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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #105 on: May 10, 2020, 08:28:44 am »
I have seen nothing from Christie that shows me he's worthy of a D1 scholarship at that position and I doubt I ever will. I hope I eat my words, but I doubt it.

Christie is not a D1 player, we all know that and that's fine. Coaches make mistakes when offering kids scholarships. The bigger question should be. Does that school continue his scholarship and tie up a roster position. To me, that is hurtful to the rest of the team and quite frankly, throwing money away.

Don't be so quick to give up on Christie!  Remember Petras?  He was an abomination his 1st 2 years, and by his Senior year, he was a serviceable big man.   Also, with Otchere and Ochefu transferred out, we're suddenly a very small team.  With Mo being a wing and not a 5, and his propensity to get into foul trouble through aggressive play, we need some backup depth, IMO.  Habwe will also probably help fill that void.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #106 on: May 11, 2020, 12:45:06 pm »
An interesting get with Greene. I wonder how much getting out of the Masiello system and into a more fluid offense will help him. He came into our game with Manhattan as their leading scorer and didn't make a huge impression thank in part to our on-ball defense. It's also hard to like the way Manhattan plays. Always ugly. And I feel like they can never shoot.

His shooting numbers do leave something to be desired. Just 26 percent from deep in conference play.

HS guys playing together in college isn't completely new, but it feels like it's ramping up even more, and may spike with COVID concerns. And with three LuHi guys in uniform, I wonder if down the road we have a shot at a high D-I kickback like Curbelo, Key or Celestine. I'm guessing no on the first two in particular but maybe it's possible?
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #107 on: May 11, 2020, 12:58:05 pm »
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #108 on: May 11, 2020, 02:03:32 pm »
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

My experience in the past with this issue is usually because of the HC. To have this many transfers in one season, clearly on Geno Ford shoulders. He is a hack and needs to go before SB goes back into the dark days of D3

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #109 on: May 11, 2020, 02:04:57 pm »
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

My experience in the past with this issue is usually because of the HC. To have this many transfers in one season, clearly on Geno Ford shoulders. He is a hack and needs to go before SB goes back into the dark days of D3

My experience in the past with this issue is usually because of the HC. To have this many transfers in one season, clearly on Geno Ford shoulders. He is a hack and needs to go before SB goes back into the dark days of D3

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #110 on: May 11, 2020, 02:23:42 pm »
I have seen nothing from Christie that shows me he's worthy of a D1 scholarship at that position and I doubt I ever will. I hope I eat my words, but I doubt it.

Christie is not a D1 player, we all know that and that's fine. Coaches make mistakes when offering kids scholarships. The bigger question should be. Does that school continue his scholarship and tie up a roster position. To me, that is hurtful to the rest of the team and quite frankly, throwing money away.

Don't be so quick to give up on Christie!  Remember Petras?  He was an abomination his 1st 2 years, and by his Senior year, he was a serviceable big man.   Also, with Otchere and Ochefu transferred out, we're suddenly a very small team.  With Mo being a wing and not a 5, and his propensity to get into foul trouble through aggressive play, we need some backup depth, IMO.  Habwe will also probably help fill that void.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #111 on: May 11, 2020, 02:24:00 pm »
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

where is the garcia news?
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #112 on: May 11, 2020, 02:35:23 pm »
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

where is the garcia news?

It's embedded in the Goodman tweet.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #113 on: May 11, 2020, 02:38:58 pm »
Garcia news:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1259881628194746373?s=20

I don't know what to make of this at all. Is it because of the weird season we're about to have, or because of Geno?

I'd think, honestly, because everything is up in the air, that as a player, you'd want to keep things as normal as possible, and know that when (or if) the season begins, you're going to be a main focal point, instead of jumping blindly into a system you know nothing about.


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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #114 on: May 11, 2020, 02:52:16 pm »
Garcia news:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1259881628194746373?s=20

I don't know what to make of this at all. Is it because of the weird season we're about to have, or because of Geno?

I'd think, honestly, because everything is up in the air, that as a player, you'd want to keep things as normal as possible, and know that when (or if) the season begins, you're going to be a main focal point, instead of jumping blindly into a system you know nothing about.

We're in the wild west of college sports right now, where "free agency" rules, and everyone is out for themselves.  No allegiance any more to schools; players looking out for themselves.  And this NCAA grad transfer system plays right into that hand.  Throw this unexpected Coronavirus monkey wrench into the equation, and all bets are off.  Put yourself in Olaniyi's shoes - he knows he's not getting drafted in the NBA, he's coming off a 1st team year, and if he decides to come back to SBU and the season doesn't materialize, he's flushing a year down the drain.  Only way he can grad transfer is if he graduated in 3 years.  He's probably said I can't depend on this upcoming season being a reality and he'll play somewhere in Europe this coming year.  Garcia hears this, and along with the other SBU defections realizes that SBU won't have the expected stellar season, and he decides to enter transfer portal late to increase his professional aspirations and marketability.  If the season doesn't happen, he can turn pro too maybe, although he's not as marketable professionally as Olaniyi, IMO.   It all sucks for us fans, but this is now the reality we live in.  Foreman may be the next to defect now, although his marketability to move up to a better program is probably limited. 
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #115 on: May 11, 2020, 02:57:49 pm »
This just shows how detrimental being in the America East is. The school CANNOT accept this conference. This is a wake up call.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #116 on: May 11, 2020, 03:11:10 pm »
This just shows how detrimental being in the America East is. The school CANNOT accept this conference. This is a wake up call.

With looming NYS budget cuts, and Coronovirus about to having a major detrimental effect on college athletics at large, now is not the time to even think about moving to another conference in the near term.  Looking at the big picture, we'll be lucky at best IMO, to retain the current  portfolio of athletics teams that we have.  I do agree with your underlying message though that success at the AE level definitely lends itself to this transfer phenomenon.   
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« Reply #117 on: May 11, 2020, 03:38:50 pm »
This coronavirus is really going to postpone our plans and I’m so angry at that. But if New York State didn’t screw us over from day one we’d already be past this. Ugh.

I’m just really, really frustrated right now. Really angry. This is the school I go to. One in the ‘America East’ conference. That can’t even keep its star players from jumping ship. This was supposed to be our year. And everything just wants to stop us from happening and going back to the tournament. I’m so frustrated.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #118 on: May 11, 2020, 03:47:56 pm »
This just shows how detrimental being in the America East is. The school CANNOT accept this conference. This is a wake up call.

I agree 1000000% the lower mid-major conferences will feel it the most. Stony Brook athletics will be in big trouble when all said and done. Cuomo is a pig and is ruining NYS, and all SUNY schools.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
« Reply #119 on: May 11, 2020, 04:40:54 pm »
updated- can someone asterisk the redshirts?

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