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Re: 2020 SBU Football
« Reply #225 on: November 18, 2020, 01:28:42 pm »
100%.

contrast with former ADs (one already mentioned and actually was generous).

before that, barely showed up to events or knew athletes.  but also recall that we were a division 4 program at that point.
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« Reply #226 on: November 19, 2020, 04:57:45 am »
I think Heilbron is too smart of a man to fully approve of Priore, but in that case, why extend him? His contract was running out anyways. The extension was ill-timed considering they ended up losing their final 2 games of the season anyway in 2018, then embarrassed themselves throughout the entirety of 2019.

We would have been done with Chuck by now had it not been for that decision. Aside from not taking enough steps to move up to FBS, extending Priore has been my biggest criticism of Heilbron so far.

I do believe that if Jim Fiore was still the AD, Stony Brook would already be FBS by now, but he was also an evil moron who Stony Brook fired because he kept sexually harassing his own athletes, so there is the trade-off to consider. Heilbron has been much better on the social/political causes front but is not as aggressive as Fiore was.

The extension was rather odd, but at the time it was deemed okay seeing how they were about to enter the FCS playoffs for the second consecutive season. 2020 would be the year Chuck got another 2-year extension, based off the last two. If he doesn't get one, that should indicate what the future holds.

As for Shawn, the athletes love him. He knows all of their names, seriously, walk into the arena during the day when training is happening and see Shawn casually walk around and say hi to all of them, ask how their major is going, which he knows offhand. Man knows his crowd.

Remember what I said earlier about how the state system works. If you are part of the "good boys club" your job is secure for life.  Chucky is loved by SBU, Why? I have no idea. He is nasty. He is not good with fans, he is not transparent, and he sucks as a HC. Chucky is everything bad for football these days for D1.

Some verbal, behind close doors deal must have been made when SH became AD that sealed the fate of Chucky with SB. I could see him leaving only with retirement because of age. Welcome to the State civil service way of doing things. UAlbany has some problem at SB. Once you are locked in, you are golden and can't do wrong.

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« Reply #227 on: November 19, 2020, 11:31:20 am »
I think Heilbron is too smart of a man to fully approve of Priore, but in that case, why extend him? His contract was running out anyways. The extension was ill-timed considering they ended up losing their final 2 games of the season anyway in 2018, then embarrassed themselves throughout the entirety of 2019.

We would have been done with Chuck by now had it not been for that decision. Aside from not taking enough steps to move up to FBS, extending Priore has been my biggest criticism of Heilbron so far.

I do believe that if Jim Fiore was still the AD, Stony Brook would already be FBS by now, but he was also an evil moron who Stony Brook fired because he kept sexually harassing his own athletes, so there is the trade-off to consider. Heilbron has been much better on the social/political causes front but is not as aggressive as Fiore was.

The extension was rather odd, but at the time it was deemed okay seeing how they were about to enter the FCS playoffs for the second consecutive season. 2020 would be the year Chuck got another 2-year extension, based off the last two. If he doesn't get one, that should indicate what the future holds.

As for Shawn, the athletes love him. He knows all of their names, seriously, walk into the arena during the day when training is happening and see Shawn casually walk around and say hi to all of them, ask how their major is going, which he knows offhand. Man knows his crowd.

Remember what I said earlier about how the state system works. If you are part of the "good boys club" your job is secure for life.  Chucky is loved by SBU, Why? I have no idea. He is nasty. He is not good with fans, he is not transparent, and he sucks as a HC. Chucky is everything bad for football these days for D1.

Some verbal, behind close doors deal must have been made when SH became AD that sealed the fate of Chucky with SB. I could see him leaving only with retirement because of age. Welcome to the State civil service way of doing things. UAlbany has some problem at SB. Once you are locked in, you are golden and can't do wrong.

With the media, Chuck is an ****. Talking to Newsday or News12, he kisses ass and answers whatever questions they ask, but in postgame press conferences when someone from the Statesman asked him questions, they were mocked. Skip to about 3:40 on this press conference when asked why he settled for a FG when down by a lot and needing a TD.

https://twitter.com/StonyBrookFB/status/1193293122085765120

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« Reply #228 on: November 19, 2020, 09:53:00 pm »
Just a random thought I had while watching the Seahawks game and Jason Meyers on the screen. He went to Marist, went undrafted, but still, he’s been a Pro Bowl player in the NFL. School had their first player drafted in 2014. Look at Wagner, Cam Gill went undrafted and now he’s playing in Tampa Bay, and a former player won the Super Bowl last year with the Chiefs. SBU has no such luck or success with former players.

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« Reply #229 on: November 19, 2020, 10:09:17 pm »
Yeah that's quite the embarrassment.

Everyone without a doubt knows that Stony Brook's football program is legions ahead of Marist's and Wagner's. But the lack of players at the NFL level is a real bad mark on the program. Miguel Maysonet was a stud in the early 2010s and he went nowhere. Dominick Reyes was a defensive stalwart who is now best known for getting screwed over by UFC judges against Jon Jones. Does anyone outside of Stony Brook remember who Will Tye was?

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« Reply #230 on: November 19, 2020, 10:21:27 pm »
Yeah that's quite the embarrassment.

Everyone without a doubt knows that Stony Brook's football program is legions ahead of Marist's and Wagner's. But the lack of players at the NFL level is a real bad mark on the program. Miguel Maysonet was a stud in the early 2010s and he went nowhere. Dominick Reyes was a defensive stalwart who is now best known for getting screwed over by UFC judges against Jon Jones. Does anyone outside of Stony Brook remember who Will Tye was?

Big embarrassment at that press conference.

I remember Will Tye scoring his first TD and the Mike Turico saying "Stony Brook in the endzone" now at the time, even though I've lived on LI for my entire life, had never heard of it, and would not hear the name again for two years. Vic Ochi had a cup of tea but has had issues off the field and won't ever make it back. Timon was in New England this week, attempting to crack his third NFL practice squad of the season, Chris Cooper quietly was cut by the Broncos from their practice squad. Gavin Heslop was elevated to the Seahawks active roster and dressed once, but didn't play, kinda shocked he wasn't brought up for tonight's game. But there's just no NFL history. I don't know how recruits by in with no clear path to the league.

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« Reply #231 on: November 20, 2020, 01:59:16 am »
That press conference was not a good look. If Priore wants to act like Belichick he should start winning actual titles first.

Surprised that this is my first time seeing something as unprofessional as that. Sports media people can be annoying but there is no real Stony Brook media to be fair, unless you count Newsday’s half-ass job. No one is watching these Twitter stream press conferences enough to notice Priore acting out like that, so he can do it without consequence.

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« Reply #232 on: November 20, 2020, 04:28:30 am »
Just a random thought I had while watching the Seahawks game and Jason Meyers on the screen. He went to Marist, went undrafted, but still, he’s been a Pro Bowl player in the NFL. School had their first player drafted in 2014. Look at Wagner, Cam Gill went undrafted and now he’s playing in Tampa Bay, and a former player won the Super Bowl last year with the Chiefs. SBU has no such luck or success with former players.

Because coach P and his coaching staff are JV at bast. They SUCK. But yet SB continues to keep them on board. I've been pounding my fist about this subject for 10 years now, and nothing has changed, and it wont change until a new AD comes in and cleans house.

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« Reply #233 on: November 20, 2020, 04:37:23 am »
I think Heilbron is too smart of a man to fully approve of Priore, but in that case, why extend him? His contract was running out anyways. The extension was ill-timed considering they ended up losing their final 2 games of the season anyway in 2018, then embarrassed themselves throughout the entirety of 2019.

We would have been done with Chuck by now had it not been for that decision. Aside from not taking enough steps to move up to FBS, extending Priore has been my biggest criticism of Heilbron so far.

I do believe that if Jim Fiore was still the AD, Stony Brook would already be FBS by now, but he was also an evil moron who Stony Brook fired because he kept sexually harassing his own athletes, so there is the trade-off to consider. Heilbron has been much better on the social/political causes front but is not as aggressive as Fiore was.

The extension was rather odd, but at the time it was deemed okay seeing how they were about to enter the FCS playoffs for the second consecutive season. 2020 would be the year Chuck got another 2-year extension, based off the last two. If he doesn't get one, that should indicate what the future holds.

As for Shawn, the athletes love him. He knows all of their names, seriously, walk into the arena during the day when training is happening and see Shawn casually walk around and say hi to all of them, ask how their major is going, which he knows offhand. Man knows his crowd.

Remember what I said earlier about how the state system works. If you are part of the "good boys club" your job is secure for life.  Chucky is loved by SBU, Why? I have no idea. He is nasty. He is not good with fans, he is not transparent, and he sucks as a HC. Chucky is everything bad for football these days for D1.

Some verbal, behind close doors deal must have been made when SH became AD that sealed the fate of Chucky with SB. I could see him leaving only with retirement because of age. Welcome to the State civil service way of doing things. UAlbany has some problem at SB. Once you are locked in, you are golden and can't do wrong.

With the media, Chuck is an ****. Talking to Newsday or News12, he kisses ass and answers whatever questions they ask, but in postgame press conferences when someone from the Statesman asked him questions, they were mocked. Skip to about 3:40 on this press conference when asked why he settled for a FG when down by a lot and needing a TD.

https://twitter.com/StonyBrookFB/status/1193293122085765120

He is a scumbag. The perfect reply to that answer would have been. I am a reporter and not an HC making 350,000 a year. that's your job to make and make it correctly. I really dont know why or how any athlete on this program would want to play for him. I believe the excellent players who are on his team are here because of the school academics, not for coach P. This guy needs to step down and move back down to D3, where he belongs.
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« Reply #234 on: November 20, 2020, 04:50:59 am »
One last thing about this topic for the week, it's Friday, lol. But Stony Brook football needs a coaching staff similar to Clemson, Dabo Sweeney, and Brent Venables. What I mean by that is not so much the caliber of high priced coaches, but more of their character, and personalities, and how they connect with the players. Dabo is loved by the media, coaches, and most of all his players. Why is that? because he has faith in life and believes in his players and coaches. He also has a multitude of play-calling that was well thought out and practiced to perfection. It also helps that Dabo's style of playing does not consist of just running up the gut, even though that works for Clemson..Clemson staff are all full of life, vibrant, positive about everything. Bring in coaches like that into this program and great players will want to play for you. Chuck is an old fart and a dud and is so 80's style of football without the 4 and 5-star players. Like  AirTurn alluded to. Chucky is no Bill Belichick where he can afford to be sarcastic and cold to reporters. When you reach Belichick status than be like that, until then put the happy, friendly game face on when talking and dealing with the media and public. Maybe, just maybe that will resonate into getting better athletes who want to play for you.
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Re: 2020 SBU Football
« Reply #235 on: November 20, 2020, 10:15:46 am »
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« Reply #236 on: November 20, 2020, 10:18:09 am »
One last thing about this topic for the week, it's Friday, lol. But Stony Brook football needs a coaching staff similar to Clemson, Dabo Sweeney, and Brent Venables. What I mean by that is not so much the caliber of high priced coaches, but more of their character, and personalities, and how they connect with the players. Dabo is loved by the media, coaches, and most of all his players. Why is that? because he has faith in life and believes in his players and coaches. He also has a multitude of play-calling that was well thought out and practiced to perfection. It also helps that Dabo's style of playing does not consist of just running up the gut, even though that works for Clemson..Clemson staff are all full of life, vibrant, positive about everything. Bring in coaches like that into this program and great players will want to play for you. Chuck is an old fart and a dud and is so 80's style of football without the 4 and 5-star players. Like  AirTurn alluded to. Chucky is no Bill Belichick where he can afford to be sarcastic and cold to reporters. When you reach Belichick status than be like that, until then put the happy, friendly game face on when talking and dealing with the media and public. Maybe, just maybe that will resonate into getting better athletes who want to play for you.


pete carroll type, a player's coach.  inspiring.
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« Reply #237 on: November 20, 2020, 10:35:59 am »
One last thing about this topic for the week, it's Friday, lol. But Stony Brook football needs a coaching staff similar to Clemson, Dabo Sweeney, and Brent Venables. What I mean by that is not so much the caliber of high priced coaches, but more of their character, and personalities, and how they connect with the players. Dabo is loved by the media, coaches, and most of all his players. Why is that? because he has faith in life and believes in his players and coaches. He also has a multitude of play-calling that was well thought out and practiced to perfection. It also helps that Dabo's style of playing does not consist of just running up the gut, even though that works for Clemson..Clemson staff are all full of life, vibrant, positive about everything. Bring in coaches like that into this program and great players will want to play for you. Chuck is an old fart and a dud and is so 80's style of football without the 4 and 5-star players. Like  AirTurn alluded to. Chucky is no Bill Belichick where he can afford to be sarcastic and cold to reporters. When you reach Belichick status than be like that, until then put the happy, friendly game face on when talking and dealing with the media and public. Maybe, just maybe that will resonate into getting better athletes who want to play for you.


pete carroll type, a player's coach.  inspiring.

yes, somebody like Pete Carrol or even WF defensive coordinator, Lyle Hemphill, who was part of SB system already...

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« Reply #238 on: November 20, 2020, 10:38:43 am »
That press conference was not a good look. If Priore wants to act like Belichick he should start winning actual titles first.

Surprised that this is my first time seeing something as unprofessional as that. Sports media people can be annoying but there is no real Stony Brook media to be fair, unless you count Newsday’s half-ass job. No one is watching these Twitter stream press conferences enough to notice Priore acting out like that, so he can do it without consequence.

He acted like that on at least three occasions last season in the press conferences. Three different games. But when Roger Rubin of Newsday asked a question it was "Oh of course, I'll answer your question. Please say I'm a great coach"

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« Reply #239 on: November 20, 2020, 10:46:08 am »
One last thing about this topic for the week, it's Friday, lol. But Stony Brook football needs a coaching staff similar to Clemson, Dabo Sweeney, and Brent Venables. What I mean by that is not so much the caliber of high priced coaches, but more of their character, and personalities, and how they connect with the players. Dabo is loved by the media, coaches, and most of all his players. Why is that? because he has faith in life and believes in his players and coaches. He also has a multitude of play-calling that was well thought out and practiced to perfection. It also helps that Dabo's style of playing does not consist of just running up the gut, even though that works for Clemson..Clemson staff are all full of life, vibrant, positive about everything. Bring in coaches like that into this program and great players will want to play for you. Chuck is an old fart and a dud and is so 80's style of football without the 4 and 5-star players. Like  AirTurn alluded to. Chucky is no Bill Belichick where he can afford to be sarcastic and cold to reporters. When you reach Belichick status than be like that, until then put the happy, friendly game face on when talking and dealing with the media and public. Maybe, just maybe that will resonate into getting better athletes who want to play for you.


pete carroll type, a player's coach.  inspiring.

yes, somebody like Pete Carrol or even WF defensive coordinator, Lyle Hemphill, who was part of SB system already...

Since Wake Forest is a private school, they're not obligated to release finances and contract details, unless FOIL'd, but FBS DC's generally make a good amount of money, especially as you move up in conferences. Hemphill could easily be making $400,000 a year. At this point, no chance he'd leave for SBU and take almost the same amount of money. In a couple of years, he'll be a G5 head coach.

Btw, I'm curious, I don't even know how I found this site, but wonder if athletics knows about it and reads any of this.