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The Brookland guys are creating a podcast. You can listen to the first episode here https://soundcloud.com/brookland-907557196

Adam is the face of news and information out of SB athletics..I follow him on Twitter. I suggest you guys do the same.

Hey thanks y'all! This is a work in progress, but what I can promise is week-over-week improvement 😂 Next week's episode is going to tackle football's recent recruiting renaissance, but always eager to hear suggestions for future episodes!
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i have some feedback... first off you guys are a credit to the U and do great work, i've followed your site over the years.

i think the podcast was great.  i should say i dont do podcasts so i know nothing.  im not a millennial (but im married to one!).

-maybe make it a bit shorter? 
-some guests so youre not just talking one-way?
-maybe try the wUSB guys they are a treasure trove of information and can chat for hours
-consider breaking each podcast into one sport only (or, give a time breakdown of each subject)
-interview coaches?  asst coaches?  players?  recruits?  alums?


keep on doing what youre doing.  we need more fans like you.  GO SB
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The Pod Cast was really good plenty of useful  information.    Good job !

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Sometimes I wonder what if Hofstra didn’t drop football. Would that have been good for Stony Brook in the long run? Sure we benefited short term by the transfers, but I would have loved to play them yearly in CAA. There would have been a Nassau/Suffolk rivalry game. Would have created more buzz in Long Island. On the other hand may be we would be fighting for the same recruits. May be we won’t even be in CAA because they would have blocked us like they did for all sports!  ::)

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Sometimes I wonder what if Hofstra didn’t drop football. Would that have been good for Stony Brook in the long run? Sure we benefited short term by the transfers, but I would have loved to play them yearly in CAA. There would have been a Nassau/Suffolk rivalry game. Would have created more buzz in Long Island. On the other hand may be we would be fighting for the same recruits. May be we won’t even be in CAA because they would have blocked us like they did for all sports!  ::)

Interesting scenario to ponder. I also don't know if we make the playoffs in 11 and 12 without that talent bump. It is good to have a rivalry to drive fan interest and support within the state though. Albany hasn't quite been cutting it and we're in a different sub-division to UB. Hofstra would have tried to block us and Albany, but I don't know if they'd had been as successful for CAAF. Hofstra being a private vs us being public, I think the rivalry would have helped, but being totally different institutions all together, I think we'd have been just fine from a recruiting standpoint. We're not any less of what we are if they still have football. We'd still have the facilities, the budget, AAU membership, etc.
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I like the 4 home-home games scheduled with Fordham next 4 year’s. May be they can provide a new NYC/LI rivalry spark. May be lol.

I think Fordham wants to improve but stuck in Patriot League. Patriot League as a whole needs to make a decision. They need to commit to either fully follow their role model Ivy League or be fully competitive. They are in between and it’s not helping them. Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever leaves.

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Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever leaves.

I am pretty certain the PL does have red shirting...for example I know Holy Cross' QB is a 5th year senior and thanks to being redshirted was able to be the rare (or maybe only) 4 year football captain.

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I like the 4 home-home games scheduled with Fordham next 4 year’s. May be they can provide a new NYC/LI rivalry spark. May be lol.

I think Fordham wants to improve but stuck in Patriot League. Patriot League as a whole needs to make a decision. They need to commit to either fully follow their role model Ivy League or be fully competitive. They are in between and it’s not helping them. Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever leaves.

Fordham is a potential add if JMU, or any other programs leave.

Fordham
Monmouth
Howard
Hampton
CCSU
Youngstown St.
Robert Morris
Kennesaw St.

could all be backfills if 1-3 teams leave in no particular order. All could be great additions, but none are worth proactively expanding for.  JMU will be the next team out the door and then we'll see. Delaware is likely to follow if JMU goes. Hopefully by then we're not far from an FBS invite either. A pretty attractive conference of east coast G5 schools could be made if the AAC gets raided by the Big 12 and implodes during the next great realignment shuffle.

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Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever leaves.

I am pretty certain the PL does have red shirting...for example I know Holy Cross' QB is a 5th year senior and thanks to being redshirted was able to be the rare (or maybe only) 4 year football captain.

PL only allows medical redshirting if I am not mistaken. May be they changed the rule recently.

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I like the 4 home-home games scheduled with Fordham next 4 year’s. May be they can provide a new NYC/LI rivalry spark. May be lol.

I think Fordham wants to improve but stuck in Patriot League. Patriot League as a whole needs to make a decision. They need to commit to either fully follow their role model Ivy League or be fully competitive. They are in between and it’s not helping them. Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever leaves.

Fordham is a potential add if JMU, or any other programs leave.

Fordham
Monmouth
Howard
Hampton
CCSU
Youngstown St.
Robert Morris
Kennesaw St.

could all be backfills if 1-3 teams leave in no particular order. All could be great additions, but none are worth proactively expanding for.  JMU will be the next team out the door and then we'll see. Delaware is likely to follow if JMU goes. Hopefully by then we're not far from an FBS invite either. A pretty attractive conference of east coast G5 schools could be made if the AAC gets raided by the Big 12 and implodes during the next great realignment shuffle.

Besides Fordham and Youngstown, none of the rest really excite me. Even these two won’t make up for the loss of JMU and Delaware.

JMU has been FBS ready. But they don’t want go to Sunbelt which has no peer school.. wisely. Delaware will be starting to renovate and upgrade their stadium soon. I think they both want to get in AAC or otherwise will stay at FCS. But you are right though, no change will happen until Big 12 adds more. And Big 12 will add more because need a real conference title game... not the fake title game they are starting this year.

I just hope we continue to win and make buzz. And be ready when the right opportunity comes along. We don’t need real 15k attendance for FBS invite. Coastal is a prime example. As you mentioned earlier we have the facilities, budget, and prestige. I love what we are doing now in CAA. And keep working hard to be a better candidate than JMU and Delaware when AAC eventually comes calling in 5/6 years. I would decline any invite from sunbelt or cusa like JMU and wait for AAC. I am not even interested in MAC anymore. CAA>MAC in my opinion. Peer schools. Relatable. Rather than Akron or Ball state. Even presence of Buffalo doesn’t entice me.
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Besides Fordham and Youngstown, none of the rest really excite me. Even these two won’t make up for the loss of JMU and Delaware.

JMU has been FBS ready. But they don’t want go to Sunbelt which has no peer school.. wisely. Delaware will be starting to renovate and upgrade their stadium soon. I think they both want to get in AAC or otherwise will stay at FCS. But you are right though, no change will happen until Big 12 adds more. And Big 12 will add more because need a real conference title game... not the fake title game they are starting this year.

I just hope we continue to win and make buzz. And be ready when the right opportunity comes along. We don’t need real 15k attendance for FBS invite. Coastal is a prime example. As you mentioned earlier we have the facilities, budget, and prestige. I love what we are doing now in CAA. And keep working hard to be a better candidate than JMU and Delaware when AAC eventually comes calling in 5/6 years. I would decline any invite from sunbelt or cusa like JMU and wait for AAC. I am not even interested in MAC anymore. CAA>MAC in my opinion. Peer schools. Relatable. Rather than Akron or Ball state. Even presence of Buffalo doesn’t entice me.

It's slim pickings once schools start leaving the CAA. The league is a strong as it's going to be going forward until schools start leaving. None of those schools are very exciting, but that's all that's left.

I agree the MAC isn't very exciting, but as the only realistic path to FBS, it might be worth considering. Though save for Buffalo, and whoever of NIU/Toledo/WMU is hot in the west that year, I have zero interest in any of those schools. It's a tough position. Going the Umass route is a non-starter I think, but compared to a MAC schedule, I think an independent schedule could be much more interesting. Now that Liberty is FBS, it's hard to block other schools from going FBS Indy. If we can knock off JMU and/or make a deep playoff run, the FBS buzz is going to start up again. It always does when desirable schools start winning.  I believe we were actually in talks with the MAC about being their 14th team if Umass joined for all-sports.

JMU and Delaware can want the AAC, but the AAC won't take any FCS schools in it's current state. Once this Power 6 thing they have falls apart after their best programs get raided by a gutted Big 12, they may change their tune. I'd also love a new east coast G5 conference that was once being rumored years ago. the following would be nice:

Stony Brook, UNH, Uconn (FB only), Umass, Buffalo, Temple, Delaware, JMU, ODU, Marshall, ECU, Georgia St. 

In the meantime, I think our current situation is excellent as we're in geographically logical leagues for both major sports. The AE being strong this year in BB is a huge bonus too. Though I'd like an all-sports move to the A10. That's the best non-FBS move we can make. I couldn't give a damn about the CAA all-sports conference anymore. Moving from one 1-bid league to another makes little sense. Serves Hofstra right for trying to block us.

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Besides Fordham and Youngstown, none of the rest really excite me. Even these two won’t make up for the loss of JMU and Delaware.

JMU has been FBS ready. But they don’t want go to Sunbelt which has no peer school.. wisely. Delaware will be starting to renovate and upgrade their stadium soon. I think they both want to get in AAC or otherwise will stay at FCS. But you are right though, no change will happen until Big 12 adds more. And Big 12 will add more because need a real conference title game... not the fake title game they are starting this year.

I just hope we continue to win and make buzz. And be ready when the right opportunity comes along. We don’t need real 15k attendance for FBS invite. Coastal is a prime example. As you mentioned earlier we have the facilities, budget, and prestige. I love what we are doing now in CAA. And keep working hard to be a better candidate than JMU and Delaware when AAC eventually comes calling in 5/6 years. I would decline any invite from sunbelt or cusa like JMU and wait for AAC. I am not even interested in MAC anymore. CAA>MAC in my opinion. Peer schools. Relatable. Rather than Akron or Ball state. Even presence of Buffalo doesn’t entice me.

It's slim pickings once schools start leaving the CAA. The league is a strong as it's going to be going forward until schools start leaving. None of those schools are very exciting, but that's all that's left.

I agree the MAC isn't very exciting, but as the only realistic path to FBS, it might be worth considering. Though save for Buffalo, and whoever of NIU/Toledo/WMU is hot in the west that year, I have zero interest in any of those schools. It's a tough position. Going the Umass route is a non-starter I think, but compared to a MAC schedule, I think an independent schedule could be much more interesting. Now that Liberty is FBS, it's hard to block other schools from going FBS Indy. If we can knock off JMU and/or make a deep playoff run, the FBS buzz is going to start up again. It always does when desirable schools start winning.  I believe we were actually in talks with the MAC about being their 14th team if Umass joined for all-sports.

JMU and Delaware can want the AAC, but the AAC won't take any FCS schools in it's current state. Once this Power 6 thing they have falls apart after their best programs get raided by a gutted Big 12, they may change their tune. I'd also love a new east coast G5 conference that was once being rumored years ago. the following would be nice:

Stony Brook, UNH, Uconn (FB only), Umass, Buffalo, Temple, Delaware, JMU, ODU, Marshall, ECU, Georgia St. 

In the meantime, I think our current situation is excellent as we're in geographically logical leagues for both major sports. The AE being strong this year in BB is a huge bonus too. Though I'd like an all-sports move to the A10. That's the best non-FBS move we can make. I couldn't give a damn about the CAA all-sports conference anymore. Moving from one 1-bid league to another makes little sense. Serves Hofstra right for trying to block us.

That would be a dream come true.. but for some reason, historically big football schools from northeast megapolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis) fight with each other rather that working with each other. Schools routinely blocking each other from the top of the chain in Old Big East, ACC, etc to the bottom chain in CAA/Hofstra! lol I hope Umass, Uconn, Temple etc come to senses and realize the potential for a great conference in this region.

I also agree that we are in sweet position now.. with logical leagues for both major sports. Just need to keep winning in both :) If we have a run like JMU did last year to FCS title, we would get 100 times more media exposure and publicity.. just for being close to NYC and being a top National research university.

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Either drop scholarships and be like Ivy, or add red-shirting and be like CAA. Most of them have pretty good facilities for FCS standard. Or may be Fordham can get into CAA if JMU ever leaves.

I am pretty certain the PL does have red shirting...for example I know Holy Cross' QB is a 5th year senior and thanks to being redshirted was able to be the rare (or maybe only) 4 year football captain.

You could be right, at least in Holy Cross' case I know the QB was a medical redshirt...which is how he became a 4 year captain...redshirt actually occurred in his senior year and due to a strong freshman year, he's been a captain since his sophomore year

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I think the MAC with Buffalo, Massachusetts, and Stony Brook would bring some interest for the Stony Brook fan. The problem with UMass is that I'm not sure they want to leave the A10 for MAC Basketball. If we could find a fourth school in the Northeast area to join the MAC that would work well. Hey... who knows... can they add Army?
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Besides Fordham and Youngstown, none of the rest really excite me. Even these two won’t make up for the loss of JMU and Delaware.

JMU has been FBS ready. But they don’t want go to Sunbelt which has no peer school.. wisely. Delaware will be starting to renovate and upgrade their stadium soon. I think they both want to get in AAC or otherwise will stay at FCS. But you are right though, no change will happen until Big 12 adds more. And Big 12 will add more because need a real conference title game... not the fake title game they are starting this year.

I just hope we continue to win and make buzz. And be ready when the right opportunity comes along. We don’t need real 15k attendance for FBS invite. Coastal is a prime example. As you mentioned earlier we have the facilities, budget, and prestige. I love what we are doing now in CAA. And keep working hard to be a better candidate than JMU and Delaware when AAC eventually comes calling in 5/6 years. I would decline any invite from sunbelt or cusa like JMU and wait for AAC. I am not even interested in MAC anymore. CAA>MAC in my opinion. Peer schools. Relatable. Rather than Akron or Ball state. Even presence of Buffalo doesn’t entice me.

It's slim pickings once schools start leaving the CAA. The league is a strong as it's going to be going forward until schools start leaving. None of those schools are very exciting, but that's all that's left.

I agree the MAC isn't very exciting, but as the only realistic path to FBS, it might be worth considering. Though save for Buffalo, and whoever of NIU/Toledo/WMU is hot in the west that year, I have zero interest in any of those schools. It's a tough position. Going the Umass route is a non-starter I think, but compared to a MAC schedule, I think an independent schedule could be much more interesting. Now that Liberty is FBS, it's hard to block other schools from going FBS Indy. If we can knock off JMU and/or make a deep playoff run, the FBS buzz is going to start up again. It always does when desirable schools start winning.  I believe we were actually in talks with the MAC about being their 14th team if Umass joined for all-sports.

JMU and Delaware can want the AAC, but the AAC won't take any FCS schools in it's current state. Once this Power 6 thing they have falls apart after their best programs get raided by a gutted Big 12, they may change their tune. I'd also love a new east coast G5 conference that was once being rumored years ago. the following would be nice:

Stony Brook, UNH, Uconn (FB only), Umass, Buffalo, Temple, Delaware, JMU, ODU, Marshall, ECU, Georgia St. 

In the meantime, I think our current situation is excellent as we're in geographically logical leagues for both major sports. The AE being strong this year in BB is a huge bonus too. Though I'd like an all-sports move to the A10. That's the best non-FBS move we can make. I couldn't give a damn about the CAA all-sports conference anymore. Moving from one 1-bid league to another makes little sense. Serves Hofstra right for trying to block us.

That would be a dream come true.. but for some reason, historically big football schools from northeast megapolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis) fight with each other rather that working with each other. Schools routinely blocking each other from the top of the chain in Old Big East, ACC, etc to the bottom chain in CAA/Hofstra! lol I hope Umass, Uconn, Temple etc come to senses and realize the potential for a great conference in this region.

I also agree that we are in sweet position now.. with logical leagues for both major sports. Just need to keep winning in both :) If we have a run like JMU did last year to FCS title, we would get 100 times more media exposure and publicity.. just for being close to NYC and being a top National research university.

That's because they are fighting to get the a share of the extremely small pie of attention that College football gathers in this region. The NFL dominates this part of the country like no other (there are historical reasons for that. NFL was centered in the NE from early on and the fall of the Ivy destroyed all College Football traditions). Even at the highest level, College Football is an afterthought for most people in this part of the country. Look at BC/Syracuse/Rutgers - the highest level of Power 5 CFB and it barely draws 30-40k fans per game.


Life is rough in this region. Whatever we do we have to think smart in financially... adding 20 more scholarships and leaving the playoffs behind needs to be justified first - we seriously need an sustainable attendance bump or a conference that will bring in extra $$$
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