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2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« on: December 04, 2011, 12:25:28 pm »
Stony Brook returns home to play the FDU Knights and a chance for a win after the close loss at Eastern Illinois. Already half way through the OOC season.

College Football is over. time for basketball!!
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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 12:45:04 pm »
If we don't win here, especially after FDU turfed an 81-62 gem against Albany....there are officially issues.

Up to now, I think we're just not well built from a chemistry aspect. That generally justifies our late season runs of the past. Gotta work a rhythm.

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 01:57:46 pm »
If we don't win here, especially after FDU turfed an 81-62 gem against Albany....there are officially issues.

Up to now, I think we're just not well built from a chemistry aspect. That generally justifies our late season runs of the past. Gotta work a rhythm.

You guys will win this game.  FDU is not a very good team, although they do have some talent.  You need some momentum heading into the games against BC and Rutgers, especially after BU put a stomping on BU yesterday!

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2011, 02:10:31 pm »
Stony Brook is struggling a lot. But this is a home game. They have to pull this one off. If they don't win here then we might not win again until we face Rider
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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 02:57:42 pm »
There's some value to being optimistic, but the "late season chemistry" argument doesn't cut it. The only reason the team has had late season chemistry is because it plays in an bottom-dwelling conference...currently #31 out of 33 (Sagarin). It's easy to have late season success when those are the late season games you're playing. The team got to go to Europe pre-season, supposedly to develop chemistry. And it's not like the team is starting only freshmen and sophomores. I know Pikiell is a likeable coach who comes from good basketball stock, but the success expected for an attractive, major university with 25,000 students just hasn't happened...and it's far more than a "chemistry" issue. I'd like to be wrong.

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2011, 03:03:26 pm »
I totally agree with you ry1. Chemistry shouldn't be a problem with a team that for the most part has played together in the previous years with few changes. Only Chris Martin graduated last year meaning that this team is not composed of new players. The staff and the team surely need to work something out before its too late. The expectations were high this year, and this team has not accomplished much yet.

I hope we can see a change in direction soon!
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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2011, 03:28:05 pm »
Roger that. And failing all else, there's the post-season glow from football!

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2011, 08:18:59 pm »
I totally agree with you ry1. Chemistry shouldn't be a problem with a team that for the most part has played together in the previous years with few changes. Only Chris Martin graduated last year meaning that this team is not composed of new players. The staff and the team surely need to work something out before its too late. The expectations were high this year, and this team has not accomplished much yet.

I hope we can see a change in direction soon!

Agreed, but the one missing player from last year did the one thing that no one else on the current roster can do:  create shots/opportunities for others!!!  Look at this last game, 5 FT opportunities!  It's not chemistry, it's lack of good 3-point shooting/lack of easy baskets.  Bracey can help that, but most importantly, Jackson/Coley must step up.  Less turnovers, and more smart decisions.  Until the guard play improves, SB will struggle....

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2011, 09:06:02 pm »
I think the team will be fine. We've played some good teams on the road. We will find our groove after a couple home games.
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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2011, 10:25:17 pm »
Quick, agree w you on most points but not so relative to the missing player from last year. Was he an effective scorer...yes. Did the offense improve once he returned from injury...yes. Did he penetrate and get to the rim...yes. Did he create shots/opportunities for others...no freaking way. Once the ball got in his hands it rarely left.

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 03:49:02 pm »
Quick, agree w you on most points but not so relative to the missing player from last year. Was he an effective scorer...yes. Did the offense improve once he returned from injury...yes. Did he penetrate and get to the rim...yes. Did he create shots/opportunities for others...no freaking way. Once the ball got in his hands it rarely left.

Seawolf, first off, I love talking hoops!  Secondly, you surely know more about last year's team than I do, but hear me out:  I think we all agree that Martin is the only significant missing player (notwithstanding the 10 minutes/game Preboye played).  Even if he "rarely" passed the ball, his ability to create off the dribble, just the threat of that ability, forced your opponents to react to him.  That alone helps to create opportunities, whether it be via the kick-out pass, or via offensive rebounds due to your opponent having to help, or via increased free throw opportunities because Martin was fouled while driving.  Remember, you guys only had 5 FT's last game!  No one is attacking the basket (except Rapier), and you are mostly shooting jump shots, which rarely leeds to free throws.  I'm not saying that Martin was an assist demon, but that type of player usually helps in the areas I mentioned above.  I believe Coley and to some extent Jackson can do some of this, but the question is if they can do that without turning the ball over.  Does this make any sense?

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 06:38:54 pm »
Quick, you make a lot of sense and I agree with most if not all points. No question that when he returned from injury late in the year he helped improve the offensive performance. He could score, penetrate, and get to the line. The one thing he didn't do was dish, and there were some other aspects of his game/style that I wasn't enamored with. But all in all, he was a big contributor during the stretch run. Just as important was the emergence of Hayes, who is off to a bit of a slow start but I fully believe will get to the level he was at late last year.

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 09:04:00 pm »
Quick, you make a lot of sense and I agree with most if not all points. No question that when he returned from injury late in the year he helped improve the offensive performance. He could score, penetrate, and get to the line. The one thing he didn't do was dish, and there were some other aspects of his game/style that I wasn't enamored with. But all in all, he was a big contributor during the stretch run. Just as important was the emergence of Hayes, who is off to a bit of a slow start but I fully believe will get to the level he was at late last year.

No doubt Seawolf, Hayes and his lack of production also has a lot to do with it!  He's under 30% from the field, and even less (24% I think) from 3-point range.  It's amazing how much better a team looks when they are knocking down perimeter shots.  Brenton appears to be rounding back into game shape, but to me, the guard play (scoring AND not turning the ball over) will tell the story.  You are probably getting more than you expected from the frontcourt, and less than you expected from the backcourt.  Let's see how they play tomorrow....

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 09:30:06 pm »
Tomorrow night is a must win before we travel to play BC.   Then the 17th looms at the Garden on National TV.  That has to be a good game  even if a close loss . We cant go into our funk  that day.

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Re: 2011/12: Game 7 Stony Brook vs Fairleigh Dickinson
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2011, 07:46:51 am »
Tomorrow night is a must win before we travel to play BC.   Then the 17th looms at the Garden on National TV.  That has to be a good game  even if a close loss . We cant go into our funk  that day.

Again, "must win" is correct!  FDU has a couple players to be ready for in their big man (Goode) who's 6'9" and about 230 lbs, and their 6'3" Jr. guard (Bolding), who's a transfer from the A-10 (Duquesne).  That being said, it should be a 10 point win at home.  BC Sunday can be a springboard if you take care of business tonight.  As I mentioned yesterday, getting some consistent guard play is the key for you.....