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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2018, 10:10:25 pm »
maine's down there too.  and in the coming weeks, we have a three game stretch against UML, bing, and maine.  we probably wont win them all but will have a chance to move out of the 8 seed.
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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2018, 10:17:17 pm »
I saw  UC , Cornish, Mc Kenzie all checking the sidelines tonight like whats next coach .   Ochefu outscored Sturdi   3-4 .  I think once he gets his confidence he will be  a factor next year.  This team is really just 5 guys taking shots hoping for the best . No leadership on the floor at all .  Turnovers I think we had 16 tonight  and 56 % from the FT line killed any hope of a win .

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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2018, 10:32:53 pm »
I saw  UC , Cornish, Mc Kenzie all checking the sidelines tonight like whats next coach .   Ochefu outscored Sturdi   3-4 .  I think once he gets his confidence he will be  a factor next year. 

Full disclosure:

Among the long-time fans around me tonight our discussion was primarily about next year: Who's coming back, what we might look like, the possibilities.... The vibe was pretty clearcut--this season feels over (even with all these games left).

It's been a long time since SBU wasn't seriously in contention somewhere at or near the top of the AE mix. Frustrating as fans as we probably like to think of this program as tailing right behind UVM and UA with a goal of surpassing them both, but this year feels like a big setback. Some combination of coaching/personnel/execution is just off.

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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2018, 11:44:44 pm »
There was nothing I saw tonight that made me think Albany UMBC has better players than SB. In fact if I was an Albany UMBC fan, I'd probably think if SB ever got it's act together, they'd be very difficult to beat in the AE tournament.

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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2018, 01:09:49 am »
First off, if we were just terrible at the free line instead of horrific, we'd have four more wins. We're so close. I feel like we're outplaying teams, but just not capitalizing on that from the line. 

I think we're playing the style of ball (pace and space from deep) that Coach Boals wants to play and is, honestly, the smart way to play in this modern version of basketball.

The problem is that we just don't have shooters. Yeboah, for sure, and Sekunda every couple of games or so, and then U.C. every blue moon, but that's it, and that's just not enough. And yet, we're so close, a couple of free throws away. Honestly.

A team that can't shoot free throws isn't going to make threes. That's basic. You can't find a poor free throw shooter who excels from deep. And we have a bunch of bad free throw shooters on our roster right now. It takes a ton of work to improve. That's what the offseason is for.

And even though his roster right now doesn't fit what he wants to do, I don't think he should adjust his style this season. We're playing for next year anyway. Boals recruited Olanyi and Cornish and McKenzie and Long, knowing the style he wants to play. Let's hope they pick up their shooting in their debut seasons, and that this is just an acclimation period (I think Olanyi is gonna be a big player for us, btw, from deep or not). You can throw Garcia in there too. He's shaking his rust off.

Let's assume Latimer and Ceesay (and Moor) can shoot, otherwise I don't know why he'd sign them. Let's see Chef play more because he's gonna man the middle next year. And once Yeboah learns how to play aggressively without fouling, he becomes our constant.

I still believe in Boals.

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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2018, 06:49:23 am »


The problem is that we just don't have shooters.



Yes. Even the Gold Coast Bank Three Point Shot is not falling this year. It's like the flu, and nobody's been vaccinated.

I hope MacKenzie puts in some serious work on a shot this off season. I like that he's been playing more, and while he makes his mistakes I get a sense he could be some version of a more settling floor general like Woodhouse was.

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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2018, 09:19:03 am »
I agree that some people think coach Boals needs to start thinking about next season. This season is lost despite what he said yesterday after the game.. For starters. As much as i like Sturdi as a person he never really progressed to be a better player. make him a bench guy. I want to see more of Ochefu. He showed a little bit more yesterday with his defense but his offense needs more work. Playing time should help. Also, more playing time for Garcia and Long.. Garcia is as raw as an egg on ice. He needs to get the two year old bench cobwebs out of his ears..Basically, SB should be playing more bench guys and less seniors. Which will never happen.. And why isn't Boals playing Almonancy?? Is he being punished?

My opinion so far of coach Boals is leaning towards him not being a HC but more of a Assistant coach. I am starting to think he doesnt have what it takes to be a HC yet, and why should $SB wait until he becomes better, eventually!! Give coach B one more season after this and if no improvement, time for the boot!!!

 

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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2018, 09:19:46 am »


The problem is that we just don't have shooters.


I hope MacKenzie puts in some serious work on a shot this off season. I like that he's been playing more, and while he makes his mistakes I get a sense he could be some version of a more settling floor general like Woodhouse was.

Not sure if it's Freshman nerves or not, but I find that he often doesn't dribble with his head up, and has a propensity to look at the ball at times while he's dribbling.  This was very evident when Maura picked his pocket last night.
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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 09:23:56 am »
I agree that some people think coach Boals needs to start thinking about next season. This season is lost despite what he said yesterday after the game.. For starters. As much as i like Sturdi as a person he never really progressed to be a better player. make him a bench guy. I want to see more of Ochefu. He showed a little bit more yesterday with his defense but his offense needs more work. Playing time should help. Also, more playing time for Garcia and Long.. Garcia is as raw as an egg on ice. He needs to get the two year old bench cobwebs out of his ears..Basically, SB should be playing more bench guys and less seniors. Which will never happen.. And why isn't Boals playing Almonancy?? Is he being punished?

My opinion so far of coach Boals is leaning towards him not being a HC but more of a Assistant coach. I am starting to think he doesnt have what it takes to be a HC yet, and why should $SB wait until he becomes better, eventually!! Give coach B one more season after this and if no improvement, time for the boot!!!

Not sure why Almonacy has become the forgotten man.  I think he has better ball handling skills and has more potential for scoring that McKenzie, but that's just my opinion.  Although Garcia has been out of the loop for 2 years, he hasn't shown me anything thus far - he is largely out of control on shots, and his hands (pass receiving) have been really poor to date.  Overall, Boals needs to do a better job.  He can't shoot FT's for the kids, but he can teach and emphasize more in practice.  His rotations and play calling is something that he can control, and I give him a C to C- in that area of coaching this year.
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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 09:43:17 am »
I saw  UC , Cornish, Mc Kenzie all checking the sidelines tonight like whats next coach .   Ochefu outscored Sturdi   3-4 .  I think once he gets his confidence he will be  a factor next year.  This team is really just 5 guys taking shots hoping for the best . No leadership on the floor at all .  Turnovers I think we had 16 tonight  and 56 % from the FT line killed any hope of a win .

i hope so.  and i hope that christie works out too, because we otherwise will have the same problems next year. 

unless we get a transfer. 

i have to admit we are AWFULLY light on bigs, both on the roster and coming in.  i cannot figure out why.  is this intentional?  are we having trouble landing bigs?  keeping bigs?  having our bigs play as a big?  should UML be beating us in the paint???
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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2018, 09:46:22 am »
First off, if we were just terrible at the free line instead of horrific, we'd have four more wins. We're so close. I feel like we're outplaying teams, but just not capitalizing on that from the line. 

I think we're playing the style of ball (pace and space from deep) that Coach Boals wants to play and is, honestly, the smart way to play in this modern version of basketball.

The problem is that we just don't have shooters. Yeboah, for sure, and Sekunda every couple of games or so, and then U.C. every blue moon, but that's it, and that's just not enough. And yet, we're so close, a couple of free throws away. Honestly.

A team that can't shoot free throws isn't going to make threes. That's basic. You can't find a poor free throw shooter who excels from deep. And we have a bunch of bad free throw shooters on our roster right now. It takes a ton of work to improve. That's what the offseason is for.

And even though his roster right now doesn't fit what he wants to do, I don't think he should adjust his style this season. We're playing for next year anyway. Boals recruited Olanyi and Cornish and McKenzie and Long, knowing the style he wants to play. Let's hope they pick up their shooting in their debut seasons, and that this is just an acclimation period (I think Olanyi is gonna be a big player for us, btw, from deep or not). You can throw Garcia in there too. He's shaking his rust off.

Let's assume Latimer and Ceesay (and Moor) can shoot, otherwise I don't know why he'd sign them. Let's see Chef play more because he's gonna man the middle next year. And once Yeboah learns how to play aggressively without fouling, he becomes our constant.

I still believe in Boals.

i agree with a lot of this- but as i have mentioned before, in 9 conference games, which did we deserve to win?  zero, i argue.

what do you like about taking nearly 30 threes a game and missing about 75% of them?  some of which are from our big.  with no inside presence to create a second chance or putback.

im actually going to assume that our incoming players cant shoot.  what evidence or reason leads us to believe otherwise???
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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2018, 10:24:30 am »

what do you like about taking nearly 30 threes a game and missing about 75% of them?  some of which are from our big.  with no inside presence to create a second chance or putback.



For whatever it's worth, a few 3 pt team stat lines to date (2017-18 season) to compare to SBU:

Oklahoma (with "the next Curry" Young cranking up a lot)  228-575  .397

Duke   186-481  .387

Gonzaga (the mid-major we all want to be)  216-588  .367

(pound it inside) U Albany  130-360  .361

SBU  192-562  .342



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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2018, 10:26:57 am »
those teams rebound.  those teams have their big (multiple) in the paint, playing physical, and taking boards.  those teams win.  we lost to UML.  gimme some stats on where a three pointer got us a win that propelled us into something other than the CBI or AE tourney.
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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2018, 10:49:47 am »
As far as 3 point plays I watched the Duke -Notre Dame the other night .  Yes both had there 3s but both teams shot in 70s from the free throw line not 56 % .  Big difference  and neither team had 16 turnovers another big difference .  We can shoot threes  when everything else is going our way but for now drive into the basket and try and score. Going to be interesting to see who Boals  offers the last scholarship to for next season . I hope he is 6'8 or taller.

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Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2018, 10:54:13 am »
so we lose by four at home.  here's the questions im asking-

we shot 10/18 on the stripe (an improvement!), shall we work on this? 

we opened the game with 1 of 9 threes and kept shooting them, finishing 7/26.  anyone think with those 19 misses we couldve taken a two and maybe hit it, maybe twice?  combine that with 5 offensive rebounds and we simply do not have a chance to win.

with seconds left down 2, we got the ball to our big, standing well behind the NBA arc for a hail mary.  i guess there's no real question here. 

our starting big goes 1/5 from three.  and 1/5 from two. no fouls drawn, 4 TOs.  do we even want an inside presence?  lyles pulls 9 boards?  maura three???

outside presence- lyles is great, but 21 attempts plus 6 more from three?  the only had the ball for 20min!

another conference game that we deserved to lose, which is now every conference game we've played in.

Just a heads up, Ty took five shots total, all from three. Zero shots inside the arc. Ty's last-second chuck was the result of there being no Plan B when Plan A  to get it to Yeboah on the block  was denied. Just horrible.

And of Lyles' 21 shots, he was 9 for 15 from two, 1 for 6 from three.
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