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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2019, 11:40:12 am »
The MAC is a slightly better conference, but it's still a relatively lateral move. More money at Ohio, but I think it's easier to win the AE at Stony Brook than the MAC at Ohio. I would hope Boals or any Stony Brook coach would stay put until they get Power 5, A10 or AAC offers.

Agree, but $ talks.  Not sure how much extra SBU will poney up to keep Boals, especially after the highly visible Bing loss.  Lots of issues at play here; hope we can keep him around a few more years.
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2019, 12:03:32 pm »
If Matta wants the job, he would be difficult to turn down. If not, it would be difficult for Boals to turn down that money and opportunity. In addition to the salary, it's just so much cheaper to live out there. As far as on the court, the MAC routinely ranks as a top 10 conference in the country, whereas the America East is routinely in the bottom 10.

Whereas the last wave on this thread probably wasn't realistic, I think this very much is.

Bobcat forum is interesting.
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2019, 06:26:28 pm »
I knew this day would come one day. I just expected it to be for a program like Dayton, Xavier, Cinci, etc rather than Ohio. Does Boals really make half of what he'd make at Ohio?? I'd think we could afford to pay a little more than that for a coach. Especially given our goals as an athletic department. Boals is worth keeping around. Anyone calling for his head is crazy.

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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2019, 06:40:03 pm »
His base is $375k. If you assume that he’ll get what OU’s current guy is getting ($550k), you’re talking about a 45% increase, and that’s before any cost of living is taken into acct. We’ll see what happens.
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2019, 09:41:23 pm »
Brannen gets the job if he wants it.

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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2019, 04:59:41 am »
I knew this day would come one day. I just expected it to be for a program like Dayton, Xavier, Cinci, etc rather than Ohio. Does Boals really make half of what he'd make at Ohio?? I'd think we could afford to pay a little more than that for a coach. Especially given our goals as an athletic department. Boals is worth keeping around. Anyone calling for his head is crazy.

Give Boals what he wants. He's a keeper and letting him go for more money would be a huge blow to this BB team. Other people feel the same way.

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2019/03/ohio-mens-basketball-coaching-search-four-names-to-watch

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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2019, 08:59:58 am »
Washington State axed Ernie Kent, which could conceivably be a landing spot for Boals because their new AD, Patrick Chun, was at Ohio State for much of Boals' tenure. This one feels like a little more of a longshot but maybe?

It's not surprising either that Maurice Joseph got canned by GW.
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2019, 09:29:52 am »
I knew this day would come one day. I just expected it to be for a program like Dayton, Xavier, Cinci, etc rather than Ohio. Does Boals really make half of what he'd make at Ohio?? I'd think we could afford to pay a little more than that for a coach. Especially given our goals as an athletic department. Boals is worth keeping around. Anyone calling for his head is crazy.

Give Boals what he wants. He's a keeper and letting him go for more money would be a huge blow to this BB team. Other people feel the same way.

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2019/03/ohio-mens-basketball-coaching-search-four-names-to-watch

The team had 3 big games at home in Vermont, Albany (rival), and the first round conference playoff game, which they lost all three and two of them if not all three were absolutely embarrassing! 
I have no need for a coach of that team.
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2019, 12:55:07 pm »
I knew this day would come one day. I just expected it to be for a program like Dayton, Xavier, Cinci, etc rather than Ohio. Does Boals really make half of what he'd make at Ohio?? I'd think we could afford to pay a little more than that for a coach. Especially given our goals as an athletic department. Boals is worth keeping around. Anyone calling for his head is crazy.

Give Boals what he wants. He's a keeper and letting him go for more money would be a huge blow to this BB team. Other people feel the same way.

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2019/03/ohio-mens-basketball-coaching-search-four-names-to-watch

The team had 3 big games at home in Vermont, Albany (rival), and the first round conference playoff game, which they lost all three and two of them if not all three were absolutely embarrassing! 
I have no need for a coach of that team.

That same coach also led us to road wins over South Carolina, Rhode Island (who could win the A10), George Washington, Northern Iowa (without our best player btw), and 13 true road wins overall which is most in the country. I don't know about you, but I'm all in on trying to keep Boals. Our big weakness this year was ball movement.

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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2019, 01:34:56 pm »
I knew this day would come one day. I just expected it to be for a program like Dayton, Xavier, Cinci, etc rather than Ohio. Does Boals really make half of what he'd make at Ohio?? I'd think we could afford to pay a little more than that for a coach. Especially given our goals as an athletic department. Boals is worth keeping around. Anyone calling for his head is crazy.

Give Boals what he wants. He's a keeper and letting him go for more money would be a huge blow to this BB team. Other people feel the same way.

https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2019/03/ohio-mens-basketball-coaching-search-four-names-to-watch

The team had 3 big games at home in Vermont, Albany (rival), and the first round conference playoff game, which they lost all three and two of them if not all three were absolutely embarrassing! 
I have no need for a coach of that team.

That same coach also led us to road wins over South Carolina, Rhode Island (who could win the A10), George Washington, Northern Iowa (without our best player btw), and 13 true road wins overall which is most in the country. I don't know about you, but I'm all in on trying to keep Boals. Our big weakness this year was ball movement.
George Washington (fired their coach) game meant nothing, plus they lost to Holy Cross, worst record in the Patriot Conference! It’s all about the conference playoffs and he failed miserably! Our biggest weakness was ball movement because the coach would rather be friends with his players than coach his players.

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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2019, 01:49:22 pm »
I tend to agree with laxnation. Really good coaches occasionally lose games they should win, but don’t blow the “only games that matter” to one of the worst teams in the country.

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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2019, 02:01:51 pm »
Washington State axed Ernie Kent, which could conceivably be a landing spot for Boals because their new AD, Patrick Chun, was at Ohio State for much of Boals' tenure. This one feels like a little more of a longshot but maybe?
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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2019, 06:11:43 pm »
If you pick and choose pieces of information to support a desired outcome, you'll always make a convincing argument that supports your desired outcome.

I would argue a university and AD should never make decisions by picking and choosing bits of information from a much larger pool of history and sample. That just wouldn't make sense, and it would be stupid to do when also considering the broad landscape of college basketball and the economic realities of Long Island.

Some additional and important broad facts are: 

In his third year Boals arguably overachieved with pretty weak rosters his first two years. Let's face it, when Pikiell left the cupboard was pretty bare. Here in his third year (the first year one might argue was the first one you can assess as a mostly Boals team) he won the most regular-season games in SBU D1 history. Sure, argue about the performances and quality of opponents, but the final number doesn't lie. How many D1 teams won 24 or more games this year? 50 or so, I think. That is just, flat out, a pretty good result for SBU. If Boals is, indeed, best buds with all the players and not their coach (I don't think that's at all true, but let's say it is) then I would say being best buds must work as a strategy to get some good results!

The Stony Brook area is expensive, and frankly not a lot of people from other parts of the country are clamoring to move here (I know as I am regularly on hiring committees for academic positions in the area). Add to that, in the broad context of D1 college basketball the AE (and SBU) doesn't pay well, and the conference ranks among the lowest in the country. Right now the reality is the AE is a first stop for serious head coaches. We were lucky to have Pikiell for as long as we did, and if we have Boals for 5-10 years I'd guess we'll be pretty lucky with him, too.

Now, I am not going to suggest that the loss to Bing was not disappointing/embarrassing. In fact, in the days after I was thinking, quite frankly, that may have been the most embarrassing SBU loss I can think of in recent memory...maybe ever? I mean, sure, those numerous letdowns in previous conference tournaments were disappointing, but to lose that game to that team at home was bad.

And, yeah, it stings, but plenty of other "good" coaches and programs have lost high-stakes games.  Virginia got embarrassed last year, for sure. Duke lost embarrassing NCAA tournament games as a high seed to Lehigh and Mercer. It happens. Thing is, too, as much as we'd like to think otherwise--there is not much separation of talent among AE teams and rosters. After the Power Five teams get all the blue chips, and then all the other higher-quality conferences and teams skim off the rest of the low 4/3/high 2 star players, pretty much every AE team is scrambling to pick through the great mass of 2 star players left. I know SBU (and UVM) fans like to think they're a whole lot better than the other teams, but they're really not.

So.... let's just say after this season and taking into account a few bits of information you as the AD and university are firm in your conviction to fire Coach Boals. You demand results, and even though a lot of markers from the season are pretty good and your guy has only been here three years, you will simply not accept failure at any point.

Okay, so what's the word about SBU that spreads among the tight-knit coaching community: Uproot your family to move to really expensive Long Island and coach SBU for low pay in a $h!t conference, oh and if you win the most games in school history but lose a couple of games we think you should win you're out the door, buddy. Fired!

Hey, good luck finding your next coach and building your program. I'd say that is a stupid way to do business, all things considered.




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Re: Rumor mill: Boals/Ford on the move?
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2019, 08:31:07 am »
If you pick and choose pieces of information to support a desired outcome, you'll always make a convincing argument that supports your desired outcome.

I would argue a university and AD should never make decisions by picking and choosing bits of information from a much larger pool of history and sample. That just wouldn't make sense, and it would be stupid to do when also considering the broad landscape of college basketball and the economic realities of Long Island.

Some additional and important broad facts are: 

In his third year Boals arguably overachieved with pretty weak rosters his first two years. Let's face it, when Pikiell left the cupboard was pretty bare. Here in his third year (the first year one might argue was the first one you can assess as a mostly Boals team) he won the most regular-season games in SBU D1 history. Sure, argue about the performances and quality of opponents, but the final number doesn't lie. How many D1 teams won 24 or more games this year? 50 or so, I think. That is just, flat out, a pretty good result for SBU. If Boals is, indeed, best buds with all the players and not their coach (I don't think that's at all true, but let's say it is) then I would say being best buds must work as a strategy to get some good results!

The Stony Brook area is expensive, and frankly not a lot of people from other parts of the country are clamoring to move here (I know as I am regularly on hiring committees for academic positions in the area). Add to that, in the broad context of D1 college basketball the AE (and SBU) doesn't pay well, and the conference ranks among the lowest in the country. Right now the reality is the AE is a first stop for serious head coaches. We were lucky to have Pikiell for as long as we did, and if we have Boals for 5-10 years I'd guess we'll be pretty lucky with him, too.

Now, I am not going to suggest that the loss to Bing was not disappointing/embarrassing. In fact, in the days after I was thinking, quite frankly, that may have been the most embarrassing SBU loss I can think of in recent memory...maybe ever? I mean, sure, those numerous letdowns in previous conference tournaments were disappointing, but to lose that game to that team at home was bad.

And, yeah, it stings, but plenty of other "good" coaches and programs have lost high-stakes games.  Virginia got embarrassed last year, for sure. Duke lost embarrassing NCAA tournament games as a high seed to Lehigh and Mercer. It happens. Thing is, too, as much as we'd like to think otherwise--there is not much separation of talent among AE teams and rosters. After the Power Five teams get all the blue chips, and then all the other higher-quality conferences and teams skim off the rest of the low 4/3/high 2 star players, pretty much every AE team is scrambling to pick through the great mass of 2 star players left. I know SBU (and UVM) fans like to think they're a whole lot better than the other teams, but they're really not.

So.... let's just say after this season and taking into account a few bits of information you as the AD and university are firm in your conviction to fire Coach Boals. You demand results, and even though a lot of markers from the season are pretty good and your guy has only been here three years, you will simply not accept failure at any point.

Okay, so what's the word about SBU that spreads among the tight-knit coaching community: Uproot your family to move to really expensive Long Island and coach SBU for low pay in a $h!t conference, oh and if you win the most games in school history but lose a couple of games we think you should win you're out the door, buddy. Fired!

Hey, good luck finding your next coach and building your program. I'd say that is a stupid way to do business, all things considered.


"The Stony Brook area is expensive, and frankly not a lot of people from other parts of the country are clamoring to move here (I know as I am regularly on hiring committees for academic positions in the area)"

Moveitfred. Your writing skills and knowledge of college sports always amazes me. If you dont mind me asking, what field of work are you in? I could see you being a beat writer for ESPN or CBS..