Author Topic: 2012-2020: Future of SBU Football - Conference Affiliation, FBS Football, etc  (Read 25824 times)

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If the coaching staff had started Bednarski right off the bat, we win both the Bryant and ND games, we are sitting at 6-4 right now, and we are in the top 25 in the FCS coaches poll.  that simple.  and..... maybe we win the UCONN game too.

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  The last two minutes  of the game against JMU was painful to watch. We are so slow getting a play called  and the execution wasn't all that good . I hope to see improvement next year but for now we look lifeless out there.  Several  experts on the AGS  board feel we are trying too hard not to lose and not trying to win. I have to agree with them . Granted   JMU has a super star at QB  but they executed better even when  they went to their hurry up offense. I watched a ton of time click off the clock as we struggled to  get a play started. So wait until next year.

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Seawolf:  excellent points on the two minute offense, or lack there of.  on that final drive, we got the ball back with more than 4 mins on the clock.  I too was surprised to see how the offense moved with no sense of urgency.  we ran three running plays in that series which continued to run the clock.  I had a chance to ask an offensive player after the game about what transpired in the last several minutes of the game, and he shrugged his shoulders and implied that 1) we dont practice 2 minute drill with any regularity, or 2) our play calling during the 2 minute drills suck.  clearly, you could tell he was frustrated.  Coaching.....

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certainly there have been some bad play calls- not just this particular drive- but also over the course of the season- and then you add in the kinder experiment (or rather, how long it went).

i just hope the staff can turn it around, because we are just a few hairs away from a really good resume on what is adding up to be a down year.
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Seawolf:  excellent points on the two minute offense, or lack there of.  on that final drive, we got the ball back with more than 4 mins on the clock.  I too was surprised to see how the offense moved with no sense of urgency.  we ran three running plays in that series which continued to run the clock.  I had a chance to ask an offensive player after the game about what transpired in the last several minutes of the game, and he shrugged his shoulders and implied that 1) we dont practice 2 minute drill with any regularity, or 2) our play calling during the 2 minute drills suck.  clearly, you could tell he was frustrated.  Coaching.....

This issue is really alarming.. SB did the same thing last year and i thought this problem would be corrected at the start of this year. I know coach P loves the whole "pound and ground" thing but, if your Offensive lineman can't move the Defensive tackles out of the way, then how can you have a very effective ground game?? SB actually is doing a much better job with the short passes for decent yardages because of the TE making crucial blocks..... Why not make that the 2 minutes drill? The WR can run out of bounds to stop the clock which also gives the coaches time to scan the fields more effectively!..... Again, this comes down to playcalling..
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Hammer- at the risk of oversimplifying- i think we are all thinking exactly that.

its so simple it reminds me of 7th grade football.  double tight, triple back, I formation, send everyone through a hole to block, block, and carry.  i really do love it.  throwback football.

but late in the game when we are down 10 or 14 or whatever, we dont have another maysonet to break 80 yards off tackle.

so we need a plan B.
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I just found this out from a friend of mine whose daughter plays fencing for NAVY.. All Cadets, who are Athletes MUST attend all Football games as student fans.. I don't know if this is a Military thing with all other military schools or just NAVY.. This is something to consider for SB. Make all the other scholarship athletes attend Football games. Obviously, if an athlete is sick or has an exam they are not required to go.. This sounds like a paramilitary organization stunt but hey, it will surely put bodies into the student section!! I would also think the NCAA would have to have their say about this stunt too!!!!!!

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its tough today.  kids rather play with facebook or smartphones or whatever.  its easier to sit on the couch.

in the idea thread, some solutions that wont get us all the way there but will help- give away free t-shirts, get schedule magnets in every dorm, give away free food at games, give away free tuition, create a loyalty program where game attendees are entered for free tuition, etc.  In the old days, RAs would knock on doors and pump kids up and tell them to walk over to Seawolves Field.  more signage with schedules, more rivalry games, get the game piped into the Bench, closed circuit TV in each room, etc.  This isnt the silver bullet, but it helps.
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Hammer, you might have something there.  the other scholarship athletes should be encouraged (required) to come out to football and basketball games to support the TWO money sports at the school.

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Chairman: just two weeks ago, we had a similar end-of-game situation with UNH, and our O could not move the ball.  I did not see us transition into no-huddle offense, either last week or against UNH. and now that I think about it, go back to the WM game, our red zone O really stunk in the overtime period.  becoming good at hurry-up O and Red Zone O takes practice practice practice.  you dont need a super mobile QB to make it work, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do just fine in thes situations, and they cant run worth a lick.  but the kids need to be trained by the coaching staff on how to make these Offenses work.  in previous seasons, we relied on Maysonet to break one loose, or for Essington to hit Norrell with a bomb down the middle of the field.  but that was Big South football, we need to get more sophisticated in the CAA to win against the best teams in the conf.

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agreed.  our run-first offense does open up these opportunities too, which is a good thing.

im also a contrarian on hurry up offense... IF you have the times out.  for example, most teams throw to the sidelines and get out of bounds, which is fine, that works.  but the defense knows this and is usually covering it.  if they show that, that might soften the middle.  it depends on what they are showing.  i like will tye on a 12 yard in for a new set of downs.

and regarding attendance: http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/msg10362/#msg10362
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you are right, we debated these points last spring, and you had an awesome list of ideas.  I really like the one about getting a better Student Commons area.  I was at Alabama this summer, and they have an awesome gathering place for the students, a circular bowl area, surrounded by eating areas and the student store.  nice place to hang out.

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Army also requires all cadets to attend football games. I don't think any other school other than the service academy do this. I don't think its a terrible idea to at least encourage the scholarship student athletes (M&W BBALL) to attend the football game even though I'm sure that it may create conflicts on their schedule with practice, training, or academics etc
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Also, the problem with a school like Stony Brook is that there is not a unified team between the administration/campus life/ and residential life to encourage attendance at athletics events. These organizations feel like they all work separately and at times it feels like they work against each other or compete for the attention of students. Most of the time while I was at the University residential life (RAs, RHDs, and etc) didn't even acknowledge that there was a football game going on at the stadium. They had their own list of events scheduled and at times they even had events with time conflicts with football. That's why I hated the whole setup. In a way they would promote "Residential College" pride but not "Stony Brook pride" which is absolutely ridiculous. Why do I give a fu** if I live in Langmuir College... I'm a Stony Brook student and a proud wolf so they should be promoting university-wide events and not their on agenda

They SHOULD BE NOTHING schedule when there is a football game on campus. the Football game and basketball games should be where all students mingle no matter whether they live in South Campus or North campus. Its sad that the administration as whole has not noticed this yet. This is why the campus is so disjointed. Students don't feel like they are part of a greater whole. They don't feel like TRUE seawolves. They just feel like students that belong to their specific Quad and that's it

in my visits to the University of Connecticut I was amazed how well they do it. They do an amazing job promoting UCONN pride. Students wear their pride everywhere they go... and not only that: If they have to Chant "UCONN.... HUSKY" at any location they would get a crowd to respond to them. Try the same at Stony Brook with the "What's a Seawolf?" and people will probably laugh at you.

and UCONN is only one example. I'm sure there is schools that do it waaaay better than them out there. The Clemsons, South Carolina, Florida, Syracuses of the world...

Honest effort has to be put in by the administrator. Real effort. This should also go hand in hand with the constructions of new facilities to enhance student life as mentioned in the Making SB Better thread

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those are very impressive insights.  I suggest that you bring them to the attention of our new AD.  I met him Saturday, and he seems very engaging and motivated to improve things at the school as they pertain to athletics.