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Title: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Checkmate on January 29, 2018, 02:53:21 pm
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Record:
15-8 (6-2 America East)
Last Game: W, 86-74, vs. Maine 1/27
Last 10: 7-3
Last Meeting: UMBC 65-52 on 2/22/17; Nyama team-high 22, team shot 29.6% from the field
CM Unofficial Line: pick 'em
KenPom RPI: Stony Brook 224, UMBC 201
KenPom Prediction: Stony Brook 69, UMBC 67
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Notables:
6-2/175 gs G Jairus Lyles 21.1 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 4.2 apg, 2.2 spg, .820 FT%, .427 3-pt FG%
6-5/225 so G Arkel Lamar 12.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.2 spg, .455 3-pt FG%
6-6/215 jr F Joe Sherburne 10.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, .479 FG%, .455 3-pt FG%
5-8/140 sr G KJ Maura 10.0 ppg, 5.3 apg, 2.1 spg, .800 FT%, .438 3-pt FG%
6-2/190 sr G Jourdan Grant 7.5 ppg, 3.0 apg
6-8/205 fr F Daniel Akin 3.3 ppg, 2.6 ppg, .683 FG%

First off, there's a good chance that UMBC will be without Lamar, who's risen from a reserve to a key piece of UMBC's success. However, he hurt his ankle during or after the Albany game, and has missed the last two. I wouldn't mind if he took a few days to heal up.

We know all about the guards, who are at least in the discussion with TBH/Duncan and Nichols/Cremo for best backcourt in the conference. Lyles is capable of monster nights, like the 34-point effort he had on Saturday against Maine – which helped him secure AE Player of the Week honors. He's had four games over 30 this season, including a 31-point night at Arizona in November. I think it's one of those things where you're happy with him getting 20 but don't want him to have one of those outrageous nights. He can score anywhere from in close to downtown, and also, he's killed us from the line even if it hasn't yielded many wins. Maura is exactly what we need – a floor general who can shoot. They'll be on the floor for about 34 minutes apiece on Wednesday.

But they need a supporting cast. Akin has recently emerged as a force inside for UMBC, going for 9 points and a career-high 10 rebounds against Maine in a career-high 27 minutes. Pair that with his 8 and 8 night against Binghamton and he earned his first AE Rookie of the Week nod. Based on what I've seen, he isn't terribly gifted offensively but is an athlete and gives them good energy underneath. That's enough for me.

I thought we had a great first half defensively against Albany, and I won't even complain about the second half – Nichols got hot and we stopped scoring. We have to defend the three here. UMBC averages more than 28 three-point attempts a night, and rightfully so – they're making them at a 40 percent clip, so about 11 per game. Look at those numbers from their top four scorers – yikes. So, as you might have guessed, that's how UMBC lost 83-39 at Albany last week. They went 2 for 20 from three and got manhandled on the glass, 40-23. Get out and defend and we have a chance.

By the way, we beat UMBC 83-39 back in 2013, holding them to 10 second-half points and finishing on a 69-16 run. We were actually down 23-14 at one point in that game. Think about that.

If UMBC wins, it will be their first win at our place since 2008.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Seawolf97 on January 29, 2018, 03:05:37 pm
 Jay Greene  and Brian Dougher had some great duals when we played UMBC .  More than once they beat us especially at their place . Both guys have moved on and UMBC is rebuilding a respectable program .  Could be a tough night again for SBU .
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on January 30, 2018, 12:10:35 pm
"Lyles and UMBC should be a fun team to watch" is kind of where my head is at with SBU right now. Hope it's a good game. There's also the fact that this is still the AE and there are 8 games plus playoffs left.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 31, 2018, 07:17:37 pm
Better start doubling Lyles or he’ll be dropping 40 tonight
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 31, 2018, 07:22:11 pm
thats one side of the ball.

on the other- were on pace to break 30 tonight.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 31, 2018, 07:49:22 pm
we were abysmal for 15min.  then we came alive for about 90sec (mostly yeboah) to tie.  he's 7/7 at the line and 2/5 from three. 

hey what's that thing called where BC takes the ball and throws it from one player to another?

Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 31, 2018, 08:44:30 pm
I’m just so disgusted with this FT shooting!
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 31, 2018, 08:48:27 pm
Why did Boals stop with the trapping that worked so well getting them back in the game and giving the team some needed energy?
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Checkmate on January 31, 2018, 08:59:37 pm
That’s the play out of the timeout? That’s what was drawn up?


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Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 31, 2018, 09:00:42 pm
Watching this team is pain...

I think I need to just stop. It's a lost season anyway.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 31, 2018, 09:02:17 pm
Are u kidding me on that last possession? Off a timeout? What a horrible coaching job.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 31, 2018, 09:12:24 pm
so we lose by four at home.  here's the questions im asking-

we shot 10/18 on the stripe (an improvement!), shall we work on this? 

we opened the game with 1 of 9 threes and kept shooting them, finishing 7/26.  anyone think with those 19 misses we couldve taken a two and maybe hit it, maybe twice?  combine that with 5 offensive rebounds and we simply do not have a chance to win.

with seconds left down 2, we got the ball to our big, standing well behind the NBA arc for a hail mary.  i guess there's no real question here. 

our starting big goes 1/5 from three.  and 1/5 from two.  no fouls drawn, 4 TOs.  do we even want an inside presence?  lyles pulls 9 boards?  maura three???

outside presence- lyles is great, but 21 attempts plus 6 more from three?  the only had the ball for 20min!

another conference game that we deserved to lose, which is now every conference game we've played in. 
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Hammertime on January 31, 2018, 09:33:38 pm
Are u kidding me on that last possession? Off a timeout? What a horrible coaching job.
Exactly. This is becoming a regular occurrence with This coach. He stinks. There a I called it.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 31, 2018, 09:47:50 pm
Are u kidding me on that last possession? Off a timeout? What a horrible coaching job.
Exactly. This is becoming a regular occurrence with This coach. He stinks. There a I called it.

I hate to bash, but after the masterful job he did last year, he’s taken a large step backwards this year. Dubious player rotations, allowing his kids to take questionable shots, poor offensive flow, horrible end-of-game play design, etc. Very frustrating since IMO, we have more individual talent on this team than we did last year. Yeah, we desperately miss Woodhouse’s leadership, but this boulder is picking up steam heading downhill, and appears to be out of control.

P.S. can we dedicate an entire practice to just FT shooting please? I’ll even volunteer my time to teach technique.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on January 31, 2018, 10:02:41 pm
Probably Bing has the cellar wrapped up, but a real battle building among UML, SBU, and Maine for the privilege of playing UVM in the first round of the AE playoffs.

All the same stuff that needs fixin' still needs fixin' for SBU. As noted there is some serious discord right now in any waning pressure situation. Timeout, no timeout...doesn't seem to make a difference. It just looks like mass confusion and desperation out there.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 31, 2018, 10:10:25 pm
maine's down there too.  and in the coming weeks, we have a three game stretch against UML, bing, and maine.  we probably wont win them all but will have a chance to move out of the 8 seed.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Seawolf97 on January 31, 2018, 10:17:17 pm
I saw  UC , Cornish, Mc Kenzie all checking the sidelines tonight like whats next coach .   Ochefu outscored Sturdi   3-4 .  I think once he gets his confidence he will be  a factor next year.  This team is really just 5 guys taking shots hoping for the best . No leadership on the floor at all .  Turnovers I think we had 16 tonight  and 56 % from the FT line killed any hope of a win .
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on January 31, 2018, 10:32:53 pm
I saw  UC , Cornish, Mc Kenzie all checking the sidelines tonight like whats next coach .   Ochefu outscored Sturdi   3-4 .  I think once he gets his confidence he will be  a factor next year. 

Full disclosure:

Among the long-time fans around me tonight our discussion was primarily about next year: Who's coming back, what we might look like, the possibilities.... The vibe was pretty clearcut--this season feels over (even with all these games left).

It's been a long time since SBU wasn't seriously in contention somewhere at or near the top of the AE mix. Frustrating as fans as we probably like to think of this program as tailing right behind UVM and UA with a goal of surpassing them both, but this year feels like a big setback. Some combination of coaching/personnel/execution is just off.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: guest282 on January 31, 2018, 11:44:44 pm
There was nothing I saw tonight that made me think Albany UMBC has better players than SB. In fact if I was an Albany UMBC fan, I'd probably think if SB ever got it's act together, they'd be very difficult to beat in the AE tournament.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: steveoh on February 01, 2018, 01:09:49 am
First off, if we were just terrible at the free line instead of horrific, we'd have four more wins. We're so close. I feel like we're outplaying teams, but just not capitalizing on that from the line. 

I think we're playing the style of ball (pace and space from deep) that Coach Boals wants to play and is, honestly, the smart way to play in this modern version of basketball.

The problem is that we just don't have shooters. Yeboah, for sure, and Sekunda every couple of games or so, and then U.C. every blue moon, but that's it, and that's just not enough. And yet, we're so close, a couple of free throws away. Honestly.

A team that can't shoot free throws isn't going to make threes. That's basic. You can't find a poor free throw shooter who excels from deep. And we have a bunch of bad free throw shooters on our roster right now. It takes a ton of work to improve. That's what the offseason is for.

And even though his roster right now doesn't fit what he wants to do, I don't think he should adjust his style this season. We're playing for next year anyway. Boals recruited Olanyi and Cornish and McKenzie and Long, knowing the style he wants to play. Let's hope they pick up their shooting in their debut seasons, and that this is just an acclimation period (I think Olanyi is gonna be a big player for us, btw, from deep or not). You can throw Garcia in there too. He's shaking his rust off.

Let's assume Latimer and Ceesay (and Moor) can shoot, otherwise I don't know why he'd sign them. Let's see Chef play more because he's gonna man the middle next year. And once Yeboah learns how to play aggressively without fouling, he becomes our constant.

I still believe in Boals.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on February 01, 2018, 06:49:23 am


The problem is that we just don't have shooters.



Yes. Even the Gold Coast Bank Three Point Shot is not falling this year. It's like the flu, and nobody's been vaccinated.

I hope MacKenzie puts in some serious work on a shot this off season. I like that he's been playing more, and while he makes his mistakes I get a sense he could be some version of a more settling floor general like Woodhouse was.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Hammertime on February 01, 2018, 09:19:03 am
I agree that some people think coach Boals needs to start thinking about next season. This season is lost despite what he said yesterday after the game.. For starters. As much as i like Sturdi as a person he never really progressed to be a better player. make him a bench guy. I want to see more of Ochefu. He showed a little bit more yesterday with his defense but his offense needs more work. Playing time should help. Also, more playing time for Garcia and Long.. Garcia is as raw as an egg on ice. He needs to get the two year old bench cobwebs out of his ears..Basically, SB should be playing more bench guys and less seniors. Which will never happen.. And why isn't Boals playing Almonancy?? Is he being punished?

My opinion so far of coach Boals is leaning towards him not being a HC but more of a Assistant coach. I am starting to think he doesnt have what it takes to be a HC yet, and why should $SB wait until he becomes better, eventually!! Give coach B one more season after this and if no improvement, time for the boot!!!

 
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 01, 2018, 09:19:46 am


The problem is that we just don't have shooters.


I hope MacKenzie puts in some serious work on a shot this off season. I like that he's been playing more, and while he makes his mistakes I get a sense he could be some version of a more settling floor general like Woodhouse was.

Not sure if it's Freshman nerves or not, but I find that he often doesn't dribble with his head up, and has a propensity to look at the ball at times while he's dribbling.  This was very evident when Maura picked his pocket last night.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 01, 2018, 09:23:56 am
I agree that some people think coach Boals needs to start thinking about next season. This season is lost despite what he said yesterday after the game.. For starters. As much as i like Sturdi as a person he never really progressed to be a better player. make him a bench guy. I want to see more of Ochefu. He showed a little bit more yesterday with his defense but his offense needs more work. Playing time should help. Also, more playing time for Garcia and Long.. Garcia is as raw as an egg on ice. He needs to get the two year old bench cobwebs out of his ears..Basically, SB should be playing more bench guys and less seniors. Which will never happen.. And why isn't Boals playing Almonancy?? Is he being punished?

My opinion so far of coach Boals is leaning towards him not being a HC but more of a Assistant coach. I am starting to think he doesnt have what it takes to be a HC yet, and why should $SB wait until he becomes better, eventually!! Give coach B one more season after this and if no improvement, time for the boot!!!

Not sure why Almonacy has become the forgotten man.  I think he has better ball handling skills and has more potential for scoring that McKenzie, but that's just my opinion.  Although Garcia has been out of the loop for 2 years, he hasn't shown me anything thus far - he is largely out of control on shots, and his hands (pass receiving) have been really poor to date.  Overall, Boals needs to do a better job.  He can't shoot FT's for the kids, but he can teach and emphasize more in practice.  His rotations and play calling is something that he can control, and I give him a C to C- in that area of coaching this year.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 01, 2018, 09:43:17 am
I saw  UC , Cornish, Mc Kenzie all checking the sidelines tonight like whats next coach .   Ochefu outscored Sturdi   3-4 .  I think once he gets his confidence he will be  a factor next year.  This team is really just 5 guys taking shots hoping for the best . No leadership on the floor at all .  Turnovers I think we had 16 tonight  and 56 % from the FT line killed any hope of a win .

i hope so.  and i hope that christie works out too, because we otherwise will have the same problems next year. 

unless we get a transfer. 

i have to admit we are AWFULLY light on bigs, both on the roster and coming in.  i cannot figure out why.  is this intentional?  are we having trouble landing bigs?  keeping bigs?  having our bigs play as a big?  should UML be beating us in the paint???
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 01, 2018, 09:46:22 am
First off, if we were just terrible at the free line instead of horrific, we'd have four more wins. We're so close. I feel like we're outplaying teams, but just not capitalizing on that from the line. 

I think we're playing the style of ball (pace and space from deep) that Coach Boals wants to play and is, honestly, the smart way to play in this modern version of basketball.

The problem is that we just don't have shooters. Yeboah, for sure, and Sekunda every couple of games or so, and then U.C. every blue moon, but that's it, and that's just not enough. And yet, we're so close, a couple of free throws away. Honestly.

A team that can't shoot free throws isn't going to make threes. That's basic. You can't find a poor free throw shooter who excels from deep. And we have a bunch of bad free throw shooters on our roster right now. It takes a ton of work to improve. That's what the offseason is for.

And even though his roster right now doesn't fit what he wants to do, I don't think he should adjust his style this season. We're playing for next year anyway. Boals recruited Olanyi and Cornish and McKenzie and Long, knowing the style he wants to play. Let's hope they pick up their shooting in their debut seasons, and that this is just an acclimation period (I think Olanyi is gonna be a big player for us, btw, from deep or not). You can throw Garcia in there too. He's shaking his rust off.

Let's assume Latimer and Ceesay (and Moor) can shoot, otherwise I don't know why he'd sign them. Let's see Chef play more because he's gonna man the middle next year. And once Yeboah learns how to play aggressively without fouling, he becomes our constant.

I still believe in Boals.

i agree with a lot of this- but as i have mentioned before, in 9 conference games, which did we deserve to win?  zero, i argue.

what do you like about taking nearly 30 threes a game and missing about 75% of them?  some of which are from our big.  with no inside presence to create a second chance or putback.

im actually going to assume that our incoming players cant shoot.  what evidence or reason leads us to believe otherwise???
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on February 01, 2018, 10:24:30 am

what do you like about taking nearly 30 threes a game and missing about 75% of them?  some of which are from our big.  with no inside presence to create a second chance or putback.



For whatever it's worth, a few 3 pt team stat lines to date (2017-18 season) to compare to SBU:

Oklahoma (with "the next Curry" Young cranking up a lot)  228-575  .397

Duke   186-481  .387

Gonzaga (the mid-major we all want to be)  216-588  .367

(pound it inside) U Albany  130-360  .361

SBU  192-562  .342


Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 01, 2018, 10:26:57 am
those teams rebound.  those teams have their big (multiple) in the paint, playing physical, and taking boards.  those teams win.  we lost to UML.  gimme some stats on where a three pointer got us a win that propelled us into something other than the CBI or AE tourney.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 01, 2018, 10:49:47 am
As far as 3 point plays I watched the Duke -Notre Dame the other night .  Yes both had there 3s but both teams shot in 70s from the free throw line not 56 % .  Big difference  and neither team had 16 turnovers another big difference .  We can shoot threes  when everything else is going our way but for now drive into the basket and try and score. Going to be interesting to see who Boals  offers the last scholarship to for next season . I hope he is 6'8 or taller.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Checkmate on February 01, 2018, 10:54:13 am
so we lose by four at home.  here's the questions im asking-

we shot 10/18 on the stripe (an improvement!), shall we work on this? 

we opened the game with 1 of 9 threes and kept shooting them, finishing 7/26.  anyone think with those 19 misses we couldve taken a two and maybe hit it, maybe twice?  combine that with 5 offensive rebounds and we simply do not have a chance to win.

with seconds left down 2, we got the ball to our big, standing well behind the NBA arc for a hail mary.  i guess there's no real question here. 

our starting big goes 1/5 from three.  and 1/5 from two. no fouls drawn, 4 TOs.  do we even want an inside presence?  lyles pulls 9 boards?  maura three???

outside presence- lyles is great, but 21 attempts plus 6 more from three?  the only had the ball for 20min!

another conference game that we deserved to lose, which is now every conference game we've played in.

Just a heads up, Ty took five shots total, all from three. Zero shots inside the arc. Ty's last-second chuck was the result of there being no Plan B when Plan A – to get it to Yeboah on the block – was denied. Just horrible.

And of Lyles' 21 shots, he was 9 for 15 from two, 1 for 6 from three.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 01, 2018, 11:00:48 am
yeah i wasnt sure if those stats were cumulative or not- thanks for the correction.  still a bad story either way!

so for our big, out of 6 shots, all taken from three.  nearly all missed.  including the last one.

its implied below but what is the benefit here- no inside presence, no boards, no scoring, no outside shooting- all turnovers. 
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on February 01, 2018, 11:18:29 am
those teams rebound.  those teams have their big (multiple) in the paint, playing physical, and taking boards.  those teams win.  we lost to UML.  gimme some stats on where a three pointer got us a win that propelled us into something other than the CBI or AE tourney.

Yes, exactly. Interesting to see the numbers as, obviously, this is the culture of the game. And while SBU's threes seem horrific and untimely, statistically they're not too far off what the whole gang is up to these days. But there are certainly a lot of other moving and supporting parts to the game not going well for SBU right now that make cranking up so many threes a questionable approach.

Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on February 01, 2018, 11:25:45 am

Just a heads up, Ty took five shots total, all from three. Zero shots inside the arc. Ty's last-second chuck was the result of there being no Plan B when Plan A – to get it to Yeboah on the block – was denied. Just horrible.

And of Lyles' 21 shots, he was 9 for 15 from two, 1 for 6 from three.

That last play out of a timeout really was a horrible palm-to-forehead moment (especially added to the other recent games with essentially the same event and outcome). Not only was the best guess that the ball would go to Yeboah on the block, but to have what appeared to be the other four players just standing there and staring at Yeboah with seemingly no other option discussed was...ugh, just really had me wondering if this stuff is even practiced, or the SBU players just can't remember, or if its a youth/poise factor?
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 01, 2018, 11:41:54 am
why move, when the guy with the ball is just going to shoot?  :D
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Moveitfred on February 01, 2018, 11:49:29 am
why move, when the guy with the ball is just going to shoot?  :D

When the ref was handing over the ball to be in-bounded my friend whispered, "This is when SBU throws the ball to the other team."

Well...at least they did get a shot off this game!
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 01, 2018, 12:08:58 pm
sigh.

i know rebounding is an unsexy job.  and baby hooks and layups are the same. 

if we cant do that- how about passing?  anyone see BC flick the ball around against our 23 zone???
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Checkmate on February 01, 2018, 12:44:53 pm
The most stark difference between us and UMBC was the ball movement. Did you see the way they swung the ball around? Because we were stuck were stuck in molasses, we were actually lucky to be in it late because they had a million open wide-open looks from three but they didn't go down. Maura and Lyles could do whatever they want and go wherever they wanted to. We just don't have those guys.

We are now shooting a league-worst 57.6% from the free throw line. Fewest makes, third-fewest attempts. Just some killer misses from UC when were trying to go in front. 42-42, missed two. Down 58-56, missed two. We were 3 for 10 on free throws in the second half.

But but but wait it gets worse! If I did the math right ...

Conference totals – first half
3-pointers: 39 for 104 (.375)
Free throws: 42 for 64 (.657)

Conference totals – second half
3-pointers: 27 for 107 (.252)
Free throws: 39 for 77 (.507)

Those are some big-time bricks being thrown up with the game on the line! I'd love to know what our second half FT totals when we're up/down two points or tied.

Mac played some good minutes. I could see Maura picking his pocket from a mile away, and he should have turned it over underneath another time but instead made a short jumper. A step forward for him though.

Same for Ochefu. But I'm sure, for no reason imaginable, he won't get off the bench for the next few games.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Hammertime on February 01, 2018, 02:45:41 pm
The most stark difference between us and UMBC was the ball movement. Did you see the way they swung the ball around? Because we were stuck were stuck in molasses, we were actually lucky to be in it late because they had a million open wide-open looks from three but they didn't go down. Maura and Lyles could do whatever they want and go wherever they wanted to. We just don't have those guys.

We are now shooting a league-worst 57.6% from the free throw line. Fewest makes, third-fewest attempts. Just some killer misses from UC when were trying to go in front. 42-42, missed two. Down 58-56, missed two. We were 3 for 10 on free throws in the second half.

But but but wait it gets worse! If I did the math right ...

Conference totals – first half
3-pointers: 39 for 104 (.375)
Free throws: 42 for 64 (.657)

Conference totals – second half
3-pointers: 27 for 107 (.252)
Free throws: 39 for 77 (.507)

Those are some big-time bricks being thrown up with the game on the line! I'd love to know what our second half FT totals when we're up/down two points or tied.

Mac played some good minutes. I could see Maura picking his pocket from a mile away, and he should have turned it over underneath another time but instead made a short jumper. A step forward for him though.

Same for Ochefu. But I'm sure, for no reason imaginable, he won't get off the bench for the next few games.

Word!! I could not have put it any better.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Hammertime on February 01, 2018, 02:50:24 pm
sigh.

i know rebounding is an unsexy job.  and baby hooks and layups are the same. 

if we cant do that- how about passing?  anyone see BC flick the ball around against our 23 zone???

I was discussing this same exact thing with my buddy at the game yesterday. The ball distribution by UMBC was beautiful. SB was totally off kilter with that..
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 01, 2018, 03:04:31 pm
we need more passing and less black holes.  share the ball and our shot selection will improve, along with our %.  we need to be a pass first shoot second team. 

staying the course is a recipe for a first round exit.  we've been abysmal in nine conference games; why should i think round 1 at Patrick will be any different.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 01, 2018, 04:13:30 pm
Here's a thought on 2nd half FT's:

Since it's literally a coin toss as to whether we make one or not at the line, on FT's how about the SBU players bang the ball hard off the rim on every FT attempt, with the intent of possibly getting a rebound off the clank, and try to get another shot attempt - let's be optimistic and assume that they will all be 2-point attempts off the rebound. 

So, here's some math to add some credence to this "OldSeawolf FT" strategy:

Let's assume we shoot 50% from the line down the stretch, and shoot 40% from inside the arc down the stretch - just to keep the math reasonably simple and realistic.

Trying to make 10 FT's down the stretch should yield 5 points, given the 50% FT shooting rate.  That becomes our expected baseline.

Now let's also assume for argument sake that 6 of these 10 FT's are 2-shot fouls (hence, 3 of those 6 will be in-play after the FT goes up), and the other 4 are 1-and-1.  That would mean that for these expected 10 FT's, we have 7 FT attempts that are in-play on a miss.  Everyone still with me here?

Further, let's assume that of the 7 FT attempts that are in-play, we clank the ball off the rim, and through judicious planning and rim angle geometry, we are able to snare 5 of those 7 on rebounds.  We wind up taking 5 extra shots, a potential of 10 points, and at a 40% make rate, our expected # of points off these missed FT rebounds becomes 10 x 0.40 = 4 points.  Add to that the expected 1.5 points that are expected from the 3 FT's that are not in play (dead ball FT's), and this strategy yields an expected total of 5.5 points; an entire 1/2 point more than just taking FT's and trying to hit them - a whopping 10% increase in point production on FT's down-the-stretch.  Let's round up that extra 1/2 point to 1 point, and we just beat UML, and avoided OT.  Pure genius!

I think I'm onto something here that is more powerful than meets the eye.  This may become the future of SBU basketball, and may catch on around the NCAA.  The entire key to success for this strategy is mastering the clank and understanding rim geometry.  We may want to base all of our future recruiting on kids that "know how to miss FT's".
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: guest282 on February 01, 2018, 06:42:23 pm
Very creative solution, OldSeawolf, although i can't help but think making free throws is the more efficient approach.
Title: Re: Game 23: vs. UMBC 1/31
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 01, 2018, 07:37:48 pm
Just food for thought .  I watched  Ochefu at the beginning of the second half in warmups last night . He sank 3 3s  from way downtown  with nothing but net.  3 in a row with nothing but net something Warney could never do .  Yet he tippy taps a layup for two . I mean this guy needs a confidence class . That's 9 points he swished without even a blink . Imagine a future with a 6'8 kid shooting 3s or controlling the boards all at one game .