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Title: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 18, 2018, 12:54:17 pm
We are in! That's it!!!

Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 18, 2018, 12:57:18 pm
The bracket:

https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/print/football/fcs/2018
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 18, 2018, 01:50:31 pm
We got lucky actually. We're on the much easier side of the bracket. Had we won, it's quite possible we'd be hosting Duquense this weekend, but then have to travel to South Dakota State. Sometimes it pays to lose (something Coach P knows all too well).


This is a winnable game for us. While SEMO State has a good record, the conference they play in is an absolute Joke. They said on the selection show that we're the only road team to be favored heading into next weekend. We should absolutely win this one. Assuming Coach P can actually get our guys focused (tall order based on yesterday) and angry about yesterday's loss, this ought to be a win for us.

More than anything, I'm actually happy to be playing somebody other than the usual Patriot or NEC team. This is a team we otherwise would probably never play. I wish it was a home game though. We must have messed up the bidding process this year to not get the game. They take the bid amount, stadium quality, etc. into account and Lavalle stadium is much nicer than their stadium.

I'll take a closer look at their team in the coming days, but at first glance this ought to be a win. We should be the biggest team they've played all year.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolfie_MD on November 18, 2018, 02:13:38 pm
Got lucky after that horrible game against Albany in which our coaching was horribly exposed- the CAA gets a ton of respect and we are lucky to be in this conference. I have no idea what SE Mo State is like but its neat to be playing a different team.

Let's take it one game at a time. Carbone cannot lay that absolute egg that he did at Albany. These will be the last football games that these seniors play. Priore needs to wake up and coach a heck of a lot better too. I'm still not a big Priore fan but he needs this program to take the next step- that means making it deep into the playoffs.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 18, 2018, 02:47:49 pm
Just to note: Stony Brook wasn't even in the last 3 in as per selection committee.

That loss to Albany hurt us. but not that much
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: OldSeawolf on November 18, 2018, 05:19:31 pm
As I said on another thread, felt weíd get in when Delaware was announced, but when Elon was announced, thought we were done, since I figured they gave them a phantom win when their Hurricane game was canceled. Lucky to be in, and need to use that as momentum now. Saw the ďhighlightsĒ of yesterdayís game, and to lose the game after the Hail Mary TD is totally inexcusable. Cost them a home game for sure. Need better decision-making and time mgmt during this 2nd season.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Chrissy D. on November 18, 2018, 06:10:21 pm
Lets acknowledge some of these seniors and the careers they have had. Guys like Haggert who came back from 2 acl surgerys to be a 4 yr starter and captain. Liotine who wasnt expected to do anything as a walkon from a small school, to one of the top backs in the CAA and in the top 5 at SB in rushing and all purpose yds. McGinty and Lawless both in top 5 in tackles. These kids are easy to root for. Stony Brook is not lucky to be in the CAA, they earned it by doing what they did in the big south. If you are an alumn and root for the school then do that and enjoy the kids who play for the team. Hard work goes into making the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Home game wouldve been nice but lets not say that Heilibran screwed up the bidding process. The lose yesterday probably had to do with that. The only mention on this thread about this team is how Priore stole your lunch money. Coaches are coaches, the players make the engine run. The feeling of failing so the coach goes is really getting old. That is not supporting the players or the team. What hasnt been mentioned from yesterdays game was the lame flag thrown on Wheatley for taking his helmet off during the hailmary celebration. That moved the kick back and thus brought on the squib kick. Bottom line is this team is in the playoffs again so either get on board or jump off cause its getting old.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: NewGuy on November 18, 2018, 08:17:14 pm
C'mon. Can't you see this is the brilliance of Coach P? See he knew somehow that if he could blow this game, we would be placed in a weaker bracket. He's one smart dude and no wonder SH gave him that extension. Now I am just wondering if Coach P in his bonus package of making the play-offs (cant find his details but I thought it was around $10k for making the playoffs) is he going to give some of that to the Delaware HC in the form of a bonus? 

As to the idiotic squid kick call this shows just how goofy his thought process is.. Instead of telling Courtney to keep it deep left (or even right) and let it go about of bounds around 30, he squibs it RIGHT to the friggin guy who returns it 18 yards.  How someone with his "coaching experience" is not called out on this and expecting all of us to just say... "Oh Well" Is unacceptable for a coach who making a base salary of 418K. He also called that stupid timeout a few weeks ago after a TD again someone else when they were getting ready to be penalized.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 18, 2018, 08:47:19 pm
Here we go again with the excuses. Right on cue.  ;D

We have some truly fantastic players in this program, we really do. There's enough talent on this roster to go all the way to Frisco. We've dropped the ball at developing some positions, which is why we have some of the struggles that we do, but we have some some fantastic young men in this program. They all graduate and get good grades. No issue there.

With all of that in mind though, we lost to a 2 win team when potentially a playoff berth, conference title, and first round bye were on the line. The combined record of the two teams Albany beat is 8-14 and both of those wins were by seven points or less. That's unacceptable. It's not the first time either as there's no shortage of games over the past five season we lost either to inferior teams, or were outright lucky to win. When the stakes are that high, and the team doesn't perform, who do you think that falls on to? Once again, it's not the first time.

The way Shawn talks, you'd think he's trying to get us into the Big Ten, and that's awesome. But if we're going to make the athletic department "big time," we as fans can't start coming up with excuses like "we're not Ohio State" when we lose critical games to bad teams. You cannot have it both ways. You can't aspire to be a premier athletic department, but then act like we're playing youth football when the results don't materialize. We spend a hell of a lot of money on athletics. Our spending puts us at 5th place among FCS public schools. (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/) Far too much to just expect average results. Last year we paid Coach P more than Buffalo paid their coach (https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/football-coaches-among-highest-paid-state-employees/), and in total, we're spending low FBS money (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/) on coaches salaries. When you spend money like that (as we should) it's not unreasonable at all to expect better results than last night.


On one final note, actually yes, there is a bidding for hosting playoff games that takes the facility, gate revenue, etc. into account. This video put out by the NCAA at roughly the 10:30 mark outlines these procedures.
This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FECEd5QPiA)
Something must have gone awry, because by all objective measures we should be hosting this game. For all our attendance woes, SEMO State had worse attendance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Southeast_Missouri_State_Redhawks_football_team) than we did this year. They only had 3,100 people show up for a top 5 Jacksonville State team. That's all water under the bridge now though. Time to prepare for the game and win this one.


All in all, I'm excited to play a different team from another conference, and will be eagerly watching the game next Saturday afternoon. Go Seawolves!
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Campi47 on November 18, 2018, 09:13:03 pm
Chrissy I couldn't agree with you more
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Chrissy D. on November 18, 2018, 10:52:52 pm
What excuses where made. The point that was made is that some of you guys are never happy with anything that goes on. That was a bad lose yesterday but it didnt cost them a birth. If JMU didnt get a seed then no way SB wouldve got one. Its funny how some of you would blame the AD now for not getting a home game, that falls on the team. They are not going to put 6 CAA teams in and give them all home games. There are other things that are considered when schools look at a program. They look at graduation rate and is the program run clean, also recruiting. You mention the Liberty game a few yrs back and forgot to mention the year after in 2011 when they beat liberty at home to secure the playoff birth. I dont care what someone gets paid nor do I obsess about a coach on an FCS team. I watch and root for the team. My point was that there is only venum spewed about a coach, instead of talking about what is good about the team. Facts are facts and this team is in the playoffs again, like it or not. I am going to trust the fact that the AD knows a lot more about his job than anyone of us. Enjoy the game.

Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 18, 2018, 11:23:06 pm
Ahead of our match-up against SE Missouri State, I took a look at the statistics (https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs) and a couple things jump out to me. When it comes to rushing defense, they're ranked 78th in the country giving up 189 yards per game. For reference, Fordham who we rushed for 311 yards against is ranked 81st in the country giving up 192 yards per game on average. Our highest rushing total of the year was against Rhode Island and they're ranked 54th nationally giving up 163 yards per game. We ran for 354 yards against them. Running the ball on these guys won't be a problem.

One thing I did find shocking about them was that their passing defense was ranked 122nd in the country (out of 124 teams). They give up on average 304 passing yards per game which is God awful. For reference, our best passing game of the year was 270 yards against Villanova and their passing defense is ranked 22nd nationally. A balanced attack will work for this game, but Carbone should have his best passing game of the season. The worst passing defense we faced this year was Richmond who is ranked 82nd and gave up 225 yards per game on average. Their secondary is clearly weak, and we can torch them through the air if need be.

The only thing concerning about them is they're ranked 9th nationally in scoring offense, averaging 39 points a game. That's quite good. Though for reference, JMU and Towson are ranked 13th and 14th averaging ~37 points per game. We held them to 13 and 52 points respectively. If the defense from the JMU game shows up, we'll handle SEMO State just fine. If the Towson defense shows up, this could turn into a real shootout. We're ranked 10th nationally in scoring defense. So you have the 9th best scoring offense in the country against the 10th best scoring defense. That'll be the match-up to watch.

Looking at these stats makes me feel much better about the game. Keep in mind that the Ohio Valley is nowhere near the conference the CAA is, so they're giving up all these yards against weak competition. Signature Stony Brook football of running the ball and playing stout defense should really work well this game, and Carbone ought to have confidence in his ability to throw the ball downfield should this game become a shootout.

Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 19, 2018, 04:50:22 am
Lets acknowledge some of these seniors and the careers they have had. Guys like Haggert who came back from 2 acl surgerys to be a 4 yr starter and captain. Liotine who wasnt expected to do anything as a walkon from a small school, to one of the top backs in the CAA and in the top 5 at SB in rushing and all purpose yds. McGinty and Lawless both in top 5 in tackles. These kids are easy to root for. Stony Brook is not lucky to be in the CAA, they earned it by doing what they did in the big south. If you are an alumn and root for the school then do that and enjoy the kids who play for the team. Hard work goes into making the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Home game wouldve been nice but lets not say that Heilibran screwed up the bidding process. The lose yesterday probably had to do with that. The only mention on this thread about this team is how Priore stole your lunch money. Coaches are coaches, the players make the engine run. The feeling of failing so the coach goes is really getting old. That is not supporting the players or the team. What hasnt been mentioned from yesterdays game was the lame flag thrown on Wheatley for taking his helmet off during the hailmary celebration. That moved the kick back and thus brought on the squib kick. Bottom line is this team is in the playoffs again so either get on board or jump off cause its getting old.

I have to agree with you with giving credit to the senior players on the team. They played incredibly well and is the main reason why SB had a good season. Haggart is a beast and will be missed. I wont be missing Carbone though, that's for sure. With that said. Yeah, Wheatley got over excited and the bonehead ref throws a flag on him for removing his helmet, thus costing us a 15-yard penalty on the kickoff. Soooo, why not kick it even deeper and towards the sidelines and let it go out of bounds and take the penalty??? A squib kick pretty much guarantees the other team great field position, 90% of the time, doesn't it???  This had to be coach P worst play calling of the year and did cost his team, university, big time.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 19, 2018, 04:02:35 pm
Lets acknowledge some of these seniors and the careers they have had. Guys like Haggert who came back from 2 acl surgerys to be a 4 yr starter and captain. Liotine who wasnt expected to do anything as a walkon from a small school, to one of the top backs in the CAA and in the top 5 at SB in rushing and all purpose yds. McGinty and Lawless both in top 5 in tackles. These kids are easy to root for. Stony Brook is not lucky to be in the CAA, they earned it by doing what they did in the big south. If you are an alumn and root for the school then do that and enjoy the kids who play for the team. Hard work goes into making the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Home game wouldve been nice but lets not say that Heilibran screwed up the bidding process. The lose yesterday probably had to do with that. The only mention on this thread about this team is how Priore stole your lunch money. Coaches are coaches, the players make the engine run. The feeling of failing so the coach goes is really getting old. That is not supporting the players or the team. What hasnt been mentioned from yesterdays game was the lame flag thrown on Wheatley for taking his helmet off during the hailmary celebration. That moved the kick back and thus brought on the squib kick. Bottom line is this team is in the playoffs again so either get on board or jump off cause its getting old.

THANK YOU CHRISSY!

I couldn't have said it any better. This team is deserving of our support. We need to enjoy the moment. Half of the programs in the CAA would love to be in the playoffs right now. Guess what? We are in it, back to back years.

We are building success at Stony Brook little by little. Lets look at the bigger picture guys!!

And thank you to the players and Coach P for giving me at the very least one extra game to watch at home this Saturday! So excited!!!
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: iBOsbu on November 19, 2018, 05:30:56 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to equate criticizing the coach or wanting a new coach to same as criticizing players or lacking team/school spirit. I am very happy that we are in the playoffs and excited too. Can’t wait to beat up the RedHawks. I love our players. Seniors and not seniors.

I think Coach P was the right person to guide us from NEC to Big South to CAA. Im very happy at where we are now as a program comparing to where we were 10/15 years ago. We are now rubbing shoulders with the elites of FCS. He has done tremendous job.

However I’m still unhappy with the Coach. It I feel like this is Coach P’s ceiling. His weaknesses in play calling are routinely exposed. His often makes head scratching decisions. I think with the amount of money we are spending, we can have even better coach.

I have no issue with getting penalized for unsportsmanlike celebrations after the Hail Mary. Emotions can take over. These are young players. But I have problem with many of the coaching decisions that led to no option but throwing a Hail Mary against last placed Albany.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 19, 2018, 06:54:33 pm
Lets acknowledge some of these seniors and the careers they have had. Guys like Haggert who came back from 2 acl surgerys to be a 4 yr starter and captain. Liotine who wasnt expected to do anything as a walkon from a small school, to one of the top backs in the CAA and in the top 5 at SB in rushing and all purpose yds. McGinty and Lawless both in top 5 in tackles. These kids are easy to root for. Stony Brook is not lucky to be in the CAA, they earned it by doing what they did in the big south. If you are an alumn and root for the school then do that and enjoy the kids who play for the team. Hard work goes into making the playoffs 2 yrs in a row. Home game wouldve been nice but lets not say that Heilibran screwed up the bidding process. The lose yesterday probably had to do with that. The only mention on this thread about this team is how Priore stole your lunch money. Coaches are coaches, the players make the engine run. The feeling of failing so the coach goes is really getting old. That is not supporting the players or the team. What hasnt been mentioned from yesterdays game was the lame flag thrown on Wheatley for taking his helmet off during the hailmary celebration. That moved the kick back and thus brought on the squib kick. Bottom line is this team is in the playoffs again so either get on board or jump off cause its getting old.

THANK YOU CHRISSY!

I couldn't have said it any better. This team is deserving of our support. We need to enjoy the moment. Half of the programs in the CAA would love to be in the playoffs right now. Guess what? We are in it, back to back years.

We are building success at Stony Brook little by little. Lets look at the bigger picture guys!!

And thank you to the players and Coach P for giving me at the very least one extra game to watch at home this Saturday! So excited!!!

Kumbaya time????????
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolfie_MD on November 19, 2018, 10:13:43 pm
I've taken great pride in the strides taken by seniors such as Julius Wingate who I have been waiting for since his freshman year. It's also been a blast seeing Donny Liotine become a stud FCS player after being hardly looked at coming out of the Stony Brook School. Carbone has also shown he has been more than capable in many games- we have a lot of uncertainty at QB going into next year which is going to be really interesting.

I'm firmly on the Stony Brook bandwagon- I'm looking forward to this next game. Hopefully Carbone gets back on track. This is a winnable game IMHO- I do worry about our guys going all the way to Missouri as its going to be a long trip- the place is >2 hours away from St. Louis. If we win that we then have a trip to Utah in the cards!

To finish the earlier debate, being a fan of this team/players and being critical of coaching are not mutually exclusive.


Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: semosupporter on November 20, 2018, 10:31:21 am
Hello from SEMO. Congratulations on making the playoffs. I see someone has brought up our bad defensive stats but not our good stats. To tell the truth our defense has driven me nuts all year.  Let me list some of our better defensive stats for you. #1 nationally in turnover margin, #1 in turnovers gained, #1 in interceptions, #22 in fumbles recovered, we are also #1 in fumbles lost, #5 in turnovers lost, #7 in blocked punts, and #9 in blocked kicks.
Our rushing game is much better than our numbers, especially in the second half. We have a pre-season All-American running back (Marcuis Terry) who has been banged up all year. He went out in the first quarter of our last game but I think that was a precaution and expect him to play Saturday. We have a very balanced offense that will take what the defense gives us.
I expect our game to be one of the better ones to watch in the first round. Iím hoping for a good hard fought injure free game. Here is a link to our fan forum 
http://www.semofans.com/forum/
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 20, 2018, 03:03:33 pm
Welcome!!

I did not know your running back was that talented, though I stand by my comments on the defense. I'm curious how a team can lead the nation in interceptions, while also being last in the country (or very close) in passing yards allowed. Unless most of your interceptions are in the redzone, that's quite the feat!   

I will admit you guys have a very good offense. Santacaterina is an FBS transfer from NIU who saw the field there, and is now lighting it up in the OVC. I have no doubt in your team's ability to move the football. SBU is 10th nationally in scoring defense, so the match-up of your offense against our defense will be what defines the game.

As far as our offense goes, I'm excited to see what happens when the Long Island Express comes to town. Liotine has over 1100 yards on the season, and Gowins has almost 1000 himself. They'd both be over 1000 yards, but Gowins missed a game due to injury. Both run behind a big offensive line that averages 314lbs up front. I somewhat expect this one to be a shootout as both offenses move the ball down field, though through primarily different means. That would be fun as we don't often find ourselves in that kind of game.  I understand this is your first home playoff game, so enjoy it. Go Seawolves!
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 20, 2018, 11:25:16 pm
welcome semo- great to have you on board to balance out discussion.  youll hopefully find that all of our fans, when posting, will be as classy as you are.  good luck and looking forward to a great contest.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: iBOsbu on November 23, 2018, 07:40:03 pm
Happy Thanksgiving fellow Seawolves!!!
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 10:29:01 am
It's GAMEDAY gentlemen. Playoff football!!
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: semosupporter on November 24, 2018, 12:34:10 pm
Game time weather is sunny with temp. expected to be 60 degrees with 60% humidity (that's very low humidity for our area) high single digit wind. A perfect day for football. As our head coach would say "it's time to get it on". Here's to a hard fought injury free game for both teams.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 02:07:16 pm
Awesome start defensively. Three and out to begin with a sack already.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Triple Lindy on November 24, 2018, 02:34:30 pm
Great drive killed by Carbone fumble. Brutal.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 02:37:19 pm
Great drive killed by Carbone fumble. Brutal.

He clearly didn't know whether to keep it or hand it off and sure enough it causes a turnover. Don't need that against a team that forces enough of those on their own.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 02:46:24 pm
Defensive struggle so far at the end of the first quarter. I expected more offense in general, but this kind of game favors us and there was that fumble when we were moving the ball in their territory. We've shut down their run game so far and when Santacateria throws he's constantly under pressure which is great. This is happening while only rushing 3-4 guys too which is another great sign.

We just need to move the ball better offensively. We're a second half team offensively, so it'll be a struggle until we (hopefully) pull away in the second.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Triple Lindy on November 24, 2018, 02:50:00 pm
Saw a virtually identical fumble/turnover on the exchange during the Delaware game. itís unfortunate to be having these kind of unforced turnovers  this late in the season. All you can do is shake it off and get back at it.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 03:01:07 pm
Saw a virtually identical fumble/turnover on the exchange during the Delaware game. itís unfortunate to be having these kind of unforced turnovers  this late in the season. All you can do is shake it off and get back at it.

Our defense will bail us out like it has all year. We'd be in Albany's shoes if we didn't have such a good defense.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 04:06:38 pm
The first pick was tipped, fine...

But that last one is on Carbone. Wildly inaccurate ball.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: iBOsbu on November 24, 2018, 04:10:44 pm
Two quick TD and they caught up. Tied game 😡
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 24, 2018, 04:12:21 pm
Thank God for graduation.  Carbone is the worst QB SB has ever had .
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Triple Lindy on November 24, 2018, 04:12:29 pm
Canít have these kind of turnovers on the road during the playoffs. We were in firm control at halftime and now giving SEMO a ton of momentum.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 24, 2018, 04:15:16 pm
 Crissy. Defend your QB and coach P now..
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 04:16:37 pm
Thank God for graduation.  Carbone is the worst QB SB has ever had .

I wouldn't go that far, but if Fields steps in next year and balls out with his athleticism, the whole offensive coaching staff will look like fools for having him on the sideline so long.

I'm just thankful we'll get so much back on defense.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Triple Lindy on November 24, 2018, 04:28:30 pm
We look completely stunned right now. Did we forget how to play football all of the sudden? Wow this is hard to watch.  Coach P has to get this under control quickly or it could get ugly.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 04:30:19 pm
It's over, we've lost it. I don't know what the hell Coach P and staff did or said at halftime, but we're a joke now. This is going to get really ugly in short order here. 
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolffan on November 24, 2018, 04:34:05 pm
Odd move on the sideline by Coach P...announcers have alluded to it. Awful player ejection (nose tackle) and we've lost our composure.

Beyond that, we are collapsing. 27-14 after being up 14-0 at the half.

Getting chippier.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: OldSeawolf on November 24, 2018, 04:34:44 pm
What a meltdown. Left game with a 14-0 lead to watch b-ball game, and couldnít believe my eyes. Totally uninspired team. Why was 96 ejected?
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Triple Lindy on November 24, 2018, 04:36:11 pm
The wheels have come off.  This is sad.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolffan on November 24, 2018, 04:38:05 pm
Carbone is out w/3:25 left in the 3rd.

Fields might give us a spark (and his play has not been game planned by the D)
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 24, 2018, 04:38:47 pm
I have missed of the game. the days prior to thanksgiving day brought us a terrible family tragedy.

I have now tuned in to watch with the hope of bringing a bit of normalcy back to my life
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: newfan on November 24, 2018, 04:42:13 pm
Carbone is out w/3:25 left in the 3rd.

Fields might give us a spark (and his play has not been game planned by the D)

I stepped away for a moment...is this a QB change or is Carbone hurt?
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 04:42:32 pm
Was Carbone benched? There may be hope yet.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 24, 2018, 04:43:33 pm
Thank God for graduation.  Carbone is the worst QB SB has ever had .

I wouldn't go that far, but if Fields steps in next year and balls out with his athleticism, the whole offensive coaching staff will look like fools for having him on the sideline so long.

I'm just thankful we'll get so much back on defense.

VA , Now that the season is over, I could say this without any remorse. Carbone and our coaching staff blows. I'm done with this High School team
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Seawolf97 on November 24, 2018, 04:51:00 pm
The wheels came off big time today.    Time to head to the airport we cannot catch up  with this team.  What a waste .
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolffan on November 24, 2018, 04:51:18 pm
Was Carbone benched? There may be hope yet.

Can't tell. Announcers not sure either.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 24, 2018, 04:51:58 pm
running into the K?  soft call.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 04:52:42 pm
This is precisely why you never give a coach an extension mid-season. These are the worst consecutive weeks of games I can remember.

The rest of the conference is looking weak too with Elon already having lost their game and Towson trailing Duquense by two touchdowns in the 4th quarter. 
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: newfan on November 24, 2018, 04:58:07 pm
Was Carbone benched? There may be hope yet.

Can't tell. Announcers not sure either.

Just showed him on sideline...in uniform but looked like pads were off, so I guess an injury?
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolffan on November 24, 2018, 04:58:48 pm
After a great Fields run....odd call for Fields to throw on 4th and short...turnover on downs.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: newfan on November 24, 2018, 05:02:18 pm
Was Carbone benched? There may be hope yet.

Can't tell. Announcers not sure either.

I like Fields and if given the keys to the offense, could be good...but he is so different from Carbone and we haven't seen much from him yet passing wise that I do not like this switch mid game if not prompted by an injury. Carbone has had much worse games than today without a similar switch
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolffan on November 24, 2018, 05:05:19 pm
Was Carbone benched? There may be hope yet.

Can't tell. Announcers not sure either.

I like Fields and if given the keys to the offense, could be good...but he is so different from Carbone and we haven't seen much from him yet passing wise that I do not like this switch mid game if not prompted by an injury. Carbone has had much worse games than today without a similar switch

Looks like an injury with Carbone on the sidelines in a baseball hat and no pads.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: OldSeawolf on November 24, 2018, 05:08:29 pm
Down 14, under 10 mins left, and we are using most of play clock?  Hurry-up Offense May be in order. Coach P so bad with his time Mgmt.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: newfan on November 24, 2018, 05:08:48 pm
Was Carbone benched? There may be hope yet.

Can't tell. Announcers not sure either.

I like Fields and if given the keys to the offense, could be good...but he is so different from Carbone and we haven't seen much from him yet passing wise that I do not like this switch mid game if not prompted by an injury. Carbone has had much worse games than today without a similar switch

Looks like an injury with Carbone on the sidelines in a baseball hat and no pads.

Yeah, announcers just made a vague reference to a Carbone injury
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 05:09:30 pm
Was Carbone benched? There may be hope yet.

Can't tell. Announcers not sure either.

Just showed him on sideline...in uniform but looked like pads were off, so I guess an injury?

He got hurt?? Damn. You hate to see that, especially in the last game of your career.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 05:11:06 pm
This is over. At this point I'd put all the seniors in the game and just try to have some fun out there. They're probably never going to play football again, so at least give them something today.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: newfan on November 24, 2018, 05:13:07 pm
This is over. At this point I'd put all the seniors in the game and just try to have some fun out there. They're probably never going to play football again, so at least give them something today.

Likely over but our defense tends to make big plays...can't concede yet
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 05:15:59 pm
Now Liotine just got his ankle messed up. He was going to get NFL looks.


S*** day all around today.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 24, 2018, 05:16:16 pm
ugh, liotine twists a knee.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ry1nik on November 24, 2018, 05:26:17 pm
Losing to Albany OR losing to SEMO they way they did could be understandable. Sh$t happens. But the way both happened is not on any player or players. It falls squarely on the HC.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 24, 2018, 05:27:53 pm
i hate that we lost, but i hate more that we went out with such a whimper.  at least the SHSU game was a blast. 
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 05:32:39 pm
In the limited snaps we saw him, Fields looked much more accurate than Carbone, so there's hope there. We also get the entire defensive line, the whole secondary, and the interior of the offensive line back next year, in addition to Wheatley. Those are some great pieces to have back for next season at some key positions. At least there's that....

I have such little faith in this staff though after these last two games. Especially offensively. What the hell happened at halftime??
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Seawolf97 on November 24, 2018, 05:33:47 pm
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 05:42:18 pm
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance. 
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ry1nik on November 24, 2018, 05:47:09 pm
The ESPN staff called out Priore for losing it by shoving Vasquez. Questionable coaching ability and questionable temperament.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolffan on November 24, 2018, 05:54:34 pm
The ESPN staff called out Priore for losing it by shoving Vasquez. Questionable coaching ability and questionable temperament.


He may have been showing him technique...in any case it was not a good look as we were imploding.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 24, 2018, 06:00:51 pm
The ESPN staff called out Priore for losing it by shoving Vasquez. Questionable coaching ability and questionable temperament.
Biggest POS coach in college football. His own players can't stand him. If you dont believe me, just ask all the former players and go back and look at last Sunday selection show. When SB heard ESPN announce them being in the playoffs, the entire team jumped up and was hugging each other. Coach P was hugging his pecker and not a single player went up to him to congratulate him. He lost all respect and control of this team.

Great job Shawn Heilbron. You extend this bonehead coach for 4 more years and we are all stuck with him. Keep this up and crickets will be sitting in all the seats at LaValle stadium.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 24, 2018, 06:02:38 pm
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance.

I cant stand this man. Time to have a talk with the big boss about his contract extension.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: newfan on November 24, 2018, 07:35:03 pm
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance.

I cant stand this man. Time to have a talk with the big boss about his contract extension.

I'm torn on this....I agree there are many games where I scratch my head at some of the game plans or in game calls, and I admit I have no inside information on what his players think of him...but at the college level, and especially the FCS level, recruiting (including attracting big name transfers) is almost as important as the X's and O's. I feel every year SBU puts a ton of talent on the field....even if we can legitimately say another coach would have executed better, or had a team more fired up to play, can we be sure that another coach would have been capable of putting the same caliber team on the field?
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 24, 2018, 07:48:53 pm
And if we can't properly utilize the guys we do put on the field, what good is it?? The talent for a deep playoff run has been there for years, yet by and large it's been five win seasons. Defensively we do well, love that side of the ball despite the second half meltdown today, it's the offense where we seriously struggle. As has been said, this is Coach P's ceiling. Barring more changes at OC, this is as dynamic as our offense is going to get.

Bringing in the right hire is important, but it's highly improbable our recruiting would fall off a cliff with a new coach.

There is a lot to like about our program right now, to the point where you have to wonder if maybe a couple more offensive changes would be enough to salvage things. These last two games really make you wonder though. They've been so ugly....

The biggest mistake of all though was extending him mid-season. There was already a phantom extension done that nobody ever knew about, so to extend him again? For what? We made that move now look like a bunch of idiots!!
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 24, 2018, 07:57:20 pm
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance.

I cant stand this man. Time to have a talk with the big boss about his contract extension.

I'm torn on this....I agree there are many games where I scratch my head at some of the game plans or in game calls, and I admit I have no inside information on what his players think of him...but at the college level, and especially the FCS level, recruiting (including attracting big name transfers) is almost as important as the X's and O's. I feel every year SBU puts a ton of talent on the field....even if we can legitimately say another coach would have executed better, or had a team more fired up to play, can we be sure that another coach would have been capable of putting the same caliber team on the field?

Absolutely and without a doubt!!!! This team lacks a quality QB. It's no surprise that SB is a pound and ground team. You might as well just give your JV playbook to the opposing team, but to be effective a team must have all the tangables.  A QB who can hand the ball off effectively,  carbone can not. A QB who can throw accurately.  Carbone can not.  And a QB who can run.  Carbone can not. This school will never get a decent QB because of coach P style of playing. Bring in a new coach has has a history of doing it all, then you eventually attract a QB who can do it all.

I really can go on and on and on, but it is getting old and I sound like a broken record. Carbone gone, good grief but who can step up to the plate a do a better job. I'm not sure if Fields or any other QB on this roster has what it takes to be that decent QB. 

Coach P has a new, 4 year contract, not 2 like they want us to believe,  so either we get used to him for 4 more years or just stop watching the games. I am leaning more to the " I had enough of coach P"!!!
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 24, 2018, 08:06:17 pm
"Phantom extension" perfect.. That ghost contract that was extended to coach P for one more season from the interim AD, Donna W, was to expire in 2018. Google coach P ol contract. This school plays games and doesnt tell us the truth, all while keep raising our ticket and parking passes for football year after year. Keep blowing the easy games and get blown out by halfway decent teams, and they will lose a real valuable fan base. That is the local community..
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: newfan on November 24, 2018, 10:37:43 pm
"Phantom extension" perfect.. That ghost contract that was extended to coach P for one more season from the interim AD, Donna W, was to expire in 2018. Google coach P ol contract. This school plays games and doesnt tell us the truth, all while keep raising our ticket and parking passes for football year after year. Keep blowing the easy games and get blown out by halfway decent teams, and they will lose a real valuable fan base. That is the local community..

Where did they raise our ticket prices? When they announced renewals for 2019 I actually looked back at my old invoices...absent tacking on a $10 handling charge that started a few years ago (and I am unsure of whether the school or an outside processing company pockets that $10), next year's season tix are the exact same price for the season as in 2013...oh, and we have 7 home games next year, in 2013 we had 5...so tickets actually got cheaper
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 25, 2018, 01:10:20 am
CAA fell on its face today. wow
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: guest282 on November 25, 2018, 02:51:33 am
What did Gilzene (sp?) do to get ejected? He was nowhere near the QB when the ball was thrown and ESPN did not replay it.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 25, 2018, 07:34:47 am
Can anyone verify what happen with coach P shoving one of the O lineman. I missed that part.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Tml on November 25, 2018, 08:23:52 am
I have missed of the game. the days prior to thanksgiving day brought us a terrible family tragedy.

I have now tuned in to watch with the hope of bringing a bit of normalcy back to my life

Sorry you had to suffer a family tragedy.  Some things are more important than sports. 
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ry1nik on November 25, 2018, 08:30:11 am
Can anyone verify what happen with coach P shoving one of the O lineman. I missed that part.
It wasnít clear but I had the impression Priore shoved Vasquez(?) because he was going on the field when there were already 11 players. I could be wrong so just filling in the blank. It was pretty physical which is why the announcer suggested the coach is falling apart just like his team.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Tml on November 25, 2018, 08:50:34 am
It wasnít a lack of passing.  They threw 44 times.  They had over 400 yards total offense.  They just didnít execute well.

Itís never been a lack of passing.  Carbone averaged 23 pass attempts per game over his career.  SB throws.  They just donít do it well.

It was the 4 turnovers that cost them the game. SEMO took care of the ball.  SB didnít.  You canít cough it up 4 times and win, especially when the other team doesnít turn it over. 

Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolffan on November 25, 2018, 04:33:09 pm
It wasnít a lack of passing.  They threw 44 times.  They had over 400 yards total offense.  They just didnít execute well.

Itís never been a lack of passing.  Carbone averaged 23 pass attempts per game over his career.  SB throws.  They just donít do it well.

It was the 4 turnovers that cost them the game. SEMO took care of the ball.  SB didnít.  You canít cough it up 4 times and win, especially when the other team doesnít turn it over.

As much as arm strength/accuracy, his lack of foot speed was glaring this year. SE Missouri's QB was not  greased lightening...but had  decent speed and that absolutely killed us 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ry1nik on November 25, 2018, 05:16:44 pm
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance.

I cant stand this man. Time to have a talk with the big boss about his contract extension.

I'm torn on this....I agree there are many games where I scratch my head at some of the game plans or in game calls, and I admit I have no inside information on what his players think of him...but at the college level, and especially the FCS level, recruiting (including attracting big name transfers) is almost as important as the X's and O's. I feel every year SBU puts a ton of talent on the field....even if we can legitimately say another coach would have executed better, or had a team more fired up to play, can we be sure that another coach would have been capable of putting the same caliber team on the field?
Not sure the numbers support Prioreís recruiting ability. This season there are more than 150 players from 71 FCS schools on NFL rosters. We know how many are from SB. So either heís not good at recruiting or once he gets top recruits here, he doesnít develop them.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: NewGuy on November 25, 2018, 07:50:20 pm
for what its worth. Our son played his last game yesterday and its been a wild 5 years.  Sadly, I am no longer a Coach P fan and aside from some of his play calling I believe that many of the players don't have the respect that I did when I played. I have not polled anyone, but you can see it on the sidelines. As the fan forum continues forward I hope that you spend the time looking at the WHOLE game when it's won and lost, and the cause and effect of not just the game but the personnel in game situations that can kill a team.

Yes, the TO's killed us and yes the 28 points were tough to swallow sitting there in the stands, and then the four major penalties (which we had been managing to NOT get- and then we did)  But, one thing that's burn my a$$ over this year is #5 our punt returner (and even most of the others in the past).

For instance yesterday he placed us in POOR field position on at least 4 punts where he would not come up and challenge the punt or just let it go, and the one where the punt went of the foot of our guy on another short punt he would not get under.

Good luck in the future to all of whose sons' are still playing, and hope they have the long standing relationships with their teammates as our son did.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Seawolf97 on November 25, 2018, 08:52:55 pm
Our returner #5/WR isnt the best for sure . He has let more balls go  for loss than he actually grabbed and return .  I think  he is gun shy back there
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 26, 2018, 05:09:02 am
for what its worth. Our son played his last game yesterday and its been a wild 5 years.  Sadly, I am no longer a Coach P fan and aside from some of his play calling I believe that many of the players don't have the respect that I did when I played. I have not polled anyone, but you can see it on the sidelines. As the fan forum continues forward I hope that you spend the time looking at the WHOLE game when it's won and lost, and the cause and effect of not just the game but the personnel in game situations that can kill a team.

Yes, the TO's killed us and yes the 28 points were tough to swallow sitting there in the stands, and then the four major penalties (which we had been managing to NOT get- and then we did)  But, one thing that's burn my a$$ over this year is #5 our punt returner (and even most of the others in the past).

For instance yesterday he placed us in POOR field position on at least 4 punts where he would not come up and challenge the punt or just let it go, and the one where the punt went of the foot of our guy on another short punt he would not get under.

Good luck in the future to all of whose sons' are still playing, and hope they have the long standing relationships with their teammates as our son did.

I know how you feel and I'm quite sure your son feels the same way about coach P. I have had many conversations with former players and their parents about this topic and I must say, the majority of players all feel the same.

For SH to give coach P a new contract in the middle of the season that runs through 2022 is very alarming and concerning to me and it should be for others, as well.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 26, 2018, 05:16:50 am
Two ugly losses in a row . That 3rd quarter was disaster especially coach P  on TV pushing a lineman on the sidelines . Lets see what the excuses will be Monday . Just think  we got this guy 4 more years

Totally missed this. Wish it wasn't the only thing I missed from this game though. Pathetic performance.

I cant stand this man. Time to have a talk with the big boss about his contract extension.

I'm torn on this....I agree there are many games where I scratch my head at some of the game plans or in game calls, and I admit I have no inside information on what his players think of him...but at the college level, and especially the FCS level, recruiting (including attracting big name transfers) is almost as important as the X's and O's. I feel every year SBU puts a ton of talent on the field....even if we can legitimately say another coach would have executed better, or had a team more fired up to play, can we be sure that another coach would have been capable of putting the same caliber team on the field?
Not sure the numbers support Prioreís recruiting ability. This season there are more than 150 players from 71 FCS schools on NFL rosters. We know how many are from SB. So either heís not good at recruiting or once he gets top recruits here, he doesnít develop them.

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Campi47 on November 26, 2018, 08:32:33 am
A couple of thoughts about Coach P

150 FCS players in the NFL however most of those players began their college careers in the FBS and than transferred to FCS schools

What coach are you getting to hire to run this program because no FBS assistant is coming who has aspirations, instead they will go to another FBS program and move up that way so if SBU wants to go in another direction they should go after a top assistant in the FCS.

Recruiting you will only have to wait till the Spring because the last 2 classes will fully be on display and you will see if our recruits are any good or not
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 26, 2018, 10:35:13 am
A couple of thoughts about Coach P

150 FCS players in the NFL however most of those players began their college careers in the FBS and than transferred to FCS schools

What coach are you getting to hire to run this program because no FBS assistant is coming who has aspirations, instead they will go to another FBS program and move up that way so if SBU wants to go in another direction they should go after a top assistant in the FCS.

Recruiting you will only have to wait till the Spring because the last 2 classes will fully be on display and you will see if our recruits are any good or not

True, but no sense talking about this topic anymore. SB locked him in for 4 more years so, he's staying put..
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: NewGuy on November 26, 2018, 10:42:59 am
Yep. Thankfully his position coach (who really recruited him) was at least more positive.  With Coach P- you get what you get. He's not ever going to change and no doubt every kid (and their parents now this by now). As to SH I have to believe that in his database and discussions with other AD's they know whats out there and who's available or not and for how much.

So he came up with the contract extension based on what I think was not just the mediocre record but what's out there (IMHO) and who's in the hopper for talent. I believe SH did in fact look around- he's too smart not to. As many of us know, we keep on telling kids, don't pick the school for the Coach- pick it for what you want to do from a study/work effort when you hang up the cleats.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 26, 2018, 01:41:51 pm

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.

Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 26, 2018, 02:36:05 pm

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.

Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.

My thoughts exactly.  Why he wasn't chosen to supersede coach P is a mystery.  Obviously, coach P has a strong hold on this Athletic dept. As far as getting Hemphill back to SB. Forget it. He went form a safeties coach to Defensive coordinator.  That's huge in the FBS and his ceiling is endless.  Dont be shocked to see him as the HC at some Power 5 team in the near future.  He helped bring Wake Forest out from the doldrums to being an contender in the ACC coastal conference. 
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 26, 2018, 04:16:42 pm

It's hard to recruit good players out of HS when there is zero history of this program getting kids drafted. I believe SB coaches dont have what it takes to take them to the next level and falls on the shoulders of the coaches, all of them.

I can only think of one coach in the 10 years Ive been following SB football that is a quality coach and who can take an athlete and make him into a quality BFL player, and that is Lyle Hemphill, who was just promoted to Defensive Coordinator at Wake Forest.

Funny you mention Hemphill. I think we should have fired Coach P after the 2016 season and promoted Hemphill to be the head coach. Hemphill coached our guys into the number 1 defense in FCS for a time. To let that guy simply walk out the door was criminal. I wonder if we could get him back? He was far and away the best guy to take over our program. That defense was the only thing preventing those teams from going 2-9.

My thoughts exactly.  Why he wasn't chosen to supersede coach P is a mystery.  Obviously, coach P has a strong hold on this Athletic dept. As far as getting Hemphill back to SB. Forget it. He went form a safeties coach to Defensive coordinator.  That's huge in the FBS and his ceiling is endless.  Dont be shocked to see him as the HC at some Power 5 team in the near future.  He helped bring Wake Forest out from the doldrums to being an contender in the ACC coastal conference.

Just heard the news myself:

https://247sports.com/college/wake-forest/Article/Wake-Forest-Football-coach-Dave-Clawson-promotes-Lyle-Hemphill-Dave-Cohen-to-lead-defense--125314135/

Not surprised at all. The guy was incredible as a DC and I would have loved to see us give him a shot as a head coach. Zero doubt he'll get a P5 head coaching job soon. Not all good coordinators make good head coaches, but I'd have loved to give him a chance. Oh well.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Seawolf97 on November 26, 2018, 04:25:47 pm
Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .  Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass  once in awhile.  Scary offense.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: ry1nik on November 26, 2018, 05:44:02 pm
Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .  Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass  once in awhile.  Scary offense.
This is quite funny. Unfortunately itís also quite true.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: NewGuy on November 26, 2018, 07:26:53 pm
Saw where they just named the captains. The only "head scratcher" to me is Isiah White and not because he's not a good ball player- but because he was academically ineligible all season and to "reward" him a "C" on his chest just stinks for the others who played all year. Gotta be some other seniors instead, but the players pick them so...
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 26, 2018, 07:47:10 pm
Four more years of up the middle three times then punt .  Throw in the occasional 15 yard pass  once in awhile.  Scary offense.
This is quite funny. Unfortunately itís also quite true.

It's not funny and it is getting quite old with the ground and pound and up the gut. Coach P is so predictable and he isnt fooling any team. He could get away with it once in a while against mediocre teams, but once he goes up against tougher competition, he gets rolled.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Wolfie_MD on November 26, 2018, 08:55:02 pm
I am really impressed with what Shawn has done with basketball and the other scholarship sports. His decision to extend Priore middle of the season was bizarre and I don't really understand it. There is so much money thrown around college football at mediocre to bad college coaches (Exhibit A: Chris Ash at Rutgers; Exhibit B: Bobby Petrino at Louisville).

There are so many talented kids on this team and I'd love to see them take the next step. Our quarterback situation is going to be really interesting- if we can get a good FBS transfer (which should not be too tough honestly), that could be huge.

I'm a sucker so I'll keep out holding hope for this team to take that next step towards greatness. I'd love for football to take charge but I don't see it barring big changes in how this program does things.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 26, 2018, 11:57:04 pm
We have Fields, we have some talented young guys entering the program at that position so that's good, but I think we're stuck in a chicken vs the egg situation. We get fairly talented guys, but we can't develop them so we wind up with inconsistent quarterback play, but since we can't develop guys, we're not going to be attractive to the FBS transfers. We'll be stuck in a bad spot until we can develop talent at that position. By finally getting dual threat guys like Fields, Zamot, etc. at the position, we can complement our already run heavy offense with a mobile quarterback, while at the same time masking our inability to develop QB talent!! Brilliant I have to say  ;D

Jokes aside, that's really how I see it. Best we can hope for in the near term is that the running threat a mobile QB brings opens up some passing opportunities for whoever we put back there. We're not going to develop them into a great passer, so they might as well be able to scramble and move the ball with their feet. I can't recall SBU ever having a true dual threat quarterback in the past. Didn't fit with Priore's traditional style of offense in the past anyhow.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 27, 2018, 04:39:45 am
We have Fields, we have some talented young guys entering the program at that position so that's good, but I think we're stuck in a chicken vs the egg situation. We get fairly talented guys, but we can't develop them so we wind up with inconsistent quarterback play, but since we can't develop guys, we're not going to be attractive to the FBS transfers. We'll be stuck in a bad spot until we can develop talent at that position. By finally getting dual threat guys like Fields, Zamot, etc. at the position, we can complement our already run heavy offense with a mobile quarterback, while at the same time masking our inability to develop QB talent!! Brilliant I have to say  ;D

Jokes aside, that's really how I see it. Best we can hope for in the near term is that the running threat a mobile QB brings opens up some passing opportunities for whoever we put back there. We're not going to develop them into a great passer, so they might as well be able to scramble and move the ball with their feet. I can't recall SBU ever having a true dual threat quarterback in the past. Didn't fit with Priore's traditional style of offense in the past anyhow.

I'm not even sure what to say any more about this "beating a dead horse" topic. Coach P is not going to ever change, and the QB situation is going to be the same as Carbone for the next 4 years. It is what it is. We all know what needs to be done to take this program to the upper echelons of the FCS, and it's not this current coaching staff. Oh, well. Thank god it's over and now we can focus 100% on Basketball..
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 27, 2018, 08:47:34 am
im more bullish than most of you guys.  even though it's just HS film, i liked what i saw from sanchez and zamot.  coach P has surprised us in the past- last year for example, and to some extent this year.  sure we can improve at certain positions but we had a pretty good year.  so much of it is expectations. GO SB
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 27, 2018, 10:10:34 am
To switch gears for a moment. Any word on Liotine's status? It looked like he messed up his ankle during the game on Saturday, though it could have been a knee. Wishing him a speedy recovery as I'm sure he could at least find his way into an NFL camp.
Title: Re: G12: NCAA R1 - Stony Brook vs. SE Missou St.
Post by: Hammertime on November 27, 2018, 01:49:41 pm
To switch gears for a moment. Any word on Liotine's status? It looked like he messed up his ankle during the game on Saturday, though it could have been a knee. Wishing him a speedy recovery as I'm sure he could at least find his way into an NFL camp.

Even though it's not mandatory to talk about athletes injury or prognosis, a lot of schools do. This football program never talks about injuries, updates on who is hurt and who is not, who's playing who isn't. Who is no longer on the roster, stuff like that.  It would be nice if the paying fans and donors knew just a little bit more of what is happening behind close doors. Nope, not this football team. I'm quite certain coach P has everything to do with that.