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Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here.  Definitely whetting our appetite on this kid.  I sure hope we land him.

Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too.  Keep up the great works with the analysis!

Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft, Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under). Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film. High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on. Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his perimeter defense shortcomings.

Quote from: OldSeawolf on March 02, 2018, 07:44:18 am

Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here.  Definitely whetting our appetite on this kid.  I sure hope we land him.

Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too.  Keep up the great works with the analysis!

Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft, Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under). Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film. High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on. Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his perimeter defense shortcomings.

Very good observation, Ball. I also see with Warney he is not a fast dribbler. When Warney rebounds the ball he always looks for a guard to take the ball up court. Keep an eye on that.. AS far as his long ball. Warney never attempted a 3 ball at SB and that is why I think he got over looked in the NBA draft.. However, he is making 3 pointers this season. If he can do that on a consistence basis, like you say I think some team might over look a couple of his deficits..

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Quote from: OldSeawolf on March 02, 2018, 07:44:18 am

Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here.  Definitely whetting our appetite on this kid.  I sure hope we land him.

Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too.  Keep up the great works with the analysis!

Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft, Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under). Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film. High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on. Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his perimeter defense shortcomings.

Very good observation, Ball. I also see with Warney he is not a fast dribbler. When Warney rebounds the ball he always looks for a guard to take the ball up court. Keep an eye on that.. AS far as his long ball. Warney never attempted a 3 ball at SB and that is why I think he got over looked in the NBA draft.. However, he is making 3 pointers this season. If he can do that on a consistence basis, like you say I think some team might over look a couple of his deficits..

Really good stuff by you as well. I didn't take note of the fact that he doesn't handle the ball at all. Which is another thing NBA teams would want. Yes he has expanded his range. Like you said it will need to be on the consistent basis

http://texas.gleague.nba.com/news/2017-2018-season-already-big-success-coach-mackinnon/

We can only pray he gets that call!!

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I'm right with you.

"As of now, Otchere hasn’t trimmed his list and is keeping his options open. In March, he’ll try and cut it down to five schools and is looking to make a decision in April or May. Otchere will have three years of eligibility left when he enrolls in a division one program in the fall."

That was from that Zagsblog article posted in here not to long ago.
Link: http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/2018-juco-center-jeffrey-otchere-talks-recruiting-development/

This month would be great with a run at the AE title and SB being in Otchere's final 5

Sounds like if he doesnt get an offer from a high major and only mid major offers, Otchere likes Fordham.. Or Wichita State.. Cant blame him one bit going out West!!

Zags Blog has a new york city focus and probably asked about Fordham since it's in the Bronx. I think the big takeaway is that he wants to make an impact and play right away, which we can offer with the graduation of Petrus and Sturdivant leaving a big void down low. Boals can also talk up his experience coaching NBA players Evan Turner, D'angelo Russell, and Jared Sullinger while at Ohio State. I'm not confident we can land him, but it seems within reason.

The bit about immediate playing time has to be a huuuuuge selling point. He could come in and almost be guaranteed 25-30 minutes a night for the next three years. I wonder why he doesn’t see that kind of burn at GCCC.

Maybe foul trouble - eek. 11 minutes in each of the last two games, 5 fouls and 4 fouls. Whatever. Take the good with the bad.

Let’s get Jameel on the phone with him. Of the schools who are after him, who has a more decorated big, a freakin USA Basketball POY, like we do with Warney?


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Juco's not a big mans game. Very guard oriented.
For comparison sake, it's a 6'10 Juco big named Jehthro Tshisumpa Mbiya from San Jacinto Central College. Kid is committed to Mississippi State. His averages were 8.3 PPG and 6.5 RPG in 20 minutes per game. He'also averaged 3.8 blocks per game. Otchere's Scoring and Rebounding averages are slightly under the Mbiya kids averages and his blocks per game average was the same while he played 6 minutes more per game than Otchere and this kid is a transfer from Arizona State who then went Juco for this past season and is now headed to Mississippi State.
Otchere has more Total blocks than Mbiya.
I bring Mbiya into the equation because its an example of how gifted bigs don't get off in juco,but also to say SB is in the running for a kid who is a better defender than Power 5 conference bigs.
Otchere's offense needs to round out and he needs to be more disciplined to not get in foul trouble. I've watched a few Garden City games on YouTube and that's been my conclusion.
Also he has a STUD Freshman big man at his Juco, From New Jersey 6'8 kid averaging 17 and 9. Potent offensive player. Name is Jamir Thomas. Maybe SB lands otchere in 2018 and gets his teammate in 2019. That would be outrageous. Thomas is a better offensive option than Otchere and plays more.  Kid can space the court with shooting and bang inside with a 245 pound frame and nimble feet.

I see it with Otchere, but on video, Thomas didn't jump out at this stud like you suggest. His production in HS and now at GCCC is undeniable – another double-double last night. Wide body, physical, skilled offensively, but not an explosive athlete nor a big-time defender. He committed to D-II Felician out of HS but ended up at GCCC and has put up big-time numbers. For me, it's hard to tell what that means. GCCC's all-conference guys haven't exactly shown up at premier D-I programs and been stars – West Alabama, a deep bench guy at UIC, Rio Grande, etc etc. He's produced everywhere he's gone so maybe he's Cori Spencer.

Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 02, 2018, 05:24:29 am

Quote from: Checkmate on March 01, 2018, 07:18:09 pm

Quote from: sbufan on March 01, 2018, 03:43:55 pm

Quote from: Hammertime on March 01, 2018, 03:33:32 pm

Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 01, 2018, 11:52:49 am

I'm right with you.

"As of now, Otchere hasn’t trimmed his list and is keeping his options open. In March, he’ll try and cut it down to five schools and is looking to make a decision in April or May. Otchere will have three years of eligibility left when he enrolls in a division one program in the fall."

That was from that Zagsblog article posted in here not to long ago.
Link: http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/2018-juco-center-jeffrey-otchere-talks-recruiting-development/

This month would be great with a run at the AE title and SB being in Otchere's final 5

Sounds like if he doesnt get an offer from a high major and only mid major offers, Otchere likes Fordham.. Or Wichita State.. Cant blame him one bit going out West!!

Zags Blog has a new york city focus and probably asked about Fordham since it's in the Bronx. I think the big takeaway is that he wants to make an impact and play right away, which we can offer with the graduation of Petrus and Sturdivant leaving a big void down low. Boals can also talk up his experience coaching NBA players Evan Turner, D'angelo Russell, and Jared Sullinger while at Ohio State. I'm not confident we can land him, but it seems within reason.

The bit about immediate playing time has to be a huuuuuge selling point. He could come in and almost be guaranteed 25-30 minutes a night for the next three years. I wonder why he doesn’t see that kind of burn at GCCC.

Maybe foul trouble - eek. 11 minutes in each of the last two games, 5 fouls and 4 fouls. Whatever. Take the good with the bad.

Let’s get Jameel on the phone with him. Of the schools who are after him, who has a more decorated big, a freakin USA Basketball POY, like we do with Warney?


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Juco's not a big mans game. Very guard oriented.
For comparison sake, it's a 6'10 Juco big named Jehthro Tshisumpa Mbiya from San Jacinto Central College. Kid is committed to Mississippi State. His averages were 8.3 PPG and 6.5 RPG in 20 minutes per game. He'also averaged 3.8 blocks per game. Otchere's Scoring and Rebounding averages are slightly under the Mbiya kids averages and his blocks per game average was the same while he played 6 minutes more per game than Otchere and this kid is a transfer from Arizona State who then went Juco for this past season and is now headed to Mississippi State.
Otchere has more Total blocks than Mbiya.
I bring Mbiya into the equation because its an example of how gifted bigs don't get off in juco,but also to say SB is in the running for a kid who is a better defender than Power 5 conference bigs.
Otchere's offense needs to round out and he needs to be more disciplined to not get in foul trouble. I've watched a few Garden City games on YouTube and that's been my conclusion.
Also he has a STUD Freshman big man at his Juco, From New Jersey 6'8 kid averaging 17 and 9. Potent offensive player. Name is Jamir Thomas. Maybe SB lands otchere in 2018 and gets his teammate in 2019. That would be outrageous. Thomas is a better offensive option than Otchere and plays more.  Kid can space the court with shooting and bang inside with a 245 pound frame and nimble feet.

I see it with Otchere, but on video, Thomas didn't jump out at this stud like you suggest. His production in HS and now at GCCC is undeniable – another double-double last night. Wide body, physical, skilled offensively, but not an explosive athlete nor a big-time defender. He committed to D-II Felician out of HS but ended up at GCCC and has put up big-time numbers. For me, it's hard to tell what that means. GCCC's all-conference guys haven't exactly shown up at premier D-I programs and been stars – West Alabama, a deep bench guy at UIC, Rio Grande, etc etc. He's produced everywhere he's gone so maybe he's Cori Spencer.

Thomas has been a knucklehead. Academically he wouldn't qualify for D1 but he would for D2 which is why he committed there in high school. He played high level AAU ball in high school with the NJ PLAYAZ and wasn't a bench warmer.  Had he took care of his grades and attitude in high school. We wouldn't be having this discussion. As for former Garden City players production once they go D1 i'd attribute that more to the GCCC program and how they prepare kids for the rigors of D1 ball. But the kids are actually talented. In JUCO the best states are Florida,Texas and Kansas. When a player is putting up numbers in Kansas Juco ball. He can play. 3 of the top 25 ranked Jucos this season are in the same conference Otchere and Thomas compete in. They faced each team twice. Thomas had big outings in 4 of those 6 total games. He put 27 pts and 15 rebs on Hutchinson CC in a competitive game with a final score 68-64. Hutch is one of the top 25 teams and has high majors on their roster every year. His stats are legit.
He isn't an explosive athlete but he's a sneaky athlete.If he trims some he'd be a better athlete.
As you stated he's skilled offensively. Those skills are allowing him to kill legit Juco comp. If his off the court stuff is a thing of the pass he's one to snag.

Some recent footage of Alanzo Frink (among others). Definitely some glimpses but I finished wanting to see more from him. Roselle Catholic is no joke, but still, he looked like about the eighth best player on the floor - just not active enough on the glass or defensively for me. Give me the Omoruyi kid in a couple years though!


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You're spot on with your evaluation