Author Topic: 2012-13 Ranking and Bracketology Thread  (Read 4993 times)

ibosbu

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #120 on: February 20, 2013, 06:39:34 am »
Games against Div2 are not counted when these RPI, Pomeroy etc rankings are done. Only Div1 games matter. But you are right though rankings are useless in a low ranked one bid conference. There is no at large bid in stake here.

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #121 on: February 20, 2013, 07:25:41 am »
The ratings are not entirely useless. They could mean the difference between having a chance to advance to the second round of the NCAA Tournament or having no chance at all due to seeding.

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« Reply #122 on: February 20, 2013, 07:42:42 am »
True.. forgot about that. I guess because we have yet to make it to the NCAA tourney.

But ry1nik is right.. right now we are 14th seed playing against 3rd seed arizona (assuming we win AE tourney) according to ESPN bracketology:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

CBS has us against 3rd seed New Mexico:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

But if we win the AE tourney but our RPI  is much lower, then we would be 15th or 16th seed playing against 2nd or 1st seed where chances of an upset is almost Zero!
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« Reply #123 on: February 20, 2013, 07:44:30 am »
yeah umbc has a terrible ranking so playing them kills RPI

RPI = 1/4(winning percentage of your team) + 2/4 (opponent's win percentage) + 1/4 (opponents' opponents win percentage)
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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #124 on: February 20, 2013, 07:44:48 am »
At a #14 seed we have a 1 in 7 chance. Woo hoo!!

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« Reply #125 on: February 20, 2013, 07:46:55 am »
At a #14 seed we have a 1 in 7 chance. Woo hoo!!

 ;D ;D ;D
I will take that!

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #126 on: February 20, 2013, 07:47:14 am »
Ecasado, that's why I don't like RPI. It doesn't take into account that we KILLED UMBC on the court. If you're measuring the "quality" of a team with a rating, you can be sure that margin of victory reflects how good that team is (or isn't). RPI doesn't give a crap.

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #127 on: February 20, 2013, 07:47:55 am »
yeah umbc has a terrible ranking so playing them kills RPI

RPI = 1/4(winning percentage of your team) + 2/4 (opponent's win percentage) + 1/4 (opponents' opponents win percentage)

No wonder we went down in RPI

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #128 on: February 20, 2013, 07:51:43 am »
Pomeroy takes scoring margin into account without diminishing blowouts... thats why we are so high on Pomeroy ratings.. our last three wins were with large margin.

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #129 on: February 26, 2013, 01:02:17 pm »
Stony Brook #19 in Mid Major top 25! Jumped 5 spots up from last week. Go Seawolves!!!

http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php

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Also #1 in AE ranking by OBW.

http://www.onebidwonders.com/2013/02/26/america-east-power-rankings-v14/

1. Stony Brook Seawolves (20-6, 12-2 AE, W4)
Previous Ranking: 1st
Results: W 83-39 vs. UMBC, W 69-53 at Maine
Next week: Thursday at BU, Sunday at Albany


Stony Brook still has to win one of its remaining games in order to lock up the NIT autobid as a fall-back, but with a full week to go in the regular season, the Seawolves have locked up their third No. 1 seed in four years. The first two No. 1 seeds ended with disappointment for America East’s Long Island representatives, but something about this year feels different – and admittedly looks different. Ten of Stony Brook’s 12 conference victories have been by double-digits. If Stony Brook runs the table they will be the first AE champion with six losses or fewer since ’05 Vermont. And advanced stats love – I mean LOVE – the Seawolves. KenPom has SBU at No. 58 nationally as of Monday, which seemed a bit high until I saw Kyle Whelliston’s BBState ranking: No. 39. To be clear, if selection committees agreed to use a single ranking, the 58th-best team in the country would get into the NIT without an autobid, and the 39th-best team would be an NCAA at-large selection. We find that overly optimistic, to say the least, but on-balance it’s hard to argue that Stony Brook’s regular season performance shouldn’t be ranked among the very best AE regular season resume’s of recent years.


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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2013, 01:54:01 pm »
Seawolves Ranking now:

RPI:             89 ↑
Sagarin:      88 ↑
Pomeroy:    58 ↑

Looking good! Now we just need to win the AE tourney! Go Seawolves!

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2013, 11:06:19 am »
Stony Brook #13 in ESPN Mid-Major Power Rankings for the 1st time!!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/77559/mid-major-report-power-rankings-11

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2013, 11:41:52 am »
Stony Brook #13 in ESPN Mid-Major Power Rankings for the 1st time!!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/77559/mid-major-report-power-rankings-11

WOW !!! You gotta love it !!! Is his rankings the same is the BPI. RPI etc.. ?? Could it change who we verse in the Tourney, assuming we get that far !!

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2013, 12:06:18 pm »

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Re: Ranking and Bracketology Thread
« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2013, 12:19:48 pm »
Stony Brook #13 in ESPN Mid-Major Power Rankings for the 1st time!!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/77559/mid-major-report-power-rankings-11

WOW !!! You gotta love it !!! Is his rankings the same is the BPI. RPI etc.. ?? Could it change who we verse in the Tourney, assuming we get that far !!

This ESPN ranking and the other one by College Insider are both Mid-Major rankings with human elements/judgement/perception based on panelists/actual people.. kinda like High-Majors have AP and Coaches Poll...

RPI, Sagarin, Pomeroy (Kenpom) and BPI are computer generated rankings based on elements such as Win, Loss, Strength of Schedule, Home/Away, Margin of Win etc.
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