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Re: Albany
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2019, 11:39:13 am »
Priore has proven he can be successful at a lower level. A good outcome would be him taking a D2 or D3 position without exercising the last two years of his contract at SB. Not likely, but would be a win/win.

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« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2019, 11:51:52 am »
I've done a poor job, he said, according to 24/7 Sports. The buck stops with me. Wanna take a guess who said this and who DIDN'T? and who no doubt will be gone fairly soon?

He absolutely did do a poor job. Admittingly or not. The SB Politics got in the way with giving him a long term contract renewal. That's was BS. We all knew the little Napeloan was not the man for the job to win in the CAA and take this program to the next level like SH alluded to when he first got here.

Coach P can come straight out and tell the world he should not be SB HC, they still wont let him go. Unless the little guy agrees to take a lesser buyout, which I doubt will ever happen!

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« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2019, 12:59:54 pm »
Just buy him out. Its only taxpayer money anyways

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« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2019, 11:39:04 pm »
Coach P's buyout for the three years would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a million dollars. $900,000-$1.3M is my guess for the remainder of his contract.

FSU meanwhile just bought out Willie Taggart for $18 million dollars in his second season. Just goes to show you how to contrast the two programs and levels. Supposedly there was even a booster who was willing to pay for the whole thing  :D

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« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2019, 11:52:37 pm »
Any self-respecting program would cut face immediately. The main roadblock we have is New York State being notoriously awful with funding. SUNY is probably the worst state education system and its a shame that a school as good as Stony Brook has to suffer under its oppressive limitations. I long for the day when we break free of their chains. Weve been economically screwed over by the state for far too long.
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« Reply #65 on: November 26, 2019, 06:42:40 am »
Any self-respecting program would cut face immediately. The main roadblock we have is New York State being notoriously awful with funding. SUNY is probably the worst state education system and its a shame that a school as good as Stony Brook has to suffer under its oppressive limitations. I long for the day when we break free of their chains. Weve been economically screwed over by the state for far too long.
Spoken list a true student -:)  Back in the day when I was a student, I used to be the same way, so I'm not being critical here.............

SUNY, despite its financial crunch, is still an outstanding system overall.  Tell me where you get an education from a quality school at this price anywhere else in the country.  To me, that is the bottom line.

Athletically, we've come a helluva long way since my days at SBU.  We all want more; that's human nature.  Although I firmly believe a coaching change is warranted, there is no way that SBU eats the kind of money that VA_Seawolf mentions above.  Not a chance.  Additionally, there is no way SH would fire him, since he's responsible for giving him the extension in the first place.  I totally understand all the venting about the coach on this board, but his removal ain't gonna happen until his current contract expires.
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Re: Albany
« Reply #66 on: November 26, 2019, 07:37:08 am »
College athletics (including football) are only a means to an end, meaning a better student experience and ultimately, a better overall academic experience. Which of us wouldn't prefer to have a degree from Johns Hopkins or MIT, even though they have basically no athletics tradition.  Although SB definitely needs a new HC, the $1 million buyout (assuming that's correct) is better spent on academics.
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Re: Albany
« Reply #67 on: November 26, 2019, 09:21:11 am »
I think for a program with the aspirations of Stony Brook, a new coach will be necessary. I think Priore has demonstrated his ceiling here. How many FCS programs will boast an indoor facility the likes of what we will have soon? I think our ceiling is higher- our players are definitely talented but my bigger problem is making sure we get the most out of them. I think there are enough wealthy boosters that they could cover the buy-out.

I would 100% be on board with showing him the door but we need to have the right replacement. What I am concerned about is finding the right coach for New York football- Priore (and his staff) have good connections in LI and have found really good talent locally in Long Island which is very important. We can't replace him with a coach from the south or something as it won't be easy dragging kids from Florida or Texas to Stony Brook.

Anyway, congrats to Albany on a very good season. Hoping they do well in the playoffs.

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« Reply #68 on: November 26, 2019, 09:59:06 am »
Let's assume SB doesn't have or want to spend the money to hire a new coach.  If you were Priore, what would you do to make this Football Program one that would contend for the CAA title/make the FCS playoffs every year? 

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« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2019, 11:48:53 am »
I watched the game  this past Saturday on TV .  The announcers could not believe  we were down 21`  nothing and still trying to run the ball up the middle .  Priore  would need to open the offense and pass especially with Fields at QB .  But he wont do  that I bet on .  He is stuck  on running on all downs if needed  which means  another several seasons  of losing .

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« Reply #70 on: November 26, 2019, 12:49:29 pm »
Any self-respecting program would cut face immediately. The main roadblock we have is New York State being notoriously awful with funding. SUNY is probably the worst state education system and its a shame that a school as good as Stony Brook has to suffer under its oppressive limitations. I long for the day when we break free of their chains. Weve been economically screwed over by the state for far too long.
Spoken list a true student -:)  Back in the day when I was a student, I used to be the same way, so I'm not being critical here.............

SUNY, despite its financial crunch, is still an outstanding system overall.  Tell me where you get an education from a quality school at this price anywhere else in the country.  To me, that is the bottom line.

Athletically, we've come a helluva long way since my days at SBU.  We all want more; that's human nature.  Although I firmly believe a coaching change is warranted, there is no way that SBU eats the kind of money that VA_Seawolf mentions above.  Not a chance.  Additionally, there is no way SH would fire him, since he's responsible for giving him the extension in the first place.  I totally understand all the venting about the coach on this board, but his removal ain't gonna happen until his current contract expires.

100% agree. Suck it up fans. We are in for a long ride with this coaching staff.

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Re: Albany
« Reply #71 on: November 26, 2019, 12:50:56 pm »
Let's assume SB doesn't have or want to spend the money to hire a new coach.  If you were Priore, what would you do to make this Football Program one that would contend for the CAA title/make the FCS playoffs every year?

Run up the gut???? Thats all. This is all coach P has to offer. Same old story, year in and year out!!

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« Reply #72 on: November 26, 2019, 01:09:38 pm »
Ok, I get it, but Heilbrun is his boss.  If he says "we need to talk about how to run a more creative and modern offense and other ways to improve the team" don't you think Priore would be responsive?  You're more knowledgeable about the situation than I am, so this is a real question, not a snarky comment framed as question.

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« Reply #73 on: November 26, 2019, 01:37:29 pm »
Ok, I get it, but Heilbrun is his boss.  If he says "we need to talk about how to run a more creative and modern offense and other ways to improve the team" don't you think Priore would be responsive?  You're more knowledgeable about the situation than I am, so this is a real question, not a snarky comment framed as question.

Kind of like Cashman asking Girardi to use more Analytics.......one of the reasons Joe was fired, since he was somewhat resistant to change. 

Sure, good idea, but SH may be asking something of him, that he's not capable of delivering on.  Again, I didn't watch all of the games this year, but to all of us, Fields (who I liken to a Lamar Jackson type) can do it with his legs and arm, and the offense actually run by CP didn't utilize Fields' talent to the maximum at all; not even close.  I think CP is frozen in the Larry Csonka, ground-and-pound era (sorry if I'm showing my age here).

Does anyone know if SH reads this board?
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« Reply #74 on: November 26, 2019, 06:56:23 pm »
Sure, Coach P theoretically could open up the offense and utilize the talent he's got, but we all know he's not going to do that. As recently as 2016 we were still lining up under center for every play while pretty much everyone else stopped doing that ages ago. Not exactly sure how Felus/Bache handle their coordinator duties, but perhaps bringing in a dedicated OC who has experience with the read-option or air raid system would do the trick. I doubt Coach P would hand over those playcalling duties though.

Buying him out might be steep this year, but after next season assuming it ends up just like this one (little reason to think it'll be much better) the buyout figure drops considerably and it'll be a whole lot easier to justify.