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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #390 on: March 18, 2015, 10:02:11 pm »
Unless  I missed it Warney didn't score in the 2nd half at all.  Too many 3pt attempts  and free throws  that didn't go down.  No defense ,against the 3 either that's been a problem all season  still not foxed.  Oh well wait until November now.

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #391 on: March 19, 2015, 09:10:45 am »
I've come to the conclusion that there is a very simple solution to radically improving SBU's chances going forward.  I'm also willing to accept the fact that there's no way to fix everything, and that most good teams share the same maladies as the Seawolves do (e.g. periodic sloppy/careless play, defensive lapses, etc.). But, I'm convinced that if Coach P. concentrated on foul shooting, and downright insisted on a marked improvement, there would have been at least 6 more wins this season (as well as last season), and that the Seawolves would have been in the NCAA tournament both of those years.  Check it out and let me know if you don't agree!!

So, I hereby recommend that Coach insist that this summer each player on the team be required to shoot 100 foul shots per day, or until they can make twenty (20) consecutively (no misses).  This drill should occur every day without fail.  Whaddya think???

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #392 on: March 19, 2015, 10:11:48 am »
sbugold, this, of course, hinges on the assumption that shooting FTs well in practice will translate into improved performance at the end of an important game. One might think there is a connection there and that spending additional time on FTs (or counseling, hypnosis, rewards) is better than not spending additional time on FTs, but that's not necessarily the case.

Between the bookends of SBUs poor foul shooting I watched a stream of the DII SNHU vs S Conn regional final game. Talented players all in a pressure-filled game for that level, although clearly players less-talented than DI/SBU level. That said, those SNHU guys were just stroking a bunch of FTs at the end to stretch a short lead and put that game away (26/34, 76.5% for the game).

Not to say trying to work on FTs is not a productive task, but some players make 'em, some don't....

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #393 on: March 19, 2015, 10:30:48 am »
so are we saying its mental and not physical?
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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #394 on: March 19, 2015, 01:04:14 pm »
Just looking at the season stats... Out of 351 teams, we finished:

230th in PPG, 29th in PPG defense

This could be explained by our "run the clock down in order to minimize possessions" style.  So obviously the gameplan is to to limit possessions, keep both teams from scoring.  But to win, you need to be efficient with the limited offensive possessions you have.  Let's see how we did.

261st in FG %
230th in 3pt FG %
308th in Points Per Shot

Ok, so we're not hitting the shots, and as a result, we're only netting out on 1.15 pts per shot.  Not ideal.  How about "extra opportunities":

312th in steals
262nd in FT %
6th in RPG

I think this shows how crucial rebounding was to us winning games this year.  Once we got out-rebounded, we were cooked.

Something to consider is that these numbers are inflated by games against Maine/UMBC/Bing...  Forget FT's, start working on ANY type of shooting.
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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #395 on: March 19, 2015, 04:03:11 pm »
>>>Forget FT's, start working on ANY type of shooting.<<<

Telling collection of stats, and another excellent approach to winning a few basketball games!

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #396 on: March 19, 2015, 07:35:04 pm »
>>>Forget FT's, start working on ANY type of shooting.<<<

Telling collection of stats, and another excellent approach to winning a few basketball games!
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>>>Forget FT's, start working on ANY type of shooting.<<<

Telling collection of stats, and another excellent approach to winning a few basketball games!
There is no fixing anything. Warney will not get better shooting FT at SB. He is what he is.. When he makes it into the Pro's most likely Europe or Japan, he will improve.. As far as fixing our other bench players, forget it.. SB needs to recruit better players out of high school. I am tired of coach P always talking about "work in progress"..He brought in Petrus and said he's a work in progress.. I say he is just plain work with no progress!!! Do a better job of recruiting high caliber players who can shoot the 3 and make the FT, period!!!

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #397 on: March 19, 2015, 07:37:49 pm »
Just looking at the season stats... Out of 351 teams, we finished:

230th in PPG, 29th in PPG defense

This could be explained by our "run the clock down in order to minimize possessions" style.  So obviously the gameplan is to to limit possessions, keep both teams from scoring.  But to win, you need to be efficient with the limited offensive possessions you have.  Let's see how we did.

261st in FG %
230th in 3pt FG %
308th in Points Per Shot

Ok, so we're not hitting the shots, and as a result, we're only netting out on 1.15 pts per shot.  Not ideal.  How about "extra opportunities":

312th in steals
262nd in FT %
6th in RPG

I think this shows how crucial rebounding was to us winning games this year.  Once we got out-rebounded, we were cooked.

Something to consider is that these numbers are inflated by games against Maine/UMBC/Bing...  Forget FT's, start working on ANY type of shooting.

Thanks for showing those stats Jaghatai... These numbers are horrendous. Nothing else to say!!!!

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #398 on: March 19, 2015, 09:05:20 pm »
Don't forget two of our wins were none D1. USMMA D3 and St Thomas D2 add to that 2 games apiece against UMBC, Maine and Binghamton that's 8 wins against not so stellar competition.  Much work to be done in 8 months.

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« Reply #399 on: March 19, 2015, 09:55:15 pm »
Free throws are free.  D1 average is about 70%.  Make that percentage against Albany and they make the Show.  That's why you don't forget free throws.

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #400 on: March 22, 2015, 08:07:56 am »
I had no idea how much money coach Pikiell makes per year. Pikiell earns $372,550 plus he is getting a $50,000 longevity check in April...Albany coach Brown earns $295,000 plus he is getting paid $7500 for the Auto bid into the NCAA.. All this info is in today's newsday..  As much as i like Pikiell as a person he ABSOLUTELY does not deserve to make this much money year after year. Get us into the NCAA year after year like Brown gets Albany in to the NCAA then yes, he deserves it.. I am appalled!!!!!!! After Pikiell contract expires I would think SB can find a very good viable  replacement with college basketball experience who can take us to the NCAA with almost a $400,000 per year salary!!!!!!  This is a waste of taxpayers dollars and yes, I am angry now!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #401 on: March 22, 2015, 01:11:29 pm »
Given his success here, the cost of living on LI and the salaries of most mid-major MBB HCs, I don't think his compensation is excessive.  The guy has five 20+ win seasons, including the last 4.  This year, he almost won the AE with all underclassmen. 

He's a good defensive coach and a pretty good recruiter who's likable.  Kids want to play for him.  He's straight up.  All that is not as common as we think.

I doubt you are really interested in going back to the pre-Pikiell days, are you?

That said, he should tweak the team's style a bit, concentrating a bit more on the offensive end, particularly shooting in all respects.

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #402 on: March 22, 2015, 01:53:53 pm »
Given his success here, the cost of living on LI and the salaries of most mid-major MBB HCs, I don't think his compensation is excessive.  The guy has five 20+ win seasons, including the last 4.  This year, he almost won the AE with all underclassmen. 

He's a good defensive coach and a pretty good recruiter who's likable.  Kids want to play for him.  He's straight up.  All that is not as common as we think.

I doubt you are really interested in going back to the pre-Pikiell days, are you?

That said, he should tweak the team's style a bit, concentrating a bit more on the offensive end, particularly shooting in all respects.
Why would SB go back to the pre Pikiell days?? We are over that hump now and there is no turning back.. Pikiell did a great job taking us from div 3 to div1 but he is stuck in the mud now..My concern going forward is recruiting. Pikiell was able to get Warney and Tre to play here because of our new Arena. What could he say and do now to recruit above average mig major players? "We made it to the Championship series 4 out of 5 years but cant punch the ticket but don't worry, next year we will"????
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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #403 on: March 22, 2015, 07:55:31 pm »
You think it's easy to replace a successful mid-major HC?  Not really.  Exactly who do you have in mind?

My argument is that he doesn't deserve to be replaced.  Albany won in their own barn by hitting a 3 at the buzzer.  That's how close this team with no seniors came from going to the show.  Pikiell didn't get you to D1.  He got you to a consistently good D1 team winning 20 games a year with a good shot at the tourney and 3 NIT appearances.  10 years ago this team was in D1 and was a 4-24 joke.  It's a long way from that now.  Replace him at your peril.

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Re: 2014-15 Stony Brook basketball season
« Reply #404 on: March 22, 2015, 09:56:27 pm »
Piekiell took over a train wreck of a Div 1 Program  ten years ago. My first game in the old arena was under  the former coach . Maybe a 100 people were there on a Sunday as Dartmouth blew us out by 20 points. Our best player was Bobby Santiago the point guard . There major talent issues, academic issues we were on NCAA Probation for that .  So he built what you see today over the last 10 seasons including wholesale cutting of players . His salary is about normal for a mid major coach and he runs a clean program academically and socially.  Im  sure his contract will be renewed this year going into the post Warney era .