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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #210 on: May 17, 2020, 03:21:46 pm »
but those results werent good- in the AE tournament.  they were never good.  well, except one year.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #211 on: May 17, 2020, 06:18:25 pm »
This is now completely new to us.  I don't think we have ever entered a season where we have zero idea about whether this team is any good or not.  I have a hunch that this team is still a top half team, but it is based on absolutely nothing.  What does excite me, is that you have to think that we now have a roster for next year that all want to be here.  Returners and new comers alike have to feel like there is something to prove and we may see a team that plays more desperate then the ones we've seen the past 3 or 4 years.  I am optimistic and looking forward to this.

Top half is still a fair assumption if for no other reasons the AE is an otherwise gutter trash conference competition wise outside of the top couple of teams. Maine, New Hampshire, Binghamton without Sessoms... best those programs are able to do is barely crack the top 300 nationally (out of 355 teams).

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #212 on: May 19, 2020, 07:15:26 am »
Looks like Quari Alleyne has left the roster.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #213 on: May 19, 2020, 08:00:12 am »
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #214 on: May 20, 2020, 01:09:19 pm »
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #215 on: May 20, 2020, 01:17:14 pm »
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?

I think we need to look more at the underlying condition, rather than look at individual players. Something is going on in this BB organizing, and it isn't good. My guess is it has everything to do with Geno, but I cant confirm this. None the less, SH needs to do something, and do it fast. Unfortunately, NYS is broke and SB cant afford to buy out Geno contract.

The first mistake SB did was give Geno a long term contract out of the gate without any proven wins. How can they do that. Do year to year and see what he can do in the playoffs before locking a HC in. Dumb!!!!

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #216 on: May 20, 2020, 06:08:57 pm »
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?

Northwestern didn't make the NCAA tournament until 2017. Would we ever out-recruit Northwestern for anyone? Education quality aside the P5 draw will be too strong. It's a crappy part of the transfer process, but as has been mentioned before we're going to keep dealing with this until we're in an A-10 level conference or better. It's just how it is.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #217 on: May 20, 2020, 07:01:00 pm »
I hope I'm not in the minority that I wish Olaniyi, Garcia, Foreman, Latimer and Otchere all the success they dream of - and beyond. I know that's a bad precedence for the future of mid-majors, especially us, but I think it looks good for our program if players from Stony Brook can play at a higher level. it says multitudes about our recruiting and player development. The trick is keeping them around for their senior year, but as long as that rule's in place, it'll always be a struggle.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #218 on: May 20, 2020, 07:40:46 pm »
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?

I don't agree with this line of thinking at all.

Last year, Georgia played 19 games against teams ranked in KenPom's top 100, and just 3 games outside the top 200.
Last year, Miami played 18 games against teams ranked in KenPom's top 100, and just 3 games outside the top 200.
Last year, Stony Brook played 6 games against teams ranked in KenPom's top 100, and 23 games outside the top 200.

If you ask the top 1000 players in the country who they'd rather play for, 10 might say Stony Brook. Just a different level. I don't blame anyone for giving it a shot. And there are a million who do, find out they don't make the cut, and transfer to schools like ours.

That said, it's sad that we will worry about players being "too good" for this team and conference. Good year, good as gone. It's sad. But that will be a reality as long as we're in the AE. I'll stop short of saying that getting hired guns from the juco level and high major kickbacks each year is the new norm for us because it's not happening to everybody at our level. Remember – Stony Brook 7 transfers; rest of the AE about 2 apiece. I sure hope it isn't.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #219 on: May 20, 2020, 08:57:44 pm »
Yeah, the lights are brighter at those schools, but making the NCAA Tournament isn't a given at those schools either. They're not the top of their Power 5 conferences.

Regardless, I just hope that watching an entire starting rotation transfer to other schools - including 3 who specifically left because we weren't good enough for them - presses Shawn Heilbron to be more proactive in getting us out of the state we're in. The fact that we had three of the best players in the conference leave us should be a wake up call to the entire athletic department about why the America East is not it.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #220 on: May 21, 2020, 11:32:56 am »
I think too good for this conference is yet to be determined.  Let's re-evaluate after their playing time is done at those schools.  If you are a competitor, playing for a championship and playing 30 minutes a night would outweigh 15 minutes a game, 3 more pair of shoes and two new sweat suits.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #221 on: May 21, 2020, 12:56:16 pm »
Yeah, the lights are brighter at those schools, but making the NCAA Tournament isn't a given at those schools either. They're not the top of their Power 5 conferences.

Regardless, I just hope that watching an entire starting rotation transfer to other schools - including 3 who specifically left because we weren't good enough for them - presses Shawn Heilbron to be more proactive in getting us out of the state we're in. The fact that we had three of the best players in the conference leave us should be a wake up call to the entire athletic department about why the America East is not it.

I say it's easier to finish in the top third of a power conference and make the tournament than it is to win your conference tournament where everything is on the line. Much greater margin for error in the P5 leagues with .500 teams making it in.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #222 on: May 22, 2020, 03:04:47 pm »
Uh. Hooray?

https://twitter.com/StonyBrookMBB/status/1263873506741190656?s=20

Seriously, kudos to them. But just a weird tweet all things considered.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #223 on: May 22, 2020, 03:25:46 pm »
Uh. Hooray?

https://twitter.com/StonyBrookMBB/status/1263873506741190656?s=20

Seriously, kudos to them. But just a weird tweet all things considered.

Sort of akin to a professional athlete going free agent to another team, and the team he leaves from wishing him well.  A tad weird, unless Heilbron is trying to emphasize to his new boss, that their leaving had nothing to with him.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #224 on: May 22, 2020, 04:45:16 pm »
They likely had the graphics ready before they transferred. I don't know if I personally would have still posted them now than they ditched, but it does look 'classy' to keep it.