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Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« on: October 31, 2022, 04:20:37 pm »
FLORIDA (20-14, 9-9 Southeastern in 2021-22)
Last Game vs SBU: Florida 87, Stony Brook 62 on 12/22/21; Sayles team-high 16 points; outrebounded 40-21
Checkmate Unofficial Line: Florida -23.5
NET Ranking: TBD
KenPom Rating: Stony Brook 285, Florida 35
KenPom Prediction: Florida 84, Stony Brook 61 (nailed the spread!)
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Notables (2021-22 stats):
6-11/250 rsr F Colin Castleton 16.2 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 2.2 bpg, .546 FG%
6-0/170 jr G Trey Bonham 13.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.3 spg, .478 FG%, .348 3-pt FG%, .826 FT% (at VMI)
6-3/185 gr G Kyle Lofton 12.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 5.9 apg, 2.0 spg, .820 FT% (at St. Bonaventure)
6-4/205 so G Will Richard 12.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.2 spg, .468 FG%, .804 FT% (at Belmont)
6-3/175 gr G Myreon Jones 8.5 ppg, 1.3 spg

Here we are, gents, less than a week away from the opening tip to the 2022-23 season. I don't know about you but I feel as uncertain about this year's team as any team before it, but hopefully it comes together. At the very least, it's a new frontier and I'm happy to be here.

Lots of questions, so we'll start with that.

1. Same every year: who's the guy? Last year, we had a few choices. This year, do we have any? My guess: TSM.
2. Is Policelli ready to do more? He's been a solid spot-up shooter and undersized center, but can he create? Can he be a night-in-and-night-out 15 point guy?
3. Do we have a 30-35 minute ballhandler ready on day one? Does TSM do it with Clarke out, or are Roberts or Onyekonwu ready for prime time? With all of our height, this is the wrong year for injuries to the backcourt.
4. Can our point guards actually distribute?
5. Do we have an actual offense, and if we do, can we in fact knock down shots as has been advertised?
6. Coming from a power conference, can Fitzmorris demonstrate that he is a bonafide big fish in a small pond?
7. Will Geno ever play Fitz, Muratori, Nahar and Sarvan all at once?
8. How well can we guard on the perimeter and in transition with a glut of big men? This is a big one, maybe the biggest of all.
9. Will the move to the CAA move the needle whatsoever in terms of attendance?

I'm really interested to see what we get out of TSM and Policelli. They're the elder statesmen at least on the roster, and each has shown flashes of being a force in the past. However, this is the CAA, not the America East. They are unmistakably expected to take on more, and the opposition knows that too. Is it like when a team's #1 wide receiver gets hurt and suddenly the solid #2 looks overmatched when covered by the opposition's top corner? For me, I'm really hoping that TSM, undoubtedly with regular minutes after taxiing from the starting five to the bench and back for a few years, it's now time for him to shine. I think he has the tools to do so—maybe the prettiest jump shot that I've seen since going to SBU games (not as long as some of you), the ability to put it on the floor and create, great athleticism, and on the other end, I think he gets after it enough.

Policelli? I need to see if he's a scorer and not just a shooter. I feel like we've been waiting for it, all because he had that third star, and he's been OK but not a dominant force.

We're coming in with a team that, particularly with the injuries, needs to walk the walk here. TSM and Policelli—nice players to this point—combined for two points in our game against Florida last year and have never been the guy like they might have to be now. I'd point to Noll and Clarke as stabilizing forces, but we won't have their services, nor Philip. Sarvan is undoubtedly our most proven commodity outside of that. But then Roberts has 14 career points. Fitzmorris has six. With the injuries, Nahar, Muratori, the freshmen, they are being thrown into it.

And Florida is a really tough first matchup. They've customarily been very very stingy defensively, and even with the regime change—Todd Golden coming over from San Francisco—there's still so much proven talent and athleticism. I wish we had Miami Christian in an exhibition, then Florida, rather than Florida and an actual game against them. But here we are, wading into the swamp and, let's face it, we're fresh meat for the Gators.

For Florida, it starts with Castleton, who I think 10 or 20 years ago would have jumped to the NBA without question, but in the day and age where there is very little demand for 6-11 guys who can't shoot in the NBA, he came back for his fifth season. He almost singlehandedly has Florida in contention for a tournament berth. If you watched him last year, it really was a men amongst boys, and I suspect we'll have a similar feeling, oh, about two minutes into this year's game. Just an array of post moves, gets to the line, gets second-chance points, blocks shots, changes shots – a huge asset to any college program.  You see a few guys like him around the country – Tshiebwe from Kentucky, Timme from Gonzaga, Bacot from North Carolina, all standouts in college but with a skillset that does not guarantee stardom in the NBA. The aforementioned three were rightfully named first team All-Americans in the preseason, but they're fringe pros just because of how the game's played.

As I said, they brought in Golden, who took over Mike White, who bolted from Gainesville to Georgia. That Castleton stayed is a huge coup for Golden, and he has some complementary pieces who know the terrain too. But let's talk about these transfers. Lofton is going to have zero issue transitioning from St. Bonaventure, where he scored 1600 points over four seasons (COVID included). He's twice been named to the All A-10 first team, and although he isn't this cold-blooded scorer with a dead-eye three-ball, he found those shooters over and over again at Bona. Whether Florida has those marksmen remains to be seen; last year, they didn't, ranking 321st out of 350 teams in three-point FG% at just over 30 percent. But these days, the roster's different, the coach is different, maybe they light it up!

Lofton's just the start of it. Richard was an all-conference player at Belmont as a freshman. Trey Bonham averaged 14 a night at VMI before transferring in. Alex Fudge is a four-star recruit who saw solid minutes at LSU as a freshman; he's describe as "ultra-athletic." Riley Kugel—four-star recruit. And then there's the holdovers! And I just don't know that we have any of that to be honest. Any of it. So what's that add up to? Trouble. It's a bunch of seasoned athletes against a team of unprovens just getting to know each other. It's just a really tough matchup for us, exacerbated by the losses of Noll and Clarke. We've had teams that hung around with high major teams and even won (see Washington and South Carolina). I can't see it this time though. All I can hope for is that we compete, we see some strides from the incumbents and we see some positive signs from the newcomers.

Either way, it's go time, and I'm pumped up about it.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2022, 09:51:14 am by Checkmate »
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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2022, 05:18:54 pm »
Awesome write up. So glad we have you writing previews! You could be writing for ACC/BigEast teams. Nice analogy too “But here we are, wading into the swamp and, let's face it, we're fresh meat for the Gators.” Let’s go Seawolves!

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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2022, 10:56:21 am »
Nice job as always, Checkmate!  For us, too many questions (I agree).  With Knoll out for year, and Clarke out for a bit, who will handle the point?  Roberts showed he wasn't up to the task last year IMO, and that is the biggest obvious hole we have.  If we don't have a legit PG to distribute to the land-of-the-giants, it could be an ugly slog for sure. 

Going to enjoy this one on ESPN+, and still haven't decided if I'm going all-in on Flo for the season.  I was going to with football, and so glad I didn't, as the product they put on the field was the worst that I can ever remember.

In any event, go SBU!  It shall be interesting.
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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2022, 11:25:22 am »
the point should be anyone that will share the ball.  ;D

thanks checkie!  GO SB
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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2022, 12:12:54 pm »
Love the preview its a tough opening game for sure so probably won’t be able to take much away from it could get ugly quick if we throw out a freshman pg. TSM and Policelli i think have taken a backseat to others glad to see them get their chance to be primary options. They are unselfish players so i hope that spreads to the rest of the team. Where last year jenkins and roberts were very shoot first second and maybe pass third.

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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2022, 12:20:15 pm »
Todd Golden is an interesting and unique coach, exactly the type we should be looking for. He served as an assistant under Kyle Smith at Columbia and USF, eventually taking the head coaching job there (and succeeding at a high level) and now he's at Florida. The reason I bring this up is that Kyle Smith has a very specific and analytics-driven method to running his teams and recruiting for his teams which extends all the way down to practices and how they relate to their players. It works for them. Everyone gets it.

I'm not saying we should adopt an analytics-heavy approach. But I do think we should have an approach. Be known for something. Double-and-triple down on it. Maybe that's not doable in this transfer portal world, but if you stand for something as a program, and you find the right kids to buy in, maybe they'll stay, and maybe you can build something sustainable. At the very least, you'll be difficult to play against because you're just different.
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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2022, 12:29:40 pm »
100 percent agree geno has no identity

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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2022, 01:20:58 pm »
Checkmate, you're the best.

Here's to hoping that some of these freshman can ball. There could be a lot of growing pains with this year.

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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2022, 03:01:44 pm »
Question #10: What if this season is bad, even really bad? With unprecedented midseason player departures, no postseason appearances, I would say modest fan excitement, and just one year left on his contract, would SBU move on from Geno Ford after the season? I think it has a chance to be really bad, and the preseason poll supports that. Maybe I'm wrong—I really hope I'm wrong—but on the surface, this is a tough group to have your livelihood depending on. Nice guy but not a good coach from what I can tell.
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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2022, 03:06:51 pm »
Question #10: What if this season is bad, even really bad? With unprecedented midseason player departures, no postseason appearances, I would say modest fan excitement, and just one year left on his contract, would SBU move on from Geno Ford after the season? I think it has a chance to be really bad, and the preseason poll supports that. Maybe I'm wrong—I really hope I'm wrong—but on the surface, this is a tough group to have your livelihood depending on. Nice guy but not a good coach from what I can tell.

Funny, you should say that about Geno while I'm reading the coaching bios.  What do you think of the Dan Rickard Bio on their website?  Are they pumping him, and is he the heir apparent?

https://stonybrookathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/dan-rickard/1137
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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2022, 03:45:02 pm »
Question #10: What if this season is bad, even really bad? With unprecedented midseason player departures, no postseason appearances, I would say modest fan excitement, and just one year left on his contract, would SBU move on from Geno Ford after the season? I think it has a chance to be really bad, and the preseason poll supports that. Maybe I'm wrong—I really hope I'm wrong—but on the surface, this is a tough group to have your livelihood depending on. Nice guy but not a good coach from what I can tell.

Funny, you should say that about Geno while I'm reading the coaching bios.  What do you think of the Dan Rickard Bio on their website?  Are they pumping him, and is he the heir apparent?

https://stonybrookathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/dan-rickard/1137

Maybe. But for me, it's tough without any head coaching experience, or any high major experience as an assistant, to step into a head job at the CAA level. Even the optics of that aren't terrific. Then again, coach's undergrad son is on staff so maybe anything goes here.

If we go .500, is what Geno's done so far enough to fetch an extension in Heilbron's eyes?
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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2022, 04:52:45 pm »
I don't think Heilbron has high standards to justify giving extensions if the rumors about Priore are true

Ford is in a make or break season as far as I'm concerned. SBU has different priorities however and its impossible to know what they are doing nowadays. Department seems clueless.

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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2022, 06:08:07 pm »
If this season doesn't work out, I hope they let him go just because it's hard to imagine it'll get any better with this being a completely new team. Generally Ford's inability to keep our best places at Stony Brook is what's been the biggest problem. The talent has been here...and it's left. Also that might be a reason to think they might surprise this season. I do think he's done a decent job of getting pieces here.

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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2022, 08:07:33 am »
If this season doesn't work out, I hope they let him go just because it's hard to imagine it'll get any better with this being a completely new team. Generally Ford's inability to keep our best places at Stony Brook is what's been the biggest problem. The talent has been here...and it's left. Also that might be a reason to think they might surprise this season. I do think he's done a decent job of getting pieces here.

I thought trusty Shawn Heilbron gave Geno Ford a 5 year contract extension last year. Why would he let him go?

History has showed this school rewards coaches who are under achievers.

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Re: Game 1: at Florida, 11/7 8pm
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2022, 06:09:33 am »


Driving into work yesterday and I couldn’t believe when they said let’s welcome stony brook head coach Geno ford. If you skip to the one hour and 40 minute mark, that’s where the interview is.

Geno says 2 freshman guards will most likely be starting on Monday. I’m thinking it’s Toby and Frey