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Athletics => Conference and Athletics => Topic started by: VA_Seawolf on June 22, 2019, 04:42:56 pm
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https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1142449363941253122?s=21
https://www.nhregister.com/uconn/article/Is-UConn-heading-back-to-the-Big-East-14030270.php
This could be it guys. This could be the domino that starts it all into motion for SBU to move up in conferences. Either to FBS or a better basketball conference at worst.
There's no shortage of options for the AAC at this point as they will not allow UConn to keep their football in The American, so the most likely option is they either backfill with a football only member (Army, BYU, or Boise State), or barring that, they take an an all-sports backfill which could be anybody. Buffalo, ODU, UAB, Western Kentucky, Colorado State... they truly have endless options. What this ultimately means for SBU is that there will be shuffling all over that will open up a spot or two for SBU somewhere. That's what we're banking on. There's also a non-zero chance this doesn't impact us much at all. In any case, I hope Shawn has his phone nearby all weekend, because this could get interesting.
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This is a smart move from UConn. They are a bball school and finally recognized it. Bball program was going down trying to chase football money. Good for them. Hopefully they will be relevant again.
I don’t think it will have a trickledown effect. Big East will be happy with 11 teams, 20 game schedule. AAC will find a much better football school that will contribute unlike UConn football.
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If UConn is smart they'd pull out all stops to follow the Villanova model (Big East and CAA for football). Not saying it is possible or that the **** UConn football fans - the few that there are - would love it.
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This is a smart move from UConn. They are a bball school and finally recognized it. Bball program was going down trying to chase football money. Good for them. Hopefully they will be relevant again.
I don’t think it will have a trickledown effect. Big East will be happy with 11 teams, 20 game schedule. AAC will find a much better football school that will contribute unlike UConn football.
There's always a trickle down effect with realignment though. Unless they grab a current independent as a football only member(Army, BYU, or UMass) there are going to be trickle down effects. The front runners I'm seeing mentioned most right now are:
Buffalo (MAC)
Old Dominion (CUSA)
UAB (CUSA)
Southern Miss (CUSA)
Each of these are being mentioned as all-sports additions and don't make sense otherwise. What that would do is open up a spot for a school in the conference that got raided as none of these conferences could keep their conference championship game in football without backfilling under current rules. If it's a CUSA school that goes to the American, it's basically a done deal that JMU would be the backfill addition. In that case JMU is out of CAA football and the conference is wide open once again.
If Buffalo gets the spot, there's speculation all over that we could be the school chosen to replace them in the MAC. Would the MAC do that? Who knows. I doubt they go for Umass after last time. I speculate that Marshall would leave CUSA for the MAC if invited, but that's just my opinion. Illinois State would also get a look. In any case, I expect Shawn's phone to be ringing profusely over the coming days and weeks as we're certainly on the radar of several of these conferences.
Another interesting twist in all of this is what if Uconn isn't the only school the Big East adds? St. Louis and/or Dayton have been rumored to the Big East for a while. VCU could go to the AAC too. If they all leave the A10, it's not out of the question that we get a look to plug a hole there (Vermont, Albany, and others would get looks too). That wouldn't get us to FBS, but it would certainly get us out of the AE which would be a welcome change. This conference gets no respect.
No matter how this breaks, expect ALOT of conference movement being announced over the coming weeks as schools sort this stuff out. I'd be frankly shocked if this doesn't impact SBU in some way shape or form.
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what does crazy eddie think about all this?
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what does crazy eddie think about all this?
this has no impact for Stony Brook. That's the way I see it. We are too low in the ladder to even feel any domino effect from this move.
Nonetheless, I have followed UConn MBB/WBB for a while now (wife is UConn grad) so I'm very excited to see UConn back in the Big East
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what does crazy eddie think about all this?
this has no impact for Stony Brook. That's the way I see it. We are too low in the ladder to even feel any domino effect from this move.
Nonetheless, I have followed UConn MBB/WBB for a while now (wife is UConn grad) so I'm very excited to see UConn back in the Big East
That's fundamentally not true. Depending on how the dominoes fall, at the bare minimum it means JMU could be gone to FBS. That would certainly open up the CAA for SBU to potentially win as we finished 2nd in 2017 and 3rd last year. This year will be very much a rebuilding year for us, but who is to say we can't win the CAA in 2020 if JMU is gone? And that's the LEAST of what could happen.
If Buffalo leaves the MAC to join the AAC, the MAC will look to replace them. Who do you think they're going to look at? We've had talks with the MAC in the past. Trust me guys, this move IS going to impact SBU one way or another. I haven't even discussed the non-football side to this yet. If the Big East takes St. Louis to go with UConn, and/or the AAC takes VCU, you don't think the A10 would consider backfilling those losses?
What Uconn did yesterday definitely opens the door for us to make a move somewhere. We just need to see how the conference chooses to respond to the Uconn departure first. Very interesting times are ahead of us gentlemen.
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UConn would most likely go independent in football following UMass example. Bad example should I say? May be UConn and UMass downgrade to FCS and join CAA... lol
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what does crazy eddie think about all this?
this has no impact for Stony Brook. That's the way I see it. We are too low in the ladder to even feel any domino effect from this move.
Nonetheless, I have followed UConn MBB/WBB for a while now (wife is UConn grad) so I'm very excited to see UConn back in the Big East
That's fundamentally not true. Depending on how the dominoes fall, at the bare minimum it means JMU could be gone to FBS. That would certainly open up the CAA for SBU to potentially win as we finished 2nd in 2017 and 3rd last year. This year will be very much a rebuilding year for us, but who is to say we can't win the CAA in 2020 if JMU is gone? And that's the LEAST of what could happen.
If Buffalo leaves the MAC to join the AAC, the MAC will look to replace them. Who do you think they're going to look at? We've had talks with the MAC in the past. Trust me guys, this move IS going to impact SBU one way or another. I haven't even discussed the non-football side to this yet. If the Big East takes St. Louis to go with UConn, and/or the AAC takes VCU, you don't think the A10 would consider backfilling those losses?
What Uconn did yesterday definitely opens the door for us to make a move somewhere. We just need to see how the conference chooses to respond to the Uconn departure first. Very interesting times are ahead of us gentlemen.
Hmmm. I don't see anything happening for SBU to be honest. I don't see any FBS conference calling SBU to make the jump. Also, SBU committing to a more expensive FBS football (i.e: MAC) with marginal returns doesn't make much sense to me right now, at least until we can draw 12-15k fans at LaValle. Any move right now would be a mistake in my opinion.
Also, I don't think the Big East will push to add a 12 member. It doesn't have to. It can stay at 11 and play a double RR -20 games. 20 games is the trend at the major conferences. UConn is exactly what they need to please the FOX partners and guarantee a large crowd at MSG every March.
Why would the AAC add Buffalo? If anything I'm thinking that the AAC will look to the South to replace UConn. Or perhaps they may end up realizing no one out there adds value to the conference and simply stay at 11. I feel bad for Temple stuck in an island
In regards to the MAC: They should probably negotiate with UMass/UConn and bring them as football-only partners.
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My question is why the hell did Buffalo ever get an FBS invite in the first place? After moving up from D3 to I-AA, they went 21-45 with just one winning season. Basketball was also middling. By merit, they never deserved their place in the MAC.
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Buffalo had nine losing seasons after joining FBS before turning it around. Coupled with the failure of UMass football, a very possible outcome of SBU going FBS can be many losing seasons. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
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Buffalo had nine losing seasons after joining FBS before turning it around. Coupled with the failure of UMass football, a very possible outcome of SBU going FBS can be many losing seasons. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
That's exactly right. I want no part of SBU in a crappy FBS conference with losing seasons year after year. For what? So we can say we scheduled a Buy game with Michigan for $1 Million and get blown out?
There is no point in going FBS right now. We need to create a long-term winning culture in the CAA, grow our cohesive fan base (which may take years, or may never happen in LI), and then if the opportunity is there we can take it.
Right now, there is little difference between low-tier FBS and high-level FCS other than 20 additional scholarships. I'm happy with the CAA and playing northeastern flagship public universities.
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im not really on either side of the fence of the whole FBS/FCS argument.
but i will say- before we make any football-related moves, we should try to get more than a thousand kids to stay on campus for a weekend*.
*and then actually contribute to the atmosphere of the university
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Buffalo had nine losing seasons after joining FBS before turning it around. Coupled with the failure of UMass football, a very possible outcome of SBU going FBS can be many losing seasons. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
That's exactly right. I want no part of SBU in a crappy FBS conference with losing seasons year after year. For what? So we can say we scheduled a Buy game with Michigan for $1 Million and get blown out?
There is no point in going FBS right now. We need to create a long-term winning culture in the CAA, grow our cohesive fan base (which may take years, or may never happen in LI), and then if the opportunity is there we can take it.
Right now, there is little difference between low-tier FBS and high-level FCS other than 20 additional scholarships. I'm happy with the CAA and playing northeastern flagship public universities.
I totally understand your concerns for moving up to the FBS, if asked, however. If SB is asked by the MAC to make the leap now they have to oblige. This opportunity may never come around again for SB.
I still think all this talk is just that, TALK. SB is not going anywhere. I cant think of one reason why the MAC or any other lower major FBS conference would even consider SB to join their conference.
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Kids gotta stop going home every weekend to see their mommies and daddies. You guys are grown ass adults, GTFO here with this baby ****.
Also there should be a limit on how many people can commute to the school. Maybe even ban commuting altogether. Or just accept more kids from upstate. This problem should have been fixed by now, admin!
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exact same thing i proposed. between excelsior and the fact that it's harder to go home- we should give preference to upstate students, and especially those that will contribute to the community.
http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/
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im not really on either side of the fence of the whole FBS/FCS argument.
but i will say- before we make any football-related moves, we should try to get more than a thousand kids to stay on campus for a weekend*.
*and then actually contribute to the atmosphere of the university
This has been SB’s biggest problem since . . . forever.
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To provide a counter point to the anti-FBS sentiment, I will say that for a school like SBU, a state flagship with an enrollment of over 26,000 and AAU status, being in the FCS is the exception, not the norm. All of our peers are FBS, and most of them yet are in P5 conferences. Hell, the only reason we're not there is likely because we're so new (founded in 1957), and the fact that SUNY banned all athletic scholarships in the 70s effectively freezing the growth of SUNY athletic departments for a 20 year period. To address the point of Buffalo moving to FBS so soon, they moved up as fast as they could as soon as the ban was lifted. We basically did the same thing going in the 90's going from D3 to D1/D1-AA over about a six year period. We're one of only two public AAU members in the FCS. UC Davis is the other. Simply put, our profile is that of an FBS school and we will make it there soon. If Heilbron gets an invite from an FBS conference, he's got to take it. As mentioned those don't come often. There are still JMU fans kicking themselves for not taking the Sun Belt invite a few years back despite the success they've had since.
UB has struggled the way they have because they have geography working against them. At the end of the day, you still have to recruit kids to Buffalo New York. Even in the MAC that's tough. We shouldn't let their struggles scare us off from being where we need to be. Long Island with NYC being right there is much more desirable than friggin Buffalo. Our academics also help here. Despite all of SBUs struggles in building a sociable campus culture, we're still able to get talented kids to come play here. That says something.
UMass is a whole other animal. They rejected a full invite from the MAC in order to keep their basketball in the A10. We wouldn't make the same mistake. Besides, if you actually look at their games, they have a competitive program. They've gotten VERY close to pulling some huge upsets. It's not like their program is completely inept. Being in the Northeast doesn't mean the program will totally flop at the FBS level. In fact, this past year has been the best for Northeast football in a long time. Buffalo, Army, Syracuse, Temple... all of them had good seasons. It's not impossible to win up here. It's not like we're jumping straight to the Big Ten. I agree I would never want to move up in order to be a perennial 2-10 program, but that's not what SBU would be if we continue investing into athletics and making good hires. I know I give Coach P a hard time a lot, but based on what I've seen, I see no reason why this program couldn't be competitive if we played in the MAC and got the talent to go with it.
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My question is why the hell did Buffalo ever get an FBS invite in the first place? After moving up from D3 to I-AA, they went 21-45 with just one winning season. Basketball was also middling. By merit, they never deserved their place in the MAC.
UB was invited to the MAC in 1995 when the MAC wanted new markets. We were 3 years removed from D3 football so it came down to profile and the Buffalo market. Our prez then was all-in on returning to FBS, as we were playing at the highest level & beating up on Temple in the 1960's. We expanded our stadium on the cheap and hit the season ticket mark to seal it. We had meh AD's and coaches in over their heads until we brought in football minds with Warde Manuel and Turner Gill.
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I was reading some of the chatter on Twitter that besides basketball prestige of Big East and travel savings, another reason UConn not worrying too much about leaving AAC is that SNY will most likely give 1.5~2m to broadcast their home football games! It made me think... why are we, the Seawolves fb, stuck with bad CAA tv deals? I like CAA but hate the TV deals. I Know we won’t make money and it’s not about money. Is it possible to play in CAA but have our football broadcast independence? May be have our home games on SNY for free! SNY needs live sports for fall. Providing our home games for free would provide invaluable exposure.
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I was reading some of the chatter on Twitter that besides basketball prestige of Big East and travel savings, another reason UConn not worrying too much about leaving AAC is that SNY will most likely give 1.5~2m to broadcast their home football games! It made me think... why are we, the Seawolves fb, stuck with bad CAA tv deals? I like CAA but hate the TV deals. I Know we won’t make money and it’s not about money. Is it possible to play in CAA but have our football broadcast independence? May be have our home games on SNY for free! SNY needs live sports for fall. Providing our home games for free would provide invaluable exposure.
Doubtful. Instead, SNY will continue to show its usual re-runs of “classic” Mets games ad nauseam to fill up its broadcasting schedule.
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I was reading some of the chatter on Twitter that besides basketball prestige of Big East and travel savings, another reason UConn not worrying too much about leaving AAC is that SNY will most likely give 1.5~2m to broadcast their home football games! It made me think... why are we, the Seawolves fb, stuck with bad CAA tv deals? I like CAA but hate the TV deals. I Know we won’t make money and it’s not about money. Is it possible to play in CAA but have our football broadcast independence? May be have our home games on SNY for free! SNY needs live sports for fall. Providing our home games for free would provide invaluable exposure.
$2M a year just for Uconn football home games? I highly, highly doubt that. That's almost as much as all of CUSA gets for their TV rights, and Uconn football has been BAD. Highly doubt they pay that much.
I agree though that the CAA TV deal is complete trash. They should have just given the games to ESPN rather than screw the FB only members by taking the money and using it to buy basketball games onto CBSSN.