Seawolves Fans

Athletics => SBU Men's Basketball => Topic started by: Checkmate on January 10, 2019, 10:48:11 pm

Title: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Checkmate on January 10, 2019, 10:48:11 pm
NEW HAMPSHIRE
Record:
3-12 (1-1 America East)
Last 10: 1-9
Last Game: New Hampshire 68, UMass Lowell 64 on 1/9/19
Last Game with SBU: Stony Brook 72, New Hampshire 63 on 2/18/18; Iroegbu team-high 17; came back from 10 down in second half
Checkmate Unofficial Line: Stony Brook -14.5
Net Ranking: Stony Brook 138, New Hampshire 343
KenPom RPI: Stony Brook 147, New Hampshire 342
KenPom Prediction: Stony Brook 75, New Hampshire 57
Yeboah Point Watch: 1,075
Division I: Currently 7th. Next up: Dave Coley (2010-14) 1,222
All-time: Currently 19th. Next up: Dave Burda (1983-86) 1,100
Listen/Watch:
TV: http://bit.ly/MBBGm18Vid (ESPN+)
Stony Brook radio: http://bit.ly/WUSBSports_FM
Notables:
6-5/185 so G Josh Hopkins 12.2 ppg, .429 3-pt FG%
6-0/190 sr G Jordan Reed 10.6 ppg, 1.0 spg, .931 FT%, .400 3-pt FG%
6-7/195 fr F Jayden Martinez 8.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg
6-5/220 fr G Nick Guadarrama 8.0 ppg, 4.8 rpg
6-8/225 sr F David Watkins 7.3 ppg, 4.9 rpg

What do you get when a crummy team forges ahead having lost an all-time talent? You get this edition of the UNH Wildcats, who appear lost without Tanner Leissner as their anchor.

A couple 20-win seasons and postseason appearances probably bought Herrion some time at UNH, but before winning 59 games over three seasons with Leissner on the roster, he had "led" the Wildcats to nine straight losing seasons. They took a dip again last year, and now theyíre back to being totally irrelevant in the America East. But like Maine, it's a tough place to win Ėzero tradition, poor facilities, cold weather and fan indifference (note the 340 fans at the UMass Lowell game on Wednesday).

Don't just blame it on Herrion. They've been bad forever, going back to Phil Rowe before him, Gerry Friel in the 80s, and just about everyone in the program's history. All time, only one coach who's coached more than 20 games has a winning record, and that was Butch Cowell (119-59 from 1916-1928), for whom the FOOTBALL stadium had been named because he won doing that too (87-69-24 from 1915-1936). Otherwise, wow, an impressive run of futility. New Hampshire has just ELEVEN winning seasons since World War II.

I'll keep from piling on, although maybe it's too late.

Let's look at the positives. First, they come to the Fed just three days after their first Division I win of the year, a truthfully quite startling 68-64 triumph over Lowell, which ended an 11-game slide. They did it with major contributions from three freshmen Ė Martinez, Guadarrama and guard Marque Maltsby Ė and an emerging sophomore Ė Hopkins. A bright future! Well, it's a nice win for them to build off of. Except now they face the middle of the America East order in succession Ė at Stony Brook, home to Vermont, at Hartford, home to UMBC. Still, maybe Herrion has a corps of kids to work with going forward. The aforementioned newcomers have displaced guys like Elijah Jordan and John Ogwuche, who played significant minutes last year.

This is a perimeter oriented team though. Reed is far more comfortable hovering around the arc than taking it to the rack. Hopkins may lead the team in scoring but he isn't a cold-blooded killer who is going to consistently score off the bounce and at all levels. Watkins is a good-sized kid who's come on of late with increased minutes, stringing together four straight double-digit nights, including a 24-point, 11-rebound night against Dartmouth not long ago, but even leans on his jumper. They have very little inside and aren't drawing contact Ė note that they've made as many threes (141) as free throws (by contrast we are at 120 threes and 279 free throws). We just have to be careful that nobody heats up and beats us with a freak shooting night. It's hard to see it happening though. They just don't have the horses.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 10, 2019, 11:17:18 pm
Fun fact: according to RealTimeRPI (http://realtimerpi.com/college_Men_basketball_rpi_Full.html), New Hampshire is the worst team in all of division 1. That's right, #353 out of 353, worse than D1 newcomers North Alabama and Cal Baptist who just moved up this year. There's a reason this conference is in the toilet when it comes to overall strength. Us and Vermont carry this league, everyone else is bad, but UNH is real bad. Pretty sure our D2 game was better than this.

If there was ever a game all year we were going to win by 25+, this is it. We let Binghamton hang around for way too long last night. Can't have that on Saturday.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Seawolf97 on January 10, 2019, 11:19:52 pm
Superb  right upon UNH .  Looking forward to win 15 .
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 11, 2019, 07:00:38 am
Hate to sound like this one is in the bag, but maybe a good game to get some extended minutes for Christie and Long.

11 winning seasons since WWII?   Ouch.........
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Checkmate on January 11, 2019, 08:09:36 am
Hate to sound like this one is in the bag, but maybe a good game to get some extended minutes for Christie and Long.

11 winning seasons since WWII?   Ouch.........

Check out their year-by-year records. They are staggering. Itís not like they have hovered just under .500 each season and that skews the numbers. They have been horrible. https://unhwildcats.com/sports/2015/6/30/MBB_0630154725.aspx


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 11, 2019, 10:22:04 am
New Hampshire is what we call an RPI anchor. Hell, they're the definition of an RPI anchor. Literally the worst team in division 1. If how our backups played against Binghamton is any indication, we couldn't play any of our starting 5 at all and still win by 20.

Yes, I expect big minutes for Long, Moor, Christie, McKenzie and others. I'd also love to see guys like Foreman, Aubry, and Ceesay get significant minutes as I have yet to see any of them play this year, and if there was ever a game for it, it's this one.


We've talked about moving to a better conference before, but when you've got programs like UNH in your conference, you really have to think about what the hell you're doing when it comes to your athletic affiliation. Most of the AE at least puts forth some effort, UNH just doesn't seem to give a damn.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 11, 2019, 10:34:59 am
Hate to sound like this one is in the bag, but maybe a good game to get some extended minutes for Christie and Long.

11 winning seasons since WWII?   Ouch.........

Check out their year-by-year records. They are staggering. Itís not like they have hovered just under .500 each season and that skews the numbers. They have been horrible. https://unhwildcats.com/sports/2015/6/30/MBB_0630154725.aspx


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Crazy!  Talking about the Leissner era tipping the scales....
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 11, 2019, 10:38:15 am
Yes, I expect big minutes for Long, Moor, Christie, McKenzie and others. I'd also love to see guys like Foreman, Aubry, and Ceesay get significant minutes as I have yet to see any of them play this year, and if there was ever a game for it, it's this one.
I don't think Foreman is eligible to play until next year, given the NCAA transfer regs.  And I'm guessing that either Aubry or Cessay have been redshirted for the year - hardly either have logged any minutes this year.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: iBOsbu on January 11, 2019, 10:57:12 am
I totally forgot about Ceesay and Foreman.

Foreman will slot in effortlessly with his div 1 experience and further 1 year practice with current roster. But is he a ball handler?

Ceesay is a PG. Pretty tall too for that position for AE level, 6-4. Hope he is developing well.

We will be loaded next year if Yeboah stays.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 11, 2019, 11:03:49 am
When you guys talk about Yeboah leaving, you're talking about him leaving for a P5/Big East school?

Yes, I expect big minutes for Long, Moor, Christie, McKenzie and others. I'd also love to see guys like Foreman, Aubry, and Ceesay get significant minutes as I have yet to see any of them play this year, and if there was ever a game for it, it's this one.
I don't think Foreman is eligible to play until next year, given the NCAA transfer regs.  And I'm guessing that either Aubry or Cessay have been redshirted for the year - hardly either have logged any minutes this year.

I figured we had a couple guys redshirting, I just wasn't exactly sure who or if the rules were like football where you could play a few games even in the year you redshirted. Good stuff. I love having depth at every position.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: sbufan on January 11, 2019, 11:07:51 am
When you guys talk about Yeboah leaving, you're talking about him leaving for a P5/Big East school?

I think the concern is he will leave to play pro ball in Europe like Roland Nyama, but I haven't see any indication that he intends to leave early.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 11, 2019, 11:13:05 am
When you guys talk about Yeboah leaving, you're talking about him leaving for a P5/Big East school?

I think the concern is he will leave to play pro ball in Europe like Roland Nyama, but I haven't see any indication that he intends to leave early.
You have to remember, he's a Senior and 22.  Would love to see him stick around for another year, but if he has any professional basketball ambitions, I'd expect him to bolt after this season, while his stock is high.  Can't see him pulling a Cremo (UA -> Villanova) next year.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: iBOsbu on January 11, 2019, 11:18:40 am
When you guys talk about Yeboah leaving, you're talking about him leaving for a P5/Big East school?

Yes...like the puppy duo.. Cremo to Nova and Nichols to FSU. Puppies would have been neck to neck with us and Vermont if they had stayed. I think Yeboah is on his way to graduate early. And then there is the Nyama route. I hope he stays like Warney, takes us to the dance and becomes a SBU legend.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 11, 2019, 11:29:53 am
When you guys talk about Yeboah leaving, you're talking about him leaving for a P5/Big East school?

Yes...like the puppy duo.. Cremo to Nova and Nichols to FSU. Puppies would have been neck to neck with us and Vermont if they had stayed. I think Yeboah is on his way to graduate early. And then there is the Nyama route. I hope he stays like Warney, takes us to the dance and becomes a SBU legend.

So, I did a quick lookup:

Cremo is averaging 20 minutes per game for Nova, and is averaging 5.8 PPG; Nova at 12-4 is currently ranked # 26 nationally

Nichols is averaging 19 minutes per game for FSU, and is averaging 7.9 PPG; FSU is at 13-2 at ranked #13 nationally

Yeah, they're role players for big time programs, but I'd rather be The Man on a mid-major with a chance to take them to the dance.

That's just me.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: iBOsbu on January 11, 2019, 11:30:32 am
but I haven't see any indication that he intends to leave early.

Can't see him pulling a Cremo (UA -> Villanova) next year.

I hope you guys are right.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Checkmate on January 11, 2019, 11:31:40 am
I totally forgot about Ceesay and Foreman.

Foreman will slot in effortlessly with his div 1 experience and further 1 year practice with current roster. But is he a ball handler?

Ceesay is a PG. Pretty tall too for that position for AE level, 6-4. Hope he is developing well.

We will be loaded next year if Yeboah stays.

When they announced the Foreman signing, Boals cited his leadership, shot-making ability and experience. My read on him is that he's a 3 and D guy. I've read that he's a gritty defender, so he should fit right in.

Yeboah has a few options, and staying is one of them. I'm not in his head, but I'd imagine that playing overseas, for a high major school or even the G League would all be appealing options for him.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: ry1nik on January 11, 2019, 11:46:43 am
Hate to sound like this one is in the bag, but maybe a good game to get some extended minutes for Christie and Long.

11 winning seasons since WWII?   Ouch.........

Check out their year-by-year records. They are staggering. Itís not like they have hovered just under .500 each season and that skews the numbers. They have been horrible. https://unhwildcats.com/sports/2015/6/30/MBB_0630154725.aspx


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
They should be trying to dig up William Cowell from the grave.
Title: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Checkmate on January 12, 2019, 12:39:56 pm
Tonightís line is anywhere from 15 1/2 to 16 1/2 in favor of the Seawolves.

Iím curious if Hartford can go give UVM a game tonight.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 12, 2019, 03:43:52 pm
Hartford wonít win, but I still think they are a dangerous team this year. Lots of experience on that team, and theyíve won 5 of the last 6.

How bad is Albany this year? Down by 10 at the half at home vs Maine.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 12, 2019, 07:02:10 pm
Hartford will definitely be a handful for us no matter how good our team is. As for Albany, as bad as they are I still think they're always able to steal a game from us just because of the rivalry aspect. Never take Albany lightly.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 12, 2019, 07:33:38 pm
Is Chef in the doghouse?
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 12, 2019, 07:38:17 pm
Dear God what the Hell am I watching?? This is awful. Traveling, turnovers, ugly. New Hampshire is showing why they're the worst team in D1 with their awful play too which is why this is still a game, but wow.

Also, what happened to Jeff?? I tuned in late and haven't seen him on the floor at all. Instead we've got Yeboah playing Center??
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 12, 2019, 07:39:08 pm
Ugly game. Jeff had 2 quick fouls early on.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Green Baron on January 12, 2019, 07:56:46 pm
Glad to at least go into the second half with a 26-21, but this is yet another ugly start. I canít help but wonder if the team just underestimated UNH and Bing since theyíre so awful, but we canít just go lax on them because they suck. Itís clearly not working.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 12, 2019, 08:02:18 pm
Sometimes you play down to the level of your opponent. Hopefully Coach is lacing into them during the break,
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 12, 2019, 08:20:36 pm
Glad to see the team show up so far in the second half.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Green Baron on January 12, 2019, 08:40:34 pm
Weíre up by 23 now. What a great second half so far.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 12, 2019, 08:43:21 pm
We just might hit our season average for points!!
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: iBOsbu on January 12, 2019, 08:45:15 pm
Latimer already has a double-double.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Seawolf97 on January 12, 2019, 09:51:59 pm
This is the second team we played down to in the first half . Tremendous turn a round  in the second half .  18 point win is nice even if it is UNH .
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Checkmate on January 12, 2019, 10:13:37 pm
Never really any doubt. UNH just doesn't have the firepower to stay with us even on an off shooting night.

You just have to love the effort this team puts it on the glass and the defensive end. We overwhelmed UNH in that second half with hustle and in-your face defense.

Hopkins and Reed, UNH's two scorers, combined for FIVE points. Our guys really care about that side of the ball, and we have the athletes to switch on everything. UNH won some 50/50 balls in the first half, but not the second. Cornish, Latimer, Olaniyi and Garcia were after every loose ball.

That's two straight poor shooting nights for Akwasi. We have guys who can pick him up, but we're gonna need him in a couple weeks for UVM and down the stretch.

Ochefu looked like he was going to be a DNP-CD for a second straight game. He entered with two minutes left and immediately was whistled for a charge, and he had another turnover before it was over.

I like the kid Maultsby for UNH. He's the only player who made an impression whatsoever. He should play 35 minutes a night for them going forward.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 12, 2019, 10:54:50 pm
nice atmosphere tonight- 2817 attended. GO SB
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 13, 2019, 03:26:16 am
nice atmosphere tonight- 2817 attended. GO SB

Given that it was a Saturday night, in the middle of winter break, at a "commuter" school, against the worst team in division 1, I'd say 2800 is a fantastic turnout. It looked like a decent crowd on the stream too. I'm happy with that number.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: laxnation on January 13, 2019, 08:03:50 am
It was amazing how much better the team played, especially the start of the 2nd half without McKenzie on the floor with his plodding style of bringing up the ball.  This coming from someone who actually played the position.

I guess Coach didnít receive the memo that Christie is the second coming of Bill Walton by only giving Christie 1 minute of playing time and thatís even with our starting center in foul trouble.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: sbufan on January 13, 2019, 09:16:19 am
I guess Coach didnít receive the memo that Christie is the second coming of Bill Walton by only giving Christie 1 minute of playing time and thatís even with our starting center in foul trouble.

 ;D ;D ;D

I think chrisite not playing says more about UNH than it does about Christie. UNH plays small and everyone is willing to put up threes. Just not a great matchup for Christie who isn't ready to take advantage of his height on the offensive end. Instead we spent most of the game going small with Garcia at the 5. One really fun thing about this team is their depth and how they're able to competently play with a lot of different looks.
Title: Re: Game 18: vs. New Hampshire 1/12 7pm
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 13, 2019, 09:26:17 am
I guess Coach didnít receive the memo that Christie is the second coming of Bill Walton by only giving Christie 1 minute of playing time and thatís even with our starting center in foul trouble.

 ;D ;D ;D

I think chrisite not playing says more about UNH than it does about Christie. UNH plays small and everyone is willing to put up threes. Just not a great matchup for Christie who isn't ready to take advantage of his height on the offensive end. Instead we spent most of the game going small with Garcia at the 5. One really fun thing about this team is their depth and how they're able to competently play with a lot of different looks.

Excellent point.  No Christie, no Chef last night.  Boals is really maturing as a Coach in Year 3.  This is clearly his team now.