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Title: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on March 29, 2020, 02:54:57 pm
The more the hot stove heats up, the more I think that we're going to have a few new faces in 2020-21 – Ceesay gone, Latimer gone, Garcia a flight risk as a grad transfer, Olaniyi (Ceesay's buddy) declaring for the draft, maybe an underachiever opts/is asked to transfer.

I don't know anything about Garcia's personal or academic situation, but my suspicion that he goes elsewhere is growing. You see all these immediately eligible people making huge jumps in level of play. Two guys from Quinnipiac just committed to Boston College and Texas A&M. Jordan Bruner from Yale, who we saw this year, will go someplace big. And maybe Garcia doesn't make the impact that Yeboah did this winter, but I believe he could be a solid reserve or sixth man on a high-major, a little more on the next tier down. I know not every redshirt senior transfers; it just seems that way.

I missed this last month but it's a nice bit by the B1G Network.

https://twitter.com/RutgersOnBTN/status/1227623813195669507

Vermont's already taken advantage of some transfers going in the other direction, adding Justin Mazzulla from GW and more recently Tomas Murphy from Northeastern. And of course they'll play immediately and likely make an impact.

Feels like we're skidding, but I'm hoping we get some good news soon.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 29, 2020, 04:33:35 pm
Good to start this now, Checkmate, as there’s no baseball (or anything) to distract us.

As I’ve stated, can’t see Olaniyi getting drafted. Although he took his game to the next level this past season, he wasn’t nearly as dominating as Warney was his senior year, or Lamb in his Junior (or Senior) year, and neither were drafted.  Additionally, the nba draft is slated for 6/25, and could get delayed, especially if nba tries to squeeze some form of playoffs in this year. That would delay guys working out for teams, and certainly doesn’t work in Olaniyi’s favor. I’d be surprised if we don’t see him back next season.

Garcia had a great season as a 2nd teamer, but he’s not in the same class as Yeboah, imo. As you stated, he could prob be a good bench or role player for a high major, but does that give him the visibility, if he wants to play pro (I’m talking Europe)?  Perhaps. He might be better off playing here and becoming a 1st teamer, and using that as a launching pad.  A couple of recent comparisons: Joe Cremo (UA who transferred to Nova) wound up in NBA G league last year (and he was a sub for Nova); David Nicholls (UA who transferred to Fla St as a sub) isn’t playing anywhere. Both were AE 1st teamers, I believe. I’m going to say 60% that Garcia is back next year, but I’m sure that Olaniyi’s nba draft announcement has definitely got him thinking.

Those who could be dropped from scholly’s: Christie (who hasn’t played a lick in 2 years and won’t next season), Alleyne, and Kadisha.

IMO, and just pure speculation on my part, possible flight risk: TPP.  Just based on a hunch with his body language with Geno during the season.  However, with Latimer's departure, I give this a 20% chance.

I’m sure this thread will have a lot more posts in the next 6 months+. Hope everyone is staying safe and is healthy.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on March 29, 2020, 08:44:23 pm
Good to start this now, Checkmate, as there’s no baseball (or anything) to distract us.

As I’ve stated, can’t see Olaniyi getting drafted. Although he took his game to the next level this past season, he wasn’t nearly as dominating as Warney was his senior year, or Lamb in his Junior (or Senior) year, and neither were drafted.  Additionally, the nba draft is slated for 6/25, and could get delayed, especially if nba tries to squeeze some form of playoffs in this year. That would delay guys working out for teams, and certainly doesn’t work in Olaniyi’s favor. I’d be surprised if we don’t see him back next season.

Garcia had a great season as a 2nd teamer, but he’s not in the same class as Yeboah, imo. As you stated, he could prob be a good bench or role player for a high major, but does that give him the visibility, if he wants to play pro (I’m talking Europe)?  Perhaps. He might be better off playing here and becoming a 1st teamer, and using that as a launching pad.  A couple of recent comparisons: Joe Cremo (UA who transferred to Nova) wound up in NBA G league last year (and he was a sub for Nova); David Nicholls (UA who transferred to Fla St as a sub) isn’t playing anywhere. Both were AE 1st teamers, I believe. I’m going to say 60% that Garcia is back next year, but I’m sure that Olaniyi’s nba draft announcement has definitely got him thinking.

Those who could be dropped from scholly’s: Christie (who hasn’t played a lick in 2 years and won’t next season), Alleyne, and Kadisha.

IMO, and just pure speculation on my part, possible flight risk: TPP.  Just based on a hunch with his body language with Geno during the season.  However, with Latimer's departure, I give this a 20% chance.

I’m sure this thread will have a lot more posts in the next 6 months+. Hope everyone is staying safe and is healthy.

I just think the temptation is so so strong for a competitive 22-year-old kid who has a chance to taste big-time college basketball, no matter the role. In addition to Cremo, Nichols and Yeboah, Wes Myers (Maine) averaged 22 minutes a game at South Carolina, which averaged more than 13,000 fans at their home games that year. Aaron Calixte (also Maine) averaged 21 minutes in his one season at Oklahoma. If you have your degree, don't have to wait, and can go play at the highest level in front of those crowds AND go to a NCAA tournament as an at-large rather than banking on 40 minutes on one day in March, I cannot blame a kid for giving it a shot. I'd almost encourage him to do it.

For reference, Yeboah entered the transfer portal on or around March 21 of last year.

Alleyne and Kadisha are walk-ons.

And Nichols is averaging 24 and 5 for his pro team in Cyprus FWIW. Calixte's in Georgia – not that Georgia, the other Georgia – and Myers in Austria. It's so interesting where these guys end up.

Title: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on March 30, 2020, 06:49:43 pm
Latimer officially out. Headed to Bucknell.

https://twitter.com/mles30/status/1244758483997777923?s=21

In other news, Sessoms to Penn State

https://twitter.com/samuel_sessoms/status/1244746420445417473?s=21

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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 30, 2020, 07:17:26 pm
That was quick. Must have been in the works for a bit. They were 14-20 this year; bit of an off-year.  Lateral move conference-wise, and has to sit a year.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on March 30, 2020, 07:38:59 pm
That was quick. Must have been in the works for a bit. They were 14-20 this year; bit of an off-year.  Lateral move conference-wise, and has to sit a year.

One down and more to go.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 30, 2020, 08:21:44 pm
Of note with Latimer’s tweet announcement, no thanks to the coaching staff, and no players or coaches Liked his tweet. Looks like a bit of an acrimonious split.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: bison137 on March 30, 2020, 11:15:59 pm
That was quick. Must have been in the works for a bit. They were 14-20 this year; bit of an off-year.  Lateral move conference-wise, and has to sit a year.


Couldn't have been in the works for long.   Bucknell didn't have a scholarship available until eleven days ago, when a player told the coaches he was transferring.    Bucknell doesn't allow coaches to non-renew scholarships, so there was no room before then.     However Bucknell recruited him fairly hard the spring of his junior year before he committed to SBU, so the coaches already knew him and vice versa.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on March 31, 2020, 04:07:21 am
Of note with Latimer’s tweet announcement, no thanks to the coaching staff, and no players or coaches Liked his tweet. Looks like a bit of an acrimonious split.

I did notice that too.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 31, 2020, 10:21:12 am
Couldn't have been in the works for long.   Bucknell didn't have a scholarship available until eleven days ago, when a player told the coaches he was transferring.    Bucknell doesn't allow coaches to non-renew scholarships, so there was no room before then.     However Bucknell recruited him fairly hard the spring of his junior year before he committed to SBU, so the coaches already knew him and vice versa.

Thanks for your perspective.  Wish him luck moving forward.  He hit a couple of big shots this year for us, but his overall #'s were down, and we had the emergence of a Freshman who took away some of his minutes. But he still got 27 MPG.  Hopefully, he can get back to his Freshman production in his new environment.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on March 31, 2020, 11:33:28 am
WOW.

Otchere transferring. Best of luck, Jeff. And to GreatK, thank you for your candid insight.

What is happening???

I think we all were very excited when he came here, figuring he was a game changer on the defensive end. And he was when he could stay on the floor. We'd take what he could give us offensively – the occasional putback and dunk – if he could alter shots, and as frustrating as the foul trouble was for him and us, he does have two first team All-Defensive honors and a Defensive POY award to his credit. I hope he finds a good landing spot. He's immediately eligible, so I could see an upper tier team bringing him in for minutes off the bench.

Is that it, or will more players exit?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 31, 2020, 11:35:47 am
WOW.

Otchere transferring.

What is happening???

Was just about to post this too.  This is crazy.  Major loss of minutes for him this year; has got to be the reason:

https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1245010150362091521?s=20
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 31, 2020, 11:49:56 am
IMO, losing Otchere hurts a lot more than losing Latimer, even though Jeff's playing time (17 MPG) was reduced severely with the emergence of Mo.  Chef is now going to have to step up big time, and maybe this creates an avenue for Christie to now play a role.

I'm going to bet that a bigger program is going to take a chance with Jeff, given his length and DPOY resume.

Checkmate (or CoB), maybe we should close this thread now, to stop the bleeding......
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on March 31, 2020, 11:54:52 am
IMO, losing Otchere hurts a lot more than losing Latimer, even though Jeff's playing time was reduced severely with the emergence of Mo.  Chef is now going to have to step up big time, and maybe this creates an avenue for Christie to now play a role.

I'm going to bet that a bigger program is going to take a chance with Jeff, given his length and DPOY resume.

Checkmate (or CoB), maybe we should close this thread now, to stop the bleeding......

Not surprised. Maybe some of you people on this forum will realize Geno Ford sucks as a head coach, and I've been saying this for a while now!!. Garcia will probably be next
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on March 31, 2020, 12:01:56 pm
Reduction in playing minutes has got to be the common thread with both Latimer and Otchere leaving. Didn’t even know that Otchere qualified as a grad transfer, but I really hate the grad transfer rule now. It’s small school bias.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 31, 2020, 12:07:36 pm
more big news, wow.

i'd have to think this opens the door for the chef, no?

for whatever this is worth- that junior class just had too many players.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on March 31, 2020, 12:39:40 pm
IMO, losing Otchere hurts a lot more than losing Latimer, even though Jeff's playing time (17 MPG) was reduced severely with the emergence of Mo.  Chef is now going to have to step up big time, and maybe this creates an avenue for Christie to now play a role.

I'm going to bet that a bigger program is going to take a chance with Jeff, given his length and DPOY resume.

Checkmate (or CoB), maybe we should close this thread now, to stop the bleeding......

(Christie, to play a role)? Now that is hitting rock bottom. Chef doesnt have the BB IQ to be a starter. If Mo leaves then there is a huge internal problem going on at Stony Brook.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 31, 2020, 12:41:54 pm
so as it stands now- this is what the roster looks like (corrections welcome please):

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM
slash: policelli, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: chef, christie
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 31, 2020, 12:53:04 pm
so as it stands now- this is what the roster looks like (corrections welcome please):

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM
slash: policelli, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: chef, christie

Yeah, except your forgot Elijah.  He's as good as coming back, IMO.

Flight risks from here: 

Garcia - Please don't go!!!!!!!

4man - doubtful, given his prominent role, but since Jeff did the double transfer, we now know that he is certainly eligible)

TPP - my opinion only, based on his body language with Geno, but also not likely with Latimer leaving)

Can't see Mac or Chef leaving at this point, but who knows at this point.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on March 31, 2020, 12:55:54 pm
so as it stands now- this is what the roster looks like (corrections welcome please):

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM
slash: policelli, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: chef, christie

A friend nicknamed Foreman "Chuck". I wish I had thought of that.

Starting five is still formidable – TSM, Foreman, Policelli, Garcia and Gueye right now. I fully expect Olaniyi to return so he'd go in for TSM or Policelli ... although maybe they go back in if Garcia goes. VERY thin after that. The exits are alarming, but we'll bring in reinforcements – jucos or grad transfers of our own.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on March 31, 2020, 12:56:27 pm
Hopefully we use the transfer market to our advantage, or continue our Juco pipeline. Not looking at the stats rn but I think Mo averaged more minutes than Jeff despite coming off the bench?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 31, 2020, 01:01:49 pm
so as it stands now- this is what the roster looks like (corrections welcome please):

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM
slash: policelli, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: chef, christie

Yeah, except your forgot Elijah.  He's as good as coming back, IMO.

i was doing more of a worst case scenario- then i thought- maybe the worst isnt over!

what do we know about policelli in the paint?  i havent seen video in a long while.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 31, 2020, 01:04:46 pm
are other teams in the AE experiencing this?

i personally would rather have chef on the floor much more- considering that gueye nor policelli (i dont think) is really a "big" in the normal sense. 

otherwise it's really small ball- all the time.  who's gonna get all those boards?  from all those record breaking three point attempts we take???

if you add ola back in, then we lose two players who had somewhat limited minutes.  still hurts.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 31, 2020, 01:13:34 pm
are other teams in the AE experiencing this?

i personally would rather have chef on the floor much more- considering that gueye nor policelli (i dont think) is really a "big" in the normal sense. 

otherwise it's really small ball- all the time.  who's gonna get all those boards?  from all those record breaking three point attempts we take???

if you add ola back in, then we lose two players who had somewhat limited minutes.  still hurts.

Well, Bing just lost their franchise guy.  UA went through this 2 years ago (Cremo, Nicholls).  As Checkmate pointed out, Calixta and Myers with Maine recently.  Welcome to the world of free agency - I personally hate it; kids are basically a rental for a year or 2 max these days.

Huge oppty for Chef, as now we have a bit of a big deficiency, esp since Mo is foul prone.  I think Christie has incentive to work hard in the off-season, as he becomes an insurance policy of sorts.  Losing Jeff certainly hurts, even if it was for only 17 MPG.

I know some of you guys think Latimer is a big loss, but with TSM, TPP, and Policelli in the mix, I don't think we skip a bit at the 2.

Every time I see VC come up on my Twitter feed, I hold my breath..........
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 31, 2020, 01:37:42 pm
Here's a comparison of Otchere's and Latimer's statistics over their 2 years:

Latimer Stats:
              GP   MIN   FG%3P%   FT%   REB   AST   BLK   STL   PF   TO   PTS
2019-20 32   26.5 34.8   34.1   74.5   2.9   1.5   0.2   0.9   1.7   1.4   7.0
2018-19 33   31.7 38.8   38.7   76.9   3.6   1.4   0.2   0.9   1.8   1.3   10.6

Otchere Stats:
              GP      MIN   FG%3P%   FT% REB   AST   BLK   STL   PF   TO   PTS
2019-20 33    17.1   54.2   0.0   45.9   5.4   0.5   1.5   0.2   2.4   1.3   2.8
2018-19 33    18.0   56.1   0.0   65.5   4.2   0.5   2.4   0.2   3.0   1.2   4.4

Sorry if this doesn't render right on phones; couldn't upload images.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on March 31, 2020, 01:54:24 pm
I’m just playing armchair psychologist here, but maybe Jeff didn’t like sharing the spotlight with Mo. his Individual stats did go down even though the team stats went up. He went from DPOY, 78 blocks to 49 while Mo led the team.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on March 31, 2020, 06:00:47 pm
IMO, losing Otchere hurts a lot more than losing Latimer, even though Jeff's playing time (17 MPG) was reduced severely with the emergence of Mo.  Chef is now going to have to step up big time, and maybe this creates an avenue for Christie to now play a role.

I'm going to bet that a bigger program is going to take a chance with Jeff, given his length and DPOY resume.

Checkmate (or CoB), maybe we should close this thread now, to stop the bleeding......

Christie playing a role?? We're definitely scraping the bottom now if that's the case. Ford is clearly doing something wrong here. We had tons of talent on this team this past year, but lost way more games than we should have. Now the whole roster is falling apart. I have no idea how all of this will shake out, but the way things are looking, we'll be lucky to finish in the top half of the AE next year. Which is a ridiculous fall.

Looks like the people warning us about Ford were right!!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 31, 2020, 06:04:25 pm
or maybe the purging is what we need.

wish list- players that pass, players that post. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on March 31, 2020, 09:34:54 pm
We've had offers out for some time now for what seem to be really good PGs and CGs, but have received no commitments.  Other teams have seemed to gobble up some pretty good candidates, even what I would consider less significantly less attractive programs.  Coach F. and Coach W. better get on the stick fast--before all the choice pickins dry up!!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 31, 2020, 10:09:32 pm
Sorry, but I think Geno did a good job keeping the team together, especially after losing his best player (Yeboah), and then losing his best remaining player (Elijah) during the season. With the emergence of Mo, Jeff’s inability to stay on the court and his inability to score, can anyone blame him for playing Mo more than Jeff?  Jeff’s mentor and biggest cheerleader on this board had Jeff going to the NBA, and filling the kid’s head with those unrealistic dreams. When Mo blew him out of the water in most categories, you can’t fault Geno for decreasing his mins. Jeff thinks he’s getting a raw deal, and he transfers, end of story.

Latimer’s #’s we’re down across the board, and imo, his shot selection got worse. TSM earned and stole some of his minutes, and deservedly so. Geno still gave him 27 mpg, but Latimer obviously didn’t like coming off bench, even though he still played major minutes. Is it Geno’s fault that Latimer thinks he deserves 35 mins per game? I don’t think so.

Give Geno some credit for winning 20 games, and getting to semis with his gimpy star. Hartford went out and got some exceptional transfers; as much as I hate this new world of transfer thing, maybe we need to do the same.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: ThegreatK on April 01, 2020, 08:48:04 am
Let me say Geno Ford’s a tremendous Coach and has SBU headed where it should be. No one should be questioning his abilities.
Jeff transferring only has to do with 1 thing, playing where guards throw Lobs, dump offs, and hit rollers. (Think Binghamton game last season). Last season Boals would influence that. There were several conference games where Kwasi just lobbed it up to Jeff from the Free throw/elbow area.
Splitting time with Mo was no big deal. If you recall I was quoted as saying last summer that Mo is better offensively and blocks shots as well. For the way Geno would like to play, Mo fits that bill better. Plain and simple. As we say in the neighborhood “I ain’t no hater.”
It’s just tough to get a rhythm playing the way he had to play. Take free throw shooting for example, 65% to 45% on less attempts. That’s a rhythm thing.
As for NBA aspirations, if you advise and train prospects you want to push them to their optimal goal but you don’t get delusional. You inform them of their weaknesses, where they need to fill in gaps in their game and so on. There’s only 2 types of 5’s in today’s NBA. The Stretch 5 who’s shooting 35% or better from 3 or the Rim running lob catching 5. If you’re the latter kind, you’ve got to be with guards who look to throw the ball up by the square every chance they get and that only amplifies that guys defense because they are involved or in Rhythm on offense. That’s reality.
Jeff will likely never be a Stretch 5 and won’t have a reliable stroke that he trust and his coaches trust til he’s like 26 years of age. That’s as real as it gets.
He’s no NBA guy offensively (even with a lob throwing guard). He is Defensively though.
Bottom line is Jeff’s got to get better on O and in the meantime seek out Lob throwing, Drive draw dish guards to make it easy on himself on that side of the floor.
Just wanted to give some insight and clear the air on what truly goes into making certain choices.

Side notes: Garcia is not likely to leave. He loves it here and he was used in a way that suits him.
Frankie will see some time at the 5 spot also and really spread teams out. Word is the Fire department has had to come into practices due to the nets catching flame from that kid. Better shooter than Freshman Latimer but he’s 6’9. Fits Geno’s system like Michael Jackson’s hand in a glitter glove (Rest in peace).
Mo’s gonna be 35% from downtown.
Garcia’s stroking it. So your front court is gonna really be dragging defenses out. Olaniyi will be 20-22 a game next year. I can’t imagine how much downhill buckets he will be getting with all those floor spacers on the floor including himself.
Another note: When Geno gets the Seawolves to the Dance and moves on. Administration and Boosters should be ready to throw the Keys at Coach Bryan Weber. Stud in the making.

Please be safe out here and God bless you all in this crisis.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 01, 2020, 09:21:31 am
Let me say Geno Ford’s a tremendous Coach and has SBU headed where it should be. No one should be questioning his abilities.
Jeff transferring only has to do with 1 thing, playing where guards throw Lobs, dump offs, and hit rollers. (Think Binghamton game last season). Last season Boals would influence that. There were several conference games where Kwasi just lobbed it up to Jeff from the Free throw/elbow area.
Splitting time with Mo was no big deal. If you recall I was quoted as saying last summer that Mo is better offensively and blocks shots as well. For the way Geno would like to play, Mo fits that bill better. Plain and simple. As we say in the neighborhood “I ain’t no hater.”
It’s just tough to get a rhythm playing the way he had to play. Take free throw shooting for example, 65% to 45% on less attempts. That’s a rhythm thing.
As for NBA aspirations, if you advise and train prospects you want to push them to their optimal goal but you don’t get delusional. You inform them of their weaknesses, where they need to fill in gaps in their game and so on. There’s only 2 types of 5’s in today’s NBA. The Stretch 5 who’s shooting 35% or better from 3 or the Rim running lob catching 5. If you’re the latter kind, you’ve got to be with guards who look to throw the ball up by the square every chance they get and that only amplifies that guys defense because they are involved or in Rhythm on offense. That’s reality.
Jeff will likely never be a Stretch 5 and won’t have a reliable stroke that he trust and his coaches trust til he’s like 26 years of age. That’s as real as it gets.
He’s no NBA guy offensively (even with a lob throwing guard). He is Defensively though.
Bottom line is Jeff’s got to get better on O and in the meantime seek out Lob throwing, Drive draw dish guards to make it easy on himself on that side of the floor.
Just wanted to give some insight and clear the air on what truly goes into making certain choices.

Side notes: Garcia is not likely to leave. He loves it here and he was used in a way that suits him.
Frankie will see some time at the 5 spot also and really spread teams out. Word is the Fire department has had to come into practices due to the nets catching flame from that kid. Better shooter than Freshman Latimer but he’s 6’9. Fits Geno’s system like Michael Jackson’s hand in a glitter glove (Rest in peace).
Mo’s gonna be 35% from downtown.
Garcia’s stroking it. So your front court is gonna really be dragging defenses out. Olaniyi will be 20-22 a game next year. I can’t imagine how much downhill buckets he will be getting with all those floor spacers on the floor including himself.
Another note: When Geno gets the Seawolves to the Dance and moves on. Administration and Boosters should be ready to throw the Keys at Coach Bryan Weber. Stud in the making.

Please be safe out here and God bless you all in this crisis.

Good stuff here, GreatK. We wish him the best. Any leads on where he's off to, or the kind of schools he's looking at? He'll be an asset wherever he is.

We sorely missed a legitimate floor general this year. Just not enough penetration with the intent to distribute, not enough dumpoffs to cutters or guys on the block. And it's part personnel, part system. I feel like anything we got at the rim was either on a drive from 20 feet out or on a putback – never anything easy. How many times did we see Mitchell or somebody fire across the defense and get an uncontested layup off an entry pass for Hartford? Woodhouse would have been perfect – probably enough to get past Vermont (er, Hartford) and to the Dance. I sure hope we address that this spring.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 01, 2020, 09:24:29 am
thanks GK.  sounds like what i've been saying- pass the ball.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: SaltySeawolf on April 01, 2020, 11:09:37 am
Dumb question - is ThegreatK Jeff's father or some other close relation?  Good informative post.

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Moveitfred on April 01, 2020, 11:39:05 am
Dumb question - is ThegreatK Jeff's father or some other close relation?  Good informative post.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. The Great K has spoken!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: ThegreatK on April 01, 2020, 12:28:50 pm
Dumb question - is ThegreatK Jeff's father or some other close relation?  Good informative post.
Close Relation
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on April 01, 2020, 12:45:44 pm
I can’t count how many times other teams backdoor cut against us for an easy bucket while we really failed at that. I think Elijah led the team in assists as a 2/3, which really tells it all
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: ThegreatK on April 01, 2020, 01:12:25 pm
Let me say Geno Ford’s a tremendous Coach and has SBU headed where it should be. No one should be questioning his abilities.
Jeff transferring only has to do with 1 thing, playing where guards throw Lobs, dump offs, and hit rollers. (Think Binghamton game last season). Last season Boals would influence that. There were several conference games where Kwasi just lobbed it up to Jeff from the Free throw/elbow area.
Splitting time with Mo was no big deal. If you recall I was quoted as saying last summer that Mo is better offensively and blocks shots as well. For the way Geno would like to play, Mo fits that bill better. Plain and simple. As we say in the neighborhood “I ain’t no hater.”
It’s just tough to get a rhythm playing the way he had to play. Take free throw shooting for example, 65% to 45% on less attempts. That’s a rhythm thing.
As for NBA aspirations, if you advise and train prospects you want to push them to their optimal goal but you don’t get delusional. You inform them of their weaknesses, where they need to fill in gaps in their game and so on. There’s only 2 types of 5’s in today’s NBA. The Stretch 5 who’s shooting 35% or better from 3 or the Rim running lob catching 5. If you’re the latter kind, you’ve got to be with guards who look to throw the ball up by the square every chance they get and that only amplifies that guys defense because they are involved or in Rhythm on offense. That’s reality.
Jeff will likely never be a Stretch 5 and won’t have a reliable stroke that he trust and his coaches trust til he’s like 26 years of age. That’s as real as it gets.
He’s no NBA guy offensively (even with a lob throwing guard). He is Defensively though.
Bottom line is Jeff’s got to get better on O and in the meantime seek out Lob throwing, Drive draw dish guards to make it easy on himself on that side of the floor.
Just wanted to give some insight and clear the air on what truly goes into making certain choices.

Side notes: Garcia is not likely to leave. He loves it here and he was used in a way that suits him.
Frankie will see some time at the 5 spot also and really spread teams out. Word is the Fire department has had to come into practices due to the nets catching flame from that kid. Better shooter than Freshman Latimer but he’s 6’9. Fits Geno’s system like Michael Jackson’s hand in a glitter glove (Rest in peace).
Mo’s gonna be 35% from downtown.
Garcia’s stroking it. So your front court is gonna really be dragging defenses out. Olaniyi will be 20-22 a game next year. I can’t imagine how much downhill buckets he will be getting with all those floor spacers on the floor including himself.
Another note: When Geno gets the Seawolves to the Dance and moves on. Administration and Boosters should be ready to throw the Keys at Coach Bryan Weber. Stud in the making.

Please be safe out here and God bless you all in this crisis.

Good stuff here, GreatK. We wish him the best. Any leads on where he's off to, or the kind of schools he's looking at? He'll be an asset wherever he is.

We sorely missed a legitimate floor general this year. Just not enough penetration with the intent to distribute, not enough dumpoffs to cutters or guys on the block. And it's part personnel, part system. I feel like anything we got at the rim was either on a drive from 20 feet out or on a putback – never anything easy. How many times did we see Mitchell or somebody fire across the defense and get an uncontested layup off an entry pass for Hartford? Woodhouse would have been perfect – probably enough to get past Vermont (er, Hartford) and to the Dance. I sure hope we address that this spring.
Thank you Checkmate. I believe it may have been you or Chairman who pointed out in the Providence game that Big Jeff catching it on the block with one dribble into a jump hook looked legit and should be used more. I agree but I also understand throwing it into the post often just isn’t going to fly In today’s game during most games. Like you said it’s part personnel, part system.
Jeff has a hand in not getting thrown the ball. He’s missed some chippy’s and dropped some balls. I wouldn’t throw it to him either when I’m fed up. At times he’d position himself for an offensive rebound before the shot is released because he doesn’t think he’ll get it, then it comes and now u have egg on your face.
He can’t be a focal point of your offense. He’s not THAT GUY. But he can get some easy buckets for you if seeked out. And he can shoot 65% from the line for a season. Jeff should NEVER get 10 field goal attempts. But 5 is understandable. Just a lob, a drive and drop off, a Dump in here or there. Nothing crazy.
As for schools he’s looking at, he’s looking for a spot with a Void at the 5 and a PG who Averaged 4.5 assist a game or more or an incoming recruit at PG known to find his teammates(I coach on the EYBL so 75% of incoming recruits I’ve seen with my own eyes). A coach known to coach teams that average over 14 assist.
Academically wants to know a list prominent Alum who’ve enrolled and graduated from these three graduate programs of whatever school (Business,Finance,Economics). Wants to study 1 of those 3 so he can manage his money intelligently and make it work for him when he’s done playing. Wants to know that your graduate program has ties to some folks in the 1% one way or another.
The big boys have come calling but it doesn’t have to be them. It could be anywhere that has that match or at least 75% of it.
One thing he did say to me just yesterday though is against High Major’s his defense got to Shine more (4 blocks against each Big East team we played) because refs don’t call certain ticky tack things and he doesn’t get Video game looking blocks against HM’s, so it doesn’t look awkward. Also in the America East team literally refused to Drive the ball when he was on the floor, which played into his block numbers going down. It’s not about the numbers though. It’s about getting to show how much u impact scoring at the rim. You can’t do that if no one in your league wants to drive the ball to you.Forget a block you can’t even Alter a shot. At a HM or even in the A10 that wouldn’t happen and he’d still be a DPOY contender.
Speaking of which DPOY this year was either Mo (Most Blocks) or Jeff (Coaches refusing to drive the ball).
Seawolves were robbed on that.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 01, 2020, 02:41:10 pm
As of today, there are 609 names entered into the 2020 D1 Transfer portal.  This list will continue to grow, I'm sure.  So, if we hit 100 more (not an unreasonable assumption), and since there are 353 D1 teams, that will mean that there will be an average of 2 transfers per school this year.

Assuming 13 players to a roster, that means that we are seeing 15.3% of everyone's roster enter the transfer portal each year.  If we include Ceesay as a legitimate transferee (an injured 14th player this year), that means that we exceeded this average at 21.4%.  And that's just to date.

Welcome to the new world of college basketball free agency.  What's going to happen once college players start getting paid?  Even more transferring/bidding.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 01, 2020, 04:02:24 pm
I can’t count how many times other teams backdoor cut against us for an easy bucket while we really failed at that. I think Elijah led the team in assists as a 2/3, which really tells it all

yep.  passing.  not selfishness.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on April 01, 2020, 04:10:35 pm
Let me say Geno Ford’s a tremendous Coach and has SBU headed where it should be. No one should be questioning his abilities.
Jeff transferring only has to do with 1 thing, playing where guards throw Lobs, dump offs, and hit rollers. (Think Binghamton game last season). Last season Boals would influence that. There were several conference games where Kwasi just lobbed it up to Jeff from the Free throw/elbow area.
Splitting time with Mo was no big deal. If you recall I was quoted as saying last summer that Mo is better offensively and blocks shots as well. For the way Geno would like to play, Mo fits that bill better. Plain and simple. As we say in the neighborhood “I ain’t no hater.”
It’s just tough to get a rhythm playing the way he had to play. Take free throw shooting for example, 65% to 45% on less attempts. That’s a rhythm thing.
As for NBA aspirations, if you advise and train prospects you want to push them to their optimal goal but you don’t get delusional. You inform them of their weaknesses, where they need to fill in gaps in their game and so on. There’s only 2 types of 5’s in today’s NBA. The Stretch 5 who’s shooting 35% or better from 3 or the Rim running lob catching 5. If you’re the latter kind, you’ve got to be with guards who look to throw the ball up by the square every chance they get and that only amplifies that guys defense because they are involved or in Rhythm on offense. That’s reality.
Jeff will likely never be a Stretch 5 and won’t have a reliable stroke that he trust and his coaches trust til he’s like 26 years of age. That’s as real as it gets.
He’s no NBA guy offensively (even with a lob throwing guard). He is Defensively though.
Bottom line is Jeff’s got to get better on O and in the meantime seek out Lob throwing, Drive draw dish guards to make it easy on himself on that side of the floor.
Just wanted to give some insight and clear the air on what truly goes into making certain choices.

Side notes: Garcia is not likely to leave. He loves it here and he was used in a way that suits him.
Frankie will see some time at the 5 spot also and really spread teams out. Word is the Fire department has had to come into practices due to the nets catching flame from that kid. Better shooter than Freshman Latimer but he’s 6’9. Fits Geno’s system like Michael Jackson’s hand in a glitter glove (Rest in peace).
Mo’s gonna be 35% from downtown.
Garcia’s stroking it. So your front court is gonna really be dragging defenses out. Olaniyi will be 20-22 a game next year. I can’t imagine how much downhill buckets he will be getting with all those floor spacers on the floor including himself.
Another note: When Geno gets the Seawolves to the Dance and moves on. Administration and Boosters should be ready to throw the Keys at Coach Bryan Weber. Stud in the making.

Please be safe out here and God bless you all in this crisis.

I gotta say, I love the optimism.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on April 01, 2020, 04:51:03 pm
Let me say Geno Ford’s a tremendous Coach and has SBU headed where it should be. No one should be questioning his abilities.
Jeff transferring only has to do with 1 thing, playing where guards throw Lobs, dump offs, and hit rollers. (Think Binghamton game last season). Last season Boals would influence that. There were several conference games where Kwasi just lobbed it up to Jeff from the Free throw/elbow area.
Splitting time with Mo was no big deal. If you recall I was quoted as saying last summer that Mo is better offensively and blocks shots as well. For the way Geno would like to play, Mo fits that bill better. Plain and simple. As we say in the neighborhood “I ain’t no hater.”
It’s just tough to get a rhythm playing the way he had to play. Take free throw shooting for example, 65% to 45% on less attempts. That’s a rhythm thing.
As for NBA aspirations, if you advise and train prospects you want to push them to their optimal goal but you don’t get delusional. You inform them of their weaknesses, where they need to fill in gaps in their game and so on. There’s only 2 types of 5’s in today’s NBA. The Stretch 5 who’s shooting 35% or better from 3 or the Rim running lob catching 5. If you’re the latter kind, you’ve got to be with guards who look to throw the ball up by the square every chance they get and that only amplifies that guys defense because they are involved or in Rhythm on offense. That’s reality.
Jeff will likely never be a Stretch 5 and won’t have a reliable stroke that he trust and his coaches trust til he’s like 26 years of age. That’s as real as it gets.
He’s no NBA guy offensively (even with a lob throwing guard). He is Defensively though.
Bottom line is Jeff’s got to get better on O and in the meantime seek out Lob throwing, Drive draw dish guards to make it easy on himself on that side of the floor.
Just wanted to give some insight and clear the air on what truly goes into making certain choices.

Side notes: Garcia is not likely to leave. He loves it here and he was used in a way that suits him.
Frankie will see some time at the 5 spot also and really spread teams out. Word is the Fire department has had to come into practices due to the nets catching flame from that kid. Better shooter than Freshman Latimer but he’s 6’9. Fits Geno’s system like Michael Jackson’s hand in a glitter glove (Rest in peace).
Mo’s gonna be 35% from downtown.
Garcia’s stroking it. So your front court is gonna really be dragging defenses out. Olaniyi will be 20-22 a game next year. I can’t imagine how much downhill buckets he will be getting with all those floor spacers on the floor including himself.
Another note: When Geno gets the Seawolves to the Dance and moves on. Administration and Boosters should be ready to throw the Keys at Coach Bryan Weber. Stud in the making.

Please be safe out here and God bless you all in this crisis.

I gotta say, I love the optimism.

I'm not as optimistic. I cant see Ford taking this team to the big dance. His guys looked totally lost out on the floor this season. No leadership. No game plan out of the huddle. The boys looked lost and confused. I feel like Ford is not a HC, but more if an assistant coach.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 01, 2020, 05:03:33 pm
is policelli (the "policeman"?) really 6'9''?  i think the roster and VC had him at 6'7''.

not that it's a terrible difference- but i'd think that's a bit undersized for a 5.  even in the AE perhaps!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on April 01, 2020, 07:13:44 pm
Either Policelli or Gueye would be the 5 unless we bring in a transfer. Gueye’s also listed at 6’9.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Tml on April 01, 2020, 08:26:26 pm
is policelli (the "policeman"?) really 6'9''?  i think the roster and VC had him at 6'7''.

not that it's a terrible difference- but i'd think that's a bit undersized for a 5.  even in the AE perhaps!

Politziotti is policeman.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 01, 2020, 09:55:55 pm
io pienso piu carabiniere, e gendarmerie!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 02, 2020, 11:31:22 am
We just landed a PG from Monroe CC.  2 time POY; I'm guessing a reuniting with Mo:

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1245733645148655616?s=20
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on April 02, 2020, 11:36:15 am
Hopefully he’s actually a true Woodhouse-type PG. if he is? It’ll be a massive coup.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on April 02, 2020, 11:47:15 am
He's got pretty good hops for someone standing 6'0".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI4Vg3TMZmY
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 02, 2020, 12:21:10 pm
A few videos. He's #5 in all of them. I wish these got me more excited about this signing. The first is a video from his freshman year at Monroe – you'll see Gueye. Not a lot there. The last two are from his senior year of high school. I only watched the first 5-10 minutes of the full game and there were some loooong threes and a lot of observing on defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCJf60taNT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_AvInZOO-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM7COqmLw1o

He reminded me a former Seawolf; maybe you'll see the resemblance also. But ... two-time region POY has to mean something, right?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on April 02, 2020, 12:30:41 pm
He's got pretty good hops for someone standing 6'0".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI4Vg3TMZmY

6'-0" seriously. Out of all the Juco players out there, cant Stony Brook find a PG a little taller than my height. Lets see what happens!!!!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 02, 2020, 12:53:12 pm
He's got pretty good hops for someone standing 6'0".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI4Vg3TMZmY

well the intro says he wants to put team before self.  right at the top.  so that's good. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 02, 2020, 01:37:55 pm
so as it stands now- this is what the roster looks like (corrections welcome please):

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM
slash: policelli, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: chef, christie

updated-

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: policelli, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: chef, christie


also- my usual routine of attempting nicknames- how about J-Rod?

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 02, 2020, 01:48:20 pm
And another one: Omar Habwe, a transfer from Mount St. Mary's who's immediately eligible. He averaged 9 and 5 as a starter in 2018-19; 6 and 5 off the bench this past year.

https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/1245768448858300416
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 02, 2020, 02:09:19 pm
Finally this thread has turned the corner with some good news.  With Habwe, I guess we've decided to enter the grad transfer market.  Assuming Elijah is back (pretty certain), that gives us 14, so minimally, one of the 2 walk-ons from last year (or one scholly guy) will need to go, no?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 02, 2020, 02:28:46 pm
updated-

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, j-rod
slash: policeman, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: chef, christie


hobby?  ill come up with something.  we have time!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 02, 2020, 02:37:38 pm
Finally this thread has turned the corner with some good news.  With Habwe, I guess we've decided to enter the grad transfer market.  Assuming Elijah is back (pretty certain), that gives us 14, so minimally, one of the 2 walk-ons from last year (or one scholly guy) will need to go, no?

The jury's still out on whether this is good news or just news.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbufan on April 02, 2020, 02:52:04 pm
Interestingly KenPom lists Akwasi's 2017-2018 season as a similar player to Habwe sophomore year as a starter.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 02, 2020, 02:58:01 pm
Interestingly KenPom lists Akwasi's 2017-2018 season as a similar player to Habwe sophomore year as a starter.

A 18 mpg guy for a team that went 11-21 last year. And more minutes in the first half of the year than the second. Talent-wise, he seems like a body, but I guess there is something to say for 90 games of collegiate experience and some kind of presence on the glass.

I dunno.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on April 02, 2020, 03:36:55 pm
Unclear to me what the attraction is.  So many available JUCO and transfer candidates, not to mention some really good HS graduating recruits.  I hope I'm wrong, but Habwe seems like an underwhelming choice.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Tml on April 02, 2020, 05:33:08 pm
io pienso piu carabiniere, e gendarmerie!

Carabiniere e più simile "national guard."  "Gendarmerie" è una parola francese, non?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 02, 2020, 06:09:15 pm
i always thought they were more para-military, i dunno.  military with police powers.  never fully understood it.

yes- they are french.  i threw it in as an analogous (well, hopefully analogous) outfit!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on April 02, 2020, 08:23:09 pm
I’m a bit discouraged at the fact that he’s from Mount Saint Mary’s as opposed to a bigger school... but then again Woodhouse was from Longwood. Foreman from Chattanooga. Hardly eye-popping names either.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on April 03, 2020, 05:08:30 am
Unclear to me what the attraction is.  So many available JUCO and transfer candidates, not to mention some really good HS graduating recruits.  I hope I'm wrong, but Habwe seems like an underwhelming choice.

I agree. I just dont see any superstars on this team this year. If Olaniyi doesnt return back to SB this steam is going to be average at best .A 500 team in the AE. and most likely a losing record.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 03, 2020, 07:01:33 am
i know i pointed it out a few weeks back but we now have 9 athletes in this junior class.  and no incoming freshmen.

then again, with the way transferring has picked up, who knows what will happen before nov.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 03, 2020, 07:37:48 am
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, on average, 2/13 players will transfer from any given team each year. Knowing this, teams may be focusing less on bringing in freshman and just bringing in “free agents”; a total recruiting paradigm shift. Just wait until they start paying college players.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 03, 2020, 08:05:28 am
understood but worst/best case scenario that leaves us with 7 departing seniors next year.  not sure where a senior would transfer to anyway. 

that's half the team- possibly 9.  yet, no incoming FR.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbufan on April 03, 2020, 08:17:28 am
I actually prefer mid major transfers that have produced at the D1 level to high major transfers that never saw the floor (See Woodhouse, Foreman). Habwe's junior year stats took a step back, but if he were transferring  after is 9pt 5 reb per game sophomore season it would look like a really good pick up. I don't think he'll be an all conference player, but he's going to get on the floor and contribute. We're better today than we were yesterday. That's my view
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Tml on April 03, 2020, 08:39:15 am
Pretty interested in Rodriguez because I took this tweet to mean Weber was gushing about him.

https://twitter.com/coach_weber/status/1245526983829786624?s=21
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 03, 2020, 08:54:08 am
Pretty interested in Rodriguez because I took this tweet to mean Weber was gushing about him.

https://twitter.com/coach_weber/status/1245526983829786624?s=21

Weber has a pretty good track record with recruiting:  Olaniyi, Foreman, Latimer, Otchere, Mo, TSM, TPP, Chef, Mac as a guy focused on recruiting at SBU.   If he's excited about Rodriguez and Habwe joining us, we certainly have to give him the benefit of the doubt at this juncture.  Of course, time will tell.

CoB, I'm not advocating this new paradigm shift, just acknowledging it.  No way anyone thought Hartford would make the AE Finals after graduating 5 seniors.  Gallagher went to the well, and probably got pretty lucky, going free agent this past year.  If we need 9 guys next year, 5 transfers and 4 freshman perhaps?   You bring in freshmen this year, and have them sit, you're basically running the risk of them transferring the next year.   Definitely a dilemma.  Glad I'm not in Geno's shoes trying to keep everyone happy, and simultaneously planning for the future.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 03, 2020, 09:18:33 am
yeah, i know.  i don't like it either!!!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on April 06, 2020, 02:14:06 pm
Our new guy, Juan Felix Rodriguez, is a JuCo Second Team D-1 All American.
He was Honorable Mention last season.

https://www.monroecollegemustangs.com/news/2020/4/6/mens-basketball-juan-felix-rodriguez-repeats-as-njcaa-all-american-jumps-up-to-second-team.aspx
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 09, 2020, 10:43:51 pm
way into the future- offer out to a LILu guard: https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jayden-reid
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 10, 2020, 07:16:03 pm
way into the future- offer out to a LILu guard: https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jayden-reid

Want to unpin 2019 recruiting and start a 2022 (and 2023?)
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 10, 2020, 08:12:29 pm
sure- go for it.
Title: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 11, 2020, 09:01:48 am
First game on the schedule: at West Virginia November 17

https://wvusports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

Gotta get on the glass and take care of the ball. I think we have the defensive chops to win a rock fight.

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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 15, 2020, 06:33:36 pm
Some perspective on Habwe.

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/4/15/omar-habwe-ready-to-add-experience-versatility-to-mens-hoops-as-transfer.aspx
Title: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 17, 2020, 07:40:16 pm
Another one gone ... Anthony Ochefu transferring.

https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1251273125477539840?s=21

There was always something missing with Chef. He never got regular time, and while we saw glimpses, we didn’t see enough of it, and both Boals and Ford were reluctant to give him a heavy workload, even when we haven’t exactly been blessed with quality options underneath, particularly offensively. Maybe he lands at a good D-II close to home (West Chester?) and plays a ton of minutes.

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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 18, 2020, 08:29:40 am
Another one gone ... Anthony Ochefu transferring.

https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1251273125477539840?s=21

There was always something missing with Chef. He never got regular time, and while we saw glimpses, we didn’t see enough of it, and both Boals and Ford were reluctant to give him a heavy workload, even when we haven’t exactly been blessed with quality options underneath, particularly offensively. Maybe he lands at a good D-II close to home (West Chester?) and plays a ton of minutes.

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Yeah, just saw this.  Agree, we saw glimpses, but he lacked consistency, although in his defense, hard to achieve that with scant minutes.  He's gotta be going D-II/D-III, since he only has 1 year of eligibility left, I would think.  This should definitely give Habwe a huge opportunity.   I wish The Chef the best of luck; seems like a real good kid, who always had a positive attitude.

Suddenly, with the departure of Jeff and The Chef, we are looking like a much smaller team.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 18, 2020, 08:31:46 am
Official presser on Juan Felix Rodriguez signing:

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/4/16/two-time-juco-all-american-juan-felix-rodriguez-signs-with-mens-basketball.aspx
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on April 18, 2020, 01:33:49 pm
Another one gone ... Anthony Ochefu transferring.

https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/1251273125477539840?s=21

There was always something missing with Chef. He never got regular time, and while we saw glimpses, we didn’t see enough of it, and both Boals and Ford were reluctant to give him a heavy workload, even when we haven’t exactly been blessed with quality options underneath, particularly offensively. Maybe he lands at a good D-II close to home (West Chester?) and plays a ton of minutes.

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Yeah, just saw this.  Agree, we saw glimpses, but he lacked consistency, although in his defense, hard to achieve that with scant minutes.  He's gotta be going D-II/D-III, since he only has 1 year of eligibility left, I would think.  This should definitely give Habwe a huge opportunity.   I wish The Chef the best of luck; seems like a real good kid, who always had a positive attitude.

Suddenly, with the departure of Jeff and The Chef, we are looking like a much smaller team.

While the house is being swept clean might as well let Christie and McKenzie go and open up another 2 scholarships.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 18, 2020, 02:11:17 pm
its at the point now where when we land a recruit, the rule (not the exception) is that they won't make it 4 years.

ahmad walker gives me comfort.  leave, come back!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 21, 2020, 01:28:04 pm
retooled roster (pending more changes!):

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: olaniyi, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli, sayles


with a new juco 2 on the radar, and the transfer portal, i wouldnt be surprised if there's more movement.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on April 21, 2020, 08:56:33 pm
Just thinking out loud, I'd expect our starting five to be:
Foreman, Olaniyi, Garcia, Policelli and Gueye, right?

That's a really strong five for the America East, FWIW.

Then you have TPP, TSM, J-Rod, and Habwe backing up. We're small with our reserves, but our starting five adjusts up, no matter who we put in.

Olaniyi, Garcia and Policelli are all 2-4s.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 22, 2020, 06:43:13 am
Looks like we picked up Akron transfer Jaden Sayles, rising Senior.  Not sure of eligibility and #'s don't jump off the page:

https://twitter.com/EthanTSBU/status/1252778927963213826?s=20
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on April 22, 2020, 06:59:57 am
Looks like we picked up Akron transfer Jaden Sayles, rising Senior.  Not sure of eligibility and #'s don't jump off the page:

https://twitter.com/EthanTSBU/status/1252778927963213826?s=20

A team full of transfers.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on April 22, 2020, 07:10:34 am
Looks like we picked up Akron transfer Jaden Sayles, rising Senior.  Not sure of eligibility and #'s don't jump off the page:

https://twitter.com/EthanTSBU/status/1252778927963213826?s=20

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4279310/jaden-sayles
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 22, 2020, 01:53:12 pm
My initial reaction was WTH? What are we doing? You know that deGrom GIF – that was me. What are we doing? Those Sayles vids from HS were not good.

On second thought, while there isn't a ton that jumps off the page with guys like Habwe and Sayles BUT ... there is something to say for experience, width, energy, etc. I think of some of the guys who have helped Albany and Vermont win ... Greig Stire, Samuel Dingba, Travis Charles, the Rowleys, Drew Urquhart. Just these physical bodies who don't need or even want the ball. And I've clamored for guys like that for years – throw your body around, get on the glass, let your presence be known, don't try to do too much – so maybe we finally have them.

It's worth noting that Geno's younger brother, Dustin, is on staff at Akron. One Zips message board member wrote: "I said on a post back in January or February that I felt Sayles would transfer because he's good enough to be a 25 minutes guy in a conference like the American (sic) East." I asked them for a full scouting report.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 22, 2020, 02:04:29 pm
Here's the press release.  He has to sit a year:

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/4/22/jaden-sayles-announced-as-mens-basketballs-third-signee.aspx
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 22, 2020, 02:36:57 pm
Here's the press release.  He has to sit a year:

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/4/22/jaden-sayles-announced-as-mens-basketballs-third-signee.aspx

One report on Sayles ...
"Sayles had some good minutes at the end of the season. He is not generally a good rebounder, tends to slap at the ball rather than pull it down. He also can be unreliable underneath, missing some bunnies. But like I said, he did play well at the end of the year, and might be a good player for you. He finished on a positive note for sure. Might fit in better in a different system."
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 22, 2020, 02:42:41 pm
Here's the press release.  He has to sit a year:

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/4/22/jaden-sayles-announced-as-mens-basketballs-third-signee.aspx

One report on Sayles ...
"Sayles had some good minutes at the end of the season. He is not generally a good rebounder, tends to slap at the ball rather than pull it down. He also can be unreliable underneath, missing some bunnies. But like I said, he did play well at the end of the year, and might be a good player for you. He finished on a positive note for sure. Might fit in better in a different system."

Also, did you see the video that CoB posted in the Stony Brook News thread?  He looked so slow to me in that video, but maybe it was just me.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 22, 2020, 03:52:56 pm
My initial reaction was WTH? What are we doing? You know that deGrom GIF – that was me. What are we doing? Those Sayles vids from HS were not good.

On second thought, while there isn't a ton that jumps off the page with guys like Habwe and Sayles BUT ... there is something to say for experience, width, energy, etc. I think of some of the guys who have helped Albany and Vermont win ... Greig Stire, Samuel Dingba, Travis Charles, the Rowleys, Drew Urquhart. Just these physical bodies who don't need or even want the ball. And I've clamored for guys like that for years – throw your body around, get on the glass, let your presence be known, don't try to do too much – so maybe we finally have them.

It's worth noting that Geno's younger brother, Dustin, is on staff at Akron. One Zips message board member wrote: "I said on a post back in January or February that I felt Sayles would transfer because he's good enough to be a 25 minutes guy in a conference like the American (sic) East." I asked them for a full scouting report.

yeah.  this is the jules moor / ahmad walker type.  we lost both. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 22, 2020, 03:54:20 pm
updated:

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: olaniyi, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli


Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 22, 2020, 04:16:57 pm
updated:

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: olaniyi, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli

Wait. Where did Sayles go?

More scouting reports on Sayles ...

"You're getting a great team member in Sayles. He was recruited by our old coach, Keith Dambrot (LeBron's high school coach). During his freshman season, he had an unfortunate wrist injury. A technical was called on either him or another Akron player for supposedly hanging on the rim for too long, and during a later breakaway dunk, Sayles let go of the rim too early with a lot of forward momentum. He did a flip and landed on his wrist; the injury seemingly derailed his career. Dambrot ended up leaving after that year I believe, but Sayles stuck with our new coach (and his staff including Dustin Ford) and the Akron program. His wrist was never quite right, and this past season was the first year he was fully healthy. He showed a lot of promise his freshman year, but we haven't seen TOO much of him until this past season when he fell a bit on the depth chart. I think the speed of the game is the biggest thing he has had to overcome after the injuries, but he's a talent, there's no doubt about that. I don't believe Dustin would make a connection between Geno and Sayles if he didn't believe Sayles could be a contributor for his brother. Sayles sticking with Akron through the coaching and system change (Dambrot and Groce run completely opposite systems and there were quite a few players that ended up leaving Groce's program early on) says a lot about who he is as a person, his mental toughness, etc. The athleticism is there, and if he's given the opportunity, I think he could be quite productive for Stony Brook."

"He has displayed pretty good footwork in the post, but has lacked touch finishing near the rim. Perhaps playing against smaller front courts will help. Overall, he didn't play big minutes for us, but down the stretch he played with lots of effort on both ends when you did get in. I think it says a lot because a lot of other upperclassmen would pout and look to transfer midseason if they weren't getting the minutes they were wanting. In the American East I can see him averaging something along the lines of 8 points and 6 boards if he's able to get 20-25 minutes of playing time."
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 22, 2020, 04:59:05 pm
See above......he has to sit for a year.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbu1991 on April 22, 2020, 05:40:22 pm
Just thinking out loud, I'd expect our starting five to be:
Foreman, Olaniyi, Garcia, Policelli and Gueye, right?

That's a really strong five for the America East, FWIW.

Then you have TPP, TSM, J-Rod, and Habwe backing up. We're small with our reserves, but our starting five adjusts up, no matter who we put in.

Olaniyi, Garcia and Policelli are all 2-4s.

Wondering if Rodriguez steps in as the starting PG, with Foreman at the 2 and Olanyi, Garcia and Gueye in the front court. Policelli could get starter's minutes as the super-sub.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on April 22, 2020, 06:54:38 pm
See above......he has to sit for a year.

Oh right right right. Duh.

Re: Rodriguez, from the video I saw of him, I don't see him as a distributor. Foreman Lite maybe.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 05, 2020, 03:41:30 pm
https://twitter.com/shawnheilbron/status/1257729809880408065?s=21

Fun tweet from Heilbron. It’s interesting he noted two games that will interest “NYC fans.” That includes LIU Brooklyn, St. John’s, Fordham, Columbia, St. Francis, Wagner, Columbia and Manhattan. I’m confident that we aren’t talking St. John’s – that would be a must-travel game. I’m thinking it’s Wagner here, and maybe Manhattan again. A nice get would be Fordham at their place or ours.

Orrrrr it’s two games in one of those non-conference tournaments at Barclays or MSG.

I wonder how COVID will affect travel plans for everyone. Are we really going to travel by plane to a place like Corpus Christi for three games against three nobodies? Or can we keep it regional more or less?


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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 05, 2020, 05:37:11 pm
https://twitter.com/shawnheilbron/status/1257729809880408065?s=21

Fun tweet from Heilbron. It’s interesting he noted two games that will interest “NYC fans.” That includes LIU Brooklyn, St. John’s, Fordham, Columbia, St. Francis, Wagner, Columbia and Manhattan. I’m confident that we aren’t talking St. John’s – that would be a must-travel game. I’m thinking it’s Wagner here, and maybe Manhattan again. A nice get would be Fordham at their place or ours.

Orrrrr it’s two games in one of those non-conference tournaments at Barclays or MSG.

I wonder how COVID will affect travel plans for everyone. Are we really going to travel by plane to a place like Corpus Christi for three games against three nobodies? Or can we keep it regional more or less?


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It could be St. Johns at their place.  Back when we first went D1, and Laskowski was the AD (former St. John's guy), we did a home-and-home with St. Johns over a 2 year period.  And that was when they were good with Jarvis at the helm.  We lack that St. Johns connection now, but with us on the rise, don't be surprised if we play them at their place.  I think his tease is more than Wagner or Manhattan or Columbia, all of whom we've played.  I'm betting on St. Johns or Fordham, in addition to one of the others.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 05, 2020, 06:54:47 pm
we played them at carnesecca in late 09, i went, they did a nice pre-game event at a pub.  we hung around for maybe a half.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 06, 2020, 12:35:30 pm
we played them at carnesecca in late 09, i went, they did a nice pre-game event at a pub.  we hung around for maybe a half.

I don't remember that game in '09 at all.  I remember the home game vs. St. Johns in circa 1998 or 1999.  I think we were in the last season of D2, with Bernard Tomlin still the coach.  Josh Little went off in the first half, and I think we actually had a lead late into the 1st half.  The place was going nuts - total sellout.  I think we wound up losing the game by about 40 points......LOL.   I may be wrong, but I think Ron Artest (Meta World Peace) was with St. John's then.  Played in the current unfurbished gym.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 06, 2020, 12:46:42 pm
https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2009/12/2/Men_s_Basketball_Battles_But_Falls_To_St_John_s_63_55.aspx
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 09, 2020, 09:13:06 pm
updated- and of course, i echo the comment about the fact that we may see some RSs here, and that's a good thing:

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, greene
slash: olaniyi, gueye, garcia, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli



Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 10, 2020, 01:31:04 am
I have seen nothing from Christie that shows me he's worthy of a D1 scholarship at that position and I doubt I ever will. I hope I eat my words, but I doubt it. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 10, 2020, 06:15:41 am
I have seen nothing from Christie that shows me he's worthy of a D1 scholarship at that position and I doubt I ever will. I hope I eat my words, but I doubt it.

Christie is not a D1 player, we all know that and that's fine. Coaches make mistakes when offering kids scholarships. The bigger question should be. Does that school continue his scholarship and tie up a roster position. To me, that is hurtful to the rest of the team and quite frankly, throwing money away.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 10, 2020, 08:28:44 am
I have seen nothing from Christie that shows me he's worthy of a D1 scholarship at that position and I doubt I ever will. I hope I eat my words, but I doubt it.

Christie is not a D1 player, we all know that and that's fine. Coaches make mistakes when offering kids scholarships. The bigger question should be. Does that school continue his scholarship and tie up a roster position. To me, that is hurtful to the rest of the team and quite frankly, throwing money away.

Don't be so quick to give up on Christie!  Remember Petras?  He was an abomination his 1st 2 years, and by his Senior year, he was a serviceable big man.   Also, with Otchere and Ochefu transferred out, we're suddenly a very small team.  With Mo being a wing and not a 5, and his propensity to get into foul trouble through aggressive play, we need some backup depth, IMO.  Habwe will also probably help fill that void.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 11, 2020, 12:45:06 pm
An interesting get with Greene. I wonder how much getting out of the Masiello system and into a more fluid offense will help him. He came into our game with Manhattan as their leading scorer and didn't make a huge impression thank in part to our on-ball defense. It's also hard to like the way Manhattan plays. Always ugly. And I feel like they can never shoot.

His shooting numbers do leave something to be desired. Just 26 percent from deep in conference play.

HS guys playing together in college isn't completely new, but it feels like it's ramping up even more, and may spike with COVID concerns. And with three LuHi guys in uniform, I wonder if down the road we have a shot at a high D-I kickback like Curbelo, Key or Celestine. I'm guessing no on the first two in particular but maybe it's possible?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 11, 2020, 12:58:05 pm
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 11, 2020, 02:03:32 pm
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

My experience in the past with this issue is usually because of the HC. To have this many transfers in one season, clearly on Geno Ford shoulders. He is a hack and needs to go before SB goes back into the dark days of D3
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 11, 2020, 02:04:57 pm
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

My experience in the past with this issue is usually because of the HC. To have this many transfers in one season, clearly on Geno Ford shoulders. He is a hack and needs to go before SB goes back into the dark days of D3

My experience in the past with this issue is usually because of the HC. To have this many transfers in one season, clearly on Geno Ford shoulders. He is a hack and needs to go before SB goes back into the dark days of D3
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 11, 2020, 02:23:42 pm
I have seen nothing from Christie that shows me he's worthy of a D1 scholarship at that position and I doubt I ever will. I hope I eat my words, but I doubt it.

Christie is not a D1 player, we all know that and that's fine. Coaches make mistakes when offering kids scholarships. The bigger question should be. Does that school continue his scholarship and tie up a roster position. To me, that is hurtful to the rest of the team and quite frankly, throwing money away.

Don't be so quick to give up on Christie!  Remember Petras?  He was an abomination his 1st 2 years, and by his Senior year, he was a serviceable big man.   Also, with Otchere and Ochefu transferred out, we're suddenly a very small team.  With Mo being a wing and not a 5, and his propensity to get into foul trouble through aggressive play, we need some backup depth, IMO.  Habwe will also probably help fill that void.

yes to all
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 11, 2020, 02:24:00 pm
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

where is the garcia news?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 11, 2020, 02:35:23 pm
Looks like we’re seriously decapitated now for the upcoming season. 4 of 5 starters from last year biting the dust. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1259882648215920640?s=21

So, unless Geno is scaring kids away, my educated guess is this is what's happening with Olaniyi and Garcia:  With a (good) chance that the upcoming NCAA basketball season may not be happening, Olaniyi is probably looking out for himself and forgoing his senior year to turn pro and play somewhere overseas (NBA ain't happening).  With Olaniyi leaving, Garcia is probably weighing options to also turn pro, or use transferring to be a bench player on a higher-caliber team (Rutgers maybe poaching again here?) to enhance his resume should there be a season, with an eye to turning pro the following year.

Anyone have a different theory?

where is the garcia news?

It's embedded in the Goodman tweet.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on May 11, 2020, 02:38:58 pm
Garcia news:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1259881628194746373?s=20

I don't know what to make of this at all. Is it because of the weird season we're about to have, or because of Geno?

I'd think, honestly, because everything is up in the air, that as a player, you'd want to keep things as normal as possible, and know that when (or if) the season begins, you're going to be a main focal point, instead of jumping blindly into a system you know nothing about.

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 11, 2020, 02:52:16 pm
Garcia news:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1259881628194746373?s=20

I don't know what to make of this at all. Is it because of the weird season we're about to have, or because of Geno?

I'd think, honestly, because everything is up in the air, that as a player, you'd want to keep things as normal as possible, and know that when (or if) the season begins, you're going to be a main focal point, instead of jumping blindly into a system you know nothing about.

We're in the wild west of college sports right now, where "free agency" rules, and everyone is out for themselves.  No allegiance any more to schools; players looking out for themselves.  And this NCAA grad transfer system plays right into that hand.  Throw this unexpected Coronavirus monkey wrench into the equation, and all bets are off.  Put yourself in Olaniyi's shoes - he knows he's not getting drafted in the NBA, he's coming off a 1st team year, and if he decides to come back to SBU and the season doesn't materialize, he's flushing a year down the drain.  Only way he can grad transfer is if he graduated in 3 years.  He's probably said I can't depend on this upcoming season being a reality and he'll play somewhere in Europe this coming year.  Garcia hears this, and along with the other SBU defections realizes that SBU won't have the expected stellar season, and he decides to enter transfer portal late to increase his professional aspirations and marketability.  If the season doesn't happen, he can turn pro too maybe, although he's not as marketable professionally as Olaniyi, IMO.   It all sucks for us fans, but this is now the reality we live in.  Foreman may be the next to defect now, although his marketability to move up to a better program is probably limited. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 11, 2020, 02:57:49 pm
This just shows how detrimental being in the America East is. The school CANNOT accept this conference. This is a wake up call.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 11, 2020, 03:11:10 pm
This just shows how detrimental being in the America East is. The school CANNOT accept this conference. This is a wake up call.

With looming NYS budget cuts, and Coronovirus about to having a major detrimental effect on college athletics at large, now is not the time to even think about moving to another conference in the near term.  Looking at the big picture, we'll be lucky at best IMO, to retain the current  portfolio of athletics teams that we have.  I do agree with your underlying message though that success at the AE level definitely lends itself to this transfer phenomenon.   
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 11, 2020, 03:38:50 pm
This coronavirus is really going to postpone our plans and I’m so angry at that. But if New York State didn’t screw us over from day one we’d already be past this. Ugh.

I’m just really, really frustrated right now. Really angry. This is the school I go to. One in the ‘America East’ conference. That can’t even keep its star players from jumping ship. This was supposed to be our year. And everything just wants to stop us from happening and going back to the tournament. I’m so frustrated.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 11, 2020, 03:47:56 pm
This just shows how detrimental being in the America East is. The school CANNOT accept this conference. This is a wake up call.

I agree 1000000% the lower mid-major conferences will feel it the most. Stony Brook athletics will be in big trouble when all said and done. Cuomo is a pig and is ruining NYS, and all SUNY schools.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 11, 2020, 04:40:54 pm
updated- can someone asterisk the redshirts?

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, greene
slash: olaniyi, gueye, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli


Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 11, 2020, 04:54:30 pm
Greene will prob need to sit a year unless he gets a waiver. Olaniyi gone. 2 roster spots open now.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 11, 2020, 05:34:16 pm
I just don't see how guys can look at the year Yeboah had at Rutgers and not want a similar experience for themselves. I was stunned when GreatK said that Garcia wanted to stay – the allure is just too strong. And now Elijah, geez.

I hope this is more a sign of the times than a sign of the current culture at SBU.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 11, 2020, 05:46:51 pm
I just don't see how guys can look at the year Yeboah had at Rutgers and not want a similar experience for themselves. I was stunned when GreatK said that Garcia wanted to stay – the allure is just too strong. And now Elijah, geez.

I hope this is more a sign of the times than a sign of the current culture at SBU.

If this really is the sign of the times then mid major conferences are done. Just close down and forget about Basketball. I think what is going in right now is more than that. I knew Elijah was going to leave..
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 11, 2020, 05:47:51 pm
It’s absolutely criminal that New York has no public Power 5 schools... but that’s a rant for another time.

Elijah wiped his Instagram clean. Should have known by the way that they were all celebratory of Yeboah’s accomplishments at Rutgers.

I don’t know how you fix this issue without moving out of the doldrums of the America East. It’s a miracle Jameel didn’t leave now.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 11, 2020, 06:43:10 pm
Garcia is no Yeboah. Although different types of players, Olaniyi is not of the same caliber as Yeboah either, IMO.  Olaniyi’s decision is purely one of economics I’m guessing. He’d rather play in Europe now rather than risk sticking around for a potential non-season, and lose a season to inactivity. I’m sure he’s not graduating in 3 years and grad transferring. With Garcia, I’m willing to bet that Pikiell poached him. On that loaded Rutgers team, he’ll come off the bench for 10-12 mins per game, no more. He won’t get any decent minutes anywhere above the A10 level imo. I hope he doesn’t wind up regretting the lure of Yeboah’s move. He’d be a first-teamer this year in the AE, and that might be better for his resume than bench minutes in a higher profile program.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 11, 2020, 06:57:52 pm
updated- can someone asterisk the redshirts?

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli
redshirt: greene
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 12, 2020, 07:03:08 am
Garcia is no Yeboah. Although different types of players, Olaniyi is not of the same caliber as Yeboah either, IMO.  Olaniyi’s decision is purely one of economics I’m guessing. He’d rather play in Europe now rather than risk sticking around for a potential non-season, and lose a season to inactivity. I’m sure he’s not graduating in 3 years and grad transferring. With Garcia, I’m willing to bet that Pikiell poached him. On that loaded Rutgers team, he’ll come off the bench for 10-12 mins per game, no more. He won’t get any decent minutes anywhere above the A10 level imo. I hope he doesn’t wind up regretting the lure of Yeboah’s move. He’d be a first-teamer this year in the AE, and that might be better for his resume than bench minutes in a higher profile program.



We could sit here and ponder all day long why Stony brook basketball lost most of it's team recently, and blame the outside forces. Athletes come to get an education and o yeah, play basketball for free. Last I checked stony brook academics is pretty good and you will go places in this world with this diploma. What I don't get is how a few people on this forum thinks athletes are leaving for different reasons besides a coaching problem. Clearly, something is going on behind closed doors, and athletes are seeing it. Coach Ford will turn out to be the worst BB coach this university has ever seen. Kids are leaving in droves because off Geno Ford. What is there not to see?? Dont blame the economy. Dont blame the NCAA blame the athletics dept for allowing this to happen. This crap didn't happen when Pikiell case here.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 12, 2020, 07:21:48 am
Garcia is no Yeboah. Although different types of players, Olaniyi is not of the same caliber as Yeboah either, IMO.  Olaniyi’s decision is purely one of economics I’m guessing. He’d rather play in Europe now rather than risk sticking around for a potential non-season, and lose a season to inactivity. I’m sure he’s not graduating in 3 years and grad transferring. With Garcia, I’m willing to bet that Pikiell poached him. On that loaded Rutgers team, he’ll come off the bench for 10-12 mins per game, no more. He won’t get any decent minutes anywhere above the A10 level imo. I hope he doesn’t wind up regretting the lure of Yeboah’s move. He’d be a first-teamer this year in the AE, and that might be better for his resume than bench minutes in a higher profile program.



We could sit here and ponder all day long why Stony brook basketball lost most of it's team recently, and blame the outside forces. Athletes come to get an education and o yeah, play basketball for free. Last I checked stony brook academics is pretty good and you will go places in this world with this diploma. What I don't get is how a few people on this forum thinks athletes are leaving for different reasons besides a coaching problem. Clearly, something is going on behind closed doors, and athletes are seeing it. Coach Ford will turn out to be the worst BB coach this university has ever seen. Kids are leaving in droves because off Geno Ford. What is there not to see?? Dont blame the economy. Dont blame the NCAA blame the athletics dept for allowing this to happen. This crap didn't happen when Pikiell case here.

Hammer, I respect your opinion, and perhaps there is some underlying coach stuff going on; I dunno.  This grad transfer fad is a recent phenomenon - not saying that it didn't exist, but it is being used way, way more than just a few years ago.  It's a trend that I wish didn't exist.  And if we in fact see a resurgence of the virus this fall, there's no denying that the college athletics landscape will never ever be the same.  Bottom line though, the kids have to do what they think is best for them.  The lure of the big programs and ultimate $ is wooing a lot of these kids.  To me, it's a false lure in many cases.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbu1991 on May 12, 2020, 10:48:18 am
updated- can someone asterisk the redshirts?

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli
redshirt: greene

I think Green and Habwe are both sitting out for a year. I also think SB has two more scholarships to offer.

Great opportunity for TPP and TSM to step up, as for now likely now both are starters.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 12, 2020, 11:06:34 am
hard to keep up!

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: christie, policelli
redshirt: greene, habwe


Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 12, 2020, 12:38:53 pm
updated- can someone asterisk the redshirts?

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, habwe
bigs: christie, policelli
redshirt: greene

I think Green and Habwe are both sitting out for a year. I also think SB has two more scholarships to offer.

Great opportunity for TPP and TSM to step up, as for now likely now both are starters.

Habwe is a grad transfer. He's eligible. Thank goodness. We'll need his minutes and, I suspect, his leadership. We're sorely lacking in that department now.

I asked Jeff Goodman about all these transfers (via Twitter), and he thinks it's just a sign of the times – players seeing other players transferring up and wanting to have that experience themselves. It has to be so strange to be among the remaining players with SIX guys gone off last year's team.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 12, 2020, 01:58:51 pm
hard to keep up!

guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: christie, policelli
redshirt: greene, habwe

Some corrections: -- Habwe should not be a redshirt, and instead be considered a "big"
                           -- Jaden Sayles should be listed as a redshirt



Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 12, 2020, 02:30:10 pm
guards: 4man, mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on May 12, 2020, 03:06:35 pm
And now Foreman is gone.

https://twitter.com/EthanTSBU/status/1260284070396862464?s=20
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 12, 2020, 03:36:20 pm
Well Foreman thanked Ford in his tweet... so we can cross that theory off the list.

This is insane. All five starters, gone in an instant.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 12, 2020, 03:44:14 pm
This is incredible.  To add insult to injury, Olaniyi is going transfer out and sit one year.  Of course, he has zero chance of any sort of NBA career.

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1260292729575268352?s=20
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 12, 2020, 03:46:31 pm
i dunno, somehow, maybe this is for the best. GO SB
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 12, 2020, 03:47:39 pm
guards: mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on May 12, 2020, 04:16:45 pm
After one year, I don't have a full grasp on what Geno Ford can do as a coach, but losing Foreman, Olaniyi, Garcia, Latimer and Otchere is damning, no matter what the world looks like.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 12, 2020, 04:28:12 pm
anyone have a handle on what other teams are losing?

this year we have the following transfer out: ola, garcia, 4man, otch, chef, ceesay, latimer.  and the year isnt over.

last year: yeboah, long, campbell, moor, aubry

the year before: almonacy


 

corrections welcome, this is off memory.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 12, 2020, 04:33:12 pm
After one year, I don't have a full grasp on what Geno Ford can do as a coach, but losing Foreman, Olaniyi, Garcia, Latimer and Otchere is damning, no matter what the world looks like.

Yeah, this can't reflect well on him, regardless of the spin.  I was just talking to my son about this, and he read that NCAA is moving toward eliminating the 1-year sit out on transfer.  This is the NCAA's way of throwing these college athletes a bone, rather than paying them.  So, if you're a kid with promise coming out of HS, why opt to be a role player on a Top Major, when you can play a year on a Mid-Major team, put some #'s up, and then transfer up.  If this happens, college Bball will never be the same.

So with a new President in town, how are Geno and Heilbron going to explain losing your starting 5 in a year that they would have been favored to win it all?   You can bet with all the discussion abound on this Transfer thing reaching new heights along with Coronavirus fallout, SBU basketball team, and losing their starting 5 to transfer, is going to be in the press quite a bit moving forward.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbufan on May 12, 2020, 04:35:17 pm
What's crazy is Ford was hired to keep the core of the team together. This is a real bummer, but hope the players find nice landing spots.

EDIT: also a little annoying that the players supposedly campaigned for Ford last spring, and are now leaving en masse. But I don't know the real story, so I should keep my mouth shut.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 12, 2020, 04:48:03 pm
neither do i but again- ill state the obvious- virus + portal + social media = transfer frenzy

it was hard to be a fan of this program before all this... now, this.

doesnt bode well but the new core of our team is unknown.  who knows- whatever we've done in the past didnt work (how many NCAA berths did we miss with fullcoursemeelz?), so maybe some fresh blood is better.

we'd lose less kids if the U did something about student life.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 12, 2020, 04:48:46 pm
What's crazy is Ford was hired to keep the core of the team together. This is a real bummer, but hope the players find nice landing spots.

EDIT: also a little annoying that the players supposedly campaigned for Ford last spring, and are now leaving en masse. But I don't know the real story, so I should keep my mouth shut.

We may never know the whole story, but Otchere definitely left because of diminished minutes.  Latimer definitely clashed with Ford - could see it every time he was taken out of game.  Latimer also thought he deserved 35 minutes game, despite his major drop-off this past season.  Olaniyi/Garcia/Foreman just sounds like a coordinated effort between them, and/or the domino effect.  Olaniyi is not NBA material (not sure who is feeding him this), but him willing to sit out a year tells me that he thinks there may not be a season upcoming.  With him leaving this may have then triggered Garcia, and then Foreman, to do the same.

I wish them all well, but hope they don't regret what might have been.  None of them are in the same class as Yeboah, so hopefully they can emotionally handle a decrease in minutes (assuming there is a season, of course).  I'm guessing that as of today, season ticket sales won't be going too well.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbufan on May 12, 2020, 04:52:37 pm
What's crazy is Ford was hired to keep the core of the team together. This is a real bummer, but hope the players find nice landing spots.

EDIT: also a little annoying that the players supposedly campaigned for Ford last spring, and are now leaving en masse. But I don't know the real story, so I should keep my mouth shut.

We may never know the whole story, but Otchere definitely left because of diminished minutes.  Latimer definitely clashed with Ford - could see it every time he was taken out of game.  Latimer also thought he deserved 35 minutes game, despite his major drop-off this past season.  Olaniyi/Garcia/Foreman just sounds like a coordinated effort between them, and/or the domino effect.  Olaniyi is not NBA material (not sure who is feeding him this), but him willing to sit out a year tells me that he thinks there may not be a season upcoming.  With him leaving this may have then triggered Garcia, and then Foreman, to do the same.

I wish them all well, but hope they don't regret what might have been.  None of them are in the same class as Yeboah, so hopefully they can emotionally handle a decrease in minutes (assuming there is a season, of course).  I'm guessing that as of today, season ticket sales won't be going too well.

I do hope it's just that Olaniyi wants to see how he fares at a high major and Garcia and Foreman want to go to the tournament and not a larger locker room problem.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 12, 2020, 05:12:56 pm
So you're telling me over the course of two days we lose three starters, in addition to Latimer, Otchere, and others? What the actual f***....


Virus or not, I'd have to say this is falling on Geno Ford. The man is not only inept at coaching, he can't even keep a roster together. Forget about the virus for a moment. If there's no college basketball next year that will effect everyone, not just SBU. So unless these kids are going pro overseas all at the same time (not happening) this falls squarely on the shoulders of Ford. I'm REALLY regretting not pulling in a better coach from the outside after Boals left. This has been nothing short of disaster save for a couple OOC games here or there.

I don't know a thing about the transfers we've brought in, so outside of Gueye and TSM, I'm not sure what we have for next year (if there even is a next year). I'm pissed  >:(

Ford's gotta go, and based on the timing Coach P might be out the door along with him (lol yeah right a man can wish).

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: NJ Seawolf on May 12, 2020, 07:27:49 pm
This has been a bizarre day. I don't understand why Olaniyi would transfer the traditional manner. I like Foreman/Garcia but Olaniyi will be the biggest loss. Foreman was too inconsistent for my liking at times. Garcia was steady but Olaniyi was the most important piece of the team last year.

The transfer situation is going to make mid-major basketball very difficult to sustain if transfers continue like this. College sports is already in tough shape for the foreseeable future. Without a strong mid-major environment, college basketball is going to take a big hit in popularity. It is concerning from a coaching standpoint if we have such a crazy exodus of players. However he did get some very good transfers to come here which may be driven by Coach Weber.

One positive is if Stony Brook has now started getting several recruits from LuHi- if a pipeline develops with that school, that could really advance the program.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 12, 2020, 09:44:53 pm
One positive is if Stony Brook has now started getting several recruits from LuHi- if a pipeline develops with that school, that could really advance the program.

I think the pipeline's realistic – for the secondary players on that roster. The premier guys aren't coming to Stony Brook – not if a legit mid or high major offers them, not as long as we're in the America East. Maybe as a possible kickback a la Policelli.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: SaltySeawolf on May 12, 2020, 10:10:28 pm
If we are trying to be optimistic here, social distancing at home games next year should not be a problem.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 12, 2020, 10:54:17 pm
This has been a bizarre day. I don't understand why Olaniyi would transfer the traditional manner. I like Foreman/Garcia but Olaniyi will be the biggest loss. Foreman was too inconsistent for my liking at times. Garcia was steady but Olaniyi was the most important piece of the team last year.

The transfer situation is going to make mid-major basketball very difficult to sustain if transfers continue like this. College sports is already in tough shape for the foreseeable future. Without a strong mid-major environment, college basketball is going to take a big hit in popularity. It is concerning from a coaching standpoint if we have such a crazy exodus of players. However he did get some very good transfers to come here which may be driven by Coach Weber.

One positive is if Stony Brook has now started getting several recruits from LuHi- if a pipeline develops with that school, that could really advance the program.

Advance it for two years until they bounce to an A10 or better conference school (or the friggin WAC, wtf Jeff).
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 13, 2020, 05:44:53 am
So you're telling me over the course of two days we lose three starters, in addition to Latimer, Otchere, and others? What the actual f***....


Virus or not, I'd have to say this is falling on Geno Ford. The man is not only inept at coaching, he can't even keep a roster together. Forget about the virus for a moment. If there's no college basketball next year that will effect everyone, not just SBU. So unless these kids are going pro overseas all at the same time (not happening) this falls squarely on the shoulders of Ford. I'm REALLY regretting not pulling in a better coach from the outside after Boals left. This has been nothing short of disaster save for a couple OOC games here or there.

I don't know a thing about the transfers we've brought in, so outside of Gueye and TSM, I'm not sure what we have for next year (if there even is a next year). I'm pissed  >:(

Ford's gotta go, and based on the timing Coach P might be out the door along with him (lol yeah right a man can wish).

Exactly what I have been advocating for so long. I knew from day one Geno Ford was not a good coach. It was very easy to Stony brook to just promote Ford from assistant coach to HC when Boals left. It cost money to do a national search for a new coach, something apparently SB didn't have or dint want to do at that time. Big mistake.

As far as coach P is concerned. he should have been canned many years ago. Thats  story for another day.

Some people are talking about SB going into the A-10 WAC, etc..... That's not going to happen. Look how unstable this university is lately. Why would a conference take  chance with us when there are other schools from the midmajors that are a better fit..
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 13, 2020, 05:52:58 am
Just curious. Does anybody know what is going on with UA or Binghampton lately. Are they going through a transfer craze like SB is. What about all the other America East schools. Can somebody look into this please. lets see if this is a broad base issue or just isolated .
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 13, 2020, 08:08:49 am
im definitely starting to gravitate towards the "we need to leave the AE thing".  i have been for a while now.

but i know that there's more to it- money, contracts, expenses, facilities, visibility, academics, etc.  it's just not that easy.

it's hard to stay positive right now but im sure if bball is even on come november, i'll probably find a way to get excited about this program.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 13, 2020, 11:05:15 am
Just curious. Does anybody know what is going on with UA or Binghampton lately. Are they going through a transfer craze like SB is. What about all the other America East schools. Can somebody look into this please. lets see if this is a broad base issue or just isolated .

Transfer count per VC ...
Stony Brook 7
Albany 4
Lowell 4
UNH 3
Maine 2
Binghamton 2
Hartford 0
Vermont 0

So seven from SBU. And 15 from the other eight schools.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 13, 2020, 11:19:02 am
Just curious. Does anybody know what is going on with UA or Binghampton lately. Are they going through a transfer craze like SB is. What about all the other America East schools. Can somebody look into this please. lets see if this is a broad base issue or just isolated .

Transfer count per VC ...
Stony Brook 7
Albany 4
Lowell 4
UNH 3
Maine 2
Binghamton 2
Hartford 0
Vermont 0

So seven from SBU. And 15 from the other eight schools.

Thank you for that update. Clearly there is an underlying issue here at SB. Lowell has problems too. Part of it is the AE conference and part of it is the university problems.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 13, 2020, 11:29:22 am
Just curious. Does anybody know what is going on with UA or Binghampton lately. Are they going through a transfer craze like SB is. What about all the other America East schools. Can somebody look into this please. lets see if this is a broad base issue or just isolated .

Transfer count per VC ...
Stony Brook 7
Albany 4
Lowell 4
UNH 3
Maine 2
Binghamton 2
Hartford 0
Vermont 0

So seven from SBU. And 15 from the other eight schools.

Interesting.  So the next question is, what is Vermont doing that we're not to retain their best players?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 13, 2020, 11:50:01 am
my opinion? http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/

tuition aside (and that's a big one, but consider scholarships since we are talking athletics here), choose where you'd rather go to class:


(https://www.commonapp.org/static/1b091737deaac94214859756c66213fa-50c6a11bbcc10e757f6e5b3ec88d7b82.png)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/f2/d3/aff2d308e553da8918b43a9f5ed9f8b6.jpg)
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 13, 2020, 02:10:04 pm
my opinion? http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/

tuition aside (and that's a big one, but consider scholarships since we are talking athletics here), choose where you'd rather go to class:


(https://www.commonapp.org/static/1b091737deaac94214859756c66213fa-50c6a11bbcc10e757f6e5b3ec88d7b82.png)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/f2/d3/aff2d308e553da8918b43a9f5ed9f8b6.jpg)

Looks like the Lecture Hall hasn't had a facelift since I graduated back in the 1920's :)
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 13, 2020, 02:22:01 pm
my opinion? http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/

tuition aside (and that's a big one, but consider scholarships since we are talking athletics here), choose where you'd rather go to class:


(https://www.commonapp.org/static/1b091737deaac94214859756c66213fa-50c6a11bbcc10e757f6e5b3ec88d7b82.png)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/f2/d3/aff2d308e553da8918b43a9f5ed9f8b6.jpg)

Looks like the Lecture Hall hasn't had a facelift since I graduated back in the 1920's :)

lol. The whole campus is from the Cold War era, so everything save for the new buildings we've built in the last 15 years or so has that Cold War era ready for nuclear war with the Soviet Union type of look to it.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 13, 2020, 02:33:26 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/VtqermX.jpg)

For the record, Javits does look better today, but... yeah. Of course, we'd need money to fix things, but of course Cuomo won't give anything to us.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 13, 2020, 02:38:12 pm
yeah.  i guess we all agree.  the question then becomes- how high is this on the priority list.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 13, 2020, 03:37:54 pm
About the kind of schools I expected would be after Elijah. All good landing spots.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1260654788921798661?s=20
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 13, 2020, 03:42:18 pm
About the kind of schools I expected would be after Elijah. All good landing spots.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1260654788921798661?s=20

 Why not just finish up at stony brook. it's not like he will ever make it in the NBA. Something smells rotten to me.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 13, 2020, 03:56:45 pm
About the kind of schools I expected would be after Elijah. All good landing spots.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1260654788921798661?s=20

 Why not just finish up at stony brook. it's not like he will ever make it in the NBA. Something smells rotten to me.

Average home attendance for the 2019 season ...

B1G: 12,691
SEC: 11,527
ACC: 10,912
Big East: 9,999




Bundesliga: 4,189

NBA G League: 2,465

AE: 1,693

Might be his only remaining shot at playing big-time basketball. Why not go for it?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 13, 2020, 04:12:03 pm
About the kind of schools I expected would be after Elijah. All good landing spots.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1260654788921798661?s=20

 Why not just finish up at stony brook. it's not like he will ever make it in the NBA. Something smells rotten to me.


Average home attendance for the 2019 season ...

B1G: 12,691
SEC: 11,527
ACC: 10,912
Big East: 9,999




Bundesliga: 4,189

NBA G League: 2,465

AE: 1,693

Might be his only remaining shot at playing big-time basketball. Why not go for it?

Elijah will be a bench players at any of the power schools. He has zero chance of going to the NBA. This cant be about saying you played for Kentucky for 1 season and kept the bench warm. Why not just finish up at SB and get a really good Diploma.

This is about something else. What doesnt come out in the wash will come out in the rinse.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 13, 2020, 04:22:59 pm
https://twitter.com/ethantsbu/status/1260664253473849344?s=21

I agree with the reporter’s takes.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 13, 2020, 04:46:08 pm
About the kind of schools I expected would be after Elijah. All good landing spots.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1260654788921798661?s=20

 Why not just finish up at stony brook. it's not like he will ever make it in the NBA. Something smells rotten to me.


Average home attendance for the 2019 season ...

B1G: 12,691
SEC: 11,527
ACC: 10,912
Big East: 9,999




Bundesliga: 4,189

NBA G League: 2,465

AE: 1,693

Might be his only remaining shot at playing big-time basketball. Why not go for it?

Elijah will be a bench players at any of the power schools. He has zero chance of going to the NBA. This cant be about saying you played for Kentucky for 1 season and kept the bench warm. Why not just finish up at SB and get a really good Diploma.

This is about something else. What doesnt come out in the wash will come out in the rinse.

Completely disagree. We can talk about loyalty, seeing things through, degrees, etc., all we want, but if I'm a 21-year-old kid and I can go get 20-25 minutes at a big-time school, practice and play against superior talent, learn from superior coaches AND in some cases you don't have to wait, sorry, the draw is too strong. A year's a long time to wait, but I get it. Who can blame Sessoms for leaving Binghamton to go to Penn State? Or grad transfers like Yeboah, Calixte, Cremo, etc. Cremo's in the G League BTW, and I think Elijah's BETTER than him. Does he get there without moving to Nova?

Elijah will end up with a quality program and get plenty of burn.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 13, 2020, 06:16:29 pm
SBU to play Kansas this year. Early line is -64 pts, assuming we can field a team:

https://twitter.com/ethantsbu/status/1260684971758555143?s=21

EDIT: Add Florida to the non-conf schedule.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 13, 2020, 06:30:24 pm
This is gonna be painful.

They clearly planned this schedule out months in advance, to take on the toughest opponents and put forth a strong non con SOS before running the gamut in conference. Like 2016. They knew this was everyone’s final shot and they were gonna make the most of it.

And then all the players left. Just cruel.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 13, 2020, 06:57:03 pm
SBU's transfers leaving to compete at highest level
Elijah Olaniyi, Makale Foreman, Andrew Garcia and Anthony Ochefu have put their names in the transfer portal, joining Miles Latimer and Jeff Otchere, who left earlier.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-basketball-transfers-1.44618055


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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 13, 2020, 07:00:41 pm
the only way we keep KU within 30 is if the NCAA decides Jameel Warney, Lucas Woodhouse, and Akwasi Yeboah get a one-time waiver to use a fifth year of eligibility, and they all decide to suit up for the game. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on May 13, 2020, 07:13:54 pm
https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-basketball-transfers-1.44618055?__twitter_impression=true

“We’re talking about a group of great players and good people who really performed for us,” Ford said. “There was a desire in each to play at the Power Five level and once one decided to go, they all felt this was the opportunity . . . I don’t think it helped that we weren’t together and on campus because of  [the coronavirus].

Also...

“I know what this could look like and it couldn’t be further from the truth,” Garcia added. “Coach Ford has been tremendous. It came down to a personal decision. It was a personal decision for all of us.”
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 13, 2020, 07:22:51 pm
https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/5/13/mens-basketball-mens-hoops-adds-tykei-greene-another-dynamic-wing-to-2020-class.aspx
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 13, 2020, 07:25:52 pm
the only way we keep KU within 30 is if the NCAA decides Jameel Warney, Lucas Woodhouse, and Akwasi Yeboah get a one-time waiver to use a fifth year of eligibility, and they all decide to suit up for the game.

If we had all of them I think we win tbh. Crazier things have happened. Fun hypothetical.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: NJ Seawolf on May 13, 2020, 07:39:50 pm
That article does reassure me a little bit. None of them took a shot at Ford and it seems like it was a domino effect after Garcia transferred.

Even the others said if Garcia didn't leave there is a chance they would have stayed. One thing these guys need to be cautious about is that they will likely ride the bench at the bigger programs. I do not see any of these transfers being as good as Akwasi for example.

I think college hoops has changed in the last 10 years. Hope for three good years out of your players and then cross your fingers they want to return for their senior season. As I said earlier, the NCAA needs mid-major basketball to keep NCAA basketball relevant.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: GoSeawolves on May 14, 2020, 12:16:00 am
I am reading between the lines, they all said they want to better themselves. Other then Olaniyi and MAYBE Garcia they will all be making lateral moves. If they believed in the coach they would have stayed. All you need is 8 good players to have a chance. SB doesn't fire coaches so we will be screwed unless the new president cares and makes some changes
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 14, 2020, 06:01:39 am
I am reading between the lines, they all said they want to better themselves. Other then Olaniyi and MAYBE Garcia they will all be making lateral moves. If they believed in the coach they would have stayed. All you need is 8 good players to have a chance. SB doesn't fire coaches so we will be screwed unless the new president cares and makes some changes

I agree with you. Garcia and Olaniyi will be forgotten if they wind up on a Power 5 team. This has more to do with SB then anything else, and no. SB wont fire Ford for his poor performance and his unacceptable performance on the court and with his players.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 14, 2020, 01:24:27 pm
I am reading between the lines, they all said they want to better themselves. Other then Olaniyi and MAYBE Garcia they will all be making lateral moves. If they believed in the coach they would have stayed. All you need is 8 good players to have a chance. SB doesn't fire coaches so we will be screwed unless the new president cares and makes some changes

I do think it's important to read between the lines. The last thing a guy entering the transfer portal wants to do is say anything negative about his coach publicly. Maybe he loves Geno and not the program. Or loves the program and not Geno. I do think it's the former – just another guy who wants to take on a new challenge, even if it's in a more limited capacity.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 14, 2020, 01:37:21 pm
According to Student Athlete Network (@StuAthNetwork) | Twitter and his own Twitter feed JUCO SF Leighton Elliott-Sewell, originally out of the UK has committed to Stony Brook.  Looks like a pretty aggressive wing not afraid to absorb contact on the drive.  Could be a nice piece of the puzzle going forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii9-VIzkwRM
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbu1991 on May 14, 2020, 01:44:50 pm
According to Student Athlete Network (@StuAthNetwork) | Twitter and his own Twitter feed JUCO SF Leighton Elliott-Sewell, originally out of the UK has committed to Stony Brook.  Looks like a pretty aggressive wing not afraid to absorb contact on the drive.  Could be a nice piece of the puzzle going forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii9-VIzkwRM

Looks like he can drive to the basket and post up. If I'm reading his stats correctly, over 60% from the field. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 14, 2020, 01:50:10 pm
I agree with your assessment.   And to be politically correct, they should all say nice things, to impress their next coach with their character.   Latimer's thanking of all except his coaching staff was a mistake, and tells me something about the kid, whether Geno treated him fairly or not.  You never burn britches when you're out the door.

I wish all these kids luck in their next venture (if there is one).  Garcia was clearly torn on being the peg that brought the house down.  He will be a bench player for any Power 5, and I hope he doesn't regret his decision.

I also know Coronovirus keeping the team away from one another was a factor, but at the end of the day, Geno and Heilbron have to take some responsibility for not keeping this crew together as well.

Time to turn the page with this team, and see what we can do with a totally new roster.  After all, we were 1-2 in the AE playoffs the last 2 seasons, with all games at home.  Clearly, this roster had its chances and opportunities and clearly they didn't deliver.  So maybe with very low expectations this coming season, we were spared another year of disappointment with the old crew.

Speaking of new roster, looks like we added another athletic wing:

       https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1260980200961200128?s=20
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 14, 2020, 02:13:30 pm
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After all, we were 1-2 in the AE playoffs the last 2 seasons, with all games at home.  Clearly, this roster had its chances and opportunities and clearly they didn't deliver.  So maybe with very low expectations this coming season, we were spared another year of disappointment with the old crew.

exactly what im thinking

(oldie i accidentally messed up your post but put it back)
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 14, 2020, 02:18:22 pm
i like sewell; i like him a lot- glides through the air, lots of dunks, can penetrate from the wing.  might like to see less play with the free arm. 

reminds me of brenton.  confident in the paint/traffic.

note the very end you see him turn and baby hook.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 14, 2020, 02:20:45 pm
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After all, we were 1-2 in the AE playoffs the last 2 seasons, with all games at home.  Clearly, this roster had its chances and opportunities and clearly they didn't deliver.  So maybe with very low expectations this coming season, we were spared another year of disappointment with the old crew.

exactly what im thinking

(oldie i accidentally messed up your post but put it back)

LOL, CoB, no worries.   I've gone from really really disappointed 2 days ago -> to this is the world we live in yesterday -> to analyzing the situation objectively today.   I'm ready to move on; expectations low, but excited to see what we can do with a whole new roster.  I mean, isn't that what Hartford went through this past season??  Out with the old; in with the new.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 14, 2020, 02:38:42 pm
Never mind the scoring. Look at all those boards. In the last 10 games, he had 13, 13, 8, 15, 11, 15, 12, 10, 13 and 12. He had at least four offensive boards in all but one of those games.

Per VC, he was mostly a D-II guy out of high school and I'm skeptical of the defense being played (88 ppg?), but I'll take a guy who's committed to hitting the boards. Looks pretty springy too. Could be a crowd favorite.

Plus, I'm always in favor of MORE INITIALS GUYS. TSM, TPP, now LES.

It's worth noting that we don't have anybody in our freshman class right now, and just four offers out for the 2020 class. Go get me Luis Kortright out of St. Raymond's or Ibrahim Wattara from Mount St. Mike's. Or a high D-I bounceback kid. Anthony Nelson from Seton Hall comes to mind – floor general, New York City kid, high academics, just looking for somebody to give him the keys. Unfortunately he would have to sit a year so, with two already doing that, I'm thinking he's out.

Hartford is a great comparison for us right now. Ellison and Carter weren't perfect players, but they both came in there and ran with it, and I think they had a legitimate shot at taking down Vermont.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 14, 2020, 03:12:58 pm
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Plus, I'm always in favor of MORE INITIALS GUYS. TSM, TPP, now LES.

wow i had the same thought!  need to come up with nicknames.  ::)
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 14, 2020, 03:24:39 pm
I’ve had my own interactions with Latimer outside of basketball and can confirm that the dude was really full of himself - I understand athletes are naturally cocky due to their talent but even compared to that he was something else. Not surprised that he would purposefully leave out the coaches in his farewell.

On the surface this transfer’s numbers are great. Averaging a double double, 63% shooting? Awesome. How will it translate to the D1 level?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: SaltySeawolf on May 15, 2020, 08:53:00 am
The SBU website still lists everyone on the roster.  Does anyone have an updated one that reflects where we are today?  I've lost track big time.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 15, 2020, 09:43:18 am
The SBU website still lists everyone on the roster.  Does anyone have an updated one that reflects where we are today?  I've lost track big time.

I believe that this represents the latest:
        Name                                 Expected '20-'21 Status                  Info
-- Mo Gueye                                                      Senior
-- Frankie Policelli                                               Sophomore
-- Tyler Stephenson-Moore                                  Sophomore
-- Tavon Pierre-Philippe                                       Sophomore
-- Jordan McKenzie                                             Senior
-- Alex Christie                                                   Junior
-- Quari Alleyne                                                  Senior                                             Walk-on
-- Lenny Kadisha                                                Senior                                              Walk-on
-- Omar Habwe                                                  Senior
-- Jaden Sayles                                                  Senior                                               Redshirt (Xfr)
-- Tykei Greene                                                  Junior                                               Redshirt (Xfr)
-- Juan Felix Rodriguez                                        Junior                                               JUCO Xfr
-- Leighton Elliott-Sewell                                     Junior                                          JUCO Xfr (Not Yet Signed)
-- 2 Additional Scholarship Slots Available

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 15, 2020, 12:25:44 pm
an attempt by position (hopefully!): http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-basketball/looking-ahead-to-2020-21/msg30416/#msg30416
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbu1991 on May 15, 2020, 01:08:21 pm
The SBU website still lists everyone on the roster.  Does anyone have an updated one that reflects where we are today?  I've lost track big time.

I believe that this represents the latest:
        Name                                 Expected '20-'21 Status                  Info
-- Mo Gueye                                                      Senior
-- Frankie Policelli                                               Sophomore
-- Tyler Stephenson-Moore                                  Sophomore
-- Tavon Pierre-Philippe                                       Sophomore
-- Jordan McKenzie                                             Senior
-- Alex Christie                                                   Junior
-- Quari Alleyne                                                  Senior                                             Walk-on
-- Lenny Kadisha                                                Senior                                              Walk-on
-- Omar Habwe                                                  Senior
-- Jaden Sayles                                                  Senior                                               Redshirt (Xfr)
-- Tykei Greene                                                  Junior                                               Redshirt (Xfr)
-- Juan Felix Rodriguez                                        Junior                                               JUCO Xfr
-- Leighton Elliott-Sewell                                     Junior                                          JUCO Xfr (Not Yet Signed)
-- 2 Additional Scholarship Slots Available

for clarity, Sayles and Greene are DI transfers that have to sit out this coming year?

I guess as of now McKenzie is starting at PG
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on May 16, 2020, 01:41:23 am
I just posted this in recruiting.

We just signed Juwan White, a 6'2" combo guard from Butler CC. Immediately eligible.

We won him over a slew of D2 schools including SW Oklahoma State, Minnesota State, Georgia Southwestern, Arkansas Monticello, and Texas A&M International.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 16, 2020, 01:44:08 am
So we were his only D1 offer. On the surface, that’s not encouraging
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 16, 2020, 06:36:26 am
So we were his only D1 offer. On the surface, that’s not encouraging

Look a little closer, and I think you may find that the Seawolves stole one here.  Very quick, with a mean stutter step and unusually good eye for the assist.

https://t.co/kn1PM7f8T4?amp=1
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: ry1nik on May 16, 2020, 07:58:53 am
So we were his only D1 offer. On the surface, that’s not encouraging

Look a little closer, and I think you may find that the Seawolves stole one here.  Very quick, with a mean stutter step and unusually good eye for the assist.

https://t.co/kn1PM7f8T4?amp=1
Have to agree, at least based on highlight reel. Quick release, sharp cuts, and can easily go to both his left and right.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 16, 2020, 08:09:14 am
So we were his only D1 offer. On the surface, that’s not encouraging

Look a little closer, and I think you may find that the Seawolves stole one here.  Very quick, with a mean stutter step and unusually good eye for the assist.

https://t.co/kn1PM7f8T4?amp=1

He looks deceptively quick, but this is against JC competition, so we'll see.  Good shooting #'s, and 2 Assists per game.  Still one scholly left unless they give it to one of the walk-ons.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 16, 2020, 04:16:24 pm
Here's a dandy to fill the Seawolves' last open scholarship slot JUCO SF Mo Diallo (Grew up in Harlem, like Garcia).
Just committed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuDA61lc3xk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 16, 2020, 04:28:23 pm
Another Mo??  We’ll need another nickname. Anyone remember Al Rapier, who was a JC transfer if I remember correctly?  He was a diamond in the rough who turned to be pretty good.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 16, 2020, 05:22:21 pm
Another Mo??  We’ll need another nickname. Anyone remember Al Rapier, who was a JC transfer if I remember correctly?  He was a diamond in the rough who turned to be pretty good.

I recommend we go with Mo-G and Mo-D.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 16, 2020, 05:35:46 pm
Solid on the Mo nicknames; and the addition of LES.
Title: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 16, 2020, 06:57:42 pm
I didn’t love the video for Diallo but can’t argue with the workload and production. Must be decent. If I had to guess the newcomers’ impact in 2020-21, in order I’d go ...

Elliott-Sewell
Diallo
White
Habwe
Rodriguez

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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 16, 2020, 08:25:52 pm
this is getting really difficult!

guards: mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, white
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, diallo
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 16, 2020, 09:09:33 pm
this is getting really difficult!

guards: mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, white
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, diallo
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles

Who of this group gets us 15 a night? TSM and/or Policelli? And who's the leader?

Guessing TPP, TSM, Policelli, Diallo, Gueye is our starting five. Maybe LES instead of Diallo.

Juco numbers can be so deceptive. For example, White's shooting stats might intrigue you, but Thrower, Long and Almonacy also lit it up from deep at the D-II level. Walker went for 21 and 8 at Barton – pretty ordinary here. Even though it's the AE, I expect it'll be a good-sized jump in competition for these guys.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 16, 2020, 09:30:52 pm
this is getting really difficult!

guards: mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, white
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, diallo
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles


Close, but no cigar, CoB.  You left out LES!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbufan on May 16, 2020, 09:57:53 pm


Who of this group gets us 15 a night? TSM and/or Policelli? And who's the leader?

Guessing TPP, TSM, Policelli, Diallo, Gueye is our starting five. Maybe LES instead of Diallo.

Juco numbers can be so deceptive. For example, White's shooting stats might intrigue you, but Thrower, Long and Almonacy also lit it up from deep at the D-II level. Walker went for 21 and 8 at Barton – pretty ordinary here. Even though it's the AE, I expect it'll be a good-sized jump in competition for these guys.

I think it's going to be small lineup and be Rodriguez, TPP, TSM, Policelli and Gueye. I still think this can be a really solid team. Policelli is a big winner with this roster change. I've always thought he could be a great AE player, but it was going to be hard to give him playing time over olaniyi, garcia and Gueye. He's now definitely a starter and probably getting 25% of possessions when he's on the floor.

EDIT: also everyone should look at how great the Dayton team that Policelli transferred out of was this season. Don't hold his limited production as a freshman against him
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbufan on May 16, 2020, 10:14:06 pm

I think it's going to be small lineup and be Rodriguez, TPP, TSM, Policelli and Gueye. I still think this can be a really solid team. Policelli is a big winner with this roster change. I've always thought he could be a great AE player, but it was going to be hard to give him playing time over olaniyi, garcia and Gueye. He's now definitely a starter and probably getting 25% of possessions when he's on the floor.

EDIT: also everyone should look at how great the Dayton team that Policelli transferred out of was this season. Don't hold his limited production as a freshman against him


I forgot about Hadwe, I think it's:

Rodriguez
TSM
Hadwe
Policelli
Gueye
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 17, 2020, 07:07:28 am
guards: mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, white
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, diallo, sewell
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 17, 2020, 08:27:27 am
guards: mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, white
slash: gueye, kadisha, alleyne, diallo, sewell
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles

So it appears that we have a full team now.  13 roster spots taken plus 2 red-shirts (unless NCAA potentially loosens transfer restriction for coming year).  Assuming that sitting for 1 year on transfer continues, do the 2 red-shirts count against us for this upcoming year on max team scholarships of 13?  If not, is there a chance that Kadisha and Alleyne will be released in favor of opening up 2 scholarship openings?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: SaltySeawolf on May 17, 2020, 11:14:36 am
This is now completely new to us.  I don't think we have ever entered a season where we have zero idea about whether this team is any good or not.  I have a hunch that this team is still a top half team, but it is based on absolutely nothing.  What does excite me, is that you have to think that we now have a roster for next year that all want to be here.  Returners and new comers alike have to feel like there is something to prove and we may see a team that plays more desperate then the ones we've seen the past 3 or 4 years.  I am optimistic and looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 17, 2020, 11:38:30 am
I’d love to be optimistic, but I don’t know how you can replace three All-Conference starters with a bunch of JUCO guys and expect similar results
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 17, 2020, 03:21:46 pm
but those results werent good- in the AE tournament.  they were never good.  well, except one year.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 17, 2020, 06:18:25 pm
This is now completely new to us.  I don't think we have ever entered a season where we have zero idea about whether this team is any good or not.  I have a hunch that this team is still a top half team, but it is based on absolutely nothing.  What does excite me, is that you have to think that we now have a roster for next year that all want to be here.  Returners and new comers alike have to feel like there is something to prove and we may see a team that plays more desperate then the ones we've seen the past 3 or 4 years.  I am optimistic and looking forward to this.

Top half is still a fair assumption if for no other reasons the AE is an otherwise gutter trash conference competition wise outside of the top couple of teams. Maine, New Hampshire, Binghamton without Sessoms... best those programs are able to do is barely crack the top 300 nationally (out of 355 teams).
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on May 19, 2020, 07:15:26 am
Looks like Quari Alleyne has left the roster.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 19, 2020, 08:00:12 am
guards: mack, TPP, TSM, rodriguez, white
slash: gueye, kadisha, diallo, sewell
bigs: christie, policelli, habwe
redshirt: greene, sayles

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 20, 2020, 01:09:19 pm
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on May 20, 2020, 01:17:14 pm
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?

I think we need to look more at the underlying condition, rather than look at individual players. Something is going on in this BB organizing, and it isn't good. My guess is it has everything to do with Geno, but I cant confirm this. None the less, SH needs to do something, and do it fast. Unfortunately, NYS is broke and SB cant afford to buy out Geno contract.

The first mistake SB did was give Geno a long term contract out of the gate without any proven wins. How can they do that. Do year to year and see what he can do in the playoffs before locking a HC in. Dumb!!!!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 20, 2020, 06:08:57 pm
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?

Northwestern didn't make the NCAA tournament until 2017. Would we ever out-recruit Northwestern for anyone? Education quality aside the P5 draw will be too strong. It's a crappy part of the transfer process, but as has been mentioned before we're going to keep dealing with this until we're in an A-10 level conference or better. It's just how it is.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on May 20, 2020, 07:01:00 pm
I hope I'm not in the minority that I wish Olaniyi, Garcia, Foreman, Latimer and Otchere all the success they dream of - and beyond. I know that's a bad precedence for the future of mid-majors, especially us, but I think it looks good for our program if players from Stony Brook can play at a higher level. it says multitudes about our recruiting and player development. The trick is keeping them around for their senior year, but as long as that rule's in place, it'll always be a struggle.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 20, 2020, 07:40:46 pm
Garcia’s the player I feel the least for. He’s the one who said himself that he knew leaving could trigger a domino effect, and he still did it anyway. And he left to a school that has the made the NCAA Tournament less recently than Stony Brook.

Is this really what you wanted, guys?

I don't agree with this line of thinking at all.

Last year, Georgia played 19 games against teams ranked in KenPom's top 100, and just 3 games outside the top 200.
Last year, Miami played 18 games against teams ranked in KenPom's top 100, and just 3 games outside the top 200.
Last year, Stony Brook played 6 games against teams ranked in KenPom's top 100, and 23 games outside the top 200.

If you ask the top 1000 players in the country who they'd rather play for, 10 might say Stony Brook. Just a different level. I don't blame anyone for giving it a shot. And there are a million who do, find out they don't make the cut, and transfer to schools like ours.

That said, it's sad that we will worry about players being "too good" for this team and conference. Good year, good as gone. It's sad. But that will be a reality as long as we're in the AE. I'll stop short of saying that getting hired guns from the juco level and high major kickbacks each year is the new norm for us because it's not happening to everybody at our level. Remember – Stony Brook 7 transfers; rest of the AE about 2 apiece. I sure hope it isn't.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 20, 2020, 08:57:44 pm
Yeah, the lights are brighter at those schools, but making the NCAA Tournament isn't a given at those schools either. They're not the top of their Power 5 conferences.

Regardless, I just hope that watching an entire starting rotation transfer to other schools - including 3 who specifically left because we weren't good enough for them - presses Shawn Heilbron to be more proactive in getting us out of the state we're in. The fact that we had three of the best players in the conference leave us should be a wake up call to the entire athletic department about why the America East is not it.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: SaltySeawolf on May 21, 2020, 11:32:56 am
I think too good for this conference is yet to be determined.  Let's re-evaluate after their playing time is done at those schools.  If you are a competitor, playing for a championship and playing 30 minutes a night would outweigh 15 minutes a game, 3 more pair of shoes and two new sweat suits.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 21, 2020, 12:56:16 pm
Yeah, the lights are brighter at those schools, but making the NCAA Tournament isn't a given at those schools either. They're not the top of their Power 5 conferences.

Regardless, I just hope that watching an entire starting rotation transfer to other schools - including 3 who specifically left because we weren't good enough for them - presses Shawn Heilbron to be more proactive in getting us out of the state we're in. The fact that we had three of the best players in the conference leave us should be a wake up call to the entire athletic department about why the America East is not it.

I say it's easier to finish in the top third of a power conference and make the tournament than it is to win your conference tournament where everything is on the line. Much greater margin for error in the P5 leagues with .500 teams making it in.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on May 22, 2020, 03:04:47 pm
Uh. Hooray?

https://twitter.com/StonyBrookMBB/status/1263873506741190656?s=20

Seriously, kudos to them. But just a weird tweet all things considered.

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on May 22, 2020, 03:25:46 pm
Uh. Hooray?

https://twitter.com/StonyBrookMBB/status/1263873506741190656?s=20

Seriously, kudos to them. But just a weird tweet all things considered.

Sort of akin to a professional athlete going free agent to another team, and the team he leaves from wishing him well.  A tad weird, unless Heilbron is trying to emphasize to his new boss, that their leaving had nothing to with him.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on May 22, 2020, 04:45:16 pm
They likely had the graphics ready before they transferred. I don't know if I personally would have still posted them now than they ditched, but it does look 'classy' to keep it.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 22, 2020, 06:05:34 pm
The kids played basketball on our team and graduated, so we Tweeted about them. Nothing weird about that. No matter how upset we might be on this forum, these kids suited up for SBU and played for us, then went on to graduate. Can't really get upset about that.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 27, 2020, 03:03:37 pm
https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/8/27/mens-basketball-tyler-stephenson-moore-spends-summer-polishing-ballhanding-aims-to-lead-mens-hoops.aspx
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on August 28, 2020, 01:49:06 pm
I saw Gueye and Policelli walking into Dick's Sporting Goods yesterday. Sorry, that's all I got.
Title: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on September 03, 2020, 05:06:12 pm
In a year where we lack proven scoring ability, this is really good news. 9.7 ppg at Manhattan might be 15-16 a night here.

https://twitter.com/ethantsbu/status/1301627098696736769?s=21


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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on September 04, 2020, 03:38:03 pm
I know nothing about him, but I'm going to assume it was a good pickup. I really thought this would be our year to win the AE and get back to the tournament, but then everything went to hell and everybody left. No clue what to expect next year. If we finish better than 4th in conference though I'd be lowkey impressed.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 23, 2020, 11:10:26 am
https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/9/23/frankie-policelli-ups-vertical-leap-primed-to-help-lead-stony-brook-mens-basketball.aspx

Quote
. And in a competition the coaches employ known as "The Gold Standard" — a scoring system in which players get plusses for positives such as made shots, assists, steals and rebounds and lose points for stats such as turnovers and missed shots — Policelli ranked No. 1 on the team.

"Now we all know that we all need you to play well in December, not July," head coach Geno Ford said. "But I can assure everybody that in July (2019), Frankie was playing better than anyone on our roster."

Policelli arrived at Stony Brook with a 20- to 21-inch vertical leap. In the past year-plus, he has increased it by another 10 inches. That partly resulted from shedding roughly 15 pounds. He now is listed at 215.

"He was our leading rebounder, and I don't think we could have slid a phone book under his feet," Ford quipped. "I don't know if they still make phone books. But he wasn't in the air very long. You would have had to be real quick. And it wasn't going to be the Yellow Pages. I can guarantee you that.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on October 01, 2020, 07:45:50 pm
21 minutes is a little much to ask of you, but here’s a nice interview with Rodriguez.

https://youtu.be/CPATDGr3i2M


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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 15, 2020, 10:04:06 am
can anyone update on what's going on with the bball season?  we are but 3 weeks away... thanks.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on October 15, 2020, 01:24:21 pm
can anyone update on what's going on with the bball season?  we are but 3 weeks away... thanks.

As I understand it, the season is scheduled to begin on Nov. 25 without fans in the arena.  Details for a schedule are being worked out, but reportedly will include several out-of-conference games, as well as full conference schedule.  There's still talk in the air for SBU to participate in a small tournament at MSG, as well as a local group of games with nearby programs.  For example, the opening game of the season may be with Fairfield at Island Federal Arena (Would have been great to see in person, as it represents a homecoming for Jay Young--which would have been SUPER).

Details are still in the works, but a current article in Newsday provides some additional hints:

https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-men-s-basketball-1.50037541?utm_source=tw_sp
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 15, 2020, 02:31:37 pm
thanks!

getting hard to keep track of all of this...
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on October 17, 2020, 06:05:22 pm
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2020/10/9/21509147/america-east-college-basketball-schedule-2020-amy-huchthausen-interview
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 21, 2020, 01:43:20 pm
adam rubin interviews geno ford: https://stonybrookathletics.podbean.com/e/the-howl-s2-e9-geno-ford-stony-brook-mens-basketball-coach/

remember NJIT is in this year, so that's two more conference games (20).  NCAA allows games starting 11/25.  they're expecting a schedule to start forming by late october. 

ford implied that the team is unfamiliar with each other (naturally).  lots of question marks, but individual talent.  seemed to think there is much room for improvement.  will start 2-4 "new" players.  my guess for starters: gueye, rodriguez, TSM, pollicelli, diallo/sewell.  if that's right its a big lineup.

not clear but i think he said no fans until conference games, maybe later. 

ill say it again, its harder and harder to get excited about your team when the players turnover every year- even when the incoming players are talented.  that's of course a function of NCAA rules and external events. 


newsday coverage: https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-men-s-basketball-1.50037541


buy a cardboard cutout to sit in your seats: https://form.jotform.com/202754398591163


looks like we are supposed to play iona at the garden: https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2020/10/syracuses-mens-basketball-team-wont-play-gotham-classic-or-colgate-this-season.html


STONY BROOK’S MULTI-TEAM EVENT
Nov. 28-Dec. 1
Teams: Stony Brook, Fairfield, Sacred Heart
https://watchstadium.com/college-basketballs-2020-21-events-schedule-10-07-2020/

Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on October 21, 2020, 06:23:34 pm
The Howl was a good listen.

My biggest takeaway was when he said that Gueye has taken a step forward physically, mentally and as a shooter, adding that he looks very little like the player we saw last year – who I thought was pretty good.

The first individual talent he brought up of the incoming players was Rodriguez. TPP would "compete for playing time"; he was mentioned with Christie so it sounds as though he's behind some guys.

@CoB, roster turnover and we can't even watch them in person. It'll be tough. On the bright side, with two games in two days against the same opponent, only one preview a week for me!  ;D
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 21, 2020, 08:47:33 pm
oh right, that'll save you some time!

they are fantastic, i know i tell you every year.

GO SB
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on October 22, 2020, 06:26:43 am
That was a good listen.  Ford always gives a solid interview.  I like the jab he gave at last year's team (maybe at Foreman directly), when he said that we now have a pure shooter (Policelli) and not just some streaky shooter.  I'm sure that undercard SBU/Iona will get scrapped.  Maybe we should purchase fan cut-outs for last year's team, and put them in the last row of the bleachers :)
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on October 24, 2020, 08:38:43 am
That was a good listen.  Ford always gives a solid interview.  I like the jab he gave at last year's team (maybe at Foreman directly), when he said that we now have a pure shooter (Policelli) and not just some streaky shooter.  I'm sure that undercard SBU/Iona will get scrapped.  Maybe we should purchase fan cut-outs for last year's team, and put them in the last row of the bleachers :)
There’s talk of Mohegan Sun hosting some 30 teams  from previously scheduled multi team events in NYC and other locations. I don’t know if the SBU/Iona game is part of that, but could very well be.


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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: steveoh on October 30, 2020, 05:36:22 pm
Jaden Sayles eligible. That's good news.

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2020/10/30/mens-basketball-sayles-wool-immediately-eligible-for-2020-21-basketball-season.aspx
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 30, 2020, 05:53:52 pm
amazing.  thanks!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 02, 2020, 03:47:51 pm
Modified America East basketball schedule will present challenges for Stony Brook
https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-basketball-america-east-1.50054715
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on November 02, 2020, 05:50:51 pm
Modified America East basketball schedule will present challenges for Stony Brook
https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-basketball-america-east-1.50054715

WOW.

2 games at Albany
2 games at Vermont

Sounds like SB got the shaft!! Good job Shawn Heilbron.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: captaindj21 on November 02, 2020, 09:38:19 pm
I never post, but Shawn Heilbron absolutely has nothing to do with putting together the conference schedule, hence the term "conference schedule."  Call Amy Huchtausen if you have a gripe
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on November 02, 2020, 10:13:20 pm
I never post, but Shawn Heilbron absolutely has nothing to do with putting together the conference schedule, hence the term "conference schedule."  Call Amy Huchtausen if you have a gripe
I'm sure if SH took a stand against her decision she'd work out a compromise.  This schedule is not even in the same ball park as being fair.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest410 on November 02, 2020, 11:38:39 pm
I never post, but Shawn Heilbron absolutely has nothing to do with putting together the conference schedule, hence the term "conference schedule."  Call Amy Huchtausen if you have a gripe
I'm sure if SH took a stand against her decision she'd work out a compromise.  This schedule is not even in the same ball park as being fair.
From what I hear, she's not a good commissioner. Barely shows up to games, does not pay attention. Talks only to big-time boosters, cares nothing for the media and answering actual questions about what's going on. Constantly making mistakes, blaming it on subordinates, etc.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on November 03, 2020, 04:59:55 am
I never post, but Shawn Heilbron absolutely has nothing to do with putting together the conference schedule, hence the term "conference schedule."  Call Amy Huchtausen if you have a gripe
I'm sure if SH took a stand against her decision she'd work out a compromise.  This schedule is not even in the same ball park as being fair.
From what I hear, she's not a good commissioner. Barely shows up to games, does not pay attention. Talks only to big-time boosters, cares nothing for the media and answering actual questions about what's going on. Constantly making mistakes, blaming it on subordinates, etc.

I met Amy a few times, dont know anything about her. The bigger issue here is the America East Conference. This Conference truly is the bottom dweller of all D1 leagues. Stony Brook shouldn't be playing in this conference. SB girls Lax is the main reason why they shouldn't be in this Conf and in Basketball, SB definitely would get more Warney like recruits if they were playing in a more recognizable conf.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on November 03, 2020, 07:27:09 am
All of this goes back to that a-hole Cuomo doing everything he can to hamper Stony Brook. New York being the 4th largest state and having zero Power 5 public schools is his burden to bear. He could fix that in an instant but his incompetence only costs us
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on November 03, 2020, 09:44:25 am
All of this goes back to that a-hole Cuomo doing everything he can to hamper Stony Brook. New York being the 4th largest state and having zero Power 5 public schools is his burden to bear. He could fix that in an instant but his incompetence only costs us

Emperor Cuomo is a disaster for NYS, economically. This state deserves everything bad coming its way. Keep voting moron Governors with zero business skills to run one of the largest states in the Country.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Tml on November 03, 2020, 10:48:39 am
All of this goes back to that a-hole Cuomo doing everything he can to hamper Stony Brook. New York being the 4th largest state and having zero Power 5 public schools is his burden to bear. He could fix that in an instant but his incompetence only costs us

There is pretty much no constituency in New York for a Power Five public university team and there certainly isn’t one at Stony Brook, where attendance at sporting events is mediocre. 
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on November 03, 2020, 11:01:56 am
All of this goes back to that a-hole Cuomo doing everything he can to hamper Stony Brook. New York being the 4th largest state and having zero Power 5 public schools is his burden to bear. He could fix that in an instant but his incompetence only costs us

There is pretty much no constituency in New York for a Power Five public university team and there certainly isn’t one at Stony Brook, where attendance at sporting events is mediocre.

I’m sure attendance would be a lot better if we played schools people actually knew!!!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 03, 2020, 11:31:01 am
i think youre both right.  there's just too many distractions here downstate. 

it doesnt help that the campus is empty (or at least silent) when significant athletic events occur.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest410 on November 03, 2020, 02:49:52 pm
i think youre both right.  there's just too many distractions here downstate. 

it doesnt help that the campus is empty (or at least silent) when significant athletic events occur.

100%. Yes, Cuomo screwed the school six ways to Sunday numerous times but you can't go around blaming everyone else for problems that the school has done nothing to rectify. Island Federal was updated but it's still pretty bad. Two concessions, right across from each other. Not people friendly what so ever. Doesn't help that the Athletic's department officials never socialize and talk with "common folk" and only sit with the donors in the suite. And even then, half the people in the suite don't pay. Ranging from local politicians, yes they have local Suffolk officials at Football and Basketball all the time, to their own family. And that's okay but it means less money coming in.

The Football stadium is a piece of garbage, the home locker room is an embarrassment and the away locker room is an open room in a building that is more than a minute walk outside the stadium. The school has done nothing to make most of the donors feel welcome, only ass-kissing the highest ones and even they are walking away from the school. Football has lost numerous donors due to Chuck being around and Geno at the helm of basketball is not a big help either.

Cuomo is a problem, but he's not the sole or main problem. Someone in one of the football chats mentioned how they thought SBU should (or maybe said might) shutdown football in the near future, and that's not actually the craziest idea. If they shut down football, and put more of the money into basketball, they would probably be able to attract better recruits. Better recruits usually means better on-court success, more money, and the cycle starts again. That might also lead to say finally joining the CAA in all sports, because the Hofstra AD can't reject it twice without a full-blown public outcry and embarrassment. Until the school starts moving in the right direction, WLAX is the only guaranteed sport, with WBB always having a chance because McCombs is one impressive coach.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on November 03, 2020, 03:04:02 pm
Getting rid of football would invalidate Heilbron's entire master plan.  Don't think that's gonna happen any time soon.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Tml on November 03, 2020, 03:42:12 pm


I’m sure attendance would be a lot better if we played schools people actually knew!!!

I’m not and you shouldn’t be.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbufan on November 03, 2020, 03:54:40 pm


I’m sure attendance would be a lot better if we played schools people actually knew!!!

I’m not and you shouldn’t be.

I think we would draw the same numbers as Rutgers. They face all the same challenges that we would face. Rutgers is, imo, the low end of what Stony Brook should aspire to be.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 03, 2020, 04:35:55 pm
curious- what are the ruTgers #s these days?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest369 on November 03, 2020, 04:45:37 pm
No one should want Stony Brook to be a full-time member of the CAA. It’s a lateral move. It’s still a one-bid conference for basketball and in the FCS for football. We’d be in the same hellhole.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 03, 2020, 05:21:02 pm
we really arent headed anywhere football-wise if we can't put asses in seats.

how are we gonna do that?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest410 on November 03, 2020, 05:49:20 pm
No one should want Stony Brook to be a full-time member of the CAA. It’s a lateral move. It’s still a one-bid conference for basketball and in the FCS for football. We’d be in the same hellhole.
Much better competition in terms of Basketball. Vermont is an America East powerhouse. Every team in the CAA is good, not top-heavy. And there's not another conference with numerous teams close enough that should and would want SBU.

A10? Enjoy getting whooped by VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton and UMass
ASUN- that's a step down
Big East? Funny joke
Not even going to touch ACC
C-USA is too far away and most of those schools would beat SBU
MAAC is like ASUN, step down
MAC is too far away, and too good

Maybe Patriot league, but I only know them for FCS football, not basketball.

Seriously, aside from CAA, where else do you think SBU could go? They're not good enough to join a league with plenty of good teams, and don't have the money to fly to every game.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: ry1nik on November 03, 2020, 06:35:54 pm
Moving to the CAA would not help and would probably hurt. The purpose of conference affiliation is to raise the public profile of the university. The basketball programs of Elon, Hofstra, Drexel etc. in no way enhance the visibility or reputation of those universities. Better to stay in the AEC where there’s a greater chance of winning a bid to the NCAA tournament...which DOES provide visibility.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 04, 2020, 04:47:10 am
I will say right not dropping football is a non-starter. What self-respecting university doesn't have football? Especially one with the ambitions we have? Total non-starter. Football stays.

No one should want Stony Brook to be a full-time member of the CAA. It’s a lateral move. It’s still a one-bid conference for basketball and in the FCS for football. We’d be in the same hellhole.
Much better competition in terms of Basketball. Vermont is an America East powerhouse. Every team in the CAA is good, not top-heavy. And there's not another conference with numerous teams close enough that should and would want SBU.

A10? Enjoy getting whooped by VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton and UMass
ASUN- that's a step down
Big East? Funny joke
Not even going to touch ACC
C-USA is too far away and most of those schools would beat SBU
MAAC is like ASUN, step down
MAC is too far away, and too good

Maybe Patriot league, but I only know them for FCS football, not basketball.

Seriously, aside from CAA, where else do you think SBU could go? They're not good enough to join a league with plenty of good teams, and don't have the money to fly to every game.

CAA is a lateral move and doesn't get us into a multi-bid conference. Our eyes need to be set on the A10. I completely believe with the amount we spend on athletics that we could compete in the A10. Recruiting would see a huge boost and I have no reason to believe we couldn't be in the top half of that conference every year. The A10 sends at least 2-3 teams to the tournament each year and has sent as many as five. THAT needs to be our target. They're full right now, but should St. Louis (Big East Rumored), Dayton (Big East rumored), Umass (AAC rumored), or someone else leave we have to be up there on expansion targets. There are schools in that conference such as Fordham who are clearly overmatched and are an RPI anchor for that conference. I've seen us mentioned on A10 fan boards as a replacement for deadweight Fordham.

A10 or an FBS conference should be our goal for sports. Otherwise just keep things in the AE/CAA.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on November 04, 2020, 06:40:33 am
I will say right not dropping football is a non-starter. What self-respecting university doesn't have football? Especially one with the ambitions we have? Total non-starter. Football stays.

No one should want Stony Brook to be a full-time member of the CAA. It’s a lateral move. It’s still a one-bid conference for basketball and in the FCS for football. We’d be in the same hellhole.
Much better competition in terms of Basketball. Vermont is an America East powerhouse. Every team in the CAA is good, not top-heavy. And there's not another conference with numerous teams close enough that should and would want SBU.

A10? Enjoy getting whooped by VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton and UMass
ASUN- that's a step down
Big East? Funny joke
Not even going to touch ACC
C-USA is too far away and most of those schools would beat SBU
MAAC is like ASUN, step down
MAC is too far away, and too good

Maybe Patriot league, but I only know them for FCS football, not basketball.

Seriously, aside from CAA, where else do you think SBU could go? They're not good enough to join a league with plenty of good teams, and don't have the money to fly to every game.

CAA is a lateral move and doesn't get us into a multi-bid conference. Our eyes need to be set on the A10. I completely believe with the amount we spend on athletics that we could compete in the A10. Recruiting would see a huge boost and I have no reason to believe we couldn't be in the top half of that conference every year. The A10 sends at least 2-3 teams to the tournament each year and has sent as many as five. THAT needs to be our target. They're full right now, but should St. Louis (Big East Rumored), Dayton (Big East rumored), Umass (AAC rumored), or someone else leave we have to be up there on expansion targets. There are schools in that conference such as Fordham who are clearly overmatched and are an RPI anchor for that conference. I've seen us mentioned on A10 fan boards as a replacement for deadweight Fordham.

A10 or an FBS conference should be our goal for sports. Otherwise just keep things in the AE/CAA.

Ambitions??? Keeping Chucky cheese as your head coach is not ambitious, sorry.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2020, 09:38:34 am
my question would be- are students going to come out of their dorms to watch bball play... davidson college?  lasalle?  st. bonnies?   

*yes, im aware the analysis is much deeper than this and involves $$$
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: ry1nik on November 04, 2020, 12:59:36 pm
“I will say right not dropping football is a non-starter. What self-respecting university doesn't have football? Especially one with the ambitions we have?”

At least two. UC Irvine and UC Santa Barbara, both which consistently beat SBU in academic reputation and ratings.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: guest410 on November 04, 2020, 01:28:05 pm
I will say right not dropping football is a non-starter. What self-respecting university doesn't have football? Especially one with the ambitions we have? Total non-starter. Football stays.

No one should want Stony Brook to be a full-time member of the CAA. It’s a lateral move. It’s still a one-bid conference for basketball and in the FCS for football. We’d be in the same hellhole.
Much better competition in terms of Basketball. Vermont is an America East powerhouse. Every team in the CAA is good, not top-heavy. And there's not another conference with numerous teams close enough that should and would want SBU.

A10? Enjoy getting whooped by VCU, Rhode Island, Dayton and UMass
ASUN- that's a step down
Big East? Funny joke
Not even going to touch ACC
C-USA is too far away and most of those schools would beat SBU
MAAC is like ASUN, step down
MAC is too far away, and too good

Maybe Patriot league, but I only know them for FCS football, not basketball.

Seriously, aside from CAA, where else do you think SBU could go? They're not good enough to join a league with plenty of good teams, and don't have the money to fly to every game.

CAA is a lateral move and doesn't get us into a multi-bid conference. Our eyes need to be set on the A10. I completely believe with the amount we spend on athletics that we could compete in the A10. Recruiting would see a huge boost and I have no reason to believe we couldn't be in the top half of that conference every year. The A10 sends at least 2-3 teams to the tournament each year and has sent as many as five. THAT needs to be our target. They're full right now, but should St. Louis (Big East Rumored), Dayton (Big East rumored), Umass (AAC rumored), or someone else leave we have to be up there on expansion targets. There are schools in that conference such as Fordham who are clearly overmatched and are an RPI anchor for that conference. I've seen us mentioned on A10 fan boards as a replacement for deadweight Fordham.

A10 or an FBS conference should be our goal for sports. Otherwise just keep things in the AE/CAA.

You make good points, and I would love for all that to happen, but no FBS conference should/would want SBU other than to be a punching bag, easy win. Like Rutgers was after Schiano left.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbu1991 on November 04, 2020, 06:57:55 pm
Does anyone care to guess the starting line-up and rotation? Lots of new faces this year.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2020, 08:35:40 pm
i recently posted an interview with ford, he was high on rodriguez i think, i cant find it.

maybe it's TSM, rodriguez, gueye, policelli, sewell, habwe, i dunno.  i don't know where sayles fits in either as the interview was before he was eligible.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 09, 2020, 11:19:27 am
predictions for the upcoming season: https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/america-east-basketball-preview-2021

edit- not sure of the origins of the lineup, but it may somewhat indicate who our starters are.  based on that, greene, gueye, rodriguez, TSM, pollicelli.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on November 09, 2020, 12:40:27 pm
predictions for the upcoming season: https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/america-east-basketball-preview-2021

edit- not sure of the origins of the lineup, but it may somewhat indicate who our starters are.  based on that, greene, gueye, rodriguez, TSM, pollicelli.

I don't have much of a problem with where we are here – could go a little higher and also a little lower. I think we'll defend well, but scoring may not come easily.

At first, UNH being fourth was a surprise to me, but then you look at the fact that the conference only returns four of 15 all-conference players, and two are from UNH, suggests that maybe they'll be all right. And Binghamton belongs ahead of Maine. Bingo's core isn't bad if Bruce actually plays. They might be better than us even.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on November 11, 2020, 02:50:10 pm
Preseason poll is out. We're picked to finish fifth behind Vermont, UMBC, UNH and Albany. https://americaeast.com/news/2020/11/11/2020-21_mbbpoll.aspx

No all-conference representation. As good as I expect Gueye to be, and even Policelli, you can't really argue for them over who did get selected.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on November 11, 2020, 03:08:06 pm
Preseason poll is out. We're picked to finish fifth behind Vermont, UMBC, UNH and Albany. https://americaeast.com/news/2020/11/11/2020-21_mbbpoll.aspx

No all-conference representation. As good as I expect Gueye to be, and even Policelli, you can't really argue for them over who did get selected.

New team, very little credibility, as to be expected.  Breath of fresh air, with new guys not having bullseyes on their back.  We'll see what happens this season.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 11, 2020, 03:11:08 pm
teams may have to adjust against us.  they got used to letting us miss shots and losing by a few, when it counts in the AE tournament.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on November 12, 2020, 11:04:08 pm
The Ivy League canceled its winter season. Are we really gonna do this?
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: SaltySeawolf on November 13, 2020, 12:08:28 am
The Ivy League canceled its winter season. Are we really gonna do this?

We may not end up playing a season with numbers spiking right now, but it won't be due to the Ivy League.  I think there is a bit of Ivy fatigue with them making these decisions.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Hammertime on November 13, 2020, 05:47:48 am
The Ivy League canceled its winter season. Are we really gonna do this?

Don't count on any winter sports this year in either college or high school. The emperor has spoken, again, and again, and again!!
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on November 13, 2020, 09:13:59 am
The Ivy League canceled its winter season. Are we really gonna do this?

We may not end up playing a season with numbers spiking right now, but it won't be due to the Ivy League.  I think there is a bit of Ivy fatigue with them making these decisions.

I agree with you. They're always going to err on the side of caution – kind of a holier-than-thou vibe coming from them. I just wonder with cases popping up seemingly everywhere and the COVID numbers talk resurfacing with the election behind us if universities will say it isn't worth the trouble.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 13, 2020, 12:50:55 pm
The Ivy League canceled its winter season. Are we really gonna do this?

We may not end up playing a season with numbers spiking right now, but it won't be due to the Ivy League.  I think there is a bit of Ivy fatigue with them making these decisions.

I agree with you. They're always going to err on the side of caution – kind of a holier-than-thou vibe coming from them. I just wonder with cases popping up seemingly everywhere and the COVID numbers talk resurfacing with the election behind us if universities will say it isn't worth the trouble.

It isn't. This winter is going to be terrible and I wouldn't expect any winter or spring sports. We'll lose a whole athletic year to Covid. So no spring football either. Even the FBS is going to be hard pressed to finish their season. Like half the games this weekend have been cancelled/postponed (not really, but it feels like it).
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: OldSeawolf on November 13, 2020, 12:59:46 pm
The Ivy League canceled its winter season. Are we really gonna do this?

We may not end up playing a season with numbers spiking right now, but it won't be due to the Ivy League.  I think there is a bit of Ivy fatigue with them making these decisions.

I agree with you. They're always going to err on the side of caution – kind of a holier-than-thou vibe coming from them. I just wonder with cases popping up seemingly everywhere and the COVID numbers talk resurfacing with the election behind us if universities will say it isn't worth the trouble.

It isn't. This winter is going to be terrible and I wouldn't expect any winter or spring sports. We'll lose a whole athletic year to Covid. So no spring football either. Even the FBS is going to be hard pressed to finish their season. Like half the games this weekend have been cancelled/postponed (not really, but it feels like it).

I tend to agree, and that's why I just haven't gotten excited about upcoming season.  We're definitely on the bubble here.   Feel bad for these student-athletes.  Feel bad for everyone actually.
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 13, 2020, 02:20:23 pm
it saves us disappointment though, doesnt it?  :-\
Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Wolffan on November 14, 2020, 03:07:49 pm
The Ivy League canceled its winter season. Are we really gonna do this?

We may not end up playing a season with numbers spiking right now, but it won't be due to the Ivy League.  I think there is a bit of Ivy fatigue with them making these decisions.

I agree with you. They're always going to err on the side of caution – kind of a holier-than-thou vibe coming from them. I just wonder with cases popping up seemingly everywhere and the COVID numbers talk resurfacing with the election behind us if universities will say it isn't worth the trouble.

It isn't. This winter is going to be terrible and I wouldn't expect any winter or spring sports. We'll lose a whole athletic year to Covid. So no spring football either. Even the FBS is going to be hard pressed to finish their season. Like half the games this weekend have been cancelled/postponed (not really, but it feels like it).

I tend to agree, and that's why I just haven't gotten excited about upcoming season.  We're definitely on the bubble here.   Feel bad for these student-athletes.  Feel bad for everyone actually.
Feel bad for the student athletes in the Ivy League.

Rather than thinking the Ivy League is erring on the safe side I think they are erring on the non-science side. I don't believe the Ivy League Presidents think  that prudently playing interscholastic sports  leads to an increase in student (or any) deaths due to Covid.  Either directly or indirectly. 

Of course I also thought that the science was unclear as to whether college-aged students on campus have a higher rate of Covid than College-aged students living off campus or College -age kids not enrolled in college at all. Yet most Ivies shut down their campuses to kids (at least partially if not totally). And the notion that kids on campus are more likely to spread Covid to vulnerable folks seems similarly non-scientific.   

We may be looking at gestures when it comes to Ivy-League sports - - rather than science-based decisions. That may apply to more than the Ivy League.
Title: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: Checkmate on November 15, 2020, 11:29:35 pm
This is something that I thought we would strongly consider – zero non-con games. UVM just went that route pretty much. https://uvmathletics.com/news/2020/11/15/general-vermont-athletics-announces-delay-in-return-to-play-until-december-18.aspx


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Title: Re: Looking ahead to 2020-21
Post by: sbugold on November 17, 2020, 08:51:11 am
Uh!!  Oh!!  Looks like Marist is about to cancel its game with the Seawolves on 11/25 due to COVID.  Probably will cancel the Albany game, as well.  Hope this is just an outlier, rather than an indication of what's to come this season.

I wonder if SH can find a replacement for the Seawolves OOC opener on 11/25--maybe even at home!