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Re: 2018 - Game 1 - AT AIR FORCE
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2018, 09:45:11 am »
“It was the second-fewest yards ever by an opponent against Air Force in the Academy’s history. The record low was 66 from San Diego in 1956.”

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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2018, 09:50:43 am »
Two years ago we were blown out by FBS Temple by an identical score. We finished that season 5-6. Hopefully we are not looking at that sort of a season record this year.

In a funny way, it would be the best thing for the team going forward.
Not funny, but true if this program can have a coach take it to the next level.

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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2018, 10:48:38 am »
I think we beat  Bryant  and Fordham hopefully. The test will come with Richmond and Villanova at the end of the month.  Villanova  beat Temple yesterday .

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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2018, 11:56:07 am »
I was at the game yesterday as I was on the sidelines so I saw first hand the expressions on the players faces all day as they came on and off the field and while it was gut wrenching to watch the players never stopped trying. Joe Carbone had a bad day, the OL had a bad day (as they were beaten off the ball on every play), the receivers ( dropped several passes) had a bad day, the coaches had a bad day. The defense played a lot better then the score indicates especially the DE, LB's and DB's. The middle of the DL has to do a better job, however after saying that the Mountain West (where AF is in) has a tough time with defending the triple option.

To Coach P's credit he didn't get on the Bus and scream at everybody but instead will wait for practice to fix what has to be fixed and get ready for Bryant next Saturday and I expect the team to be very fired up.

Coach P will be back next year and why do I say this because he's recruiting like he knows he'll be back and everyone from top to bottom wants him back.


 

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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2018, 01:53:16 pm »
Two years ago we were blown out by FBS Temple by an identical score. We finished that season 5-6. Hopefully we are not looking at that sort of a season record this year.

That Temple team won The American and was ranked heading into their bowl game. Let's see if Air Force is in a similar situation.

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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2018, 03:16:45 pm »
I was at the game yesterday as I was on the sidelines so I saw first hand the expressions on the players faces all day as they came on and off the field and while it was gut wrenching to watch the players never stopped trying. Joe Carbone had a bad day, the OL had a bad day (as they were beaten off the ball on every play), the receivers ( dropped several passes) had a bad day, the coaches had a bad day. The defense played a lot better then the score indicates especially the DE, LB's and DB's. The middle of the DL has to do a better job, however after saying that the Mountain West (where AF is in) has a tough time defending the triple option.

To Coach P's credit he didn't get on the Bus and scream at everybody but instead will wait for practice to fix what has to be fixed and get ready for Bryant next Saturday and I expect the team to be very fired up.

Coach P will be back next year and why do I say this because he's recruiting like he knows he'll be back and everyone from top to bottom wants him back.
Campi, sadly I think you are correct about coach P returning next season. Even if SB goes winless. Why?, I have no idea. He could be loved by the entire school, but if his job performance  is underperforming then the school should NOT extend his contract.

If Heilbron is trying to make SB a football powerhouse then the change needs to begin from the top.

Losing to FBS AF is not a barometer to what the rest of the season is going to look like, but from the little that we
saw of Carbone and the rest of SB offense,it's going to be a long season ahead

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« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2018, 09:00:36 pm »
It's possible we still play really well down the stretch and finish in the 8-3 to 7-4 range to make the playoffs, but unless Air Force really is just that good this year, that might be a bridge too far. Let's start by taking care of business against Bryant, then Fordham to hopefully be 2-1 heading into CAA play. By the end of the month we'll know what kind of team we've got and what our postseason chances will be like. Villanova looks legit this year and we have yet to beat them in CAA play. That'll be a game I want to get.

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Re: 2018 - Game 1 - AT AIR FORCE
« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2018, 10:40:56 pm »
not a total loss- didnt we get $700k???  ::)

this is the kinda game that makes you think twice about the jump to FBS.

So you're second guessing being able to recruit the talent to win a game like this? I don't get the logic. This has nothing to do with FBS. Today was just bad. Whether you point the finger at the coaching, the offensive line, or Carbone is of little consequence. It was a bad day all around.

no, but i do think we sometimes struggle with recruiting.  the service academies have struggles- although different- but a similar social setting to SB.  the reason i mention FBS is because we talk about the jump, but imagine this 10-11 weekends in the fall. 
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« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2018, 01:09:42 am »

no, but i do think we sometimes struggle with recruiting.  the service academies have struggles- although different- but a similar social setting to SB.  the reason i mention FBS is because we talk about the jump, but imagine this 10-11 weekends in the fall.

In the FBS though, we'd be getting the talent to compete with those teams. We'd be on the same level rather than "playing up" for games like this. Remember that only a year ago we were tied with a ranked FBS South Florida team in the 4th quarter. SBU recruits top 20 classes in the FCS, so it's not even a talent problem.

If we go 6-6 in the FBS, we get to go to a bowl that if nothing else garners national eyeballs for the couple hours we're on TV.

If we go 6-5 in the FCS? We don't get jack. I'm 110% in favor of FBS.

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« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2018, 07:25:34 am »

no, but i do think we sometimes struggle with recruiting.  the service academies have struggles- although different- but a similar social setting to SB.  the reason i mention FBS is that we talk about the jump, but imagine this 10-11 weekends in the fall.

In the FBS though, we'd be getting the talent to compete with those teams. We'd be on the same level rather than "playing up" for games like this. Remember that only a year ago we were tied with a ranked FBS South Florida team in the 4th quarter. SBU recruits top 20 classes in the FCS, so it's not even a talent problem.

If we go 6-6 in the FBS, we get to go to a bowl that if nothing else garners national eyeballs for the couple hours we're on TV.

If we go 6-5 in the FCS? We don't get jack. I'm 110% in favor of FBS.

First off. What FBS conference would even consider SB as a full member? MAC, Conference USA?; SB,  would have to go independent for a while . But poor performance won't even get you an invite to play up against tougher OOC FCS teams !

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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2018, 09:38:03 am »
It's possible we still play really well down the stretch and finish in the 8-3 to 7-4 range to make the playoffs, but unless Air Force really is just that good this year, that might be a bridge too far. Let's start by taking care of business against Bryant, then Fordham to hopefully be 2-1 heading into CAA play. By the end of the month we'll know what kind of team we've got and what our postseason chances will be like. Villanova looks legit this year and we have yet to beat them in CAA play. That'll be a game I want to get.

Villanova was looking great last year, they won their opener,  lost to a Temple by a mere 3 points,  then demolished Lafayette 59-0 and then were hit by the worst injury bug you've ever seen. Everybody hurt but the equipment manager was their coach's quote.

If they are healthy, they will be very strong (as shown by beating Temple). Certainly a  tough game for us down the road. 

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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2018, 10:57:03 am »
Villanova will be tough as will James Madison and Delaware.  Plenty of room for improvement for our team but we cannot go 6-5 or worse this season .  As for FBS we are headed in that direction sooner rather than later  ll our facility improvements are directed toward attracting a low level FBS  conference invite.

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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2018, 12:21:52 pm »
First off. What FBS conference would even consider SB as a full member? MAC, Conference USA?; SB,  would have to go independent for a while . But poor performance won't even get you an invite to play up against tougher OOC FCS teams !

There's something this board needs to understand once and for all; moving up to FBS has nothing to do with on the field performance . Conference moves of the past were largely driven by geography, academics, and TV markets, all of which SBU has working in their favor. I want SBU to move up, compete at the highest level, and get the exposure that comes with that, but I don't believe we need to win an FCS title before we get an invite. Conference moves are a multi-decade commitment on the part of the conference extending the invitation. Smart commissioners, ADs, and presidents don't make moves like that based on a couple years of success.

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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2018, 12:48:08 pm »
I would love a move to FBS eventually but that's way down the road. I think it will happen some day.

I think the defense did the best it could- that wishbone offense is really hard to defend if you don't see it and Air Force runs it well. The defense had to battle bad field position all day and those kids were gassed. Carbone really needs to have a better game next week- Bryant has played us tough recently. I don't think I will be able to make it out to the game next weekend unfortunately but will be at Lavalle at some point soon.

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Re: 2018 - Game 1 - AT AIR FORCE
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2018, 09:28:47 am »

In the FBS though, we'd be getting the talent to compete with those teams.

but that's an assumption; what if it doesnt happen?

we already struggle to get a decent QB these days.  going 2-10 is gonna help that?

umass is the cautionary tale.  buffalo to an extent too.  and they have recruiting advantages over SB, i think.

i dunno how much the attention the most minor of bowl games gets, considering half the teams go to bowl games.

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