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2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« on: October 28, 2017, 06:51:22 pm »
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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 03:28:55 am »
We've eeked out a couple wins over the past three weeks. This needs to be a statement game for the selection committee for seeding. We need to absolutely bury Albany and it can't be a close game. They're 1-4 in the conference, 3-5 overall, and it's a home game. Time to bury them. Anything less than a 2 TD margin of victory isn't good enough.

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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 08:26:13 am »
We've eeked out a couple wins over the past three weeks. This needs to be a statement game for the selection committee for seeding. We need to absolutely bury Albany and it can't be a close game. They're 1-4 in the conference, 3-5 overall, and it's a home game. Time to bury them. Anything less than a 2 TD margin of victory isn't good enough.

This team by all rights should win out and go 9-2 for the season with Maine being their toughest opponent.. I signature win over Maine should open the eyes of the committee.. And yes, blow the doors off of UA!!!!

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 08:48:22 am »
I thought Stony Brook played a really smart, clean, conservative game yesterday. Richmond shot themselves in the foot with all those penalties...

My only concern going forward is with our front line. SB had a difficult time running the ball even before Parris going down. Richmond gives up the most yards in the CAA with teams running on them. Something around 200+ yards a game We only had one decent run up the gut from Bidell, that concerns me... We are playing with a backup line? Joe Detorie was out there and he is a Freshman.

Parris injury doesnt look good for the remaining games of the season after being carted off into the dressing room. I hope he is ok.. Maybe someone closer the SB athletics can keep us informed of his situation going forward..

I thought SB played a little too conservative again in the 4th Q. We tried killing the clock with the 3 and out, running up the gut with 6 minutes left in the game... I noticed coach P does this in every game when we have the lead. Why not try throwing the ball for short yardage and grab one or two more first downs?? Carbone has improved tremendously with this play all season. keep doing that even late in the 4th... Stick with what works all game...

All and all Stony did very well in this game and the defense held Richmond stud Quarterback in check all game.. Great job!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 12:02:11 pm »
I spoke with one of the Coaches last night and they're not sure if Timone Paris will be able to play next week after getting hurt on Saturday

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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 12:49:35 pm »
I spoke with one of the Coaches last night and they're not sure if Timone Paris will be able to play next week after getting hurt on Saturday

I just rust ran into a very reliable source at SB.. Timon Paris is out for the season. He needs surgery on his Ankle.. Hopefully he will be ready for the NFL combine next year.. The scouts had him as high as the 3rd round before this injury..

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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 12:17:18 am »
I spoke with one of the Coaches last night and they're not sure if Timone Paris will be able to play next week after getting hurt on Saturday

I just rust ran into a very reliable source at SB.. Timon Paris is out for the season. He needs surgery on his Ankle.. Hopefully he will be ready for the NFL combine next year.. The scouts had him as high as the 3rd round before this injury..

Huuuge bummer for him and for the team with that news. Though I don't think it will hurt his draft stock too much.

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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 01:27:22 am »
As exciting as it is right now. One game at a time boys. Gotta beat the puppies first!!!
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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 10:48:21 pm »
Timon is out for the year; we now lost our best OT...Bummer

SBU was very fortunate to get this win; if your review the stats we were stronger in the kicking game & that was it...

We got breaks with penalties early that allowed us to score & there was a lot of bad calls in this game on both sides.

What really surprise me was the lack of an effective offensive game plan:

2.7 yards per carry 40 rushing attempts
7.9 passing avg 27 attempts

I also notice several questionable play calls;

2nd quarter 1:38 seconds & they decide to run out the clock; you need to put points up against Richmond.

3rd quarter We run off 2nd string LT just came into the game loose 2 yards; 2nd down run off LT no gain, 3rd down run off LT no gain wkick the ball?

4th Quarter penalty late in 4th quarter coach elects to not take the penalty making it 3rd down 14 on the Richmond 16 yard line; he declines & 4th down n 4 yards n Richmond does a fake punt 25 yard gain Richmond...Why... you pin them back & get the ball back with great field position.   

4th quarter we have the ball on Richmond 46 yard line 4th down 2.5 yards n we elect to kick.... our D is giving up big yardage in passing game & this was a time to let the offence make a statement n hold onto the ball..... we elect to kick.  Richmond comes down & scores.

SBU will go up against very good competition if they make the playoffs; but you cannot make these kinds of calls & mistakes & hope to win.

Ths team has many weapons & we do not use the RB, SB, TE in our short passing game well... or play smash mouth w an 3 TE set for short running gains when needed.

This was discussed with several of the players families & we also notice that 2 of the biggest running plays was when 88 was in the game; why isn't he being used more in run & passing game with his size. This has also been asked from several of the teams & coaches that we played against.  In addition #3 is the best special teams player we have & he also is not being used;
I would not put a starting RB in the return game when he is a necessity in the run game..... why take any chance.

We can all be critics in this game but game film & stats don't lie....  We could of torn some teams up if we were more versatile of our play calling.

Great quote in football...We adjust our game plan based on the players we have to win.... Coach Belichick  might not like him but he is one hell of a good coach & teacher of the game & he uses his players effectively & instills confidence in his players.

I have the pleasure of being at many games; but adjustments in play calling needs to be more effective & we need to utilize the talent better that we have on this team.

 

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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 05:26:40 am »
Timon is out for the year; we now lost our best OT...Bummer

SBU was very fortunate to get this win; if your review the stats we were stronger in the kicking game & that was it...

We got breaks with penalties early that allowed us to score & there was a lot of bad calls in this game on both sides.

What really surprise me was the lack of an effective offensive game plan:

2.7 yards per carry 40 rushing attempts
7.9 passing avg 27 attempts

I also notice several questionable play calls;

2nd quarter 1:38 seconds & they decide to run out the clock; you need to put points up against Richmond.

3rd quarter We run off 2nd string LT just came into the game loose 2 yards; 2nd down run off LT no gain, 3rd down run off LT no gain wkick the ball?

4th Quarter penalty late in 4th quarter coach elects to not take the penalty making it 3rd down 14 on the Richmond 16 yard line; he declines & 4th down n 4 yards n Richmond does a fake punt 25 yard gain Richmond...Why... you pin them back & get the ball back with great field position.   

4th quarter we have the ball on Richmond 46 yard line 4th down 2.5 yards n we elect to kick.... our D is giving up big yardage in passing game & this was a time to let the offence make a statement n hold onto the ball..... we elect to kick.  Richmond comes down & scores.

SBU will go up against very good competition if they make the playoffs; but you cannot make these kinds of calls & mistakes & hope to win.

Ths team has many weapons & we do not use the RB, SB, TE in our short passing game well... or play smash mouth w an 3 TE set for short running gains when needed.

This was discussed with several of the players families & we also notice that 2 of the biggest running plays was when 88 was in the game; why isn't he being used more in run & passing game with his size. This has also been asked from several of the teams & coaches that we played against.  In addition #3 is the best special teams player we have & he also is not being used;
I would not put a starting RB in the return game when he is a necessity in the run game..... why take any chance.

We can all be critics in this game but game film & stats don't lie....  We could of torn some teams up if we were more versatile of our play calling.

Great quote in football...We adjust our game plan based on the players we have to win.... Coach Belichick  might not like him but he is one hell of a good coach & teacher of the game & he uses his players effectively & instills confidence in his players.

I have the pleasure of being at many games; but adjustments in play calling needs to be more effective & we need to utilize the talent better that we have on this team.

 

My biggest concern with the play calling was late in the 4th Q, with 6 minutes on the clock and we are up 10.. Coach P decides to run the ball 3 times. I counted 9 guys in the box in all three downs.. That was a perfect time to throw the ball for a quick slant to Bolden. But no, we go 3 and out..

And coach P not taking that penalty call was totally mind boggling..That would have pinned Richmond deep and it would it would have been 3rd down and for ever..

Oh, well... Just be happy SB is playing this well and is knocking on the door of the playoffs. I had them for dead before the season even started mainly because of Carbone as our starting QB.. I am glad he greatly improved this year. He still needs to learn to throw the ball a little lower and not so high. Someone is going to get hurt really bad if keeps doing that..
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2017, 08:42:02 am »
I agree with all of the criticism of Coach P's play calling (for the whole season). I also agree losing Paris will be a big concern moving forward. I will say that the whole offense has played better this year, especially Joe C.. A small correction - Joe Detorie is a redshirt SO and has started several games this year. I have been to several games and have watched every play of every game and I think we out played every team that we have faced this year except USF (and that was closer than the score). We lack the ability to put teams away due to play calling but overall I think our ranking is appropriate. Richmond did shoot themselves in the foot several times but I believe the better team won and if you take away the last drive (in prevent) we beat them in the stats. They returned 20 starters from their payoff team last year and it was at homecoming for them. Elon still has UNH and JMU, I'm predicting they will lose both. If we can keep our cr@p together we can finish 2nd in the conference. Hopefully we can will a couple of games in the playoffs but just getting there will be a nice step forward for the program. We are not getting a ton of fans traveling to games but the ones that show up are great and loud. I was down in the endzone at W&M and their fans were impressed how loud we were based on the number of fans. Beat Albany!!!!

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Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2017, 10:50:50 am »
Oh and VA_Seawolf, I believe you said that if the Seawolves finished 7-4 this year you would eat a shoe. Haha, not trolling you, just looking at some old posts and I saw this. Glad you were wrong (I'm sure you are as well). It's a good problem, right?

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2017, 11:06:02 am »
I dont think 7-4 will get any team in the playoffs in this conference, except for maybe UNH, JMU, Delaware, the darlings of the CAA... We need 8 wins. Something we should be able to achieve this year.

Losing Parris will hurt our chances, however SB does have a West Virginia transfer, Jr., Jonathan Haynes, 6'-5" 320.. Taking his place.He is quite good. Hopefully he fills the void left behind my Parris..

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2017, 11:58:28 am »
SBU_Football - that was a great analysis of the play calling. We also have always underutilized 88 in particular. I had a class with him my last year at SBU so he's been here forever yet we haven't used him to his full potential. He's 6'8'' and never got to showcase his natural ability here. Sad.

I'm glad we won, but those issues are still present with this team. It's a contract year for Coach P so he might be doing a bit better with the game preparation, though I think the success of this team is likely more due to the experience of the players than the coaching. We lose a TON next year. Coach P can use this year to say he deserves an extension, but how much of this is really attributable to him?? I have no idea.

Oh and VA_Seawolf, I believe you said that if the Seawolves finished 7-4 this year you would eat a shoe. Haha, not trolling you, just looking at some old posts and I saw this. Glad you were wrong (I'm sure you are as well). It's a good problem, right?

I probably did. I thought losing Hemphill along with Carbone being the starter would have us finishing 3-8 at best despite all the talent. The quality loss to FBS top 20 USF gave me hope at the time for this team, and then winning the W&M game on the road (even though we were in full meltdown mode and barely escaped with that game) followed by the New Hampshire win a couple weeks ago really made me start believing in this team. The talent in this program is always there, it's just how it's being used. We could be 8-0 right now honestly.

You're right though, I'm pleasantly surprised by this season. I'll find a shoe-shaped Jello mold and eat that instead  ;D ;D


As a side note, I don't want any players who potentially might read this to get ahead of themselves. FOCUS ON ALBANY...

But I was looking and most of the previous 7 and 8 seeds in the playoff over the past few years have been 8-3 or 9-2 teams from leagues that aren't quite as strong as the CAA. Big South Charleston Southern got an 8 seed at 9-2 a couple years ago despite being in the Big South, so I think if we finish at 9-2 in the league we're in it will be hard to keep us out of that top 8. The weak Southland with Soft Houston State has two teams in the top 8 right now which is kind of frustrating. Hopefully one of them loses. I hope Wofford loses one too. The SoCon nor Southland are as strong as the CAA.

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2017, 12:19:56 pm »
I wasn't saying 7-4 should be good enough Hammertime :). I think we should win all 3 remaining games and (to your point) we need to win at least 2 of 3. I was one of the guys last year making a HUGE deal about Joe Carbone's lack of success. I can't believe how much better he has played this year. He still has his moments, he missed several open receivers at Richmond, but that being said, he has really FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR exceeded my expectations this year. He (and the play calling) held us back last year.

Agreed, about 88 Conner, he was a left tackle 2 years ago and we do better with him in the game. We have some other talented TEs but Conner is our best blocker and is a huge target (although he missed a huge catch a couple of weeks ago).

Definitely, any players that might be reading these posts should completely disregard as anybody is vulnerable. Heck, look at how good RI has played the last few weeks and we owned them.

VT_Seawolf - a shoe mold would be acceptable :) I'll have one with you.