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Seawolf97

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2016, 10:15:36 pm »
The CAA  in all sports  would and should be our next move.  Whether they merge or not the CAA  is respectable and a step up for us.

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2016, 11:42:30 pm »
Not sure if the CAA in basketball makes sense for us. Both the CAA and America East are 1 bid leagues in basketball. I'd rather stick around in the AE for now.

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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2016, 04:23:25 am »
Not sure if the CAA in basketball makes sense for us. Both the CAA and America East are 1 bid leagues in basketball. I'd rather stick around in the AE for now.

Doc. The majority of div1 conferences are a 1 bid league, except for a few. I really dont see SB moving into a power conference or even a at large friendly conference  for a very, very long time!  But moving all sports to the CAA makes sense. And who knows, if SBB becomes a powerhouse in the future maybe a move into the A10 for Basketball would work.

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2016, 12:56:49 pm »
Moving to CAA makes no sense, in my opinion.. for the following reasons:

1) Both CAA and AE are one bid conferences, but CAA is more competitive. Therefore, chances of making to the NCAA tourney will be reduced.. since they are both one bid conferences, I would rather stay in AE, which we can hopefully dominate and get to the dance more often.

2) 2016 CAA is not the same as 2010 CAA.. programs like VCU and GMU all left. Even though its still more competitive than AE, the prestige factor is not there anymore.

3) We don't need CAA to move up in future. Our role model should be Gonzaga or Davidson. Davidson dominated Southern conference for a long time and ignored CAA's invites, and moved straight to Atlantic 10. Again, we don't need to join CAA to get an invite from Atlantic 10 or MAC in future.

4) CAA footprint is from the Carolinas to Massachusetts. It's a lot of travel and waste of money to be in another one bid league. We can use that money to improve our athletics infrastructure and prepare for a conference even better.

5) Lets review and learn from old AE programs that joined CAA.. like Hofstra, Northeastern and Delaware..what have they have accomplished in CAA since leaving AE?

6) The most important offer that CAA can make is that it is the best FCS football conference in the north east .. guess what?.. we are already in CAA football!

How does moving all sports to CAA makes sense?

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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2016, 06:19:40 am »
Moving to CAA makes no sense, in my opinion.. for the following reasons:

1) Both CAA and AE are one bid conferences, but CAA is more competitive. Therefore, chances of making to the NCAA tourney will be reduced.. since they are both one bid conferences, I would rather stay in AE, which we can hopefully dominate and get to the dance more often.

2) 2016 CAA is not the same as 2010 CAA.. programs like VCU and GMU all left. Even though its still more competitive than AE, the prestige factor is not there anymore.

3) We don't need CAA to move up in future. Our role model should be Gonzaga or Davidson. Davidson dominated Southern conference for a long time and ignored CAA's invites, and moved straight to Atlantic 10. Again, we don't need to join CAA to get an invite from Atlantic 10 or MAC in future.

4) CAA footprint is from the Carolinas to Massachusetts. It's a lot of travel and waste of money to be in another one bid league. We can use that money to improve our athletics infrastructure and prepare for a conference even better.

5) Lets review and learn from old AE programs that joined CAA.. like Hofstra, Northeastern and Delaware..what have they have accomplished in CAA since leaving AE?

6) The most important offer that CAA can make is that it is the best FCS football conference in the north east .. guess what?.. we are already in CAA football!

How does moving all sports to CAA makes sense?

I understand your logic ibosbu, but in my opinion the CAA is still a stronger conference all around with sports, maybe Lax being the exception because of UA. The only way to grow and get better is to play a stronger schedule within your own conference,year after year. Most student athletes prefer to go to a school that is very strong in the sport that they are in. In Football, this is definitely the case. I'd imagine for recruiting purposes, the pool for potential athletes is bigger in the CAA then the AE which ranks consistently in the basement of all div1 sports.. The CAA is a jump up from the AE and I think SB can handle the additional travel expenses as you mentioned. If UA moves out of the AE, that leaves SB as the last and only competitive school in the conference with most sports...For me, I rather be in the middle of the pack in a strong conference with multiple schools with winning records then being in 1st place in a conference that has a bad RPI and SOS multiple schools with hideous losing records.. Again, this is only my opinion and I could be wrong with my thesis...

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2016, 08:55:34 am »
Looks like we've gotten a little off track here onto a conference move discussion.

Back to the point, it looks like Rickard and probably Dougher are both headed over to Rutgers to be with Pikiell.  I think that this makes it highly unlikely that Jay Young will be SBU's choice.  He seems to have the inside track for the CCSU job, and would be losing all his cohorts with the Seawolves.

I'm really looking forward to seeing who the major candidates are.

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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2016, 11:09:59 am »
Looks like we've gotten a little off track here onto a conference move discussion.

Back to the point, it looks like Rickard and probably Dougher are both headed over to Rutgers to be with Pikiell.  I think that this makes it highly unlikely that Jay Young will be SBU's choice.  He seems to have the inside track for the CCSU job, and would be losing all his cohorts with the Seawolves.

I'm really looking forward to seeing who the major candidates are.

Me too. I'm obviously biased, but I think this is a very attractive mid major job. Our facilities and resources compared to the rest of AE should make Stony Brook an relatively easy place to win, and thus a great launching pad for a coaches career.  I think there will be some very impressive names looking to take over the helm.

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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2016, 02:54:18 pm »
They tried to move all sports to CAA when football moved and were blocked by Hofstra, who had no say in football because they dropped program. How has the move to CAA worked for Hofstra. I don't really see how moving helps. You need to win and play in national tournaments to gain recruits. Kids want exposure, they want to see banners hanging. This is not the SEC , its mid major. If its not broke then don't fix it. Look at Boise St. in football if, small conf works for them. And were exactly is all this wealth of Stony Brook money. They have to beg the public to match the funds on the indoor practice facility. Football didn't need to move. The big south had Charleston southern ranked #1 for 8 weeks last year. They were a 4 seed in the tourney. They were a 2 bid conf for second yr in a row. Coastal Carolina is moving to div 1 from that conf. When you are a mid major your goal is to qualify for the playoffs, it doesn't matter what conf your doing it from. Yes big fish in a small pond is way better than saying you play in the CAA.
 

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2016, 11:50:19 am »
Pikiell already recruiting really good players out of Jersey especially the school where Warney came from. I hope the next head coach for SB has strong ties to AAU schools close by.

http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/3590372350355534256/roselle-catholics-matt-bullock-commits-to-rutgers-and-coach-steve-pikiell/

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2016, 04:06:59 pm »
  This is going to be an interesting pick.   I expect  there will be a meet and greet once our new coach arrives and gets settled.

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2016, 10:08:39 am »
When do you guys think we'll start hearing names? I feel like it shouldn't be long.

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2016, 03:56:51 am »
Pikiell firing on all cylinders already and is building a really strong program at Rutgers. He brings in UConn assistant, Hobbs to the program. Why couldn't he do that at SB??? I suppose it's all about the mighty buck!!

http://www.onthebanks.com/2016/3/31/11340462/report-rutgers-basketball-to-hire-uconn-assistant-karl-hobbs-as

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2016, 09:44:06 am »
Pikiell firing on all cylinders already and is building a really strong program at Rutgers. He brings in UConn assistant, Hobbs to the program. Why couldn't he do that at SB??? I suppose it's all about the mighty buck!!

http://www.onthebanks.com/2016/3/31/11340462/report-rutgers-basketball-to-hire-uconn-assistant-karl-hobbs-as

Money is definitely the factor.. He has $800k budget just to hire assistants! Hobbs will probably make more that the new Stony Brook coach will make. We shouldn't compare us to Big10 programs. They have got millions and millions from football earning. Anyway, Pikiell did his best with the resources he had.

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Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2016, 11:15:40 am »
I think the answer is stunningly obvious why assistants at mid-majors don't make as much as assistants at Power 5 programs. There's really no comparison revenue wise between Stony Brook and a crappy program like Rutgers which has all of the B1G money coming to it. I don't know how anybody can take umbrage that 250k a year assistants don't come to Stony Brook. While giving Pikiell "credit" for hiring Hobbs, we should also mention that he also may have already lost the talents of the one decent player on Rutgers (Corey Sanders). He's a very talented player and the only bright spot on an otherwise horrific Rutgers team. They went winless in the Big 10 with him- I can't imagine how they can be any worse but its definitely possible now.

On a side note, I'm hearing whispers that Jay may be our coach on a short term deal to "prove" himself. Not a source I can vet thoroughly but just throwing it out there.

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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2016, 02:45:26 pm »
That would be interesting . Have to wait and see .