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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2014, 09:55:06 am »
not sure how many of you watched the game, but it was a disaster.  In Kinders "best" game yet, the offense scored three points.  we got excellent field position in the second have on three separate occasions, all inside the 25 and we came away with ZERO points.  I dont blame the entire coaching staff, nor do I blame the O line.  I put the blame squarely on the shoulders of our head coach.  he has refused to come to the conclusion that John Kinder,home town hero from Long Island is NOT a D1 QB.  Yes, kinder threw some nice short passes, but when the chips were down, and we needed some plays, he choked.  Not once inside the 25 did Kinder/Coach P take a shot with a pass to the endzone.  that speaks volumes to me about how little confidence that P has in Kinder to make throws.  and yet the man that continued to let him play out there, after three successive stalled drives and turn overs inside the 25 was Coach P.  I strongly suspect that Coach P made some promises to "someone" that he'd give Kinder a shot this fall.  well that "shot" has cost the Seawolves a 1-3 record in the season.  Now Coach P may say that the QB gets too much blame in losses, well he might be right, I split this blame between him and Kinder.  Something has got to change, and at this point, I see a 1-11 season staring us in the face.  we should easily be 3-1. North Dakota was terrible. 

I think our new AD has some difficult soul searching to do now.  We have tremendous athletes on this football team, but Coach P is running this program into the ground.  His authoritarian approach to coaching may have worked at Trinity and in the Big South Conf, but it will not work now, the evidence is clear.  Now others on this board have asked for coaching changes, now I to believe that something has to be done with Coach P and his play calling and personnel decisions or this season will be lost, if its not already.  he has a big multi year contract, so he is sitting pretty, firing Coach P now would be costly to SB, but maybe its something we need to think about.

as for the QB position, we have three other people languishing on the bench right now that need to be give a shot.  Kinder's had his shot, he's done.  Bednarski, Hernandez and Otranto should get an opportunity to lead this team.  Coach P's little QB rotation game failed badly this preseason, now is the time to make some changes with the coaching staff and with the QB position.  this ineptitude can not continue.

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2014, 03:15:23 pm »
SB gootball ranked 9th in this week CAA poll, interesting considering that's where the preseason coaches vote had us pegged...

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2014, 03:29:03 pm »
here is my last rant for this game:  on the ND TV broadcast, the announcers said that Coach P told them "I don't need a QB to win the game, I just don't want the QB to lose the game".  that comment is very telling and prophetic, and shows how out of touch Coach P is with CAA football, and big time FCS football.  each of the competitive CAA teams have a fully competent QB.  Kinder does not fit that bill, and P seems oblivious of that.  Last night, we needed the QB to win the game for us, put us in the endzone a couple of times when we had golden opportunities.  But instead our QB lost the game for us with a pick-6 and a sack fumble.  If Coach P cant get it through his thick head that relying on the running game alone will not win games in the CAA, nor against Bryant, nor against ND. William and Mary may not have much of an offense, but they do have a defense, and that does not bode well for our talent starved QB situation right now.

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2014, 03:48:27 pm »
BFF. This board is stuned. I think you bring valuable facts to the table that are mostly true and people are reading your posts and mine but have nothing to really say in defense of coach P. I mean, what can we do as fans? We voice our opinion on Forums and thats all. Maybe some of us loyal fans to SBF should take it to the next level and voice our concerns to the AD. I'm not sure if it really matters but it plants a seed  in his head and it sends a message. . Last night after the game, I sent a text on Twitter to SB Athletics letting him know we're frustrated this season.. I didn't get a response back but at least my voice was heard!

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2014, 03:56:00 pm »
Lets give Coach P a bit more time. He has gotten us to the playoffs twice a couple of years ago so we cant give up on him so quick. I do appreciate the football IQ several of you have here. I wish i knew as much as ya to properly makes an assesment of last night game. Obviously I wasnt happy with what I saw but im not sure where to place the blame either... **** just really didnt go our way on the O last night

Im just hopefull that we can atleast give the crowd a nice game on saturday. We really need it.

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2014, 04:14:12 pm »
Ecasado. The reason a few of us are so upset with coach P is. We know how talented our boys are on both sides of the field. The problem we are having is with all the terrible play calling last year and this year. I dont know if its comming from the assistance coaches or coach P , but the bottom line is, it all falls on the shoulders of the head coach..If the assistant coaches are making bad calls then fire him. If coach P is over riding them then he should be held accountable.  This team is good and should be competing at a much higher level this year but they're not and thats the problem
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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2014, 04:27:27 pm »
What I think some of you diehard Coach P fans may not really be thinking about is the current group of Freshman recruits on the team (BTW- heard that one has already left the program-and yes I do know this happens at every program) are saying... "is this what I signed up for"? And of course the others who are sitting and itching their heads, and thinking week after week this reminds them of Bill Murray in Groundhog Day- and then the 2015 recruits? What do you think they are saying? Maybe this is why we struggle to get some of the better recruits? It is a shame our D is doing some great yeoman's work out there- and once again STUPID critical penalties hurt us- and YES that belongs on the head of Coach P! For some of you who still want to keep drinking the Kool-Aid, you should go to the CAA website and look at the stats and where we are- on D we are stellar and on O (outside of Stacy B) we are cellar or near the bottom.
Luke Allen, might have over 100 punts this season if this keeps up and that is crazy!

I do not think that many on this board (well maybe except the QB' or relatives of Coach P) can honestly say we need to give them more time. More time to lose more games, have more people not attend the games, have more time to NOT think that SB is serious to compete in the CAA? I say give Hernandez or Ortranto a shot (heck that is a two system QB environment-so in Coach P's world-that might work).  To all of us, we do have an opportunity to seek to ask the AD (who comes from the crazy West Texas football area.. "do you watch the same games we are seeing?" If Coach P cant get the job done- so what about his contract. Pay him off and get someone who at least can see that this system is not working.  It certainly won't be the last time a coach was paid off- but like the others this is going to turn into a "frustration" fan forum over the next few weeks, and not something I want to see our boys go through time week in and week out. 

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2014, 04:33:43 pm »
Ecasado; I hear you, SB faithful have watch Coach P bring this program from obscurity to notoriety in a short time.  however, I think his authoritarian style of coaching will not work at this high level.  I bet that if you polled the other offensive coaches, Behrman and others, they would not be putting Kinder in at QB.   The kid threw for 172 yards last night, but was sacked FIVE times.  if you watch the game again, you will see that on several of those sacks, he double pumps and hesitates, and that causes the sack.  And on a couple of those sacks, he double pumped when the only receiver on the route was running a bomb down the side line.  what do you need to double pump for on that play, just chuck it, and let your receiver find the ball.  In short,  he has to read and throw, quickly, both of which he has not demonstrated.  if he cant do that at this level, he does not have a shot at QB.  One more example, on one roll out pass play, he pulled the ball down to run, with two blockers in front of him, then he inexplicable cut back to the middle where he was immediately tackled.  His supposed "athleticism" that Coach P has raved about, has not materialized.  In fact, his belief that he can out juke guys like he did in High School is killing us.  we dont need a super athletic QB, we just need one that can make more than ONE read, find a secondary or tertiary receiver, and release the ball.  I am sure that Behrman and the receivers coach see these gaps in his skill set, but may be afraid to challenge coach P on making a change.  Putting Bednarski in for 4 meaningless plays at the end of the game was a complete joke.  what kind of coach does that?????

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2014, 08:15:10 pm »
The coaches might need to switch a few players u on the O line; but the QB position is a problem. We half to get rid of the ball with 2 sec; 7 they half to install a read offence.

The QB & coaches will need to change up plays on the line after making the reads on the D; when they stack the line you half to have qucik slants & short post routes.

This will force the D to back of into 3-4 man front.

It only going to get tougher the next couple of weeks; we are playing bigger & faster Defensive lines the next 2 weeks.

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2014, 09:08:56 pm »
ddmd:  excellent cooments, but our present QB starter can not do those things.  Btw, how is Connor Davis doing? 

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2014, 10:02:37 pm »
Lets talk facts. Keep in mind that all of these are "padded" by a game against American International (who needed a 30yd TD with 1 minute left to beat Assumption College).  Out of the 121 FCS Teams...

Luke Allen is 4th in punting yardage
Luke Allen is 2nd in # of punts
We are 119th in 3rd down conversion % (11 converted out of 57 attempts)
We are 118th in Completion % (34 out of 78 attempts)
We are 111th in Penalty Yards (344 yards)
We are 108th in Scoring Offense (11.5 ppg)

Fun fact, 26 players in the FCS (individually) average more yards per game than our entire team does.



The offense is the same one we ran two years ago.  But at that time we had an O-Line with an NFL prospect, an NFL prospect RB, a speedster WR, a team that played together for 3-4 years, and were playing against the Big South. 

It's really painful to watch.  When we know the play calls before they're run, then i'm pretty sure our opponents know too.  We've stopped using the pistol formation, refuse to throw to Wagner (or any 3rd WR), and don't throw passes to RB's.

Kinder was a nice experiment, but I have to question how we missed this bad?  He doesn't keep his eyes up when he scrambles, has very poor accuracy while he's on the run, he makes bad decisions (redzone int, doesn't throw the ball away, tries to fit it into triple coverage, etc), and he has terrible deep ball accuracy.  These things have to be obvious in practice.  If he doesn't have those problems in practice, then he can't handle playing in front of a crowd (in High School he didn't have the crowd problem, scoring 4 TD's in the LI final at Lavalle).

Priore did a wonderful job getting us to this point, but if you can't adapt to your personnel (or to your environment), then this type of season will happen. If things continue in this direction, we could get into a situation that could take multiple years to fix.

And to make sure I understand the game-script that Priore wants to use...
Run the ball and play the "field position game".  Yes, on third and 7+, you run anyway, yielding a hideous 3rd conversion %, but thats part of the plan...
This lets us gain 255 yards per game on offense.
Use Tye to return punts, making sure that every punt turns into a fair catch, meaning that we get no special teams yards.
Get at least one penalty a drive (90+ penalty yards a game), just to make sure we lose more yards than we gain.
Repeat.


All of that being said, 1-11 is a real possibility.  We could sneak by Elon.  Hopefully URI gets the schedule date wrong and forgets to show up.  That pretty much covers the two games we COULD win.
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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2014, 02:59:55 pm »
Well... I don't think either fanbase was impressed with what happened on Saturday, but I'm happy UND was able to pull off the win.  It seems both teams are going through a rebuild right now (UND fired the previous head coach in November last season) and are really struggling with OLine play and to an even greater extent QB play.  Unfortunately both teams are trying to be run first and you guys lost your starting RB and we lost our starting and back-up RBs to injury, leading UND to convert a LB who hadn't carried the ball since high school.  Hopefully the younger players progress as the season goes on for both teams, or it could be a very long season.  Good luck the rest of the way.

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2014, 04:34:17 pm »
Albany ranked #24 in the country.
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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2014, 05:09:48 pm »
Albany played Holy Cross, Central Connecticut and Rhode Island.  So what??

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Re: 2014: Game 4 - SBU @ North Dakota 9/20 7pm
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2014, 06:00:33 pm »
Albany played Holy Cross, Central Connecticut and Rhode Island.  So what??

If those teams are so weak then how did Albany break the top 25 list???