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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2019, 11:45:36 am »
You are wrong on the recruiting when you say the good athletes wonít consider coming here as SBUís 2019 is the best one theyíve ever had and the 2020 class already has a 3 star commit and the #2 QB in NY committed. Also the transferís weíre getting really good players.

The bigger issue is what it cost to live on LI and not having the big money to give to Assistant Coaches therefore almost all of their wives also have to work and thatís not a good drawing card for potential hidings

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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2019, 11:55:18 am »
I want to clarity one thing not only hire better Assistant Coaches but be able to keep the really good ones unless they have FBS aspirations

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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2019, 12:14:15 pm »
You are wrong on the recruiting when you say the good athletes wonít consider coming here as SBUís 2019 is the best one theyíve ever had and the 2020 class already has a 3 star commit and the #2 QB in NY committed. Also the transferís weíre getting really good players.

The bigger issue is what it cost to live on LI and not having the big money to give to Assistant Coaches therefore almost all of their wives also have to work and thatís not a good drawing card for potential hidings

How many ESPN star players did SB recruit out of high school? Not Rivals stars, ESPN stars, there s a difference. Dont count graduate transfers or transfers for that matter.

Call me crazy, but I would not be surprised if LIU starts scooping players away from SB, Like Jake Carlock and eventually starts recruiting star players ahead of SB..

Listen. I am not bashing SB. AS a season ticket holder for almost a decade I see a change around town that is not good. The program needs to get their **** in order and start recruiting better coaches, Preferably the HC and stop giving multi year contract extensions..
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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2019, 12:28:53 pm »
ESPN is not the standard Rivals is the standard and I tell you for a fact every LI kid that has either played for an FBS school or currently playing at an FBS school SBU went after and did offer and even told them if it didnít work out they would have a home at SBU. They have even offered every 3 star player from PSAL which might be the 2nd best League in all of NY. I know this because I surveyed all of the HS Coaches in that league
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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2019, 12:34:15 pm »
weve done the math on this forum before.  happy to hear corrections as there are mere shots in the dark.

lavalle holds 12.3k
assume 500 parents/friends
4k locals, donors
500 alums
500 staff, faculty, admin, athletics, etc
maybe 500 students
other?

and that's 6000.  with conservative estimates (meaning, larger #s than i really think in reality).

that leaves 6300 seats.  we all know they count tickets, not bodies.

options remaining to fill those seats:
-the over 10k students living on/around campus (not even there by thursday night)
-more locals sitting in traffic on nicholls road when they can instead watch B1G games on national TV

Of course. My point was that Bryant was 9700 a few weeks ago and Wagner was 5700 a few days ago and I'd like to see Fordham back in that 9700 range.  (that is notwithstanding any/all issues regarding the counting of fans/tickets).
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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2019, 12:38:59 pm »
i think it's fair to say 9700 is a solid, achievable number for this program in this era.  heck, i'd take 8k.
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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2019, 12:46:18 pm »
ESPN is not the standard Rivals is the standard and I tell you for a fact every LI kid that has either played for an FBS school or currently playing at an FBS school SBU went after and did offer and even told them if it didnít work out they would have a home at SBU. They have even offered every 3 star player from PSAL which might be the 2nd best League in all of NY. I know this because I surveyed all of the HS Coaches in that league

I beg to differ about the comparison between the two but thats fine. My point is. Why cant SB land some f these 3 star players you are talking about>>. I know Keith is one of those kids from Floyd, again Rivals not ESPN.  Thats because SB is not known for it's football program and kids today feel they rather play for a larger school where football is more prominent. Look at JMU, NDSU, JSU. They are small FCS schools but garnish ESPN star players out of high school, why?? Because of their coaches and the ability to train them for the next level. NFL. Thats what it is all about with these kids. They all think they can make the NFL one day, when the truth is 99% dont. However, SB needs to open their wallets and bring in coaches with a history of recruiting star players. Same old record from me for years now

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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2019, 01:07:44 pm »
weve done the math on this forum before.  happy to hear corrections as these are mere shots in the dark.

lavalle holds 12.3k
assume 500 parents/friends
4k locals, donors
500 alums
500 staff, faculty, admin, athletics, etc
maybe 500 students
other?

and that's 6000.  with conservative estimates (meaning, larger #s than i really think in reality).

that leaves 6300 seats.  we all know they count tickets, not bodies.

options remaining to fill those seats:
-the over 10k students living on/around campus (not even there by thursday night)
-more locals sitting in traffic on nicholls road when they can instead watch B1G games on national TV

From this compilation, the number that jumps out at you is "500 students." Yikes. I get that its a commuter school but the school has over 26,000 students.

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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2019, 01:15:29 pm »
i think it's too high.

if you don't count the band, i'd say it's half that.  can anyone make more of an educated guess?
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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2019, 02:18:09 pm »
Itís not a commuter school anymore. Thatís such an outdated slight. Problem is thereís no strong event coordination - itís gotten better this year but thereís not one unified group thatís in charge of all campus activities, thus leading to a fractured system where multiple groups compete with one another for event time. Thereís not enough incentive for students to go to games because they donít feel like the massive events that they are at other schools. Part of that is because of the lack of tailgating.

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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2019, 02:23:48 pm »
This past Spring the SBU Coaches visited every HS in NY NJ CT and many schools in MD DC PA and VA and invited all of the best players from those schools to their prospects camp and 1000 HS players came to the 6 camps on campus (people on this site should go and see all the great talent that is interested in SBU). During the Summer all the FBS schools have their camps and thatís where the 3, 4 and 5 star players go to be recruited not FCS schools. SBU and the rest of the FCS schools have to stay on top players and hope they can land them once they donít get the FBS offers.

I know last years 2019 class is not about Keith Winfrey only. Aidan Kaler was the best LB on LI last year and he could have walked on at a few FBS schools but chose to come here he will be on the field a lot next year and there are at least a half dozen other players who will be out there including the PK from NJ who hurt his leg and redshirted.

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« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2019, 03:46:02 pm »
weve done the math on this forum before.  happy to hear corrections as these are mere shots in the dark.

lavalle holds 12.3k
assume 500 parents/friends
4k locals, donors
500 alums
500 staff, faculty, admin, athletics, etc
maybe 500 students
other?

and that's 6000.  with conservative estimates (meaning, larger #s than i really think in reality).

that leaves 6300 seats.  we all know they count tickets, not bodies.

options remaining to fill those seats:
-the over 10k students living on/around campus (not even there by thursday night)
-more locals sitting in traffic on nicholls road when they can instead watch B1G games on national TV

From this compilation, the number that jumps out at you is "500 students." Yikes. I get that its a commuter school but the school has over 26,000 students.

Stony Brook feels like a commuter school due to the lack of school spirit. But in reality its actually a fairly large residential campus, the largest in the SUNY system. Over 10,000 students live on campus and 83% of first-year students reside on campus. That is enormous potential if you put a conscious effort to tap the student body.

Those are the potential future fans that will follow the program and donate to the school forever if they build an attachment over the four years. But it seems like athletic department at SBU is ran as a silo with little coordination with the rest of the University
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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2019, 04:00:14 pm »
I am done with this site until people realize this is SBU and not an FBS School

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Re: 2019 G3: STONY BROOK vs. Wagner 6pm SNY
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2019, 05:01:03 pm »
One last thing if anyone wants to follow me Iím on Twitter and I will post who commits to SBU, LIU Post and Nassau CC plus I will post where all NY HS and JC players will be going to College