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Athletics => SBU Football => Topic started by: Chairman of the Board on November 20, 2019, 09:58:56 am
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That about sums it up.
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I'd happy lose this one if it meant coach P finally got canned, but the likelihood of that is low. If nothing else hopefully we can get some satisfaction out of maybe keeping Albany out of the playoffs. I'll also be able to cancel the abomination that is my FloSports subscription after Saturday's game, so there's another benefit.
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The difference between 5-7 and 6-6 really shouldn’t determine Chuck’s fate. Either way, this season was a colossal failure coming off 2017 and 2018.
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I wonder what happens if Albany wins big and it’s apparent that the effort wasn’t there. It’s not fun to play football when there’s nothing to play for.
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I wonder what happens if Albany wins big and it’s apparent that the effort wasn’t there. It’s not fun to play football when there’s nothing to play for.
I dont see UA winning big. I do see UA winning. Fields have been playing like real crap as of late. A total different QB from the first half of the season. Is he hurt? Are all his receivers hurt, dont know. But what we do know is SB looks lost as a team with no clear leadership on and off the stripes!!!!!
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The difference between 5-7 and 6-6 really shouldn’t determine Chuck’s fate. Either way, this season was a colossal failure coming off 2017 and 2018.
If Shawn Heilbron has any aspirations for joining the FBS, and he said he does then a 5-7 team should be something coach P needs to fear. In the FCS is really doesn't matter. Most schools cant afford to just pay out some ridiculous HC contract early because his team record is subpar. But if SH really has an eye on the big leagues or some G5 conference then he should be looking for a new coaching staff to help argue that case!!
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If anyone on this forum believes that Coach P will not have his team ready to play this Saturday you are very naive because if he sensed that during this weeks practice that anyone was going to not give 100% they will not be on the field this Saturday.
What I could see however is to see many players who Coach P has in his 2020 plans get a shot
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This is a rivalry game and we have the opportunity to potentially keep Albany out of the playoffs with a win. Plus it's senior day. Our guys will be fired up and motivated to play well. I do not expect an Albany blowout victory at all.
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why not put Jack C in? Coach P said it was a fairly close contest between the two of them. He's only played in half the games
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I was up at SBU tonight to watch a HS Playoff Game and ran into some of the SBU Players and Saturday is being played as their playoff game with the Golden Apple on the line they want nothing more than to beat Albany
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I was up at SBU tonight to watch a HS Playoff Game and ran into some of the SBU Players and Saturday is being played as their playoff game with the Golden Apple on the line they want nothing more than to beat Albany
Good to hear. It is a rivalry, so that makes sense. And you’re right - it would good to see 2020 players get some plays.
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I’ll chime in with my naive opinion. First, I’ve only watched pieces of games this year. Second, it is rare to find quality QB’s down at the FCS level (guys like Wentz and Flacco are exceptions to the rule). Imo, we finally landed a QB who is a threat with his legs and his arm; this kid can play. I have no contempt for Coach P, but he’s been way to conservative over the years with his play calling, and his time mgmt has been subpar, imo. Don’t feel he’s the right match coaching-wise for the kid behind center. Agree with others; time for a change at the top. All despite a decent overall record, and a couple of playoff wins. Time to get to that next level.
P.S. Time to be spoilers on Saturday
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Fields may have been playing like crap most recently but what is a QB to do when he literally has no consistent help in the run game I don’t know who came up with the idea let’s take White and make him a running back but he is by far no running back and they celebrate when he run over 100 yards on very mediocre teams that is what I find appalling we needed a strong run game this season and we did not have it I hope next year bring a better season and better coaching decisions Sbu has talent use it!
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Chuck, you suck.
First drive play calls:
Run up the middle
False start
Run up the middle
Run up the middle
Punt
Goddamnit.
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14-0. Albany has 148 yards total offense in the first 8 1/2 minutes. Nothing like showin’ up.
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My, this is embarrassing. Off to the Wagner basketball game.
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21-0 ha
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21-0. Game isn’t over but it looks like this team has quit.
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HAHAHA, I can't believe this s**t. We're actually getting run out of the building by goddamn Albany on senior day.
I'd be over the moon right now if this actually led to Coach P getting canned, but no, we've got him through 2022 guys. A+ job Shawn, you really got your guy. >:( >:(
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Let the Freshmen play!!!!
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well. We got a half to go, but wondering if Coach P would finally decide on his own that he is no longer the coach to take this program to the next level and resign. I would be surprised if we did not see some of the players head to the Transfer Portal quicker than our commuter students head out of campus on a weekend
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If SHawn DOESN’T Fire Chuck, i will seriously be questioning his leadership. This is the easiest decision to make.
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Campi.. I thought coach P had his troops all fired up for this game. P is a JV coach at best.
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Again White is not a running back!!!!!!
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What a shame. Team doesn’t believe and didn’t show up. That falls squarely on the coaches.
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That was a beautiful pass from Fields....
There's some real talent in this program. There really is, but the coaching staff has no clue how to utilize it. No good reason for us to be 5-6 and get down 0-24 in a rivalry game.
Coach P has gotta go. It has been apparent for years now.
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They coming ALIVE!!!!
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Might be a game now. 24-14.
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Falling into a 24 point hole at home before the team wakes up is atrocious. it will be an uphill battle but hopefully we can pull off some magic and end the season on a high note.
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This is the kind of bulls**t I hate from Coach P. You have the ball, 44 seconds, and all three timeouts. You're out of playoff contention and down by ten, STOP PLAYING SO CONSERVATIVE. Move the ball downfield and go for more points. He's still just handing off the ball. We have nothing left to play for but this game, GET AGGRESSIVE.
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I WAS ALWAYS TOLD BALL SECURITY IS JOB SECURITY WELL NOT AT SBU THEY JUST KEEP REWARDING THE BALL NO MATTER THE FUMBLE THESE COACHES SUCK!!!
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Ah ****, this is what you never want to see. Fields goes down hard on that last play on the sack...
I'd hate to see anyone get hurt in a game like this.
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STOP THE FAVORITES AND ROTATE THE BACKS !!!!!!!! THIS IS RIDICULOUS
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Yo got a 3 star running back sitting on the sideline almost all season and you won’t even rotate him in the line up wtf
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Lol. Albany’s gonna blow this game. What a comeback!
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Yo got a 3 star running back sitting on the sideline almost all season and you won’t even rotate him in the line up wtf
While I seriously question why he hasn't seen the field ALL YEAR (yeah, that's dumb as hell, especially when one of our backs was a converted DB), it makes no sense to put him in here now in a meaningless game. Maybe Coach P thought he could save him for the post-season and still have him retain his redshirt.
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I think one of the best players today thats helped OUR team is the UA punter! Just poor but he's helped us a lot especially on his last slow to the ball punt! Hope TT continues to put pressure on him and block some more
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Undisciplined stupid penalty on 3rd and 14. Its been a common theme all year with our defense. That’s brutal.
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Can’t dig a 24 point hole and expect to win. Period.
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Well, that's it. Our guys battled back to make it a game for a while, but that first quarter alone combined with the 5-7 record is more than enough of a reason to let Priore go. He's not the guy to get this program to where it needs to get to.
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I listened to the local radio broadcasts for the Vilanova game, Richmond and Delaware. Their pre game analysis of SBU is not many offensive plays probably the least in the conference but they run it over and over again
That was from all 3 programs that had us figured out , Somehow we beat Villinova . It doesnt take a genius to know other defensive co ordinators has us figured out with our 1960s Green Bay offense . Even the commentators today gave us credit for being able to score over 14 points . You can have all the talent you want but when continually run between the tackles most of the time you lose. I will stay away from this program it is not good football
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Yo got a 3 star running back sitting on the sideline almost all season and you won’t even rotate him in the line up wtf
While I seriously question why he hasn't seen the field ALL YEAR (yeah, that's dumb as hell, especially when one of our backs was a converted DB), it makes no sense to put him in here now in a meaningless game. Maybe Coach P thought he could save him for the post-season and still have him retain his redshirt.
I thought an athlete can play up to 4 games in any given year and not burn his redshirt??
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I WAS ALWAYS TOLD BALL SECURITY IS JOB SECURITY WELL NOT AT SBU THEY JUST KEEP REWARDING THE BALL NO MATTER THE FUMBLE THESE COACHES SUCK!!!
Welcome to the family of misery. I have been living with it for over 10 years now and It is getting old for me. If SB wants to continue playing politics with their HC then I'm out as a donor and season ticket holder, and it's looking like my gang of tailgaters are all feeling the same pain. Next season is looking like a ghost town at LaValle stadium. All you are going to see are the families of the players there. When SB finally wakes up stops playing politics with coach P, only then will I be a supporter. I had enough!!!!!
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I listened to the local radio broadcasts for the Vilanova game, Richmond and Delaware. Their pre game analysis of SBU is not many offensive plays probably the least in the conference but they run it over and over again
That was from all 3 programs that had us figured out , Somehow we beat Villinova . It doesnt take a genius to know other defensive co ordinators has us figured out with our 1960s Green Bay offense . Even the commentators today gave us credit for being able to score over 14 points . You can have all the talent you want but when continually run between the tackles most of the time you lose. I will stay away from this program it is not good football
Fields is an ideal QB for the RPO. Easy to run the basics and easy to build on play by play until it becomes a complex offense. Great flexibility. And its downside is less pronounced at the college level.
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Throw the entire coaching staff away except for the DC
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Throw the entire coaching staff away except for the DC
The defense has been giving up monster yards this year to the likes I have never seen before, ever. 400, 500 yards a game. 400 to UA, and the time of possession is brutal. SB defense was on the field more than ever this year. The entire coaching staff, top to bottom needs to go!!
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Throw the entire coaching staff away except for the DC
The defense has been giving up monster yards this year to the likes I have never seen before, ever. 400, 500 yards a game. 400 to UA, and the time of possession is brutal. SB defense was on the field more than ever this year. The entire coaching staff, top to bottom needs to go!!
They played well after that brutal first quarter, though. Two turnovers made it a two score game in the second quarter.
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Chuck, you suck.
First drive play calls:
Run up the middle
False start
Run up the middle
Run up the middle
Punt
Goddamnit.
I attended my first game over 10 years ago with my wife. Priore had been coach for a few years and it was against Albany. After what seemed like endless run-up-the-middle plays she turned to me and said "I hate those plays. They're so boring." Interesting how little has changed over all that time.
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Throw the entire coaching staff away except for the DC
The defense has been giving up monster yards this year to the likes I have never seen before, ever. 400, 500 yards a game. 400 to UA, and the time of possession is brutal. SB defense was on the field more than ever this year. The entire coaching staff, top to bottom needs to go!!
They played well after that brutal first quarter, though. Two turnovers made it a two score game in the second quarter.
I am aware of that. After the D line lost Kamara, all hell broke loose. Teams were able to rip long yardage running up the gut, moving the chains, gaining first downs. The CB's were being exploited and gave up big yards with the passing plays.
After SB screwed up and didn't make Lyle Humphrey their HC, the D hasn't been the same.
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White was recruited and came in as a RB. He won the hansen award because he was a running back. He is a senior capt so of course he is gonna play on senior day. I have always questioned why they moved him to LB and then back to RB. Shouldve left him at RB. In any case he is not the problem
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Lyle left because he was friends with Dave Cohen who was the DL Coach at Wake Forest and knew by going there would eventually lead him to a HC job in the FBS and staying at SBU would have taken much longer to get to that point
I don’t think any HC changes will take place until a new school president is picked and the job just got posted so it will be a while
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White is not a runningback anyone who knows football can clearly see it his vision is not good he is stiff no burst no cuts he runs up and not low doesn’t lower the shoulder for contact he runs like a DB and the decision to convert him to RB this season was a terrible one when he was a freshmen his first 6 games he only accumulated maybe 260 yards before he got hurt should I go on?? He is a great kid just night a runningback
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And you are absolutely right White isn’t the problem the problem is the coach who decided to convert him to RB bad coaching decisions
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Five FCS coaches have already gotten canned.
Chuck better be number six.
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Throw the entire coaching staff away except for the DC
The defense has been giving up monster yards this year to the likes I have never seen before, ever. 400, 500 yards a game. 400 to UA, and the time of possession is brutal. SB defense was on the field more than ever this year. The entire coaching staff, top to bottom needs to go!!
I think a lot of that can be attributed to how long they were on the damn field!! When your offense is going three and out every possession, your defense will be on the field a lot. Eventually they'll get worn down.
Speaking of Kamara, what in the world actually wound up happening to him? Nobody got ANY word on his injury and apparently whatever it was caused him to miss the last two months of the season. Maybe an additional game or two goes our way if he plays.
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And why was the offense 123 out every damn time we turned around????? The truth hurts !!
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Kamara’s timetable was originally 2-3 weeks (he got hurt before JMU) but he ended up getting season-ending surgery 3 weeks ago. Got to think this puts his NFL Draft stock in jeopardy and if the medical redshirt would be best for him.
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Five FCS coaches have already gotten canned.
Chuck better be number six.
We could only hope for that, but it wont happen. Chuck is stuck in a nice, beautiful, cushy 3 year contract. This team can go 0-11 next year and he will be back..
I really dont think SB can take another financial hit by letting little Chucky go, considering the big hit they took when they had to buy out their old AD, Fiore, because of that sexual allegation thing. I'd think the big bosses up in Albany would start prying in on SB business if that would happen. Food for thought, but what do I know, Right?!
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“I've done a poor job,” he said, according to 24/7 Sports. “The buck stops with me.” Wanna take a guess who said this and who DIDN'T? and who no doubt will be gone fairly soon?
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Priore has proven he can be successful at a lower level. A good outcome would be him taking a D2 or D3 position without exercising the last two years of his contract at SB. Not likely, but would be a win/win.
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“I've done a poor job,” he said, according to 24/7 Sports. “The buck stops with me.” Wanna take a guess who said this and who DIDN'T? and who no doubt will be gone fairly soon?
He absolutely did do a poor job. Admittingly or not. The SB Politics got in the way with giving him a long term contract renewal. That's was BS. We all knew the little Napeloan was not the man for the job to win in the CAA and take this program to the next level like SH alluded to when he first got here.
Coach P can come straight out and tell the world he should not be SB HC, they still wont let him go. Unless the little guy agrees to take a lesser buyout, which I doubt will ever happen!
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Just buy him out. It’s only taxpayer money anyways
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Coach P's buyout for the three years would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a million dollars. $900,000-$1.3M is my guess for the remainder of his contract.
FSU meanwhile just bought out Willie Taggart for $18 million dollars in his second season. Just goes to show you how to contrast the two programs and levels. Supposedly there was even a booster who was willing to pay for the whole thing :D
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Any self-respecting program would cut face immediately. The main roadblock we have is New York State being notoriously awful with funding. SUNY is probably the worst state education system and it’s a shame that a school as good as Stony Brook has to suffer under its oppressive limitations. I long for the day when we break free of their chains. We’ve been economically screwed over by the state for far too long.
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Any self-respecting program would cut face immediately. The main roadblock we have is New York State being notoriously awful with funding. SUNY is probably the worst state education system and it’s a shame that a school as good as Stony Brook has to suffer under its oppressive limitations. I long for the day when we break free of their chains. We’ve been economically screwed over by the state for far too long.
Spoken list a true student -:) Back in the day when I was a student, I used to be the same way, so I'm not being critical here.............
SUNY, despite its financial crunch, is still an outstanding system overall. Tell me where you get an education from a quality school at this price anywhere else in the country. To me, that is the bottom line.
Athletically, we've come a helluva long way since my days at SBU. We all want more; that's human nature. Although I firmly believe a coaching change is warranted, there is no way that SBU eats the kind of money that VA_Seawolf mentions above. Not a chance. Additionally, there is no way SH would fire him, since he's responsible for giving him the extension in the first place. I totally understand all the venting about the coach on this board, but his removal ain't gonna happen until his current contract expires.
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College athletics (including football) are only a means to an end, meaning a better student experience and ultimately, a better overall academic experience. Which of us wouldn't prefer to have a degree from Johns Hopkins or MIT, even though they have basically no athletics tradition. Although SB definitely needs a new HC, the $1 million buyout (assuming that's correct) is better spent on academics.
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I think for a program with the aspirations of Stony Brook, a new coach will be necessary. I think Priore has demonstrated his ceiling here. How many FCS programs will boast an indoor facility the likes of what we will have soon? I think our ceiling is higher- our players are definitely talented but my bigger problem is making sure we get the most out of them. I think there are enough wealthy boosters that they could cover the buy-out.
I would 100% be on board with showing him the door but we need to have the right replacement. What I am concerned about is finding the right coach for New York football- Priore (and his staff) have good connections in LI and have found really good talent locally in Long Island which is very important. We can't replace him with a coach from the south or something as it won't be easy dragging kids from Florida or Texas to Stony Brook.
Anyway, congrats to Albany on a very good season. Hoping they do well in the playoffs.
Back to basketball...
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Let's assume SB doesn't have or want to spend the money to hire a new coach. If you were Priore, what would you do to make this Football Program one that would contend for the CAA title/make the FCS playoffs every year?
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I watched the game this past Saturday on TV . The announcers could not believe we were down 21` nothing and still trying to run the ball up the middle . Priore would need to open the offense and pass especially with Fields at QB . But he wont do that I bet on . He is stuck on running on all downs if needed which means another several seasons of losing .
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Any self-respecting program would cut face immediately. The main roadblock we have is New York State being notoriously awful with funding. SUNY is probably the worst state education system and it’s a shame that a school as good as Stony Brook has to suffer under its oppressive limitations. I long for the day when we break free of their chains. We’ve been economically screwed over by the state for far too long.
Spoken list a true student -:) Back in the day when I was a student, I used to be the same way, so I'm not being critical here.............
SUNY, despite its financial crunch, is still an outstanding system overall. Tell me where you get an education from a quality school at this price anywhere else in the country. To me, that is the bottom line.
Athletically, we've come a helluva long way since my days at SBU. We all want more; that's human nature. Although I firmly believe a coaching change is warranted, there is no way that SBU eats the kind of money that VA_Seawolf mentions above. Not a chance. Additionally, there is no way SH would fire him, since he's responsible for giving him the extension in the first place. I totally understand all the venting about the coach on this board, but his removal ain't gonna happen until his current contract expires.
100% agree. Suck it up fans. We are in for a long ride with this coaching staff.
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Let's assume SB doesn't have or want to spend the money to hire a new coach. If you were Priore, what would you do to make this Football Program one that would contend for the CAA title/make the FCS playoffs every year?
Run up the gut???? Thats all. This is all coach P has to offer. Same old story, year in and year out!!
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Ok, I get it, but Heilbrun is his boss. If he says "we need to talk about how to run a more creative and modern offense and other ways to improve the team" don't you think Priore would be responsive? You're more knowledgeable about the situation than I am, so this is a real question, not a snarky comment framed as question.
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Ok, I get it, but Heilbrun is his boss. If he says "we need to talk about how to run a more creative and modern offense and other ways to improve the team" don't you think Priore would be responsive? You're more knowledgeable about the situation than I am, so this is a real question, not a snarky comment framed as question.
Kind of like Cashman asking Girardi to use more Analytics.......one of the reasons Joe was fired, since he was somewhat resistant to change.
Sure, good idea, but SH may be asking something of him, that he's not capable of delivering on. Again, I didn't watch all of the games this year, but to all of us, Fields (who I liken to a Lamar Jackson type) can do it with his legs and arm, and the offense actually run by CP didn't utilize Fields' talent to the maximum at all; not even close. I think CP is frozen in the Larry Csonka, ground-and-pound era (sorry if I'm showing my age here).
Does anyone know if SH reads this board?
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Sure, Coach P theoretically could open up the offense and utilize the talent he's got, but we all know he's not going to do that. As recently as 2016 we were still lining up under center for every play while pretty much everyone else stopped doing that ages ago. Not exactly sure how Felus/Bache handle their coordinator duties, but perhaps bringing in a dedicated OC who has experience with the read-option or air raid system would do the trick. I doubt Coach P would hand over those playcalling duties though.
Buying him out might be steep this year, but after next season assuming it ends up just like this one (little reason to think it'll be much better) the buyout figure drops considerably and it'll be a whole lot easier to justify.
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If our AD starts seeing empty seats which has happened all ready a buyout becomes financially reasonable.
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If our AD starts seeing empty seats which has happened all ready a buyout becomes financially reasonable.
That only applies to private schools. SB is a small school state program. Not going to happen!!