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Athletics => SBU Men's Basketball => Topic started by: Checkmate on January 26, 2018, 11:46:34 am
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ALBANY
Record: 16-7
Last Game: L, 61-50, at Vermont 1/24
Last 10: 5-5
Last Meeting: Albany 78-65 on 1/10/18; Cornish/Sturdivant team-high 10; outrebounded 37-28
CM Unofficial Line: Albany -4.5
KenPom RPI: Stony Brook 213, Albany 144
KenPom Prediction: Albany 69, Stony Brook 67
Listen/Watch:
TV: http://www.espn.com/watch/_/id/3245353/albany-vs-stony-brook-m-basketball
Albany radio: http://1045theteam.com/listen-live
Stony Brook radio: http://www.943theshark.com/listenlive.aspx
Notables:
6-4/185 jr G Joe Cremo 17.0 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.7 apg, .474 FG%, .860 FT%, .472 3-pt FG%
6-6/235 gs F Travis Charles 15.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, .580 FG%, .823 FT%
6-0/190 jr G David Nichols 14.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.1 apg, 1.3 spg, .348 3-pt FG%
6-7/255 sr F Greig Stire 8.0 ppg, 8.1 rpg, .551 FG%
6-6/220 jr F Devonte Campbell 7.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, .809 FT%
This would be a big pick-me-up if we can find a way to pull it out. Not sure I see it though.
Cremo's hit a bit of a lull, scoring eight points apiece in their last two games – an 11-point loss at Vermont and incredible 44-point win over UMBC upstate. Nobody's worried about him or the team though. To have three guys up near 15 points a night is such a luxury. If Akwasi has an off night or gets into foul trouble, we don't really have a plan B, do we?
In our last meeting, UA did everything that they usually do to us ... clamp down on defense, control the glass, take and make free throws.
We need the community and we need the students. Big Saturday night game.
I think we learn a lot about our guys tomorrow. Are they down and out like a lot of us? Or can they rise to the occasion in front of what we hope is a formidable crowd at IFCU?
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This would be a big pick-me-up if we can find a way to pull it out. Not sure I see it though.
youre right though. this would change a lot (not everything, but a lot). GO SB
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Talking with another season ticket holder today we did come to an agreement, although the best we could come up with was either:
A) UA blows our doors off and wins by, oh, 30 or so.
B) SBU pulls themselves together, inspired, and wins a tight one by hitting one of those buzzer-beaters they used to pull off.
Probably a lot of you are thinking the same thing. No telling, and yet feels like a game that will solidify either who they are or what they might still be capable of.
BTW, as always thanks for these previews Checkmate. Great stuff.
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Talking with another season ticket holder today we did come to an agreement, although the best we could come up with was either:
A) UA blows our doors off and wins by, oh, 30 or so.
B) SBU pulls themselves together, inspired, and wins a tight one by hitting one of those buzzer-beaters they used to pull off.
Probably a lot of you are thinking the same thing. No telling, and yet feels like a game that will solidify either who they are or what they might still be capable of.
BTW, as always thanks for these previews Checkmate. Great stuff.
Thanks. It's tough to come up with something new about UA. We know all the players and know what they're all about.
My feeling is we either fall behind by a lot early and crawl back into it only to lose by 8 ... or are neck and neck with them for 30 minutes only to crumble and lose by 8. I'm hoping that our guys surprise us here, but if you line our team up against theirs, it's difficult to see where we have any kind of advantage.
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Prediction- SB up by 6 in the final minutes, makes every single FT down the stretch, and wins by 12.
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Prediction- SB up by 6 in the final minutes, makes every single FT down the stretch, and wins by 12.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Would you care to share some of that stuff!!
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Prediction- SB up by 6 in the final minutes, makes every single FT down the stretch, and wins by 12.
LOLOL, I love it! You forgot to include the 2nd part of this - I get a position on the staff as "Assistant Head Coach, in Charge of Practice FT Shooting", for my innovative approach in getting this FT thing turned around ;D
And yes, thanks Checkmate for your invaluable pre-game work!
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Yes Checkmate s info is always appreciated thank you. On paper we are slightly bigger than Albany and should dominate on the glass and in the paint but we know better . If we fall behind by anything more than 10 points I don't see us coming back with the team we have . We need to open a real lead and hold it if that's possible.
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First legit crowd of the year. Thank goodness.
Wish that Cremo misfired on that three at the end of the half. Nine feels substantial; six insubtantial.
Pretty good to be in front without anything from Yeboah to this point. I hope we can replicate the intensity that we played with in the first half.
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Brutal. Fourth on Akwasi with 16 left. Here comes UA. A million free throws coming.
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Advantage UA. No way we can win a FT shooting contest with them.
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The fact that this is a close game is a win in and of itself. I expected to get blown out tell you the truth. Though I'm just tuning in I'll admit.
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who wants to talk about the last 80 seconds here.
we flubbed an inbounds pass (yes). then we had a chance to catch up, even the announcer said all we need was a 2, and we took a terrible three (guess who, our big). then it goes the other way for 2. then another three we missed. then another in the waning seconds that barely hit rim.
we ended up 6/22. so with those 16 misses... ah forget it.
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Never mind the shot clock violation where we would have been better off had play continued since we had a 3-1 advantage off the fast break.
All in though, those final two minutes were atrocious. These hail-mary threes we take every game need to be reigned in.
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Ho hum. Same old UA-SBU game.
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Ho hum. Same old UA-SBU game.
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We all know what the problem is so, why bother to get all worked up. BRUTAL!!!
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Ho hum. Same old UA-SBU game.
Left with pretty much that same feeling--Who couldn't see that coming once the big lead started dwindling away?--along with the thought that this game seemed like about the best you can expect from SBU this year.
Hey, great crowd and felt like the old days when SBU jumped out of the gate.
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Both teams poor from the field but...
FTs
UA 17/21 81%
SBU 2/5 40%
Whoa.
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Ho hum. Same old UA-SBU game.
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We all know what the problem is so, why bother to get all worked up. BRUTAL!!!
Yeah, 2 for 13 in the second half looks terrible – and I hated a few of them (Yeboah was pressing, the late three attempt by Ty) – but 22 is a good total for us. The early threes put us ahead, and then when UA reeled us in and went ahead, a few of them actually got us back in it. I have a bigger problem with all the stinkin' turnovers and missed twos. 15 for 35 inside the arc sucks. Saintel mishandled an alley-oop and missed two dunks if memory serves, and he had a terrible two attempt late just a step inside the three point line. I liked McKenzie's aggressiveness in this game – he's made some strides over the last few – but he forced a couple in the paint. And I believe at one point we had a tipped alley-oop pass that turned into a turnover, a Cornish charge, and a terrible cross-court pass by Ty in successive possessions somewhere in there. The Cornish inbounds pass off the long break was horrific. Just too many empty possessions. 18 freakin' second-half points.
Really disappointing that we pissed this one away, but I can't say I'm surprised. UA chipped away at the double-digit deficit and got it to six, and their backcourt brought it home. Nichols got hot early in the second half; he and Cremo was just such steady contributors. By contrast, we have guys who are so up and down.
We shot 13 free throws in two games against Albany this year. Not makes. Attempts. 17 makes to our two tonight. We are now 22 for 49 (.449) on free throws during this three-game losing streak. Opponents are 49 for 68 (.721)
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Just too many mental mistakes again . We just don't see to get it with fouls , turnovers , free throws etc. We continued to foul one of the best free throw shooting teams in Div 1 and I cant blame the refs . Bobby Knight in his day made his guys defend with no hands just their bodies and their foul problems went away . Anyway UMBC is next and that will be another struggle .
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This team is deeply flawed- 5 free throw attempts in a WHOLE game? Granted this team is garbage at hitting FT but you have to get to the line more than that.
The team played tight at the end of the game and couldn't hold onto the lead. The team usually won't win if Yeboah has an off night. The end of game turnovers were very disappointing- the one out of the timeout was the worst. I still can't honestly answer what the main 5 main lineup should be for this team.
The season is spiraling pretty quickly- again, we have been spoiled for years in many ways. Boals is gonna have to show improvement in coaching next year.
Anyway on the plus side, the arena was packed...lets hope attendance doesn't dip too much.
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We're the 341st best free throw shooting team in the country!
That would also make us the 11th worst.
Ironically, Rutgers is three spots worse than us.
Must be something in the waters.
I don't think free throw shooting can be fixed, to be honest, even though it seems like it should be. Extra free throws after practice aren't a magical elixir. Either you can shoot or you can't and the improvements are minimal. And the fact of the matter is we're only complaining about the amount of threes we're shooting because we're not hitting them.
And that's because we don't have shooters on this team, minus Yeboah and Sekunda (and Almonacy, who is also shooting 45% from deep).
Hopefully our recruits can shoot. Latimer's at 73% (http://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21955985). Couldn't find anything on Jules Moor.
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Ho hum. Same old UA-SBU game.
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We all know what the problem is so, why bother to get all worked up. BRUTAL!!!
We shot 13 free throws in two games against Albany this year. Not makes. Attempts. 17 makes to our two tonight. We are now 22 for 49 (.449) on free throws during this three-game losing streak. Opponents are 49 for 68 (.721)
A very interesting note from Carl and Curt on ESPN3 last night - they spoke with Brown before the game, and one of the things that he strives for each game is to MAKE more FT's as a team than the opposition TAKES. Well, mission certainly accomplished last night, and this indicates to me how Brown understands what a big role FT's play in games. I thought it was an interesting revelation on Brown's philosophy as a coach.
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I guess Sekunda was an asset to this team more than we know. We are 0-2 with Sekunda on the bench.. If he is out for the rest of the season You can bet your bottom dollar SB will be in 7th or 8th place come playoff time..
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I guess Sekunda was an asset to this team more than we know. We are 0-2 with Sekunda on the bench.. If he is out for the rest of the season You can bet your bottom dollar SB will be in 7th or 8th place come playoff time..
I guess we're halfway through conference with 8 games played even though we haven't played UMBC yet (and no UA in the "second round"). Looking at the schedule and opponents over the next 8, I'm comfortable putting the UMBC and UVM games as unwinnable for this team even with two of those games at home. Just don't see it. So, can they win 3 of the other 5 which would probably keep them right where they are in that bland 6th place?
Finding myself grasping for things to be interested in with this team, as all the parts of the game not going well noted all over this board are just not changing. We really have been spoiled for years as MD notes with core groups of players or a player serving as stable forces to win games, keep us in games, and keep a cool head during crunch time. Just don't have that this year. With a guy like that, this team of athletes, and a crystal ball we're probably right where we usually are near the top of the AE.
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I'm not a student of the game but here are my 2 cents from last night (and watching a good amount of SB games this year).
1. SB sometimes starts offensive sets by sending a big to set a high screen at the top of the key, but I'm not sure what offensive advantage this actually confers.
2. When SB gets into its half-court set, I often see four players on the perimeter and the three without the ball hardly ever move (last night, one time Cornish was dribbling to his left and almost ran into an SB player that was camped on the perimeter).
3. As the ball was passed around the perimeter last night Albany was actually pressing and pushing the ball further out from the three point line. This resulted in either (1) low percentage threes (2) low percentage drives to the basket, or (3) passing the ball inside to Ty, who often was getting the ball outside of low post position (and very few second chance opportunities.)
4. In contrast, when Albany had the ball, I saw lots of off-the-ball movement, with players either cutting to the basket, or forwards moving in position for an open mid-range shot.
5. I think the talent and effort are there. There was nothing I saw list night that made me think Albany had better players than SB. In fact if I was an Albany fan, I'd probably think if SB ever got it's act together, they'd be very difficult to beat in the AE tournament.
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Both teams poor from the field but...
FTs
UA 17/21 81%
SBU 2/5 40%
Whoa.
i think it goes back to the same thing weve talked about- you draw fouls when you penetrate. we dont penetrate. in fact we dont create much offense at all, other than an occasional cornish/saintel drive. and so we dont get to the strip that much.
and when we do, we miss half.
BC might be pretty good this year. that should be two more Ls for us.
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I'm not a student of the game but here are my 2 cents from last night (and watching a good amount of SB games this year).
1. SB sometimes starts offensive sets by sending a big to set a high screen at the top of the key, but I'm not sure what offensive advantage this actually confers.
2. When SB gets into its half-court set, I often see four players on the perimeter and the three without the ball hardly ever move (last night, one time Cornish was dribbling to his left and almost ran into an SB player that was camped on the perimeter).
3. As the ball was passed around the perimeter last night Albany was actually pressing and pushing the ball further out from the three point line. This resulted in either (1) low percentage threes (2) low percentage drives to the basket, or (3) passing the ball inside to Ty, who often was getting the ball outside of low post position (and very few second chance opportunities.)
4. In contrast, when Albany had the ball, I saw lots of off-the-ball movement, with players either cutting to the basket, or forwards moving in position for an open mid-range shot.
5. I think the talent and effort are there. There was nothing I saw list night that made me think Albany had better players than SB. In fact if I was an Albany fan, I'd probably think if SB ever got it's act together, they'd be very difficult to beat in the AE tournament.
good post. #1 yes but a lot of teams do this. i think the idea is to have your biggest body set a high pick to create offense. we never seem to create anything off of this, because of #2. no off ball movement.
just like in lacrosse- the ball moves faster than the feet. so you create offense by passing. but when every high school all star these dyas builds his highlight reel, they are shooting, not passing.
#3 still cant figure out why he is on the perimeter. if not him inside, then who? did he take any pages from the warney book over 2 years?
#4 that's why the win.
GO SB
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Both teams poor from the field but...
FTs
UA 17/21 81%
SBU 2/5 40%
Whoa.
i think it goes back to the same thing weve talked about- you draw fouls when you penetrate. we dont penetrate. in fact we dont create much offense at all, other than an occasional cornish/saintel drive. and so we dont get to the strip that much.
and when we do, we miss half.
BC might be pretty good this year. that should be two more Ls for us.
BC DID lose to Albany by 44 a week ago. But nothing would surprise me this year. Well, I guess a 44-point win would.
We would benefit greatly if one of our guards could get to the middle and make a short jumper or distribute from there. Woodhouse was excellent at that his senior year; Puriefoy didn’t do it enough I thought.
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correct on BC losing but they are 6-2 and, i would add, we competed for most of a game with some big name programs. and then lost to UML. the point being that teams arent always consistent!
tre i thought created offense by driving hard to the hoop. and dishing when needed. he also took care of the ball and was a decent shooter.
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correct on BC losing but they are 6-2 and, i would add, we competed for most of a game with some big name programs. and then lost to UML. the point being that teams arent always consistent!
tre i thought created offense by driving hard to the hoop. and dishing when needed. he also took care of the ball and was a decent shooter.
Oh, I'm a Tre advocate. Not a big-time distributor but he was good enough, and could certainly score. I just feel like he penetrated too often into the trees when he could have pulled up for a short jumper or floater. We saw that from Calixte, who killed us in the second half, and a little bit from Nichols.
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I liked Tre as well. It seemed like even when his drives to the basket resulted in misses, it was almost like an assist to Warney, who was usually there for the put-back.
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yes and yes. and tre drew fouls that way (and could close them out).
id rather have an over-penetrator than an under-penetrator. that's 2015 v 2017, respectively.
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yes and yes. and tre drew fouls that way (and could close them out).
id rather have an over-penetrator than an under-penetrator. that's 2015 v 2017, respectively.
Miss him massively!!
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The Tre -Warney worked more than well . Tre could score inside or take the 12 -15 ft jumper. Warney was always in position for put backs . That's all gone an needs to be rebuilt next season .