Author Topic: Game 4: at Michigan State 11/19 (Read 584 times)

laxnation · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2017, 05:08:34 pm »

Quote from: sbufan on November 19, 2017, 05:04:07 pm

Quote from: laxnation on November 19, 2017, 04:55:07 pm
Definitely having fun watching the first half.
Still don’t know why coach is giving significant minutes to McKenzie? The kid would be better off at a lower division level.

Can you stop with this? He's going to be an AE ROY candidate. It's also just rude. I'm sure the kids see this.

Kids don’t waste their time with these forum. The coach is destroying his confidence! Hey, I hope I’m wrong and competition will be worse going forward.

Wolfie_MD · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2017, 06:14:17 pm »

McKenzie is a true freshman playing against MSU- he's held his own without a doubt.

Happy to see Olaniyi have a huge game, he's a lot of fun to watch. This brutal gauntlet at the start of the year will make AE opponents seem hopefully a lot easier. Hopefully they can get their first win soon.

laxnation · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2017, 06:30:59 pm »

Quote from: Wolfie_MD on November 19, 2017, 06:14:17 pm

McKenzie is a true freshman playing against MSU- he's held his own without a doubt.

Happy to see Olaniyi have a huge game, he's a lot of fun to watch. This brutal gauntlet at the start of the year will make AE opponents seem hopefully a lot easier. Hopefully they can get their first win soon.

McKenzie had one bucket this afternoon and didn’t even score against Ball St. Plus, he has had problems on defense. Maybe, the coach can bring him off the bench and be more of a shooting guard? There is currently too much pressure on him in running the show and defending a quicker player ever night.
This coming from someone who played point guard in high school.

Checkmate · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2017, 07:37:29 pm »

A standup effort by the guys. A lead on the #2 team in the country for 16 minutes? And into the second half at UConn and Ball State? Hey, that’s not a big recruiting line, but for little old Stony Brook, not too shabby. I’m not surprised in the least to be 0-4 and feel better about this team than I did a week and a half ago.

Shot attempts in order: Yeboah, Olaniyi, Sturdivant. I could get used to that. I thought Elijah was fantastic and he’s just what we need with Nyama gone - somebody who can get to the basket. I hope this gives him the confidence to attack.

Fourth straight game where I’ve liked what Petras did offensively. And he hasn’t gotten T’d up yet after a bucket.

With McKenzie, good timing for Brown, Bucknell, Shawnee State and St. Francis at home. Such a tough way to begin your freshman year. Dougher started with UMES, Lafayette, Wagner and American. Puriefoy had Rider, Sacred Heart, Canisius and UConn, and didn’t have to handle the reins from day one. Hoping McKenzie’s shot comes.

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Checkmate · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2017, 07:40:03 pm »

Quote from: laxnation on November 19, 2017, 06:30:59 pm

Quote from: Wolfie_MD on November 19, 2017, 06:14:17 pm
McKenzie is a true freshman playing against MSU- he's held his own without a doubt.

Happy to see Olaniyi have a huge game, he's a lot of fun to watch. This brutal gauntlet at the start of the year will make AE opponents seem hopefully a lot easier. Hopefully they can get their first win soon.

McKenzie had one bucket this afternoon and didn’t even score against Ball St. Plus, he has had problems on defense. Maybe, the coach can bring him off the bench and be more of a shooting guard? There is currently too much pressure on him in running the show and defending a quicker player ever night.
This coming from someone who played point guard in high school.

Lax, that’s just crazy. McKenzie a shooting guard? What suggests to you that he’s more suited for that role?

Best ballhandler and best passer on the team - by a lot. I’ll give him a longer leash than four games.

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OldSeawolf · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2017, 07:49:29 pm »

SBU certainly didn't embarrass themselves. I thought it would be a 30-40 point game, and 22 was certainly respectable. MSU was longer, more muscular, quicker, and more athletic than us, and yet we played a great 1st half against them. They wore us down in the 2nd half, and were really no match for them in the 2nd stanza.

To me, the greatest takeaway is Olaniyi. IMO, he's Roland Nyama on steroids. The kid is active, athletic, and oh yeah, he can shoot the ball a little bit. He definitely needs to see 25 minutes a night, IMO, moving forward.

Point guard seems like an issue to me. Don't see McKenzie or Almonacy running the point with consistency. UC is certainly an option, but I'm not totally comfortable with his dribbling skills. I do love though when he drives to the hole. He is extremely quick, and seems to finish well around the basket. Don't know anything about Cornish - is he a 1 or a 2 guard?

laxnation · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2017, 07:57:31 pm »

Quote from: Checkmate on November 19, 2017, 07:40:03 pm

Quote from: laxnation on November 19, 2017, 06:30:59 pm
Quote from: Wolfie_MD on November 19, 2017, 06:14:17 pm
McKenzie is a true freshman playing against MSU- he's held his own without a doubt.

Happy to see Olaniyi have a huge game, he's a lot of fun to watch. This brutal gauntlet at the start of the year will make AE opponents seem hopefully a lot easier. Hopefully they can get their first win soon.

McKenzie had one bucket this afternoon and didn’t even score against Ball St. Plus, he has had problems on defense. Maybe, the coach can bring him off the bench and be more of a shooting guard? There is currently too much pressure on him in running the show and defending a quicker player ever night.
This coming from someone who played point guard in high school.

Lax, that’s just crazy. McKenzie a shooting guard? What suggests to you that he’s more suited for that role?

Best ballhandler and best passer on the team - by a lot. I’ll give him a longer leash than four games.

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Not a permanent change, but to relieve some pressure off the true freshman. He just doesn’t have the penetration skills of a Dougher, Tre, or a Woodhouse. We will see what happens, but I’m a pretty good judge of talent. Hey, not every recruit going to be a winner, but it’s extremrly early in his career.

sbufan · « **Reply #22 on:** November 21, 2017, 09:39:24 am »

Quote from: laxnation on November 19, 2017, 07:57:31 pm

Not a permanent change, but to relieve some pressure off the true freshman. He just doesn’t have the penetration skills of a Dougher, Tre, or a Woodhouse. We will see what happens, but I’m a pretty good judge of talent. Hey, not every recruit going to be a winner, but it’s extremrly early in his career.

The penetration skills of Dougher? I think McKenzie has gotten into the lane more in four games than Dougher did in four years. Dougher also never averaged more than 2.1 assists per game. McKenzie is currently averaging 2.8. Also McKenzie is without a doubt a better athlete than Woodhouse, and Boals went out of his way to hide Woodhouse's inefficiencies on defense. Boals would not have put Woodhouse on Persons in the Ball State game. McKenzie definitely struggled with the assignment, but it's telling that he put McKenzie on him in the first place.

I'm genuinely just shocked by your comments and am very sure that your takes won't age well.

laxnation · « **Reply #23 on:** November 21, 2017, 12:30:56 pm »

Quote from: sbufan on November 21, 2017, 09:39:24 am

Quote from: laxnation on November 19, 2017, 07:57:31 pm
Not a permanent change, but to relieve some pressure off the true freshman. He just doesn’t have the penetration skills of a Dougher, Tre, or a Woodhouse. We will see what happens, but I’m a pretty good judge of talent. Hey, not every recruit going to be a winner, but it’s extremrly early in his career.

The penetration skills of Dougher? I think McKenzie has gotten into the lane more in four games than Dougher did in four years. Dougher also never averaged more than 2.1 assists per game. McKenzie is currently averaging 2.8. Also McKenzie is without a doubt a better athlete than Woodhouse, and Boals went out of his way to hide Woodhouse's inefficiencies on defense. Boals would not have put Woodhouse on Persons in the Ball State game. McKenzie definitely struggled with the assignment, but it's telling that he put McKenzie on him in the first place.

I'm genuinely just shocked by your comments and am very sure that your takes won't age well.

Nope, I stand by my evaluations, which are rarely if ever wrong. By the way, McKenzie seemed to be mostly a target of DII schools. Based on a little research, it looks as though McKenzie is already 20 years old. I wish him well, but it looks as though he doesn’t belong at this level.
I do love your passion about the team, but I’m not pumped by a 20 year old freshman, who has 13 fouls, 11 assists, 17 points, 1-11 from 3pt land, several turnovers, and embarrassed on the D in 91 minutes. Hopefully, the point guards in the AEC are down this year and the following 3 years.

Checkmate · « **Reply #24 on:** November 21, 2017, 01:30:47 pm »

Quote from: laxnation on November 21, 2017, 12:30:56 pm

Quote from: sbufan on November 21, 2017, 09:39:24 am
Quote from: laxnation on November 19, 2017, 07:57:31 pm
Not a permanent change, but to relieve some pressure off the true freshman. He just doesn’t have the penetration skills of a Dougher, Tre, or a Woodhouse. We will see what happens, but I’m a pretty good judge of talent. Hey, not every recruit going to be a winner, but it’s extremrly early in his career.

The penetration skills of Dougher? I think McKenzie has gotten into the lane more in four games than Dougher did in four years. Dougher also never averaged more than 2.1 assists per game. McKenzie is currently averaging 2.8. Also McKenzie is without a doubt a better athlete than Woodhouse, and Boals went out of his way to hide Woodhouse's inefficiencies on defense. Boals would not have put Woodhouse on Persons in the Ball State game. McKenzie definitely struggled with the assignment, but it's telling that he put McKenzie on him in the first place.

I'm genuinely just shocked by your comments and am very sure that your takes won't age well.
Nope, I stand by my evaluations, which are rarely if ever wrong. By the way, McKenzie seemed to be mostly a target of DII schools. Based on a little research, it looks as though McKenzie is already 20 years old. I wish him well, but it looks as though he doesn’t belong at this level.
I do love your passion about the team, but I’m not pumped by a 20 year old freshman, who has 13 fouls, 11 assists, 17 points, 1-11 from 3pt land, several turnovers, and embarrassed on the D in 91 minutes. Hopefully, the point guards in the AEC are down this year and the following 3 years.

Please cite the above claim.

http://hargravesports.com/news/2016/10/4/postgraduate-basketball-jordan-mckenzie-commits-to-stony-brook.aspx?path=pgbball
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jordan-mckenzie

I'm surprised that someone with your scouting prowess would bring up stats after four games, particularly when the kid was thrown to the wolves, facing the toughest four-game stretch this program has ever seen. He has his flaws – all freshmen do – but I believe by the end of the year you will be insisting that someone hacked your account. 2017, not March.

laxnation · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2017, 08:04:05 pm »

Quote from: Checkmate on November 21, 2017, 01:30:47 pm

Quote from: laxnation on November 21, 2017, 12:30:56 pm
Quote from: sbufan on November 21, 2017, 09:39:24 am
Quote from: laxnation on November 19, 2017, 07:57:31 pm
Not a permanent change, but to relieve some pressure off the true freshman. He just doesn’t have the penetration skills of a Dougher, Tre, or a Woodhouse. We will see what happens, but I’m a pretty good judge of talent. Hey, not every recruit going to be a winner, but it’s extremrly early in his career.

The penetration skills of Dougher? I think McKenzie has gotten into the lane more in four games than Dougher did in four years. Dougher also never averaged more than 2.1 assists per game. McKenzie is currently averaging 2.8. Also McKenzie is without a doubt a better athlete than Woodhouse, and Boals went out of his way to hide Woodhouse's inefficiencies on defense. Boals would not have put Woodhouse on Persons in the Ball State game. McKenzie definitely struggled with the assignment, but it's telling that he put McKenzie on him in the first place.

I'm genuinely just shocked by your comments and am very sure that your takes won't age well.
Nope, I stand by my evaluations, which are rarely if ever wrong. By the way, McKenzie seemed to be mostly a target of DII schools. Based on a little research, it looks as though McKenzie is already 20 years old. I wish him well, but it looks as though he doesn’t belong at this level.
I do love your passion about the team, but I’m not pumped by a 20 year old freshman, who has 13 fouls, 11 assists, 17 points, 1-11 from 3pt land, several turnovers, and embarrassed on the D in 91 minutes. Hopefully, the point guards in the AEC are down this year and the following 3 years.

Please cite the above claim.

http://hargravesports.com/news/2016/10/4/postgraduate-basketball-jordan-mckenzie-commits-to-stony-brook.aspx?path=pgbball
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jordan-mckenzie

I'm surprised that someone with your scouting prowess would bring up stats after four games, particularly when the kid was thrown to the wolves, facing the toughest four-game stretch this program has ever seen. He has his flaws – all freshmen do – but I believe by the end of the year you will be insisting that someone hacked your account. 2017, not March.

http://www.phenomhoopreport.com/news_article/show/555116-open-gym-tour-look-at-6-2-16-jordan-mckenzie

Wolfie_MD · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2017, 08:29:06 pm »

Quote from: laxnation on November 21, 2017, 12:30:56 pm

Nope, I stand by my evaluations, which are rarely if ever wrong. By the way, McKenzie seemed to be mostly a target of DII schools. Based on a little research, it looks as though McKenzie is already 20 years old. I wish him well, but it looks as though he doesn’t belong at this level.
I do love your passion about the team, but I’m not pumped by a 20 year old freshman, who has 13 fouls, 11 assists, 17 points, 1-11 from 3pt land, several turnovers, and embarrassed on the D in 91 minutes. Hopefully, the point guards in the AEC are down this year and the following 3 years.

This is phenomenal

sbufan · « **Reply #27 on:** November 22, 2017, 11:18:14 am »

Quote from: laxnation on November 21, 2017, 08:04:05 pm

http://www.phenomhoopreport.com/news_article/show/555116-open-gym-tour-look-at-6-2-16-jordan-mckenzie

The same could have been said about Lucas Woodhouse who signed with a school transitioning from D2 to D1, Tommy Brenton who also went to Hargrave as PG to get more recruiting visibility and plenty of other great America East players.

I'm genuinely just surprised because I'm really excited about McKenzie.

sbufan · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2017, 11:19:04 am »

Also want to give Olaniyi a shout out as he was awesome on Sunday. Really excited about his game. He's going to have a great career.

OldSeawolf · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2017, 02:41:47 pm »

Quote from: sbufan on November 22, 2017, 11:19:04 am

Also want to give Olaniyi a shout out as he was awesome on Sunday. Really excited about his game. He's going to have a great career.

Love the athleticism that Olaniyi brings. Of all the newbies, he gets me excited the most. Disappointed with the play of our PG's to date, but you have to cut them both some slack given the level of competition that they played against. Time will tell; rest of OOC schedule will tell us a lot, and really looking forward to Cornish entering into the fray. I also want to see "The Chef" get some minutes. Really athletic body, but haven't seen much of him at all yet.

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