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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: Game 20: at Albany 1/23/19 7pm
« Last post by iBOsbu on January 22, 2019, 04:24:18 pm »
Otchere is turning into a nice player...learning to stay out of foul trouble. Very pleased with Boals recruiting so far.
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SBU Men's Lacrosse / Re: SB Lacrosse 2019 Season
« Last post by sbufan on January 22, 2019, 03:19:15 pm »
Really think this team is going to surprise a lot of people. I think they're going to be very good.
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Conference and Athletics / Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Last post by VA_Seawolf on January 22, 2019, 02:27:25 pm »
If Umass and Buffalo can't get into AAC, we have no chance. Even JMU and Delaware are ahead of us if AAC ever need an eastern schools. I think AAC would rather go west for BYU, SDSU or Boise, in the unlikely even of departure.

One thing though is that a school does not have to be successful program to upgrade to FBS, i.e. see Coastal Carolina and UNCC. UNCC pretty much started, and went through 2 years of FCS, then upgraded to FBS. They had good attendance from year one. Coastal Carolina went from Big South to FBS!

I think we need to stop thinking like 2010~2012. I agree with the some of you...make basketball priority. Get some NCAA tourney appearances under our belt. Goal should be to replace Vermont as the team to beat in AE. We can be the best mid major team in northeast/mid-atlantic region outside A10. Make ourselves attractive for A10. This is a more realistic goal.

And that doesn't mean drop football. But be smart and realistic about it. We can keep up the good work. Although I was mad at the time, Hofstra blocking us was a blessing in disguise. We landed our football at the best FCS conference at this side of the country. And we don't have to go to Carolinas for other sports. If attendance improve dramatically we can join Buffalo. If it doesn't, BB in A10 and FB in CAA is not bad.

Those schools wouldn't get in right now because they don't need to expand, but if Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12 in a couple years and there's a mad scramble for schools, it's not unreasonable that multiple spots in the AAC and CUSA could open up. SBU should be prepared for that possibility. I'm still very much pro FBS, just it needs to be with the right schools. Giving up games against Vermont and Albany for Akron and Western Michigan doesn't make sense. If we can get FBS games against Buffalo, Temple, ODU, App St., JMU, Delaware, etc.? Then that definitely is the move to make. 

We can do a lot of damage in basketball and be a great program, but we don't need to give up on our FBS goals to do so. I'm also no longer convinced the A10 is all that great of a fit. They have the history, but that conference has 14 teams, only 3-4 of which are public schools. The conference has also struggled mightily this year potentially only being a one bid conference. Does being in a huge conference full of private schools serve SBU? I'm not so sure. I'm not completely against moving there,but the fit would be quite odd.

What would be interesting is an all-sports move to the CAA with Albany, and potentially Vermont in tow with us. Given that the CAA has a mix of publics and privates, that'd be a nicer fit than the private heavy A10. The CAA with us and UVM in it could definitely get a second tournament bid down the road. Hofstra "blocked" us last time through influence, but their vote alone can't block us if the other schools want us in the CAA. They could tell Hofstra to go pound sand and vote us in anyway.  ;D
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Conference and Athletics / Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Last post by Chairman of the Board on January 22, 2019, 01:29:02 pm »
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These large-scale, immediate gratification moves rarely work

yep

like happy three point shooting
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Conference and Athletics / Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Last post by OldSeawolf on January 22, 2019, 01:18:13 pm »
Start small(er), and let's upgrade basketball first, and grab some success there by getting into a better conference, and doing some damage there (a couple of Tournament appearances).  Win, prove the upgrade concept and get some national notoriety, and our other sports programs (football included) will get more attention, have more upgrade options, and we can springboard off that.  These large-scale, immediate gratification moves rarely work; this needs to be a long-term, calculated plan, IMO, with multiple phases (that is, one sport at a time).

We've come a long way with football (I remember the Club Football days back in the hay fields when many of you were still in diapers), but I think FCS is treating us nicely at this point, and forging ahead to FBS, for all of the reasons that everyone has stated in this thread, may not be the best move in the short-term, IMO.  Let it be part of a long-term plan, if we can get there, one step at a time.
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Conference and Athletics / Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Last post by iBOsbu on January 22, 2019, 01:04:43 pm »
If Umass and Buffalo can't get into AAC, we have no chance. Even JMU and Delaware are ahead of us if AAC ever need an eastern schools. I think AAC would rather go west for BYU, SDSU or Boise, in the unlikely even of departure.

One thing though is that a school does not have to be successful program to upgrade to FBS, i.e. see Coastal Carolina and UNCC. UNCC pretty much started, and went through 2 years of FCS, then upgraded to FBS. They had good attendance from year one. Coastal Carolina went from Big South to FBS!

I think we need to stop thinking like 2010~2012. I agree with the some of you...make basketball priority. Get some NCAA tourney appearances under our belt. Goal should be to replace Vermont as the team to beat in AE. We can be the best mid major team in northeast/mid-atlantic region outside A10. Make ourselves attractive for A10. This is a more realistic goal.

And that doesn't mean drop football. But be smart and realistic about it. We can keep up the good work. Although I was mad at the time, Hofstra blocking us was a blessing in disguise. We landed our football at the best FCS conference at this side of the country. And we don't have to go to Carolinas for other sports. If attendance improve dramatically we can join Buffalo. If it doesn't, BB in A10 and FB in CAA is not bad.
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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: Game 20: at Albany 1/23/19 7pm
« Last post by Green Baron on January 22, 2019, 01:01:49 pm »
If the Maine game didn't give these guys a kick in the ass, I don't know what will. They can't keep coming back from down 20 forever.
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Conference and Athletics / Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Last post by Green Baron on January 22, 2019, 01:00:53 pm »
As a current freshman, I can confirm that the kids here are absolutely remorseless about being commuters. They don't care a bit about staying for the games and will gladly disappear each weekend to do god-knows-what. Maybe the school should think about making dorming mandatory (I wish)
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Conference and Athletics / Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Last post by Chairman of the Board on January 22, 2019, 12:41:31 pm »
they should just take more upstate kids.  there's the empire grant (?) that allows tuition breaks for those under a certain income (anything above the hudson valley).  makes SB more attractive.  plus there are some better athletes in those other regions. 
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Conference and Athletics / Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
« Last post by iBOsbu on January 22, 2019, 12:38:44 pm »
Lack of kids on campus on weekend going to be a hard problem to fix. Problem is that Stony Brook is not fully commuter school but also not fully residential school. It's like a Hybrid of two. Being close to NYC, but not too close, is both good and bad. City kids can't commute everyday, with homework and studies need to be done. And that's why residential halls are needed. The bad is that city kids can go home over the weekend. Its not Syracuse that kids can't go home in less than an hour drive. These kids grow up following Giants/Jets.
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