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Re: 2018 Recruiting
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2017, 03:53:25 pm »
Read the article  and he seems like a good student also which is important.  Hopefully he can play and at  7 foot block shots.

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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2017, 11:42:34 am »
Notwithstanding some very good recruiting lately, I've noticed a very disturbing trend.  SBU often goes up against Hofstra for good talent.  Some of those players that both schools recruit are fiercely recruited by other schools as well, even including more reputed mid-majors and even some high majors.  In the past week alone, both Jared Rhoden and Samba Diallo (both highly rated recruits) have narrowed their candidate lists for their commitment decisions.  In both cases, the Seawolves were removed from consideration.  Not all that surprising, you might say.  However, Hofstra remained on the list in each case--WHY?

I've attended games at both schools, and grew up on LI.  There is no doubt in my mind that SBU's facilities and academics are head and shoulders above Hofstra's.  Furthermore, Hofstra's record was anything but stellar last season.  Somehow, we must get the word out forcefully that if you're a well-rated recruit, would consider a lesser hailed conference than others that have offered, and are willing to look at Long Island--the choice should overwhelmingly be SBU over Hofstra!!

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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2017, 11:58:51 am »
Notwithstanding some very good recruiting lately, I've noticed a very disturbing trend.  SBU often goes up against Hofstra for good talent.  Some of those players that both schools recruit are fiercely recruited by other schools as well, even including more reputed mid-majors and even some high majors.  In the past week alone, both Jared Rhoden and Samba Diallo (both highly rated recruits) have narrowed their candidate lists for their commitment decisions.  In both cases, the Seawolves were removed from consideration.  Not all that surprising, you might say.  However, Hofstra remained on the list in each case--WHY?

I've attended games at both schools, and grew up on LI.  There is no doubt in my mind that SBU's facilities and academics are head and shoulders above Hofstra's.  Furthermore, Hofstra's record was anything but stellar last season.  Somehow, we must get the word out forcefully that if you're a well-rated recruit, would consider a lesser hailed conference than others that have offered, and are willing to look at Long Island--the choice should overwhelmingly be SBU over Hofstra!!

If SB would to ever move their Basketball program into the A-10, that would all change..
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2017, 12:30:57 pm »
Yeah, I get that, Hammer.  But, that's not a reasonable expectation for the near term.  There must be another option that could result in some improvement re: this situation.  By the way, I checked out the remaining open offers for 2018, and found that there are 7 or 8 additional recruits that have open offers from both Hofstra and SBU.  Need some good ideas NOW!!

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Re: 2018 Recruiting
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2017, 03:07:31 pm »
I think  Hofstra plays on the notion they are an elite school when in fact  they are not.  Add to that  the difference in conferences the CAA is stronger all around than the AE and it may be a convincer for some kids.  I do like our coaching staffs scheduling this year . We cant complain about an easy OOC schedule with  Hofstra, Brown, St Francis -Pa and Norfolk St at home . Then on the road with  Rutgers, Providence , Columbia and UConn . Add Maryland as a neutral court game in the Coliseum . That should be attractive to a lot of players.  Scheduling could be the difference maker going forward to reach some top talent  in future seasons.   We still have 3 or 4 games to post on this years  schedule .  If we can keep getting high level games and maybe repeat trips to the Coliseum or back to  MSG  that could be a key to high level talent.  So far  I'm impressed with our two newcomers so far .

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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2017, 09:52:26 am »
Notwithstanding some very good recruiting lately, I've noticed a very disturbing trend.  SBU often goes up against Hofstra for good talent.  Some of those players that both schools recruit are fiercely recruited by other schools as well, even including more reputed mid-majors and even some high majors.  In the past week alone, both Jared Rhoden and Samba Diallo (both highly rated recruits) have narrowed their candidate lists for their commitment decisions.  In both cases, the Seawolves were removed from consideration.  Not all that surprising, you might say.  However, Hofstra remained on the list in each case--WHY?

I've attended games at both schools, and grew up on LI.  There is no doubt in my mind that SBU's facilities and academics are head and shoulders above Hofstra's.  Furthermore, Hofstra's record was anything but stellar last season.  Somehow, we must get the word out forcefully that if you're a well-rated recruit, would consider a lesser hailed conference than others that have offered, and are willing to look at Long Island--the choice should overwhelmingly be SBU over Hofstra!!

It's impressive that Hofstra made the cut, but I'm not too concerned. At least not yet. We don't know how much focus the staff was placing Rhoden and Diallo, and according to verbal commits we're still involved with some several high level commits.

What's strange to me is that Pikiell's staff almost never competed with Hofstra whereas now Boals seems to have a lot of overlap. I'm not sure if Boals is aiming higher, or if he has similar AAU contacts as Mihalich

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« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2017, 12:45:18 am »
Interesting point raised re recruiting competition with Hofstra. Hofstra plays against teams from mid-Atlantic and Carolinas as opposed to New England. Also CAA already has a good reputation as a mid major conference; many still don't realize how much it has been weakened by departures. May be the advisers to recruits think it's still the same old conference with stellar mid-major teams like VCU and GMU etc.

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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2017, 04:35:38 am »
Interesting point raised re recruiting competition with Hofstra. Hofstra plays against teams from mid-Atlantic and Carolinas as opposed to New England. Also CAA already has a good reputation as a mid major conference; many still don't realize how much it has been weakened by departures. May be the advisers to recruits think it's still the same old conference with stellar mid-major teams like VCU and GMU etc.

I have been saying since day one when we moved from the Big South to the CAA, SB needs to move all sports out of the AE and into the CAA.. Some people feel it's a waste of time and would only be a lateral because both conferences are one bid leagues... I disagree with that assessment.. I think the level of competition is tougher in the CAA as a whole for all sports then the AE. If you are looking for better athletes, the CAA is where we belong. Not the AE.. My opinion..

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Re: 2018 Recruiting
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2017, 10:49:40 am »
Interesting point raised re recruiting competition with Hofstra. Hofstra plays against teams from mid-Atlantic and Carolinas as opposed to New England. Also CAA already has a good reputation as a mid major conference; many still don't realize how much it has been weakened by departures. May be the advisers to recruits think it's still the same old conference with stellar mid-major teams like VCU and GMU etc.

The last two years have actually been pretty good for the CAA in terms of RPI. As a conference, they were 9th overall in 2015-16, and 11th in 2016-17. However, they have been a one-bid league in each of the last six years, dating back to the VCU/GMU/ODU year when VCU made the Final Four.

Travel to the CAA schools would be a grind/fortune for all sports.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2017, 11:24:21 am »
Hammer this has been explained a few times. SB wanted to mive all sports to CAA but were blocked by a couple of schools with Hofstra being one of them. Since Hofstra doesnt have football anymore they couldnt stop that move.

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« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2017, 11:38:49 am »
Hammer this has been explained a few times. SB wanted to mive all sports to CAA but were blocked by a couple of schools with Hofstra being one of them. Since Hofstra doesnt have football anymore they couldnt stop that move.

Just curious. Can Hofstra and others still block SB from making the leap, if so, why.. Why would they??
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« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2017, 11:42:46 am »
They could if they wanted to .  I think Hofstra feels a little threatened with SBU . Hofstra enrollment is dropping to almost under 10k students . A few years ago it was nearly 15k but  cost (42,000) a year and the area the campus is may be working against them .

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« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2017, 12:15:09 pm »
They could if they wanted to .  I think Hofstra feels a little threatened with SBU . Hofstra enrollment is dropping to almost under 10k students . A few years ago it was nearly 15k but  cost (42,000) a year and the area the campus is may be working against them .

WOW. I didnt know that about Hofstra enrollment . Maybe they need to lower the cost of their admissions, too.. It is my understanding Hofstra not cheap to get in.. But what gives Hofstra the right to block another institution from participating in their sports conference just because they feel threaten? Makes no sense and it should not be allowed. I would think the CAA commissioner would have a lot to say about that as well.. It's not like SB isn't already affiliated with the CAA, so it should just be a matter of fitting us in schedule wise rather than having a school vote..
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« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2017, 04:31:12 pm »
I've said it before and I'll stick by it, I'm not high on the CAA. It's simply another one bid league and a more competitive one at that. We're better off being a game or two away from a tourney appearance yearly in the AE, then losing in the first round of a more competitive CAA tournament. Until it becomes a multibid league again I'm not interested. The A10 is a different animal though. The CAA will be even weaker once JMU leaves for an FBS all sports conference. Perhaps then we'll get the call along with Albany,but IDK if we should bite then. It's not a worthwhile move if you ask me.


The CAA has 10 members, usually conferences require a 2/3rds or 3/4ths vote to admit a new member. Hofstra alone can't block us, but if another school like say Northeastern joined them out of fear of regional competition, and then College of Charleston didn't want to add another member up north, those three together could have been enough to end our consideration. It's not hard to form a coalition against schools like this. Serves them right though. Hofstra can stay in a dying CAA. I could see them coming back to the AE begging (along with Delaware) once JMU leaves the CAA.

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« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2017, 05:11:24 pm »
I've said it before and I'll stick by it, I'm not high on the CAA. It's simply another one bid league and a more competitive one at that. We're better off being a game or two away from a tourney appearance yearly in the AE, then losing in the first round of a more competitive CAA tournament. Until it becomes a multibid league again I'm not interested. The A10 is a different animal though. The CAA will be even weaker once JMU leaves for an FBS all sports conference. Perhaps then we'll get the call along with Albany,but IDK if we should bite then. It's not a worthwhile move if you ask me.


The CAA has 10 members, usually conferences require a 2/3rds or 3/4ths vote to admit a new member. Hofstra alone can't block us, but if another school like say Northeastern joined them out of fear of regional competition, and then College of Charleston didn't want to add another member up north, those three together could have been enough to end our consideration. It's not hard to form a coalition against schools like this. Serves them right though. Hofstra can stay in a dying CAA. I could see them coming back to the AE begging (along with Delaware) once JMU leaves the CAA.

I still disagree. Do you realize the AE is constantly always at the bottom as far as conference strength is concern!!!! I would think SB could attract better athletes if their sports programs played in the CAA. You have no idea if JMU is going to move up to the CAA anytime soon. I see SH wanting SB to move up to FBS before JMU does...