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Title: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Checkmate on February 02, 2018, 12:00:19 pm
HARTFORD
Record:
13-10 (6-3 America East)
Last Game: W, 79-62, at New Hampshire 1/31
Last 10: 7-3
Last Meeting: Stony Brook 63-61 on 1/6/18; Sturdivant late game-winning three; Yeboah and Saintel team-high 14
CM Unofficial Line: Hartford -2.5
KenPom RPI: Stony Brook 225, Hartford 222
KenPom Prediction: Stony Brook 71, Hartford 67
Listen/Watch:
TV: http://www.espn.com/watch/_/id/3273047/hartford-vs-stony-brook-m-basketball
Stony Brook radio: http://www.943theshark.com/listenlive.aspx
Notables:
6-8/220 rjr F John Carroll 15.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 bpg, .488 FG%
6-4/185 jr G Jason Dunne 14.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, .791 FT%, .359 3-pt FG%
5-10/170 jr G JR Lynch 12.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.3 apg, .857 FT%, .366 3-pt FG%
6-2/215 jr G Travis Weatherington 9.1 ppg, .493 FG%, .471 3-pt FG%
6-10/270 sr C Hassan Attia 7.8 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.0 bpg, .710 FG%

Before you get all worked up about the recent stretch, let's look at the schedule ahead. After this one, we face the four worst teams in the AE (if you take out us ... ;D) so it's possible ... POSSIBLE ... that we can string together some wins here. KenPom, FWIW, has us winning the next five. But that's just a website spewing out results based on statistics. We've watched this team. Nothing is guaranteed.

I think everyone should be realistic about the lineups going forward. We're not going to abandon what we're doing and give the kids a majority of the minutes. That said, we're all clamoring for at least a slightly bigger glimpse of the youngsters, especially Ochefu, recently with McKenzie and possibly with Garcia. I don't think 12-15 minutes for any of them is a crazy maneuver where we're upsetting the apple cart. Especially with Chef and Mac, I feel like they've shown enough to warrant it. I was hoping that Garcia would be farther along, but of course he's getting his legs under him.

I love the Hartford game because of the potential Attia/Petras matchup. They're the two biggest guys in the league, no?

Hartford's coming off an impressive win up in Durham, with the team going 11 for 20 from deep and shooting 55 percent from the field overall. On the season and for the conference slate as well, they're behind only Vermont in terms of PPG, FG% and 3-pt FG%. As we've discussed ad nauseam in this space, their and many teams' success depends on whether the three's going down. The Hawks are 18 for 64 (.281) from deep in their losses  and 53 for 113 (.469) in their wins. I'm too depressed to compute those numbers for us.

The key point total is 70. They're 6-0 in conference when they score more than 70, 0-3 when they don't. I chose a more notable number, but you can actually bring that down to 62. Hartford has scored 61 (us), 56 (UMBC) and 53 points (UVM) in their AE losses, and topped 75 in all but one of their wins.

I'm happy for them though. It's been a real bad stretch for them, but Gallagher has them pointing in the right direction. They should be a top two or three team next year with almost everybody back; maybe even challenge for a tournament bid. But for one night, if you were there for it, I'm in agreement with the students – HUCK FARTFORD.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: guest282 on February 02, 2018, 12:27:10 pm
Pull a Joe Madden- mix it up and start MacKenzie, Garcia, Olaniyi, Ochefu and Yeboah.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 02, 2018, 12:49:04 pm
lets see how we stack up against a team with a bona fide center.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Checkmate on February 02, 2018, 01:59:39 pm
lets see how we stack up against a team with a bona fide center.

Attia hasn't really hurt us, in part because he's always in foul trouble. He's pretty limited offensively also. That said, he's a good big for this conference.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Moveitfred on February 02, 2018, 02:06:24 pm
Dare I say, in the small world of AE hoops all the games on Saturday have interesting lines:

UNH@UA, tied at 5-4 and in the thick of that 3/4/5 battle in the AE.
Bing@Maine, Can the winner move/trend up and out of the dreaded cellar and 8 spot?
UVM@UMBC, opening a new arena and can UMBC make some real noise in the standings only place it really counts?
our game...is Hartford really, truly, actually near the top of the AE for once or can SBU show some signs of life?
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Hammertime on February 02, 2018, 03:06:12 pm
Dare I say, in the small world of AE hoops all the games on Saturday have interesting lines:

UNH@UA, tied at 5-4 and in the thick of that 3/4/5 battle in the AE.
Bing@Maine, Can the winner move/trend up and out of the dreaded cellar and 8 spot?
UVM@UMBC, opening a new arena and can UMBC make some real noise in the standings only place it really counts?
our game...is Hartford really, truly, actually near the top of the AE for once or can SBU show some signs of life?

One thing is for certain. We lose to Hartford and cap of a 0-3 home stretch....
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Moveitfred on February 02, 2018, 03:26:36 pm
Dare I say, in the small world of AE hoops all the games on Saturday have interesting lines:

UNH@UA, tied at 5-4 and in the thick of that 3/4/5 battle in the AE.
Bing@Maine, Can the winner move/trend up and out of the dreaded cellar and 8 spot?
UVM@UMBC, opening a new arena and can UMBC make some real noise in the standings only place it really counts?
our game...is Hartford really, truly, actually near the top of the AE for once or can SBU show some signs of life?

One thing is for certain. We lose to Hartford and cap of a 0-3 home stretch....

I'll go with probably the safest picks in each game: UA, Maine, UVM...and Fartford.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 02, 2018, 05:15:59 pm
Hopefully not a painful experience  tomorrow night. Hey we are  wearing 1978 throwback uniforms in celebration of reaching the Div 3 Final 4 in 1978.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: ry1nik on February 02, 2018, 06:58:31 pm
Hopefully not a painful experience  tomorrow night. Hey we are  wearing 1978 throwback uniforms in celebration of reaching the Div 3 Final 4 in 1978.
That D3 team might be able to beat this team.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 02, 2018, 08:02:25 pm
LOL 
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 03, 2018, 12:34:49 pm
Please don’t laugh - that 1977-1978 team was special. I should know, I was an UG then and followed them in that old gym. Earl Keith was dominant, Wayne Wright got a tryout with the Knicks (wound up playing in Europe), and Larry Tillery was the best point guard ever to don a Stony Brook uniform. That team could have played and competed in the AE today. It was one of those freak things; all those talented kids playing in a DIII program. Ron Bash, their coach, wasn’t a player’s Coach. I remember him taking the air out of the ball and going 4-corners (anyone remember that term?) for almost the entire 2nd half, in their NCAA quarterfinal game; yes, this was pre-shot-clock era. Wish I could be at tonight’s game, but have some family obligations going on.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Moveitfred on February 03, 2018, 01:46:43 pm
Please don’t laugh - that 1977-1978 team was special. I should know, I was an UG then and followed them in that old gym. Earl Keith was dominant, Wayne Wright got a tryout with the Knicks (wound up playing in Europe), and Larry Tillery was the best point guard ever to don a Stony Brook uniform. That team could have played and competed in the AE today. It was one of those freak things; all those talented kids playing in a DIII program. Ron Bash, their coach, wasn’t a player’s Coach. I remember him taking the air out of the ball and going 4-corners (anyone remember that term?) for almost the entire 2nd half, in their NCAA quarterfinal game; yes, this was pre-shot-clock era. Wish I could be at tonight’s game, but have some family obligations going on.

Awesome, and I wish we could see a highlight reel of this team. Have to assume the shorts were pretty short, too, and wondering if we'll see that look tonight. That year I was getting my butt kicked a couple times a week by a few future NBAers in the high school conference I was in, many time zones from here. Those were the days....
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 03, 2018, 02:00:12 pm
Please don’t laugh - that 1977-1978 team was special. I should know, I was an UG then and followed them in that old gym. Earl Keith was dominant, Wayne Wright got a tryout with the Knicks (wound up playing in Europe), and Larry Tillery was the best point guard ever to don a Stony Brook uniform. That team could have played and competed in the AE today. It was one of those freak things; all those talented kids playing in a DIII program. Ron Bash, their coach, wasn’t a player’s Coach. I remember him taking the air out of the ball and going 4-corners (anyone remember that term?) for almost the entire 2nd half, in their NCAA quarterfinal game; yes, this was pre-shot-clock era. Wish I could be at tonight’s game, but have some family obligations going on.

Awesome, and I wish we could see a highlight reel of this team. Have to assume the shorts were pretty short, too, and wondering if we'll see that look tonight. That year I was getting my butt kicked a couple times a week by a few future NBAers in the high school conference I was in, many time zones from here. Those were the days....

Man, I wish that existed; I would love to see those highlights.  I remember the NCAA tournament games were shown around campus on "closed-circuit TV" (remember that?), and I remember watching the quarterfinal win vs. Brandeis, but for the life of me, I cannot remember who we lost to in the semis.  We played in the dusty old gym, which subsequently got refurbished into the auxiliary gym, where Pikiell's team played in for a few years, while the main stadium got refurbished.  They had high-school-like bleachers, and I remember attendance that year being measured at consistently 2,000+ per game (which was pretty cool for the era and venue).  Yeah, the shorts were short, but that was par for the course back then. 

What state did you play HS ball in?   I'm going to guess CA, based on your comment.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 03, 2018, 03:02:50 pm
anyone have photos the uniforms anywhere?  old or new!

widener and albion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_NCAA_Division_III_Basketball_Tournament#Championship_Rounds
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 03, 2018, 03:17:31 pm
anyone have photos the uniforms anywhere?  old or new!

widener and albion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_NCAA_Division_III_Basketball_Tournament#Championship_Rounds

Nice link reference!  Widener.....ughh!
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Moveitfred on February 03, 2018, 05:17:16 pm
I bet the old gym was rockin' back for that run! If we only had a time machine.

Yes, CA and LA area. We wore short shorts and played hard.  :)
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: ry1nik on February 03, 2018, 06:27:24 pm
Please don’t laugh - that 1977-1978 team was special. I should know, I was an UG then and followed them in that old gym. Earl Keith was dominant, Wayne Wright got a tryout with the Knicks (wound up playing in Europe), and Larry Tillery was the best point guard ever to don a Stony Brook uniform. That team could have played and competed in the AE today. It was one of those freak things; all those talented kids playing in a DIII program. Ron Bash, their coach, wasn’t a player’s Coach. I remember him taking the air out of the ball and going 4-corners (anyone remember that term?) for almost the entire 2nd half, in their NCAA quarterfinal game; yes, this was pre-shot-clock era. Wish I could be at tonight’s game, but have some family obligations going on.
Ah I was an undergrad then too. Earl Keith was a 6’5” center but had a dominant inside game like Warney did and I think led D3 in FG%. Tilley has a sweet jumper.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 03, 2018, 06:43:53 pm
Please don’t laugh - that 1977-1978 team was special. I should know, I was an UG then and followed them in that old gym. Earl Keith was dominant, Wayne Wright got a tryout with the Knicks (wound up playing in Europe), and Larry Tillery was the best point guard ever to don a Stony Brook uniform. That team could have played and competed in the AE today. It was one of those freak things; all those talented kids playing in a DIII program. Ron Bash, their coach, wasn’t a player’s Coach. I remember him taking the air out of the ball and going 4-corners (anyone remember that term?) for almost the entire 2nd half, in their NCAA quarterfinal game; yes, this was pre-shot-clock era. Wish I could be at tonight’s game, but have some family obligations going on.
Ah I was an undergrad then too. Earl Keith was a 6’5” center but had a dominant inside game like Warney did and I think led D3 in FG%. Tilley has a sweet jumper.

I believe you’re correct about Keith. Tillery died a number of years ago-he could definitely score and dish; exceptional quickness. Only 5’10” if I recall correctly. Joe Castiglie was a great 6th man off the bench too.

The next season they were undefeated and #1 in the country until their last game of the season, and then lost in the 1st round of NCAA’s at home to Potsdam, I recall.

Ok, enough nastalgia; let’s hope we can turn things around tonight against a hot Hartford team.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: guest282 on February 03, 2018, 09:24:59 pm
Have a great summer everyone.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Tml on February 03, 2018, 09:55:00 pm
Approaching 20 losses.  This isn’t working. 
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 03, 2018, 10:15:14 pm
This is a disaster I cant believe what I saw tonight .  Somebody better  turn this ship around quickly ,
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Checkmate on February 03, 2018, 11:59:31 pm
We just can't shoot or score with kind of consistency. Hartford's offense looked like an orchestra and ours like a garage band. Hartford just has such a nice nucleus with Lynch, Dunne, Carroll and even Blagojevic off the bench. Dunne 39 minutes, Lynch 36, Carroll 34.

Hartford cashed in on so many basket cuts either to or through Carroll. It was great to see. They ran the same play on back to back possessions in a big spot, resulting in two uncontested layups. With Pikiell, scoring points was like wringing a towel at times, and this feels similar. I don't recall feeling this way last year.

A friend says "if you look at the Kent State playbook from 10 years ago, we run the exact same plays," suggesting that Ford is the brains behind the offense.

For those who missed it, Boals sent out three freshmen to start the game. It didn't have the desired effect. All we did was trail 4-2 at the first media timeout, and we didn't score a bucket until we were 6:05 in. In the end, though, I like that we played the guys who seem like they care the most: Olaniyi 39, Yeboah 36, Iroegbu 32. UC's probably our #2 option right now – not ideal but at least he's being aggressive. This was Elijah's best game. He was all over the place, and he'll be a good player for us.

On the other hand, this was Cornish's worst game. You just sense that he's deflated and Boals is frustrated. He got a quick hook on a couple of occasions, and sat the last 6-8 minutes in favor of McKenzie.

5 for 16 on threes in the first half; 2 for 19 in the second. 7 for ***35*** overall. We handily won the turnover battle and took 19 more shots than Hartford, yet lost by nine. Pathetic no matter how you look at it.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 04, 2018, 03:25:24 am
Not watching anymore games this season. The outcome was what I expected (a loss), but the reactions in this thread make the loss seem even worse than the score would indicate. Not good.

I'm actually excited for spring sports this season as I believe our WLAX team has a legitimate shot at a national title. Even in WLAX that'd be a great win for the school. Basketball is terrible this season, but even some of the best programs have down years. All things considered, we had a good run from 09-2016, so I really can't complain too much.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Hammertime on February 04, 2018, 06:25:01 am
We just can't shoot or score with kind of consistency. Hartford's offense looked like an orchestra and ours like a garage band. Hartford just has such a nice nucleus with Lynch, Dunne, Carroll and even Blagojevic off the bench. Dunne 39 minutes, Lynch 36, Carroll 34.

Hartford cashed in on so many basket cuts either to or through Carroll. It was great to see. They ran the same play on back to back possessions in a big spot, resulting in two uncontested layups. With Pikiell, scoring points was like wringing a towel at times, and this feels similar. I don't recall feeling this way last year.

A friend says "if you look at the Kent State playbook from 10 years ago, we run the exact same plays," suggesting that Ford is the brains behind the offense.

For those who missed it, Boals sent out three freshmen to start the game. It didn't have the desired effect. All we did was trail 4-2 at the first media timeout, and we didn't score a bucket until we were 6:05 in. In the end, though, I like that we played the guys who seem like they care the most: Olaniyi 39, Yeboah 36, Iroegbu 32. UC's probably our #2 option right now – not ideal but at least he's being aggressive. This was Elijah's best game. He was all over the place, and he'll be a good player for us.

On the other hand, this was Cornish's worst game. You just sense that he's deflated and Boals is frustrated. He got a quick hook on a couple of occasions, and sat the last 6-8 minutes in favor of McKenzie.

5 for 16 on threes in the first half; 2 for 19 in the second. 7 for ***35*** overall. We handily won the turnover battle and took 19 more shots than Hartford, yet lost by nine. Pathetic no matter how you look at it.
I like the idea Boals started his Freshmans for this game. It just gives you a glimpse how next season is going to be.

Coach Boals and Ford can't recruit. You saw that tonight with a few of them on the floor.I feel like Cornish and McKenzie are not D1 players, not by a long shot.. SB has 6 Freshmans coming in next seasons.. O'boy, this program is going to be in trouble for years to come....
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 04, 2018, 09:11:16 am
I read that only 4 former players showed up from the 1977-78 Final Four team.  Besides Earl Keith, who was inducted into the Stony Brook Sports Hall of Fame, does anyone know the other 3 players that showed up and were honored?
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Moveitfred on February 04, 2018, 09:14:08 am

 All things considered, we had a good run from 09-2016, so I really can't complain too much.

Guess only time will tell, but wondering if this year is a down-year blip or perhaps where this program is and we're in for a long rebuild. In hindsight it feels more and more like a lot of energy went into the Warney run-up that squeaked us into one tournament, and maybe last year we were just lucky to have a supreme floor leader who willed us to a bunch of wins in close games.

In the best cases players grow and mature at a reasonable rate, and I have a hard time imagining the returning players at SBU in the near future (no matter the freshman coming in) suddenly hanging with the always top two programs or pretty much the entire Hartford team coming back.

Kudos to Hartford. They look good this year, and I really hope somebody can push UVM at least a little bit down the stretch.

Yeah, a lot of down faces and frustration among SBU players *and* coaches right now. For anyone still hanging around to watch the final games this year, feels like it's going to be more of the same.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Hammertime on February 04, 2018, 09:45:17 am
I tried to post today's Newsday article of SB media coverage and Hofstra media coverage of yesterday game, but this Forum is very sensitive and won't allow me, anyway. Hofstra has a full, 2 page article  and SB has about 1/5 of a page and about a 25 second read. If somebody on this forum has the "know how" with posting the two games, please feel free to do so. I find it very sad that SB athletics are just sitting back and doing nothing to change this problem...

I feel like this university is going backwards as far a getting the brand name out there, win or lose ..
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 04, 2018, 10:58:40 am

 All things considered, we had a good run from 09-2016, so I really can't complain too much.

Guess only time will tell, but wondering if this year is a down-year blip or perhaps where this program is and we're in for a long rebuild. In hindsight it feels more and more like a lot of energy went into the Warney run-up that squeaked us into one tournament, and maybe last year we were just lucky to have a supreme floor leader who willed us to a bunch of wins in close games.

In the best cases players grow and mature at a reasonable rate, and I have a hard time imagining the returning players at SBU in the near future (no matter the freshman coming in) suddenly hanging with the always top two programs or pretty much the entire Hartford team coming back.

Kudos to Hartford. They look good this year, and I really hope somebody can push UVM at least a little bit down the stretch.

Yeah, a lot of down faces and frustration among SBU players *and* coaches right now. For anyone still hanging around to watch the final games this year, feels like it's going to be more of the same.

The team looks lost, the HC looks lost, and we are bewildered.  We overachieved last year, beyond anyone's expectations, but certainly our floor leader was the rock and stabilizing force for the team.  Given that Boals inherited a team that lost 4 of the starting 5 from the Championship team, I thought he did a masterful job, but maybe in retrospect, lots had to due with Lucas and Roland, and the leadership that they brought to the table.

As a team, we looked much better in our OOC games than in our Conference games this year.  That is, we have regressed as the season has progressed.  Is it possible that we are missing Sekunda more than we realize?   The horrific shooting from the field and FT line begs for a shooter or 2 to emerge.  Not sure what the rest of you guys think, but every missed shot and turnover seems to be magnified 3x to me.  I guess that's what happens when you are struggling as a team unit.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 04, 2018, 11:32:25 am
Our guys again keep looking to the bench guidance . Like what do we do now coach and stop self coaching . More than one player was coaching on the floor as the game went on  Play the game . Our guys are really lost out there . We did look better in November and December we have gone backwards since then .
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 04, 2018, 12:44:21 pm
anyone want to talk about our three point game?  you know i do
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 04, 2018, 01:04:46 pm

 All things considered, we had a good run from 09-2016, so I really can't complain too much.

Guess only time will tell, but wondering if this year is a down-year blip or perhaps where this program is and we're in for a long rebuild. In hindsight it feels more and more like a lot of energy went into the Warney run-up that squeaked us into one tournament, and maybe last year we were just lucky to have a supreme floor leader who willed us to a bunch of wins in close games.

In the best cases players grow and mature at a reasonable rate, and I have a hard time imagining the returning players at SBU in the near future (no matter the freshman coming in) suddenly hanging with the always top two programs or pretty much the entire Hartford team coming back.

Kudos to Hartford. They look good this year, and I really hope somebody can push UVM at least a little bit down the stretch.

Yeah, a lot of down faces and frustration among SBU players *and* coaches right now. For anyone still hanging around to watch the final games this year, feels like it's going to be more of the same.

We had turned the corner as a program and began competing for the AE before Warney got here though. Maybe it's the players, the coaching, or both that are missing right now, but we won't be down long. We have the largest athletic budget in this conference by a considerable margin and have great facilities, and a great athletic reputation. We're playing in the America East, not the Big East. We won't be down for very long. These next couple seasons will be rough I'd imagine, but we'll get this thing turned around before long. The football team will just have to step up and carry the banner for the university (which is how it should be anyway).
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Moveitfred on February 04, 2018, 01:13:28 pm
anyone want to talk about our three point game?  you know i do

I posted in the UMBC thread they were at .342, and now they're at .333. Of course this is for the year, and this continual drop is magnified recently against some okay/average percentages early on.

This is flat out just a very poor shooting team. What about our mid-range game? Our layup game? Heck, even our dunk game (if such a stat existed, we might even have the worst dunk percentage in the country!). The beginning of the game last night was simply laughable in terms of SBU misses, but was anyone surprised?

Just out of curiosity I went back to what seems like it was the beginning of the end this season--The Norfolk game. SBU's shooting percentages first half vs second half were:

FG/3pt/FT

46%/44%/89% (yeah!) vs 26%/18%/56% (clank...). Just seems indicative of about everything since. They fall behind and try to shoot their way back, but they can't shoot. Vicious cycle of failure.
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 04, 2018, 01:18:57 pm
yeah but the % is only half the story, right.  we missed 28 shots that were low % to begin with. 

we defer right to the desperation shot.  no attempt to even pass or penetrate and force the defense to play us.  its like a pickup game of high school all stars just wanting to shoot shoot shoot.  no one wants to rebound or get physical.

im not saying this would work- if we were to play slow and steady and take high percentage shots and keep the defense honest- but heck isnt worth a try?  let's see what happens maybe???

or are we ok missing 28 of those desperation shots in front of 3500 fans against hartford?

PS loss 17 is coming against UML
Title: Re: Game 24: vs. Hartford 2/3
Post by: Moveitfred on February 04, 2018, 02:23:10 pm
Like Checkmate has said, I don't think we're going to see any radical changes this season beyond stuff like what we saw last night with some new starters, but overall minutes and approach to games and shooting won't change.

I'm not saying this is the right move, but my best guess is this in terms of hopes/philosophy for what's left:

As poor as they've been, SBU has not (yet) been blown out in the AE. You could argue that with a few breaks and a few shots falling we've been *right there* about every game. Hey, I'm not saying I'd be convinced by that argument, but I think you could make it and from a program approach standpoint it's probably the safest/best argument to make right now. Keep on with what you think is the right thing to do.

So you keep plugging along and what happens?

SBU loses the rest of its games. Quite possible, and of course worst case scenario. Okay, so you say to the masses "We had some tough breaks, played a lot of young guys without experience, and need to get better at X, Y, Z...."

But what if, just what if, especially come AE playoffs the trend shifts and SBU starts hitting just average percentages and doing a few more things right? Possible, right? And if that happens (AE remember) they're right back to maybe winning a first round game (if they don't draw UVM) and we think "Okay, well they ended on a higher note...." Or, they super-duper pull things together and win two games (I'm thinking even if they didn't draw UVM in game 1 they'd likely get them in a game 2, so this probably is not at all likely, but still...) and we think, "Wow, now they over-achieved and something must be good going into next year!"

Anyway, yeah, rambling but I guess what I'm trying to say is we ain't going to see anything different this year (probably not any year with the same HC) and the best hope is playing that early morning AE Saturday game in March as a "Cinderella team" on ESPN2 against UVM or UA. Anything less than that and you play the "we have more work to do" card and come back next year.

But what do *I* think SBU should do in terms of 3 pters? I'd like it if Ty, Saintel, Mac, Garcia, and Petras (Petras?!!) never shoot another one all year. I'd like it if Cornish and Olaniyi each take no more than two wide open ones each game (and zero is fine). And I'd like it if Yeboah and UC take as many open ones as they want (heck, why not). If Sekunda comes back, he can take a few (I'll text him the number allowed if he suits up this year  ;D)