Author Topic: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation, FBS Football, etc  (Read 25729 times)

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where is the link?  i dont see it...

also i wonder what is the purpose of this move, meaning are there larger CAA implications behind it, etc.
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where is the link?  i dont see it...

also i wonder what is the purpose of this move, meaning are there larger CAA implications behind it, etc.

I think there could be.

http://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2017/6/1/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-june-1-2017.aspx?path=blog

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Kylie Ohlmiller doesnt win the Tewaaraton award is another reason why SB needs to part ways with the AE conference. She shattered records in both points and assists and gets the cold shoulder from the committee. Thats twice in one month SBWL gots screwed because of this bottom dweller conference.

I sure hope SH breaks away from the AE and becomes full member of the CAA.

Some people on this board thinks the CAA is in par with the AE, I dont and the proof is in the pudding.

I feel bad for Kylie. She had all the accolades to win the award, and she should have....

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Just about any other conference affiliation and she wins.  The AE has become a liability for us and our athletes .  I have to feel for her as the best of the best and not making it.

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Kylie Ohlmiller doesnt win the Tewaaraton award is another reason why SB needs to part ways with the AE conference. She shattered records in both points and assists and gets the cold shoulder from the committee. Thats twice in one month SBWL gots screwed because of this bottom dweller conference.

I sure hope SH breaks away from the AE and becomes full member of the CAA.

Some people on this board thinks the CAA is in par with the AE, I dont and the proof is in the pudding.

I feel bad for Kylie. She had all the accolades to win the award, and she should have....
I'll shed some light on Tewaaratan award.  The Maryland girl won it because she is a senior, who not only scored points, but took draws, while Kylie is only a junior.  Kylie will win the Award next year.
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Kylie Ohlmiller doesnt win the Tewaaraton award is another reason why SB needs to part ways with the AE conference. She shattered records in both points and assists and gets the cold shoulder from the committee. Thats twice in one month SBWL gots screwed because of this bottom dweller conference.

I sure hope SH breaks away from the AE and becomes full member of the CAA.

Some people on this board thinks the CAA is in par with the AE, I dont and the proof is in the pudding.

I feel bad for Kylie. She had all the accolades to win the award, and she should have....
I'll shed some light on Tewaaratan award.  The Maryland girl won it because she is a senior, who not only scored points, but takes draws, while Kylie is only a junior.  Kylie will win the Award next year.
Outside of maybe football, the CAA gets zero respect!
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The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the CAA..

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The AE has already had two tewaaraton winners, Lyle and Miles Thompson shared it in 2014 and Lyle in 2015. If SB would have beat Maryland it would have been a different story. Voting is done after the playoffs and championship is over.

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The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the CAA..

Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement within the A-10.

A few reasons why:

First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in the middle of the conference's footprint.

Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to basketball.

Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.

And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is already a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA (Richmond, Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).

Pitfalls:

No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one option for Stony Brook as well.

Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some — St. Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.

Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in the America East.

All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three years away from even seriously considering a conference move. The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA, but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they make moves.
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The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the CAA..

Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement within the A-10.

A few reasons why:

First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in the middle of the conference's footprint.

Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to basketball.

Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.

And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is already a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA (Richmond, Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).

Pitfalls:

No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one option for Stony Brook as well.

Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some — St. Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.

Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in the America East.

All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three years away from even seriously considering a conference move. The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA, but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they make moves.

A move to the A10 would be a great one. It's the only realignment move I'd support that didn't involve an FBS league. Unlike moving to the CAA, which in my mind would be a lateral move (one 1 bid conference to another), the A10 is consistently a multi-bid conference that you can expect to put at least three teams a year into the NCAA tournament. That is worth moving for. Move up, not laterally. I'd tell the CAA to go pound sand as all their good teams are gone. Increasing the travel budget for what? Just so we can play UNC Wilmington and College of Charleston? JMU is out the door anyway as I'm sure they'll get the call from an FBS league soon enough. Hofstra can be a non-conference game. Serves them right for trying to keep us out.

The problem with the A10 is that why would they expand right now? They're already at 14 and if they lose members, there's really no impetus for them to expand as they could lose as many as three schools and just go to a full double round-robin with 11 teams 20 games. Unless there have been actual talks between us and the A10, I wouldn't expect an invite from them. I'd love to be in that league, but I just don't see an invite coming anytime soon from them. I guess IF a team left the A10 (VCU, Dayton, St. Louis are all rumored targets of other conferences) there'd be a chance we'd get the call, but I wouldn't count on it.

I think personally we'll remain in the AE until we get the call from an FBS league (probably the MAC). I wouldn't mind a football only move to any of the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt though. Especially if it meant we could either keep everything else in the AE or potentially the A10 if we did get that invite. That would ideal if you ask me. Outside of Buffalo nobody in the MAC interests me and sending the Olympic sports to Ohio and Michigan every week may not be worth it compared to what we have going for us in the AE. I'd do it though if it were our only ticket to FBS.

I'd be ok with football only in CUSA or the Sun Belt too. You can't complain about playing South Alabama, Middle Tennessee, or Georgia State when you used to share a league with Gardner Webb and Presbyterian.
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The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the CAA..

Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement within the A-10.

A few reasons why:

First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in the middle of the conference's footprint.

Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to basketball.

Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.

And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is already a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA (Richmond, Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).

Pitfalls:

No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one option for Stony Brook as well.

Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some — St. Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.

Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in the America East.

All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three years away from even seriously considering a conference move. The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA, but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they make moves.

A move to the A10 would be a great one. It's the only realignment move I'd support that didn't involve an FBS league. Unlike moving to the CAA, which in my mind would be a lateral move (one 1 bid conference to another), the A10 is consistently a multi-bid conference that you can expect to put at least three teams a year into the NCAA tournament. That is worth moving for. Move up, not laterally. I'd tell the CAA to go pound sand as all their good teams are gone. Increasing the travel budget for what? Just so we can play UNC Wilmington and College of Charleston? JMU is out the door anyway as I'm sure they'll get the call from an FBS league soon enough. Hofstra can be a non-conference game. Serves them right for trying to keep us out.

The problem with the A10 is that why would they expand right now? They're already at 14 and if they lose members, there's really no impetus for them to expand as they could lose as many as three schools and just go to a full double round-robin with 11 teams 20 games. Unless there have been actual talks between us and the A10, I wouldn't expect an invite from them. I'd love to be in that league, but I just don't see an invite coming anytime soon from them. I guess IF a team left the A10 (VCU, Dayton, St. Louis are all rumored targets of other conferences) there'd be a chance we'd get the call, but I wouldn't count on it.

I think personally we'll remain in the AE until we get the call from an FBS league (probably the MAC). I wouldn't mind a football only move to any of the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt though. Especially if it meant we could either keep everything else in the AE or potentially the A10 if we did get that invite. That would ideal if you ask me. Outside of Buffalo nobody in the MAC interests me and sending the Olympic sports to Ohio and Michigan every week may not be worth it compared to what we have going for us in the AE. I'd do it though if it were our only ticket to FBS.

I'd be ok with football only in CUSA or the Sun Belt too. You can't complain about playing South Alabama, Middle Tennessee, or Georgia State when you used to share a league with Gardner Webb and Presbyterian.
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I would love to see SBB play in the A10 but dont see that happening, in my lifetime.. Besides, having a school participate in 3 different conferences really doesn't make sense..

Unless SH has strong plans to help the football team make the leap into the FBS, SB is better off staying in the CAA . AS far as BB and all other sports in the AE, the CAA is a step up in my opinion. The girls Lacrosse team should not be playing in the AE. Outside of UA and Vermont the AE is horrible for basketball. I'd expect UA will be making the move out of the AE in all sports withing the next 3 to 5 years. SB will probably follow little brother..

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The CAA is SB only choice. Odds are we'll never see them play in a power conference like the Big10 in our lifetime. Either stay in the AE or move into the CAA. I would rather take the CAA..

Here's my prediction: Stony Brook keeps a close eye on movement within the A-10.

A few reasons why:

First, it fits geographically. As with the AE, New York sits in the middle of the conference's footprint.

Second, the A-10 has about as high a profile as you can get outside the Power 5 conferences, particularly when it comes to basketball.

Third, Stony Brook would likely be an attractive addition for the A-10 as well, which would add another program in the lucrative New York market and gives the conference an immediate boost in some other sports like Women's Lacrosse and baseball.

And fourth, it doesn't sponsor football. Which means Stony Brook could keep it's affiliation with the CAA while still elevating men's basketball — and every other sport. Plus there is already a strong connection between the A-10 and the CAA (Richmond, Rhode Island and UMass all have joint membership).

Pitfalls:

No men's lacrosse. The A-10 sponsors WLAX but not currently the men. UMass plays Men's lacrosse with the CAA, that could be one option for Stony Brook as well.

Travel: Most members are along the I-95 corridor, but some — St. Louis, Dayton, Duquesne — are a hike.

Competition: Obviously a tougher conference means tougher competition. Stony Brook will have to be comfortable being a middling program for at least a few years instead of top dog in the America East.

All this being said, I think Stony Brook is no fewer than three years away from even seriously considering a conference move. The window might have been open a few years back with the CAA, but I think basketball needs a few more years of consistent success (and another NCAA bid or two would be nice) before they make moves.

A move to the A10 would be a great one. It's the only realignment move I'd support that didn't involve an FBS league. Unlike moving to the CAA, which in my mind would be a lateral move (one 1 bid conference to another), the A10 is consistently a multi-bid conference that you can expect to put at least three teams a year into the NCAA tournament. That is worth moving for. Move up, not laterally. I'd tell the CAA to go pound sand as all their good teams are gone. Increasing the travel budget for what? Just so we can play UNC Wilmington and College of Charleston? JMU is out the door anyway as I'm sure they'll get the call from an FBS league soon enough. Hofstra can be a non-conference game. Serves them right for trying to keep us out.

The problem with the A10 is that why would they expand right now? They're already at 14 and if they lose members, there's really no impetus for them to expand as they could lose as many as three schools and just go to a full double round-robin with 11 teams 20 games. Unless there have been actual talks between us and the A10, I wouldn't expect an invite from them. I'd love to be in that league, but I just don't see an invite coming anytime soon from them. I guess IF a team left the A10 (VCU, Dayton, St. Louis are all rumored targets of other conferences) there'd be a chance we'd get the call, but I wouldn't count on it.

I think personally we'll remain in the AE until we get the call from an FBS league (probably the MAC). I wouldn't mind a football only move to any of the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt though. Especially if it meant we could either keep everything else in the AE or potentially the A10 if we did get that invite. That would ideal if you ask me. Outside of Buffalo nobody in the MAC interests me and sending the Olympic sports to Ohio and Michigan every week may not be worth it compared to what we have going for us in the AE. I'd do it though if it were our only ticket to FBS.

I'd be ok with football only in CUSA or the Sun Belt too. You can't complain about playing South Alabama, Middle Tennessee, or Georgia State when you used to share a league with Gardner Webb and Presbyterian.
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I would love to see SBB play in the A10 but dont see that happening, in my lifetime.. Besides, having a school participate in 3 different conferences really doesn't make sense..

Unless SH has strong plans to help the football team make the leap into the FBS, SB is better off staying in the CAA . AS far as BB and all other sports in the AE, the CAA is a step up in my opinion. The girls Lacrosse team should not be playing in the AE. Outside of UA and Vermont the AE is horrible for basketball. I'd expect UA will be making the move out of the AE in all sports withing the next 3 to 5 years. SB will probably follow little brother..

I would love to see SBB play in the A10 but dont see that happening, in my lifetime.. Besides, having a school participate in 3 different conferences really doesn't make sense..

Unless SH has strong plans to help the football team make the leap into the FBS, SB is better off staying in the CAA . AS far as BB and all other sports in the AE, the CAA is a step up in my opinion. The girls Lacrosse team should not be playing in the AE. Outside of UA and Vermont the AE is horrible for basketball. I'd expect UA will be making the move out of the AE in all sports withing the next 3 to 5 years. SB will probably follow little brother..

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 The A10 is very competitive in basketball   and  possibly baseball .   I don't know if that's the best move . I like the idea of the MAC or the AAC  long term both at FBS Conferences with decent teams.  Hopefully expanding the stadium, building the indoor facility  and our academic profile overall  ill get us there someday.

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I think we could be FBS in 10 years easily. The only things holding us back are the stadium and attendance. Get those up and we're a shoe-in. Even our horrid football these past four seasons can't hold us back from our potential. Ideally I'd like us to be FBS by 2024 so we can be in the door before the next CFP TV contract gets negotiated, but even if we're not that's ok. We'll get there.

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I agree  with you VA Seawolf.  It  could be  very nice to watch FBS games .

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There are several obstacles that have to take place for SBU to go up to the FBS and they are a follows; I believe you need your stadium to have 25,000 seats, right now it costs $2M a year to run the football program when you move up it goes to around $5M a year (that includes more scholarships, travel budget, coaching budget), Etc.