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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2018, 10:46:09 am »
I thought the refs were awful tonight. There was a ridiculous jumpball call, when a Vermont player climbed over the top of Petras, and that charge at the end was unconscionable.

Hopefully UC will bounce back quickly and hopefully the team will take the loss as motivation.
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I didn’t watch but the box score shows 40 fouls, in 40 minutes. A foul a minute. It doesn’t take a math major to understand the refs are ruining the college game. It’s the sports equivalent of watching paint dry.

Those two calls near the end were certainly questionable and potential momentum-stallers for SBU. That charge call off the alley-oop dunk felt like SBU's last gasp to turn a tide that seemed to have turned. Too fast/bang-bang for me...tough call for SBU...anyone see a slow replay and have an objective opinion from that?

UVM had their share of questionable calls too, so not sure all that made a difference in the outcome. With SBU missing what we have to assume would have been some UC points and defense plus UVM experience/poise at the end to control the clock and shut the door, in the end the outcome felt about right for me on this night.

Other than FT shooting (which is nice to see an improvement) just another poor shooting night for SBU from the floor. Even with all above, if SBU just shoots reasonably well from the floor they're probably right there at the end of this one. No doubt that's exactly what will shake things out for them in the playoffs--keep up the solid defense, knock down FTs, and shoot reasonably well from the field (about 43% in the UNH/UMBC wins vs 37% against UVM) and maybe they make a run. Simple, right?

To be honest, and I'll get slack for this comment but, Petris really is better off sitting out this next game against UA. He is brutal and has a very low BB IQ. He was taking 10' hook  shots and missing miserably. He even missed on a 12" layup and turned the ball over about 7 or 8 times.. He cant rebound and makes horrible fouls. You can thank Petris for the horrible FT%... He will not be missed when he graduates, not from me anyways!!!
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Have to disagree, Hammertime.  I think he's improved his post game immensely from his freshman year.  He's not very athletic, but he's a big body and decent rebounder, has a ton of heart, and his bball IQ has gone up during his tenure at SBU.  He missed a few relatively easy shots last night, but he wasn't the only one.  He needs to be in the lineup, IMO, during the playoffs, and needs 18-22 minutes at that. 

I actually liked our Senior starting lineup last night, and assuming UC is ready to go, that's who I'd start.  Olaniyi and Yeboah off the bench at the first tv timeout, for Sturdivant and Sekunda, to change the pace of the game and keep them on the floor since they are both foul prone.  Limit McKenzie and Cornish to under 20 minutes each.  This all assuming UC is a go. 
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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2018, 11:23:32 am »
I'm sure we've all got our wish lists for players, and I've got mine. No doubt if we compared we'd agree on most things, too. And I also think, because I wouldn't have the foggyist otherwise, that most players are probably putting out and improving at a rate about what they're capable of. The real gist of all this probably goes right back to recruiting and who SBU can realistically get to come here.

Blatantly obvious, I think, but:

1. We gotta roll with what we have.

2. In certain situations and against certain teams (UA being one) our "bigs" (which is really just Petras and Ochefu) have to play, and that points back to #1.

3. My overall thinking heading into the playoffs...  If SBU gets two players to have higher-impact games (primarily with points I'd say, and that would include the small group of Yeboah, UC, Olaniyi, maybe Saintel and very maybe Cornish) and if pretty much everyone else is serviceable, they can win on Saturday and then who knows.

4. If #3 doesn't happen (only one guy has a higher-impact game, bigs are completely non-serviceable, other "shooters" put up oh-fers and the team is a non-serviceable 35% or below...) they are done after Saturday.

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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2018, 12:34:07 pm »

I agree with the board that if everything goes right SB could come out of Albany with a win. Olaniyi is improving every game. Assuming UC comes back healthy, that gives SB three scorers. That's all you need. Last night it seemed only three Vermont players shot the ball. That's why I like MacKenzie. While he does not provide much scoring, he rarely forces a shot. He does a decent job setting the offense and is rarely the reason for a turnover or low percentage shot.




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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2018, 02:02:15 pm »
I thought the refs were awful tonight. There was a ridiculous jumpball call, when a Vermont player climbed over the top of Petras, and that charge at the end was unconscionable.

Hopefully UC will bounce back quickly and hopefully the team will take the loss as motivation.
Worst officiating team all year. SB got screwed there
I didn’t watch but the box score shows 40 fouls, in 40 minutes. A foul a minute. It doesn’t take a math major to understand the refs are ruining the college game. It’s the sports equivalent of watching paint dry.

Those two calls near the end were certainly questionable and potential momentum-stallers for SBU. That charge call off the alley-oop dunk felt like SBU's last gasp to turn a tide that seemed to have turned. Too fast/bang-bang for me...tough call for SBU...anyone see a slow replay and have an objective opinion from that?

UVM had their share of questionable calls too, so not sure all that made a difference in the outcome. With SBU missing what we have to assume would have been some UC points and defense plus UVM experience/poise at the end to control the clock and shut the door, in the end the outcome felt about right for me on this night.

Other than FT shooting (which is nice to see an improvement) just another poor shooting night for SBU from the floor. Even with all above, if SBU just shoots reasonably well from the floor they're probably right there at the end of this one. No doubt that's exactly what will shake things out for them in the playoffs--keep up the solid defense, knock down FTs, and shoot reasonably well from the field (about 43% in the UNH/UMBC wins vs 37% against UVM) and maybe they make a run. Simple, right?

To be honest, and I'll get slack for this comment but, Petris really is better off sitting out this next game against UA. He is brutal and has a very low BB IQ. He was taking 10' hook  shots and missing miserably. He even missed on a 12" layup and turned the ball over about 7 or 8 times.. He cant rebound and makes horrible fouls. You can thank Petris for the horrible FT%... He will not be missed when he graduates, not from me anyways!!!
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Have to disagree, Hammertime.  I think he's improved his post game immensely from his freshman year.  He's not very athletic, but he's a big body and decent rebounder, has a ton of heart, and his bball IQ has gone up during his tenure at SBU.  He missed a few relatively easy shots last night, but he wasn't the only one.  He needs to be in the lineup, IMO, during the playoffs, and needs 18-22 minutes at that. 

I actually liked our Senior starting lineup last night, and assuming UC is ready to go, that's who I'd start.  Olaniyi and Yeboah off the bench at the first tv timeout, for Sturdivant and Sekunda, to change the pace of the game and keep them on the floor since they are both foul prone.  Limit McKenzie and Cornish to under 20 minutes each.  This all assuming UC is a go.

I agree with you on most point, but Petris really should not even be in the game. He does have a lot of heart, and is the fan favorite, but i am talking about SB basketball, not some fashion show.. I am not picking on him personally, just pointing out facts. My seats are on the floor and I have a really good field of vision on all players. Petris is constantly never where he belongs, ie; near the basket for rebounds, he struggles against much smaller competition. His Hook shots are just so erratic. He cant jump, slam the rim, rebound, defend, and these are all obvious observations the average Joe can see.

Petris did improve a little in year 4, but come on!  I could improve my BB game after four years to. And i am no spring chicken!!!
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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2018, 02:03:09 pm »
I’ve been critical of McKenzie, but I thought he played at a faster pace yesterday than I’ve seen of him. Maybe going against Bel-Haines had something to do with this. I don’t need him to score; just high on the Assists and low on the TO’s. Right now I’d play him over Cornish, who’s TO + Foul total always seems to exceed Assists+Points.
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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2018, 02:09:29 pm »
I’ve been critical of McKenzie, but I thought he played at a faster pace yesterday than I’ve seen of him. Maybe going against Bel-Haines had something to do with this. I don’t need him to score; just high on the Assists and low on the TO’s. Right now I’d play him over Cornish, who’s TO + Foul total always seems to exceed Assists+Points.

I am on the fence with McKenzie. lets see if he improves next season.. I think he is ok with ball distribution but he is horrible with scoring points.. This is Div1. You should be doing it all at this level. Like i said. Time will tell with him and he could improve dramatically over the seasons!!

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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2018, 09:37:05 am »
Hoping UC is okay.

Well, all I can say after the two recent wins and this game is that without a doubt SBU can play with anyone in this conference come playoff time. If I was the higher seed in the first round or any round, I wouldn't want to play them.

i do have my doubts... but yes, encouraging.

stats are in- we only missed about 500 shots this year from behind the arc.

PS the ladies won 5 straight and are looking good at 10-6, tied for 3rd.

checkmate- thanks again for all you do- year after year.

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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2018, 09:44:25 am »
Hoping UC is okay.

Well, all I can say after the two recent wins and this game is that without a doubt SBU can play with anyone in this conference come playoff time. If I was the higher seed in the first round or any round, I wouldn't want to play them.

i do have my doubts... but yes, encouraging.

stats are in- we only missed about 500 shots this year from behind the arc.

PS the ladies won 5 straight and are looking good at 10-6, tied for 3rd.

checkmate- thanks again for all you do- year after year.

Too bad the women don't follow the men's format for playoffs, as I assume that would give SBU a home game (and maybe a few folks would show up?).  I suppose still a shot at them hosting the championship game, if things work out with some upsets.

Let me add a big thank you to Checkmate as well, for all the insightful info and getting things rolling with each game!


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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2018, 09:51:10 am »
I'm sure we've all got our wish lists for players, and I've got mine. No doubt if we compared we'd agree on most things, too. And I also think, because I wouldn't have the foggyist otherwise, that most players are probably putting out and improving at a rate about what they're capable of. The real gist of all this probably goes right back to recruiting and who SBU can realistically get to come here.

Blatantly obvious, I think, but:

1. We gotta roll with what we have.

2. In certain situations and against certain teams (UA being one) our "bigs" (which is really just Petras and Ochefu) have to play, and that points back to #1.

3. My overall thinking heading into the playoffs...  If SBU gets two players to have higher-impact games (primarily with points I'd say, and that would include the small group of Yeboah, UC, Olaniyi, maybe Saintel and very maybe Cornish) and if pretty much everyone else is serviceable, they can win on Saturday and then who knows.

4. If #3 doesn't happen (only one guy has a higher-impact game, bigs are completely non-serviceable, other "shooters" put up oh-fers and the team is a non-serviceable 35% or below...) they are done after Saturday.

this is helpful.  im with OldSeawolf on keeping Petras on.  i'd rather have a big body in the paint, then no one in the paint.

if we dont, then Brown knows to just pack in a zone and let us miss threes for 40min.  what are the odds we sink more than 8 of these AND its enough to hide our mistakes and win the game?

AVM is right on- if you only look at the production, you're only looking at half the game.  we should also focus on a player NOT making mistakes.

it's obvious what we have going- some confidence built off of very recent flashes of good play.  need to keep it going.  GO SB
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Re: Game 29: vs. Vermont 2/24
« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2018, 07:19:00 pm »
Anyone have any news on UC's availability for Saturday?   I know he was seen on campus today on crutches.
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