The lose yesterday probably had to do with that. The only mention on this thread about this team is how Priore stole your lunch money. Coaches are coaches, the players make the engine run. The feeling of failing so the coach goes is really getting old. That is not supporting the players or the team. What hasnt been mentioned from yesterdays game was the lame flag thrown on Wheatley for taking his helmet off during the hailmary celebration. That moved the kick back and thus brought on the squib kick. Bottom line is this team is in the playoffs again so either get on board or jump off cause its getting old.

I have to agree with you with giving credit to the senior players on the team. They played incredibly well and is the main reason why SB had a good season. Haggart is a beast and will be missed. I wont be missing Carbone though, that's for sure. With that said. Yeah, Wheatley got over excited and the bonehead ref throws a flag on him for removing his helmet, thus costing us a 15-yard penalty on the kickoff. Soooo, why not kick it even deeper and towards the sidelines and let it go out of bounds and take the penalty??? A squib kick pretty much guarantees the other team great field position, 90% of the time, doesn't it???  This had to be coach P worst play calling of the year and did cost his team, university, big time.

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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2018, 04:02:35 pm »
Lets acknowledge some of these seniors and the careers they have had. Guys like Haggert who came back from 2 acl surgerys to be a 4 yr starter and captain. Liotine who wasnt expected to do anything as a walkon from a small school, to one of the top backs in the CAA and in the top 5 at SB in rushing and all purpose yds. McGinty and Lawless both in top 5 in tackles. These kids are easy to root for. Stony Brook is not lucky to be in the CAA, they earned it by doing what they did in the big south. If you are an alumn and root for the school then do that and enjoy the kids who play for the team. Hard work goes into making the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Home game wouldve been nice but lets not say that Heilibran screwed up the bidding process. The lose yesterday probably had to do with that. The only mention on this thread about this team is how Priore stole your lunch money. Coaches are coaches, the players make the engine run. The feeling of failing so the coach goes is really getting old. That is not supporting the players or the team. What hasnt been mentioned from yesterdays game was the lame flag thrown on Wheatley for taking his helmet off during the hailmary celebration. That moved the kick back and thus brought on the squib kick. Bottom line is this team is in the playoffs again so either get on board or jump off cause its getting old.

THANK YOU CHRISSY!

I couldn't have said it any better. This team is deserving of our support. We need to enjoy the moment. Half of the programs in the CAA would love to be in the playoffs right now. Guess what? We are in it, back to back years.

We are building success at Stony Brook little by little. Lets look at the bigger picture guys!!

And thank you to the players and Coach P for giving me at the very least one extra game to watch at home this Saturday! So excited!!!
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Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2018, 05:30:56 pm »
I don’t think it’s fair to equate criticizing the coach or wanting a new coach to same as criticizing players or lacking team/school spirit. I am very happy that we are in the playoffs and excited too. Can’t wait to beat up the RedHawks. I love our players. Seniors and not seniors.

I think Coach P was the right person to guide us from NEC to Big South to CAA. Im very happy at where we are now as a program comparing to where we were 10/15 years ago. We are now rubbing shoulders with the elites of FCS. He has done tremendous job.

However I’m still unhappy with the Coach. It I feel like this is Coach P’s ceiling. His weaknesses in play calling are routinely exposed. His often makes head scratching decisions. I think with the amount of money we are spending, we can have even better coach.

I have no issue with getting penalized for unsportsmanlike celebrations after the Hail Mary. Emotions can take over. These are young players. But I have problem with many of the coaching decisions that led to no option but throwing a Hail Mary against last placed Albany.
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