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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 02, 2018, 09:19:20 am »
Quote from: Hammertime on March 02, 2018, 08:51:22 am
Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 02, 2018, 08:40:13 am
Quote from: OldSeawolf on March 02, 2018, 07:44:18 am
Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here.  Definitely whetting our appetite on this kid.  I sure hope we land him.

Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too.  Keep up the great works with the analysis!
Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft, Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under). Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film. High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on. Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his perimeter defense shortcomings.

Very good observation, Ball. I also see with Warney he is not a fast dribbler. When Warney rebounds the ball he always looks for a guard to take the ball up court. Keep an eye on that.. AS far as his long ball. Warney never attempted a 3 ball at SB and that is why I think he got over looked in the NBA draft.. However, he is making 3 pointers this season. If he can do that on a consistence basis, like you say I think some team might over look a couple of his deficits..
Really good stuff by you as well. I didn't take note of the fact that he doesn't handle the ball at all. Which is another thing NBA teams would want. Yes he has expanded his range. Like you said it will need to be on the consistent basis

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 02, 2018, 08:42:31 am »
Quote from: Moveitfred on March 02, 2018, 07:39:40 am
Quote from: Hammertime on March 02, 2018, 12:30:50 am
Warney probably lost close to a Million Dollars already hanging around with the G league, Legends..

Yep, from where I sit that's exactly what I think, too. There is obviously a very short window of time these players can make money playing a game, and of course the related possibility of taking care of that money and what it could do for you later in life....

Cannot help but draw the parallel to Coppenwrath, who I thought did exactly the right thing by going overseas right away.
Going Across water is almost always better than playing in the Gleague. Gleaguers get small compensation.Warney would of gotten 200K at minimum coming out of College across water.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 02, 2018, 08:40:13 am »
Quote from: OldSeawolf on March 02, 2018, 07:44:18 am
Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here.  Definitely whetting our appetite on this kid.  I sure hope we land him.

Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too.  Keep up the great works with the analysis!
Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft, Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under). Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film. High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on. Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his perimeter defense shortcomings.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 02, 2018, 07:15:37 am »
Otchere's offense is mostly Drop off passes that he turns into explosive dunks or finishes with a power lay up or gets contact to go to the line.8 out of 10 times that's the result he gets on dribble drive and dump off.(Garden City Guards don't dump off enough). On pick and roll he can catch and finish. He dives to hard after setting a screen. His feet are so quick that he can slip a screen faster a defense can call it out which would cause all kinds of havoc with a steady guard handling it. He can also screen and rescreen faster than 99% of bigs due to those cat quick feet. Picture getting screened on your left and before you can turn your head the same guy is screening you on your right, you'll be stuck. And the ball handler you're defending is barreling down the lane while Otchere is rolling to the rim. He's a great vertical spacer in the mold a guy like Jarrett Allen from the Brooklyn Nets. You can Lob it up to him in transition, halfcourt or broken plays. The guards at Garden City have lobbed the ball up to him maybe 5 times all season in the games I've seen. And I've spotted over 20 scenarios where a simple on- line lob would of resulted in 2 points for them. His right hand jump hook on the baseline or going middle is respectable. He seals hard too. His guards give him the ball 3 out of every 10 times he seals his man. I feel his right hand jump hook is reliable enough that I'd give it to him every time he has a guy sealed really well. This jump hook is a catch and go up jump hook or a one dribble then go up Jump hook. He doesn't take a lot of dribbles and seems like he isn't confident in putting the ball on the ground. Lots of room for growth there. With his quickness, if he could face up and put it on the floor, it would be scary. Guys with his foot speed almost exclusively face up. His skill set does not allow him to do so currently. He needs to improve his left hand also. If he goes over his right shoulder he still likes to favor his right hand. Not a good thing. Remember how good warney was going over that right shoulder with his left hand!! Otchere's reach is so high that very few people on any level of basketball would be able to block it. He's taken 2 mid range jumpers in all the games I've watched and no 3's. He shot in the 30's from the line in the first half of the year shot in the 50's from the line the second half of the year. You can visibly see some tweaks in his approach to the free throw line in the second half of his season. That's a great sign. Means the kid took some coaching and implemented it during a season. His offense also includes put backs. I believe of his 5 rebounds per game. 2 were offensive. Let's remember that's at 15 minutes per game. Give him 25 minutes per and that's 4 offensive rebounds he'll get. He converts half of his offensive rebounds.Sometimes in the putback dunk variety. He also offensive rebounds then kicks it out to reset the O. His quick feet once again help him in this department. He doesn't also get inside position but his agility and motor allows him to track the ball when his teammates miss. He'll need to get position then track the ball at the next level but there is something there.
If he free throw production can continue going upward. He may be able to shoot 60% for a season. Whatever tweaks he's been making are bringing results. Which leads me to believe he can become a respectable Mid range jump shooter in the next couple of years. Free throw improvement typically indicates a player can improve as a shooter overall. That's Pretty much Otchere's current offensive game, His offensive upside and why he produces the way he does now.

If Otchere were a Seawolf for the upcoming Albany game tomorrow and played 20 minutes I could see him putting up better numbers than he does in Juco because Boals would make sure he touched the ball more.
He'd run a lob play or 2 for him. He'd get him in pick and rolls diving to the rim, a kid like McKenzie would be looking for him and find him a lot better than his current Juco teammates do.
He'd get 2 rim running buckets off long misses that a guard rebounds. Rim running baskets are automatic for guys that gifted. 2 rim running baskets may be underestimating but not trying to go overboard. He'd get 1 offensive putback. Thats with his ability today just a better surrounding cast and more touches and more playing time.
After a full summer with a college staff there is no telling the kind of impact he'd be able to make from Day 1 if he puts on Red and white.

His defensive acumen speaks for itself. He'd be the best defender in the AE today.
Scary part is Otchere can get better there also. He stands up on the perimeter a lot. Takes bad angles at times, his physical gifts allow him to recover. Times he does sit in a stance even guards have a hard time getting past him.Also he doesn't block shots with his left hand much, if he did he'd stop reaching across himself with his right hand and collecting silly fouls in the process. There is still major upside to his defense and that's his calling card.

If Otchere becomes a Seawolf and continues improving over the summer and becomes less foul prone I could envision a season like this for him as Sophomore:
25 minutes per, 12-14 Points Per, 8 Rebounds Per, 4 blocks Per, 1 steal per
55% FT, 60% FG

Favorite for DPOY in the AE


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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 02, 2018, 05:24:29 am »
Quote from: Checkmate on March 01, 2018, 07:18:09 pm
Quote from: sbufan on March 01, 2018, 03:43:55 pm
Quote from: Hammertime on March 01, 2018, 03:33:32 pm
Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 01, 2018, 11:52:49 am
I'm right with you.

"As of now, Otchere hasn’t trimmed his list and is keeping his options open. In March, he’ll try and cut it down to five schools and is looking to make a decision in April or May. Otchere will have three years of eligibility left when he enrolls in a division one program in the fall."

That was from that Zagsblog article posted in here not to long ago.
Link: http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/2018-juco-center-jeffrey-otchere-talks-recruiting-development/

This month would be great with a run at the AE title and SB being in Otchere's final 5

Sounds like if he doesnt get an offer from a high major and only mid major offers, Otchere likes Fordham.. Or Wichita State.. Cant blame him one bit going out West!!

Zags Blog has a new york city focus and probably asked about Fordham since it's in the Bronx. I think the big takeaway is that he wants to make an impact and play right away, which we can offer with the graduation of Petrus and Sturdivant leaving a big void down low. Boals can also talk up his experience coaching NBA players Evan Turner, D'angelo Russell, and Jared Sullinger while at Ohio State. I'm not confident we can land him, but it seems within reason.

The bit about immediate playing time has to be a huuuuuge selling point. He could come in and almost be guaranteed 25-30 minutes a night for the next three years. I wonder why he doesn’t see that kind of burn at GCCC.

Maybe foul trouble - eek. 11 minutes in each of the last two games, 5 fouls and 4 fouls. Whatever. Take the good with the bad.

Let’s get Jameel on the phone with him. Of the schools who are after him, who has a more decorated big, a freakin USA Basketball POY, like we do with Warney?


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Juco's not a big mans game. Very guard oriented.
For comparison sake, it's a 6'10 Juco big named Jehthro Tshisumpa Mbiya from San Jacinto Central College. Kid is committed to Mississippi State. His averages were 8.3 PPG and 6.5 RPG in 20 minutes per game. He'also averaged 3.8 blocks per game. Otchere's Scoring and Rebounding averages are slightly under the Mbiya kids averages and his blocks per game average was the same while he played 6 minutes more per game than Otchere and this kid is a transfer from Arizona State who then went Juco for this past season and is now headed to Mississippi State.
Otchere has more Total blocks than Mbiya.
I bring Mbiya into the equation because its an example of how gifted bigs don't get off in juco,but also to say SB is in the running for a kid who is a better defender than Power 5 conference bigs.
Otchere's offense needs to round out and he needs to be more disciplined to not get in foul trouble. I've watched a few Garden City games on YouTube and that's been my conclusion.
Also he has a STUD Freshman big man at his Juco, From New Jersey 6'8 kid averaging 17 and 9. Potent offensive player. Name is Jamir Thomas. Maybe SB lands otchere in 2018 and gets his teammate in 2019. That would be outrageous. Thomas is a better offensive option than Otchere and plays more.  Kid can space the court with shooting and bang inside with a 245 pound frame and nimble feet.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 02, 2018, 05:04:32 am »
Quote from: Hammertime on March 02, 2018, 12:30:50 am
Quote from: Moveitfred on March 01, 2018, 09:34:48 pm
Quote from: OldSeawolf on March 01, 2018, 07:33:06 pm
Speaking of Jameel, what is Mark Cuban’s problem? Jameel is tearing it up in G and Mavs are going nowhere. Why isn’t he playing in Dallas yet?

With these stories circulating about the bottom teams purposefully losing this year, maybe that's exactly the problem...Jameel is too good and might contribute to the Mavs winning games!  :) ???
Hammertime, your whole statement is so spot on.
Warney has missed out on a BIG BAG chasing the NBA dream
Warney needs to get out of the Maverick affiliate, Texas Legends and move someplace else. He is not under any contract with them and is going nowhere fast.. Look at all the money he lost hanging around the G league, hopping for an invite up.. He should have just gone over to the Asian league, the highest paying international BB league, and if you are really that good the NBA will find you. Warney probably lost close to a Million Dollars already hanging around with the G league, Legends..
Hammertime, you are spot on. Warney has missed out on a Big bag of $$, chasing the NBA dream.
Warney's biggest drawback is that he isn't a Floor spacer nor is he a dynamic pick and roll defender. To get that call up it's not about IF YOU PRODUCE, more about HOW YOU PRODUCE.
Less productive guys are getting call ups but they fit the current NBA game better. 7-10 years ago Warney would of been called up by now

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: Stony Brook Seawolves Basketball News, Press Releases, etc
« on: March 01, 2018, 05:55:04 pm »
Quote from: Checkmate on March 01, 2018, 04:26:27 pm
Quote from: sbufan on March 01, 2018, 03:34:48 pm
Yeboah and Olaniyi are going to be fun to watch the next couple of years.

I just hope that Yeboah doesn't pull a Nyama and, with degree in hand, go to play pro ball after next year.
I worry as well. He'll have six figure offers after next season overseas.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: Stony Brook Seawolves Basketball News, Press Releases, etc
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:38:33 pm »
Elijah wins the Rookie of the year award.
Yoboah makes 2nd team all conference

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:52:49 am »
Quote from: Hammertime on March 01, 2018, 10:00:51 am
Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 01, 2018, 09:33:22 am
Quote from: Hammertime on March 01, 2018, 05:56:46 am
Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 01, 2018, 05:15:44 am
Latimer is already the best commitment in the AE. If Otchere becomes a seawolf, it's the best recruiting class in the conference by a nice margin.

50% FT shooter. Cant expect much better than that from a big

http://www.gobroncbusters.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/bios/otchere_jeff_19o3?view=gamelog&pos=sh
When you look a little deeper at the Stat breakdown the kid shot a lot better at the line during second semester of school than first semester. Over 10% better.  Points to in season improvement.
Checked out block stats and he finished with the most total blocks nationally.
Almost 4 blocks per game in 14.5 minutes per game. Coaches would kill for that kind of rim protection.
Fouls seem to hinder him for right now! 

I think Boals and the staff are smart enough to know when they are gonna miss on a kid and pull back on recruiting them and wasting resources. Frankie Pollicelli is an example of that.
If it's this late and SBU is flying all the way to Kansas for this kid then I'd think there is something there.
When a kid has 20 plus offers he picks and chooses who he wants to have dialogue and engage with.
Regardless of New Mexico State,Washington State,Utah State,Portland and schools like that being involved, SBU's staff visiting him this late is a really good sign.

Man.. All we can do is hope he decides to come to SB to further his education. Is there a deadline for his recruiting. How much time do we have to land him.

Thanks for all your insights..
I'm right with you.

"As of now, Otchere hasn’t trimmed his list and is keeping his options open. In March, he’ll try and cut it down to five schools and is looking to make a decision in April or May. Otchere will have three years of eligibility left when he enrolls in a division one program in the fall."

That was from that Zagsblog article posted in here not to long ago.
Link: http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/2018-juco-center-jeffrey-otchere-talks-recruiting-development/

This month would be great with a run at the AE title and SB being in Otchere's final 5

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:37:22 am »
Quote from: Hammertime on March 01, 2018, 05:52:40 am
Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 01, 2018, 05:15:44 am
Latimer is already the best commitment in the AE. If Otchere becomes a seawolf, it's the best recruiting class in the conference by a nice margin.

I just watched Otchere video. If Boals actually lands this stud he would probably go down as the best recruit the AE has ever seen..

http://verbalcommits.com/players/jeffrey-otchere
I think is Boals lands him that he'll have a chance to be AE's best shot blocker ever.


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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:33:22 am »
Quote from: Hammertime on March 01, 2018, 05:56:46 am
Quote from: Ballhard000 on March 01, 2018, 05:15:44 am
Latimer is already the best commitment in the AE. If Otchere becomes a seawolf, it's the best recruiting class in the conference by a nice margin.

50% FT shooter. Cant expect much better than that from a big

http://www.gobroncbusters.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/bios/otchere_jeff_19o3?view=gamelog&pos=sh
When you look a little deeper at the Stat breakdown the kid shot a lot better at the line during second semester of school than first semester. Over 10% better.  Points to in season improvement.
Checked out block stats and he finished with the most total blocks nationally.
Almost 4 blocks per game in 14.5 minutes per game. Coaches would kill for that kind of rim protection.
Fouls seem to hinder him for right now! 

I think Boals and the staff are smart enough to know when they are gonna miss on a kid and pull back on recruiting them and wasting resources. Frankie Pollicelli is an example of that.
If it's this late and SBU is flying all the way to Kansas for this kid then I'd think there is something there.
When a kid has 20 plus offers he picks and chooses who he wants to have dialogue and engage with.
Regardless of New Mexico State,Washington State,Utah State,Portland and schools like that being involved, SBU's staff visiting him this late is a really good sign.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: March 01, 2018, 05:15:44 am »
Latimer is already the best commitment in the AE. If Otchere becomes a seawolf, it's the best recruiting class in the conference by a nice margin.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: February 26, 2018, 11:59:18 pm »
Dotson would be a good get. Kid has a huge chip on his shoulder also. Was looked over by D1's and went D2 outta HS. He's put his work at the D2 level and Juco level(High level Juco)now looking to impact the D1 level. Which he will. Knowing why a kid plays and what they are playing for is a big part of evaluating a guy for me. A kid with that kind of backstory and drive WON'T LOSE.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: February 22, 2018, 01:34:13 pm »
Quote from: OldSeawolf on February 22, 2018, 12:33:05 pm
Quote from: Ballhard000 on February 22, 2018, 12:22:35 pm
Cornish is a stud if he could harness his athleticism. He will get a lot better over the summer, I wouldn't count him out. Latimer can help some with Bball handling duties.

Don't disagree with his athleticism - next to Saintel, probably the 2nd most athletic guy on team currently.  However, he needs to slow the game down, be a lot more prudent and judicious in his decision making, and as you state, harness that athleticism.  He is out of control currently more than he is in control.  Looking forward to seeing this Latimer kid.
I think you're absolutely right, hopefully he improves over the summer. Some guys make a big jump over the summer. Hope he's one of them.

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SBU Men's Basketball / Re: 2018 Recruiting
« on: February 22, 2018, 12:22:35 pm »
Cornish is a stud if he could harness his athleticism. He will get a lot better over the summer, I wouldn't count him out. Latimer can help some with Bball handling duties.

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