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Title: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 28, 2017, 06:51:22 pm
I'm Pumped!

Let's beat these puppies!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 29, 2017, 03:28:55 am
We've eeked out a couple wins over the past three weeks. This needs to be a statement game for the selection committee for seeding. We need to absolutely bury Albany and it can't be a close game. They're 1-4 in the conference, 3-5 overall, and it's a home game. Time to bury them. Anything less than a 2 TD margin of victory isn't good enough.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on October 29, 2017, 08:26:13 am
We've eeked out a couple wins over the past three weeks. This needs to be a statement game for the selection committee for seeding. We need to absolutely bury Albany and it can't be a close game. They're 1-4 in the conference, 3-5 overall, and it's a home game. Time to bury them. Anything less than a 2 TD margin of victory isn't good enough.

This team by all rights should win out and go 9-2 for the season with Maine being their toughest opponent.. I signature win over Maine should open the eyes of the committee.. And yes, blow the doors off of UA!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on October 29, 2017, 08:48:22 am
I thought Stony Brook played a really smart, clean, conservative game yesterday. Richmond shot themselves in the foot with all those penalties...

My only concern going forward is with our front line. SB had a difficult time running the ball even before Parris going down. Richmond gives up the most yards in the CAA with teams running on them. Something around 200+ yards a game We only had one decent run up the gut from Bidell, that concerns me... We are playing with a backup line? Joe Detorie was out there and he is a Freshman.

Parris injury doesnt look good for the remaining games of the season after being carted off into the dressing room. I hope he is ok.. Maybe someone closer the SB athletics can keep us informed of his situation going forward..

I thought SB played a little too conservative again in the 4th Q. We tried killing the clock with the 3 and out, running up the gut with 6 minutes left in the game... I noticed coach P does this in every game when we have the lead. Why not try throwing the ball for short yardage and grab one or two more first downs?? Carbone has improved tremendously with this play all season. keep doing that even late in the 4th... Stick with what works all game...

All and all Stony did very well in this game and the defense held Richmond stud Quarterback in check all game.. Great job!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Campi47 on October 29, 2017, 12:02:11 pm
I spoke with one of the Coaches last night and they're not sure if Timone Paris will be able to play next week after getting hurt on Saturday
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on October 29, 2017, 12:49:35 pm
I spoke with one of the Coaches last night and they're not sure if Timone Paris will be able to play next week after getting hurt on Saturday

I just rust ran into a very reliable source at SB.. Timon Paris is out for the season. He needs surgery on his Ankle.. Hopefully he will be ready for the NFL combine next year.. The scouts had him as high as the 3rd round before this injury..
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 30, 2017, 12:17:18 am
I spoke with one of the Coaches last night and they're not sure if Timone Paris will be able to play next week after getting hurt on Saturday

I just rust ran into a very reliable source at SB.. Timon Paris is out for the season. He needs surgery on his Ankle.. Hopefully he will be ready for the NFL combine next year.. The scouts had him as high as the 3rd round before this injury..

Huuuge bummer for him and for the team with that news. Though I don't think it will hurt his draft stock too much.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 31, 2017, 01:27:22 am
As exciting as it is right now. One game at a time boys. Gotta beat the puppies first!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: SBUFootball on October 31, 2017, 10:48:21 pm
Timon is out for the year; we now lost our best OT...Bummer

SBU was very fortunate to get this win; if your review the stats we were stronger in the kicking game & that was it...

We got breaks with penalties early that allowed us to score & there was a lot of bad calls in this game on both sides.

What really surprise me was the lack of an effective offensive game plan:

2.7 yards per carry 40 rushing attempts
7.9 passing avg 27 attempts

I also notice several questionable play calls;

2nd quarter 1:38 seconds & they decide to run out the clock; you need to put points up against Richmond.

3rd quarter We run off 2nd string LT just came into the game loose 2 yards; 2nd down run off LT no gain, 3rd down run off LT no gain wkick the ball?

4th Quarter penalty late in 4th quarter coach elects to not take the penalty making it 3rd down 14 on the Richmond 16 yard line; he declines & 4th down n 4 yards n Richmond does a fake punt 25 yard gain Richmond...Why... you pin them back & get the ball back with great field position.   

4th quarter we have the ball on Richmond 46 yard line 4th down 2.5 yards n we elect to kick.... our D is giving up big yardage in passing game & this was a time to let the offence make a statement n hold onto the ball..... we elect to kick.  Richmond comes down & scores.

SBU will go up against very good competition if they make the playoffs; but you cannot make these kinds of calls & mistakes & hope to win.

Ths team has many weapons & we do not use the RB, SB, TE in our short passing game well... or play smash mouth w an 3 TE set for short running gains when needed.

This was discussed with several of the players families & we also notice that 2 of the biggest running plays was when 88 was in the game; why isn't he being used more in run & passing game with his size. This has also been asked from several of the teams & coaches that we played against.  In addition #3 is the best special teams player we have & he also is not being used;
I would not put a starting RB in the return game when he is a necessity in the run game..... why take any chance.

We can all be critics in this game but game film & stats don't lie....  We could of torn some teams up if we were more versatile of our play calling.

Great quote in football...We adjust our game plan based on the players we have to win.... Coach Belichick  might not like him but he is one hell of a good coach & teacher of the game & he uses his players effectively & instills confidence in his players.

I have the pleasure of being at many games; but adjustments in play calling needs to be more effective & we need to utilize the talent better that we have on this team.

 
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 01, 2017, 05:26:40 am
Timon is out for the year; we now lost our best OT...Bummer

SBU was very fortunate to get this win; if your review the stats we were stronger in the kicking game & that was it...

We got breaks with penalties early that allowed us to score & there was a lot of bad calls in this game on both sides.

What really surprise me was the lack of an effective offensive game plan:

2.7 yards per carry 40 rushing attempts
7.9 passing avg 27 attempts

I also notice several questionable play calls;

2nd quarter 1:38 seconds & they decide to run out the clock; you need to put points up against Richmond.

3rd quarter We run off 2nd string LT just came into the game loose 2 yards; 2nd down run off LT no gain, 3rd down run off LT no gain wkick the ball?

4th Quarter penalty late in 4th quarter coach elects to not take the penalty making it 3rd down 14 on the Richmond 16 yard line; he declines & 4th down n 4 yards n Richmond does a fake punt 25 yard gain Richmond...Why... you pin them back & get the ball back with great field position.   

4th quarter we have the ball on Richmond 46 yard line 4th down 2.5 yards n we elect to kick.... our D is giving up big yardage in passing game & this was a time to let the offence make a statement n hold onto the ball..... we elect to kick.  Richmond comes down & scores.

SBU will go up against very good competition if they make the playoffs; but you cannot make these kinds of calls & mistakes & hope to win.

Ths team has many weapons & we do not use the RB, SB, TE in our short passing game well... or play smash mouth w an 3 TE set for short running gains when needed.

This was discussed with several of the players families & we also notice that 2 of the biggest running plays was when 88 was in the game; why isn't he being used more in run & passing game with his size. This has also been asked from several of the teams & coaches that we played against.  In addition #3 is the best special teams player we have & he also is not being used;
I would not put a starting RB in the return game when he is a necessity in the run game..... why take any chance.

We can all be critics in this game but game film & stats don't lie....  We could of torn some teams up if we were more versatile of our play calling.

Great quote in football...We adjust our game plan based on the players we have to win.... Coach Belichick  might not like him but he is one hell of a good coach & teacher of the game & he uses his players effectively & instills confidence in his players.

I have the pleasure of being at many games; but adjustments in play calling needs to be more effective & we need to utilize the talent better that we have on this team.

 

My biggest concern with the play calling was late in the 4th Q, with 6 minutes on the clock and we are up 10.. Coach P decides to run the ball 3 times. I counted 9 guys in the box in all three downs.. That was a perfect time to throw the ball for a quick slant to Bolden. But no, we go 3 and out..

And coach P not taking that penalty call was totally mind boggling..That would have pinned Richmond deep and it would it would have been 3rd down and for ever..

Oh, well... Just be happy SB is playing this well and is knocking on the door of the playoffs. I had them for dead before the season even started mainly because of Carbone as our starting QB.. I am glad he greatly improved this year. He still needs to learn to throw the ball a little lower and not so high. Someone is going to get hurt really bad if keeps doing that..
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: GRIP on November 01, 2017, 08:42:02 am
I agree with all of the criticism of Coach P's play calling (for the whole season). I also agree losing Paris will be a big concern moving forward. I will say that the whole offense has played better this year, especially Joe C.. A small correction - Joe Detorie is a redshirt SO and has started several games this year. I have been to several games and have watched every play of every game and I think we out played every team that we have faced this year except USF (and that was closer than the score). We lack the ability to put teams away due to play calling but overall I think our ranking is appropriate. Richmond did shoot themselves in the foot several times but I believe the better team won and if you take away the last drive (in prevent) we beat them in the stats. They returned 20 starters from their payoff team last year and it was at homecoming for them. Elon still has UNH and JMU, I'm predicting they will lose both. If we can keep our cr@p together we can finish 2nd in the conference. Hopefully we can will a couple of games in the playoffs but just getting there will be a nice step forward for the program. We are not getting a ton of fans traveling to games but the ones that show up are great and loud. I was down in the endzone at W&M and their fans were impressed how loud we were based on the number of fans. Beat Albany!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: GRIP on November 01, 2017, 10:50:50 am
Oh and VA_Seawolf, I believe you said that if the Seawolves finished 7-4 this year you would eat a shoe. Haha, not trolling you, just looking at some old posts and I saw this. Glad you were wrong (I'm sure you are as well). It's a good problem, right?
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 01, 2017, 11:06:02 am
I dont think 7-4 will get any team in the playoffs in this conference, except for maybe UNH, JMU, Delaware, the darlings of the CAA... We need 8 wins. Something we should be able to achieve this year.

Losing Parris will hurt our chances, however SB does have a West Virginia transfer, Jr., Jonathan Haynes, 6'-5" 320.. Taking his place.He is quite good. Hopefully he fills the void left behind my Parris..
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 01, 2017, 11:58:28 am
SBU_Football - that was a great analysis of the play calling. We also have always underutilized 88 in particular. I had a class with him my last year at SBU so he's been here forever yet we haven't used him to his full potential. He's 6'8'' and never got to showcase his natural ability here. Sad.

I'm glad we won, but those issues are still present with this team. It's a contract year for Coach P so he might be doing a bit better with the game preparation, though I think the success of this team is likely more due to the experience of the players than the coaching. We lose a TON next year. Coach P can use this year to say he deserves an extension, but how much of this is really attributable to him?? I have no idea.

Oh and VA_Seawolf, I believe you said that if the Seawolves finished 7-4 this year you would eat a shoe. Haha, not trolling you, just looking at some old posts and I saw this. Glad you were wrong (I'm sure you are as well). It's a good problem, right?

I probably did. I thought losing Hemphill along with Carbone being the starter would have us finishing 3-8 at best despite all the talent. The quality loss to FBS top 20 USF gave me hope at the time for this team, and then winning the W&M game on the road (even though we were in full meltdown mode and barely escaped with that game) followed by the New Hampshire win a couple weeks ago really made me start believing in this team. The talent in this program is always there, it's just how it's being used. We could be 8-0 right now honestly.

You're right though, I'm pleasantly surprised by this season. I'll find a shoe-shaped Jello mold and eat that instead  ;D ;D


As a side note, I don't want any players who potentially might read this to get ahead of themselves. FOCUS ON ALBANY...

But I was looking and most of the previous 7 and 8 seeds in the playoff over the past few years have been 8-3 or 9-2 teams from leagues that aren't quite as strong as the CAA. Big South Charleston Southern got an 8 seed at 9-2 a couple years ago despite being in the Big South, so I think if we finish at 9-2 in the league we're in it will be hard to keep us out of that top 8. The weak Southland with Soft Houston State has two teams in the top 8 right now which is kind of frustrating. Hopefully one of them loses. I hope Wofford loses one too. The SoCon nor Southland are as strong as the CAA.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: GRIP on November 01, 2017, 12:19:56 pm
I wasn't saying 7-4 should be good enough Hammertime :). I think we should win all 3 remaining games and (to your point) we need to win at least 2 of 3. I was one of the guys last year making a HUGE deal about Joe Carbone's lack of success. I can't believe how much better he has played this year. He still has his moments, he missed several open receivers at Richmond, but that being said, he has really FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR exceeded my expectations this year. He (and the play calling) held us back last year.

Agreed, about 88 Conner, he was a left tackle 2 years ago and we do better with him in the game. We have some other talented TEs but Conner is our best blocker and is a huge target (although he missed a huge catch a couple of weeks ago).

Definitely, any players that might be reading these posts should completely disregard as anybody is vulnerable. Heck, look at how good RI has played the last few weeks and we owned them.

VT_Seawolf - a shoe mold would be acceptable :) I'll have one with you.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 01, 2017, 03:09:33 pm
Yikes!!!! It was only a matter of time but we play JMU next season.

http://caasports.com/news/2017/11/1/caa-football-announces-2018-schedule.aspx
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 01, 2017, 07:53:45 pm
Yikes!!!! It was only a matter of time but we play JMU next season.

http://caasports.com/news/2017/11/1/caa-football-announces-2018-schedule.aspx

They graduate several starters and we beat them at their place in our first season in the league. I think we'll be ok.

Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: SBUFootball on November 01, 2017, 11:16:52 pm
I took time & reviewed Albany season this year & it will surprise you what i found...

They had  more 1st down then the team they played but 1 game.

They had more total yardage per game then then the teams they played

They have a very balance offence...

They have a good defensive team & they will stack the box this Saturday

They played Richmond & the score was very close; they have a good team.

 They need to use #3 kick returns & #88 more in the play calling.

SBU will go up against 2 very tough teams on D w Albany & Maine; i am hopeful we use all assets in our play calling   Losing our best OL will hurt the inside running game.  Insanity is doing the same thing again again & getting the same negative results...... 

Its gong to be a very good football day weather....
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 02, 2017, 11:34:01 am
Albany always gives us a tough game.

Looks like I will be a pleasant Fall day perfect for football on Saturday. 57F
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 02, 2017, 05:33:32 pm
Albany is a good team. Everyone in the CAA is good and can beat anyone on any given day...

But the fact of the matter is, we're just a better team than they are this year and we've got the game at our place with everything to play for. We should bury them early. The FCS committee releases their first rankings at half time tonight of the NIU vs Toledo game. If we're in that top 10, our guys will have everything to play for. We have the potential of having a bye and playoff football at Lavalle in December. We better come out and kick their asses.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 02, 2017, 06:01:59 pm
Albany is a good team. Everyone in the CAA is good and can beat anyone on any given day...

But the fact of the matter is, we're just a better team than they are this year and we've got the game at our place with everything to play for. We should bury them early. The FCS committee releases their first rankings at half time tonight of the NIU vs Toledo game. If we're in that top 10, our guys will have everything to play for. We have the potential of having a bye and playoff football at Lavalle in December. We better come out and kick their asses.

I hope you are right. I am not saying  a word about this game.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 02, 2017, 08:52:08 pm
it looks like the top ten is released at halftime of the idaho/troy game, which just started.  the rest are released november 9: http://www.inforum.com/sports/4351630-fcs-football-committee-release-first-rankings-thursday

more predictions:
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/11/1/16588196/assessing-the-fcs-playoff-picture
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-projecting-fcs-playoff-field-week-9-fcs-championship-byby
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 02, 2017, 10:14:45 pm
it looks like the top ten is released at halftime of the idaho/troy game, which just started.  the rest are released november 9: http://www.inforum.com/sports/4351630-fcs-football-committee-release-first-rankings-thursday

more predictions:
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/11/1/16588196/assessing-the-fcs-playoff-picture
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-projecting-fcs-playoff-field-week-9-fcs-championship-byby

Yeah, I got that wrong. I knew they came out tonight, I just thought during the Toledo NIU game. Weird they'd release them at ~11 on a Thursday night, but whatever.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 02, 2017, 11:15:02 pm
JMU #1 and Elon #7 in the committee top ten. Pretty reasonable.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/926283565905731585

Seawolves couldn't make the top ten. I didn't expect them to. Making it would have surprised me. But that's not to say we can't make the top 10, come actual selection day. We just have to win 3 winnable, though not easy games. And hope for some drop outs in the ranking. Lot of the top teams yet to play each other and Elon will definitely get another loss somewhere.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 03, 2017, 02:06:29 am
JMU #1 and Elon #7 in the committee top ten. Pretty reasonable.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/926283565905731585

Seawolves couldn't make the top ten. I didn't expect them to. Making it would have surprised me. But that's not to say we can't make the top 10, come actual selection day. We just have to win 3 winnable, though not easy games. And hope for some drop outs in the ranking. Lot of the top teams yet to play each other and Elon will definitely get another loss somewhere.

Elon and JMU play and nobody is beating JMU, so Elon will lose. Whether or not that drops them out of the top 8 remains to be seen. If it's a one possession game they may remain in the top 8 and get a seed.


The big surprise was NAU. That one surprised me, but the computers like them (8th in the Massey Composite) with a non-conference win over Illinois St. and losses only to ranked FBS Arizona and WIU. They're undefeated in Big Sky play, but have games against both Montana and Southern Utah coming up.

With enough losses by certain teams we could be looking at a seed. I wouldn't be surprised if we were 11-12th in the committee's mind. What helps us is that a lot of the teams around us in the rankings in the hunt for a seed still play each other. That can also break the other way against us, but teams losing late take them out of consideration for that playoff seed. NDSU still plays South Dakota South Dakota St., and Illinois St. All of which either have seeds or are in the running for a seed. We need NDSU to crush those teams, NAU to lose to one or both of the Montana teams, and JMU to crush Elon. Ideally I'd also like to see one or both of those Southland schools lose. No way two teams from that cupcake conference should have seeds, but it is what it is. If the above happens I think we're in a good spot. Historically if you finish 9-2 in this conference, you get a seed. Champion or not.

Just have to win the games in front of us first though. Winning out gets us a playoff home game at Lavalle at worst against a cupcake, and hopefully a winnable road game in the second round (Elon perhaps). If you told me two months ago we'd be talking about potentially receiving a first round bye in the playoffs I'd have laughed at you.

Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Grownman on November 03, 2017, 05:41:57 am
I watched the Richmond game and what I seen has me baffle lets think here for a moment SB is stacked with talent but what good is it if you don't use it or let say don't no how to use it lets think about it the question here is not how to win but how do you lose 1 your best player's are on the sidelines 2 you don't udilize your tightens 3 keep your defense on the field and # 4 which should be #1 keep running the same 6 play's
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 03, 2017, 08:16:25 am
JMU #1 and Elon #7 in the committee top ten. Pretty reasonable.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/926283565905731585

Seawolves couldn't make the top ten. I didn't expect them to. Making it would have surprised me. But that's not to say we can't make the top 10, come actual selection day. We just have to win 3 winnable, though not easy games. And hope for some drop outs in the ranking. Lot of the top teams yet to play each other and Elon will definitely get another loss somewhere.

Elon and JMU play and nobody is beating JMU, so Elon will lose. Whether or not that drops them out of the top 8 remains to be seen. If it's a one possession game they may remain in the top 8 and get a seed.


The big surprise was NAU. That one surprised me, but the computers like them (8th in the Massey Composite) with a non-conference win over Illinois St. and losses only to ranked FBS Arizona and WIU. They're undefeated in Big Sky play, but have games against both Montana and Southern Utah coming up.

With enough losses by certain teams we could be looking at a seed. I wouldn't be surprised if we were 11-12th in the committee's mind. What helps us is that a lot of the teams around us in the rankings in the hunt for a seed still play each other. That can also break the other way against us, but teams losing late take them out of consideration for that playoff seed. NDSU still plays South Dakota South Dakota St., and Illinois St. All of which either have seeds or are in the running for a seed. We need NDSU to crush those teams, NAU to lose to one or both of the Montana teams, and JMU to crush Elon. Ideally I'd also like to see one or both of those Southland schools lose. No way two teams from that cupcake conference should have seeds, but it is what it is. If the above happens I think we're in a good spot. Historically if you finish 9-2 in this conference, you get a seed. Champion or not.

Just have to win the games in front of us first though. Winning out gets us a playoff home game at Lavalle at worst against a cupcake, and hopefully a winnable road game in the second round (Elon perhaps). If you told me two months ago we'd be talking about potentially receiving a first round bye in the playoffs I'd have laughed at you.

while i might agree with the logic (JMU Is that good this year), URI did beat albany, and so i tend to think never say never... but yes, i think JMU will beat elon. 

GO SB, BEAT UA!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 03, 2017, 09:30:28 am
I watched the Richmond game and what I seen has me baffle lets think here for a moment SB is stacked with talent but what good is it if you don't use it or let say don't no how to use it lets think about it the question here is not how to win but how do you lose 1 your best player's are on the sidelines 2 you don't udilize your tightens 3 keep your defense on the field and # 4 which should be #1 keep running the same 6 play's

What did you say!?!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 04, 2017, 01:03:55 pm
Those at home can watch 📺 the game at

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/stonybrook/index.htm
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 01:04:14 pm
rhody!!!

7-3 JMU at halftime...
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 04, 2017, 01:08:21 pm
Those at home can watch 📺 the game at

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/stonybrook/index.htm

Thank God for this because I was trying to see the JMU game and you have to pay for what I'm hearing is a trash stream.

rhody!!!

7-3 JMU at halftime...

Music to my ears!! WE need chaos. Be checking scores from the Southland, MVFC, and Big Sky as well to see who losing can help us get a seed.

Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 04, 2017, 01:08:48 pm
FUMBLE on the opening kickoff!!! Leads to Liontine up the middle for SBU. SBU up 7-0 with 13:00 in the first.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 01:09:33 pm
first play of the game, kick cov strips UA, gets the ball inside the danes' 20.  fields comes in for a snap.  3 plays later, liotine JR up the gut for six.  haynes looks good so far.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 04, 2017, 01:42:48 pm
Big gap between their and our passing game.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 02:07:56 pm
we're leaving receivers open and giving up some decent-length runs.  with that said, we are making big hits, especially our secondary.  suppose that's all characteristic of a rivarly game!  big emotion, some butterflies.

JMU blowing up Rhody.

GO SB
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 04, 2017, 03:03:02 pm
Risky going for it on 4th, but putting in Fields and using his dual threat ability there was smart.

EDIT: Why the Hell doesn't Carbone just take the sack there and we kick the FG?? This is how you throw games away right there.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 04, 2017, 03:40:39 pm
Trash play calling again. Good lord it looks like we're going to OT.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 03:46:44 pm
not the greatest clock management in the last minute but weve somehow limped into OT.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 04, 2017, 03:48:18 pm
Coach P needs to be fired.  Enough said
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 04, 2017, 03:51:09 pm
Richmond wins 22-0 against Nova. If we don't screw up in OT, that away win against Richmond would be huge.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 03:51:29 pm
jackson.

JACKSON!!!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 03:58:17 pm
oh god that feels good
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 04, 2017, 04:01:12 pm
Phew. So many things to criticize as usual. But we WON. I just gonna enjoy this feeling for now. And with that I think playoff is guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 04, 2017, 04:05:56 pm
Part of me wants to rip Priore for that trash play calling, and Carbone for not protecting the football....


But goddamn it I'm just going to enjoy the win!!! 6-1 in CAA play!! Beat Wagner and we're in!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: NYstateofmind on November 04, 2017, 04:27:19 pm
agreed! How do we go from there third quarter to the end and then the start of there 4th with a Delay of game? Then Joe's third down play- was just another one of those "Joe Moments" he seems to have (last week he ran out of bounds late in the 4th quarter).

Defense really was very subpar- especially when we pin them back on the one and they go 99 yards. 

I am no way putting up an alarm, but am a bit worried about how this team (and Coach P) can get up for Wagner- after all that we needed to do today to beat a team we should have manhandled-especially in light of the playoffs. But Let's keep going forward!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 04, 2017, 04:47:55 pm
Part of me wants to rip Priore for that trash play calling, and Carbone for not protecting the football....


But goddamn it I'm just going to enjoy the win!!! 6-1 in CAA play!! Beat Wagner and we're in!

The boos were pouring down late in the 4th when we had the ball with 1:30 left on the clock and coach P was content to go into overtime. At one point he turned around at the crowd and had that look in his face, why is everybody booing!!!. Epic.....
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 05:12:22 pm
delaware beats maine, so no help there.

UNH beats W&M, so no help there either.

elon/towson knotted in double OT, elon goes up 3.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 05:24:48 pm
outdated but some good analysis here: http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20171103114419412782504

towson ties, in 3OT elon blocks a short FG, gets the ball.  elon hits a short FG to win.  they're 6-0 with UNH and JMU left. 
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Seawolf97 on November 04, 2017, 05:28:09 pm
  I really thought we were going to implode today. Between the play calling at the  end and lack of execution on the field.  We should have won by 2 TD's at least . Good to hear a little booing  at the end toward the coaching staff just bad decision making  by the HC .
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 04, 2017, 05:50:03 pm
have to think if UA didnt spot us two early fumbles (both of which we converted), we'd have lost today.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: sbufan on November 04, 2017, 05:55:54 pm
Happy to get the win. I think defense really missed John Haggart today. He should be a back for Maine game
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 04, 2017, 06:02:47 pm
outdated but some good analysis here: http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20171103114419412782504

towson ties, in 3OT elon blocks a short FG, gets the ball.  elon hits a short FG to win.  they're 6-0 with UNH and JMU left.

That's a good analysis. I have to say SBU is locked with this win. Now it's a matter of whether we get a bye, or get a home or away game in first round. All three possibilities are still open. If we win out, good chance we get a bye. If we go 1-1 then we will probably host first round. If we lose the next two, we are probably traveling.

There's a chance CAA gets 5 teams in. Top 5 In CAA standing all won today. JMU and Elon are locked. UNH next plays Elon and Albany. Delaware plays Albany and Nova. One of UNH and Delaware definitely in...can both make it to playoffs?

In contrast, top of MVFC are having a bad day. #2 NDSU, #6 South Dakota, #12 Illinois State all lost today.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 04, 2017, 06:03:25 pm
have to think if UA didnt spot us two early fumbles (both of which we converted), we'd have lost today.

Agreed. Those were nice gifts.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: NYstateofmind on November 04, 2017, 06:04:50 pm
maybe so. but the Legion Of Wolves in the secondary were getting hammered. How many long 3rd down conversations did we give up?
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 04, 2017, 06:52:32 pm
They played absolutely terrible today. We deserved to lose honestly. Terrible 3rd down D for most of the second half. Their QB would run every 3rd Down and we did nothing. ugh. Offense wasn't much better with those fumbles. Overall a bad bad win

Just glad we came out with the W... but this doesn't look like a playoff team right now
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 04, 2017, 07:08:07 pm
They played absolutely terrible today. We deserved to lose honestly. Terrible 3rd down D for most of the second half. Their QB would run every 3rd Down and we did nothing. ugh. Offense wasn't much better with those fumbles. Overall a bad bad win

Just glad we came out with the W... but this doesn't look like a playoff team right now

I think our boys played well, considering.. My beef is with the coaches. By now they should all be working in sinc with each other and they are not.  Clock and play management are something you would find in a sub div1 level program..

You would think the numbers would be one sided, but they were actually pretty even, except for UA 3rd downs..

http://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2017/11/4/football-stony-brook-reclaims-the-golden-apple-with-thrilling-ot-win-over-ualbany.aspx?path=football

Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: SBUFootball on November 05, 2017, 12:38:54 am
Growman you stated this & i couldn't agree more....

I watched the Richmond game and what I seen has me baffle lets think here for a moment SB is stacked with talent but what good is it if you don't use it or let say don't no how to use it lets think about it the question here is not how to win but how do you lose 1 your best player's are on the sidelines 2 you don't utilize your tightens 3 keep your defense on the field and # 4 which should be #1 keep running the same 6 play's.

The Albany was another head scratcher on play calling....  SBU only  threw i time to TE, RB,  in this game & only i time to the middle of the field.  This team is very easy to predict when setting your D game plan.

Cover #13 & stack the line for the run; you shut down 80% of our game plan...... this is sad when you have so many more options & this is the best this staff can put together.

Why & the hell do you not use the sideline w quick down & out moving the ball down the field w 30sec on the clock in the 4th quarter; the worst place is a short pass to the middle of the field & not get out of bounds.   

You have players w a huge height advantage; put the ball high were he can pull it down & it give you the option for the field goal...

The more you open up the offensive game plan & spread the ball out to all your assets RB, TE WR the more big plays you will have on this team..... Coaches your RB & TE can catch use them; your running game will thrive & big play options w WR will be there.

Why were we not using Stacy Bedell more in this game; your not going to get much rhythm in your offence if you keep switching out & why our we not using both backs in back field more.

ON D ...SBU cannot play press D on the receivers; teams our eating our lunch & marching down the field on us.  We are not getting pressure on the QB enough.

I also notice a very cool cheer going on in this game by the SBU students; that was real cool..... Connor #88 fan club on the Albany side was loud & they were pissing off the Albany fans....GREAT

We need more of this going on for the team....
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 05, 2017, 05:09:20 am
Part of me wants to rip Priore for that trash play calling, and Carbone for not protecting the football....


But goddamn it I'm just going to enjoy the win!!! 6-1 in CAA play!! Beat Wagner and we're in!

The boos were pouring down late in the 4th when we had the ball with 1:30 left on the clock and coach P was content to go into overtime. At one point he turned around at the crowd and had that look in his face, why is everybody booing!!!. Epic.....

I could hear it on my live stream. Thank goodness the fanbase hasn't forgotten about Chuck's incompetencies even though we're having a good year. A better coach would probably be 9-0 against our schedule (including the USF game).
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 05, 2017, 09:31:42 am
outdated but some good analysis here: http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20171103114419412782504

towson ties, in 3OT elon blocks a short FG, gets the ball.  elon hits a short FG to win.  they're 6-0 with UNH and JMU left.

That's a good analysis. I have to say SBU is locked with this win. Now it's a matter of whether we get a bye, or get a home or away game in first round. All three possibilities are still open. If we win out, good chance we get a bye. If we go 1-1 then we will probably host first round. If we lose the next two, we are probably traveling.

There's a chance CAA gets 5 teams in. Top 5 In CAA standing all won today. JMU and Elon are locked. UNH next plays Elon and Albany. Delaware plays Albany and Nova. One of UNH and Delaware definitely in...can both make it to playoffs?

In contrast, top of MVFC are having a bad day. #2 NDSU, #6 South Dakota, #12 Illinois State all lost today.

wow you really think 5 can get in???

in other news.  EWU lost too, which gives us another chance to move up a spot.  depending on the poll youre reading, also losing was northern arizona and nova. 
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 05, 2017, 11:02:44 am
outdated but some good analysis here: http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20171103114419412782504

towson ties, in 3OT elon blocks a short FG, gets the ball.  elon hits a short FG to win.  they're 6-0 with UNH and JMU left.

That's a good analysis. I have to say SBU is locked with this win. Now it's a matter of whether we get a bye, or get a home or away game in first round. All three possibilities are still open. If we win out, good chance we get a bye. If we go 1-1 then we will probably host first round. If we lose the next two, we are probably traveling.

There's a chance CAA gets 5 teams in. Top 5 In CAA standing all won today. JMU and Elon are locked. UNH next plays Elon and Albany. Delaware plays Albany and Nova. One of UNH and Delaware definitely in...can both make it to playoffs?

In contrast, top of MVFC are having a bad day. #2 NDSU, #6 South Dakota, #12 Illinois State all lost today.

wow you really think 5 can get in???

in other news.  EWU lost too, which gives us another chance to move up a spot.  depending on the poll youre reading, also losing was northern arizona and nova.

I think 5 can get in .. I would give 25% chance. Definitely 4 in. Elon is overrated and will lose to UNH and then UNH will be lock. Question is whether Delaware has enough quality wins, if they win out, to merit a 5th CAA team. Delaware's only good wins are against Richmond and Stony Brook. So that might not be enough. All these assuming they win other games.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 05, 2017, 08:44:27 pm
I forgot Eastern Washington lost. Them along with NAU's loss really opens things up for us a bit more with the Big Sky cannibalizing itself. Weber St.  is right there in the thick of things too though as they're 7-2 as well, but they played a D2 team so we'd have the edge over them in that respect.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Grownman on November 06, 2017, 06:06:17 am
I've been following SB for the past 3years and i said it and i will say it again COACH P play's to win but coaches to lose i will give you and example.  why are you not playing your best player's you have one of your best defensive player's on kick return if he gets hurt that would be a big blow to your defense your running game is predictable i watch this time after time 8 sometimes 9 defender's in the box's and he still runs the ball risking injury to your backs you have 6'8 tightens  utilize them you have one of the best backs in the conference you have some of the best receivers but most of all you have the #1 defense.  this school hasn't had a winning season in years. Your in a playoff hunt and this coach is playing like this is just another game when you really look at it i believe the team wants to win but the coaches don't know how to win COACH P. I think you need to dig deep down inside your soul put all this personal s_ _ t to side  leave your feelings and emotions at home grow some balls and get out there and take this team to that 🏆
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 06, 2017, 06:45:01 am
I've been following SB for the past 3years and i said it and i will say it again COACH P play's to win but coaches to lose i will give you and example.  why are you not playing your best player's you have one of your best defensive player's on kick return if he gets hurt that would be a big blow to your defense your running game is predictable i watch this time after time 8 sometimes 9 defender's in the box's and he still runs the ball risking injury to your backs you have 6'8 tightens  utilize them you have one of the best backs in the conference you have some of the best receivers but most of all you have the #1 defense.  this school hasn't had a winning season in years. Your in a playoff hunt and this coach is playing like this is just another game when you really look at it i believe the team wants to win but the coaches don't know how to win COACH P. I think you need to dig deep down inside your soul put all this personal s_ _ t to side  leave your feelings and emotions at home grow some balls and get out there and take this team to that 🏆

Coach P will never change his style of football.  I am very concerned his contract will be renewed when we make the playoffs. How can Heilbron not renew?? I want nothing more to see SB go deep into the playoofs, but I know that will only seal his new long term contract.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 06, 2017, 09:52:40 am
I've been following SB for the past 3years and i said it and i will say it again COACH P play's to win but coaches to lose i will give you and example.  why are you not playing your best player's you have one of your best defensive player's on kick return if he gets hurt that would be a big blow to your defense your running game is predictable i watch this time after time 8 sometimes 9 defender's in the box's and he still runs the ball risking injury to your backs you have 6'8 tightens  utilize them you have one of the best backs in the conference you have some of the best receivers but most of all you have the #1 defense.  this school hasn't had a winning season in years. Your in a playoff hunt and this coach is playing like this is just another game when you really look at it i believe the team wants to win but the coaches don't know how to win COACH P. I think you need to dig deep down inside your soul put all this personal s_ _ t to side  leave your feelings and emotions at home grow some balls and get out there and take this team to that 🏆

Coach P will never change his style of football.  I am very concerned his contract will be renewed when we make the playoffs. How can Heilbron not renew?? I want nothing more to see SB go deep into the playoofs, but I know that will only seal his new long term contract.

Very good point that didn't come into my mind until now. This was a contract year for Coach P. It was the perfect storm of several senior players, and a weak conference schedule in the CAA that's a large part of this year's success. We're still recruiting well, but we should be so much better since as was mentioned. The play-calling has been terrible and we don't utilize our best players effectively.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: NYstateofmind on November 06, 2017, 10:41:54 am
Quite frankly I think many (of not all of us) have issues with Coach P- but there is NO WAY our current Defense is number #1. Just as point of reference we are #3 in total defense and that is just in the CAA only (our pass defense is 9th) and 10th in Red Zone defense.  As to the Tight end, I don't care if he is 6'8 or 5'8. Does he have the hands to make the catches? (two weeks ago he dropped an easy pass). He had an awesome block in the USF but if you think he's better than the others that is certainly your opinion but I don't.

I would keep Donnie W off the Punt returns (every game he lets one punt get away from him) especially as we get closer to the playoffs we need someone who can field the punts.

Joe C has the players he believes are the ones he wants to go to in game situations and comes from practices during the week. Ray Bolden is LEADING the conference in a couple of categories and that is awesome for him.

This game should not have even come down to an OT if the OL blocks on the 3rd down and Carbone did not try and lateral the ball- KNOWING a FG would have made it a two possession game. Any HS QB who has been playing QB should have that dialed in to his brain on this down. 
And with our current schedule (whether some want to knock the strength or weakness of it) the fact is that is the schedule, and as of today, we have the best record since we joined the CAA (heck just look at Elon who thought they would be in the hunt?) My worries is we don't finish strong against Wagner and Maine. But at some point in time the "balls" you write about have to also come from the players as well especially the seniors. This is what "senior Leadership" means. 
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: sbufan on November 06, 2017, 11:49:45 am
I think we're being too critical. The team is 7-2. There are no easy games in the CAA. Saturday the team was playing without their all american LT, their best defensive lineman, fumbled three times, and still managed to beat our SUNY rival. Let's just enjoy this.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 06, 2017, 12:28:14 pm
and we were in that Delaware game, it was tight.

#15: http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 06, 2017, 12:30:20 pm
compughter: #4 http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/rankings

csm: #10 http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/fcs-football/top-25-rankings
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 06, 2017, 12:52:51 pm
I think we're being too critical. The team is 7-2. There are no easy games in the CAA. Saturday the team was playing without their all american LT, their best defensive lineman, fumbled three times, and still managed to beat our SUNY rival. Let's just enjoy this.

This!

Everyone is free to criticize. But damn... all "this Coach P should be fired" talk is making me sick... we are in the middle of a 7-2 season shooting for the FCS playoffs for the first time since 2012, and first time as CAA members. Leave the coach firing stuff until after the season.

I know it hasn't been pretty and trust me, it was painful to watch the end of the UA game... but we are 7-2. We should be excited about this.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 06, 2017, 01:02:54 pm
STATS #12: http://www.fcs.football/cfb/polls.asp?div=fcs
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 06, 2017, 01:05:58 pm
STATS #12: http://www.fcs.football/cfb/polls.asp?div=fcs

I think that is a fair jump from last week.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 06, 2017, 01:06:15 pm
CBS #21: https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/full?irgwc=1
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 06, 2017, 02:10:27 pm
STATS ranking is the best out there. #12 is fair.

For computer rating #4 is way too high. Sagarin has us #130 in the country and I think #19 in FCS. Massey ranks us #15 in FCS.

Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chrissy D. on November 06, 2017, 02:12:36 pm
I have to agree with a couple of u, this team is 7-2 and u would think from reading these posts that they are 2-7. With one loss to FCS teams and the other to South Florida. This is big boy FCS football and sometimes u have to give credit to yhe other team for having good players and coming to play. Delaware, Richmond, and Albany all had very good QB's and wr's. SB was down two starters this week in Haggert and Paris, one being an AA and the other all conf. Plus and in the leadership they bring. Someone posted that the top def playet is returning kicks, thats not true its two rb's. Most schools play their best players on special teams, Penn St had the top back in the country returning kicks. And all this noise about 88 not being used in the passing game is getting silly now. He is a nice player who has been versitile for SB by playing different positions ( DL, TE, OL ) but lets stop making him out to be the second coming of Gronk. He has been here for 6 yrs now maybe the staff knows something about him that u dont, again great team player. Was Albany game sloppy, yes it was but good teams win those games and this team has shown that they no how to win games like that. Instead of enjoying a playoff run all u hear on the thread is negative nonsense and all the better coaching that u could do. Most people root for teams not for the coach to be fired every 2 min. And again i personally dont root for coaches, i want the team to do well.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: iBOsbu on November 06, 2017, 02:25:01 pm
I just want to add that I love CAA and how competitive it is. So glad we play in this conference with peer institutions rather than Big South or NEC. I don’t know if Long Island (and northeast region) will ever be ready for big time FBS football, but playing competitive football in the CAA (SEC of FCS ;)) so much rewarding than being at the bottom of FBS food chain (Buffalo, Umass, UConn, BC etc.) who have nothing to look forward to every November/December.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 06, 2017, 02:32:24 pm
iBO for that very reason, i keep an eye on the Big South.  sure, it looked like a bad move when Coastal got hot recently, but our SoS is improved and the CAA gets more teams in. 
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 06, 2017, 04:20:09 pm
Leaving the Big South was always going to be a positive move. It was a football only move and made all the sense in the world. Even now the Big South has two teams that could finish 10-1 overall, but still not get a seed and be ranked behind us because of the weakness of that league. It's also actually weaker now than when we were there. Us, Coastal, and VMI are all gone, and Liberty is gone after this season.

The Coaches poll has been a farce this year, but even they have us at 15. STATS has us at 12 which is more accurate. Win out, and I think the selection committee will look favorably upon us. The only threats to us from a seeing perspective are Southern Utah and Elon (if they beat JMU). South Dakota is certain to lose one of the next two at least, and WIU has three losses. We're looking good guys. Just take care of business. A conference title is still a possibility too, but needs serious chaos.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: justconcern on November 06, 2017, 05:44:48 pm
The game against Albany was very intents, but our team did what they needed to do to win.  Some of you all might feel that the defense the Legion of Wolves is not that great but I feel that the defense is awesome those five young men put their heart and soul into the games along with the rest of the defense players. I do feel that coach P coaches on his emotions and feeling towards most of the players and he needs to stop and remember there is no I in team.  I feel that he does not believe in the teams abilities and he does not trust their capabilities as players.  The team will only play as good as the person who is in charge.  Coach P needs to learn how to let his staff participate in helping him.  There is no player on the team better than the next, but every parent, family member would like to see the player they come out to represent touch the field and it is understandable because everyone will believe that their child is just as good as the next player. But this is not about who is the best and who should play and not play.  This should be about SBU getting to the playoff after not getting in for five years.
Coach P is going to be coach P but Saturday just showed his true abilities as a coach.  What coach has his own fans booing them that was  crazy.  Right now we need to stay focus on what is important to the team and that is them getting to the playoffs.  Go SBU!
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 06, 2017, 08:35:11 pm
The game against Albany was very intents, but our team did what they needed to do to win.  Some of you all might feel that the defense the Legion of Wolves is not that great but I feel that the defense is awesome those five young men put their heart and soul into the games along with the rest of the defense players. I do feel that coach P coaches on his emotions and feeling towards most of the players and he needs to stop and remember there is no I in team.  I feel that he does not believe in the teams abilities and he does not trust their capabilities as players.  The team will only play as good as the person who is in charge.  Coach P needs to learn how to let his staff participate in helping him.  There is no player on the team better than the next, but every parent, family member would like to see the player they come out to represent touch the field and it is understandable because everyone will believe that their child is just as good as the next player. But this is not about who is the best and who should play and not play.  This should be about SBU getting to the playoff after not getting in for five years.
Coach P is going to be coach P but Saturday just showed his true abilities as a coach.  What coach has his own fans booing them that was  crazy.  Right now we need to stay focus on what is important to the team and that is them getting to the playoffs.  Go SBU!

Well said and spot on.. Something a lot of us have been saying for a long time now.. Coach P is coach P, no changing hom.. Either love him or hate him, he's not changing is style of football..
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: ry1nik on November 07, 2017, 08:32:50 am
There's no question that Priore's record has been very mediocre, especially in light of the playoff drought for such a large university like SBU. I wouldn't give him much credit for earlier playoff appearances. The only reason they made it there was because of two "gifts" dropped in his lap when Hofstra dropped its program and freed up two outstanding running backs. This playoff year could very well be an outlier. Any contract extension should not be based on what happens this year...the program could revert to the mean next year.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: SBUFootball on November 07, 2017, 10:39:46 am
Chrissy;  you are way off on many issue..

Return game:   You have one of the best players sitting on the bench #3 not being used that is crazy & he  transferred to SBU from Boston College & he has the best skills at this position.

SBU D: THIS TEAM PLAYS A PREVENT THEY DO NOT PLAY WELL MAN ON MAN off the line.

Using TE: 1st of all they do not get proper reps in practice which effects consistency on the field; 88 does have great hands & good speed &  yes he does train with 2 former NFL receivers & he has skills not being utilized at SBU .. When you have a  6 ft 8" player sitting on the bench on third down & short is just poor execution using TE in games....   We have  #45 on the field also; they might average 1 or 2 catches a game  #88 had injury issue early in the season & he finally getting back to 100%.

Chrissy you have family member on the field the last 2 years; i been here 6 & SBU is not an offence that use TE in there game planning  enough it's a shame. Go back and look at game film against Towson RI the middle was wide open & when our TE ran routes that had a huge size advantage coaches didn't adjust.  Look at most successful teams in the NCAA & NFL they are a huge asset in there game planning. & yes most players are not a (Gronk) ass statement you stated.

To state he doesn't have hands & can't catch... you are truly don't have no ideal what your talking about.

There has not been 1 player with issue recently on this team; RB have been fumbling often in the last several game & there has been a lot of dropped balls by the WR.

SBU offensive:   We do not you the short field very well & teams load the box & the only wat to off set this is to use the short passing game w RB & TE which will also open up the deep routes.

If you feel like discussing this more one on one I look forward to at senior game.....

Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chrissy D. on November 07, 2017, 03:59:04 pm
Slow your roll SBUFootball. First off i have no family members on the team and i have been following SBU football for 27 yrs ever since I played there. I never said 88 has no hands, someone else commented on him dropping the ball. What i said in regards to the return game was that it is not uncommon to use your starting backs on returns, a lot of schools do it. Liotine is averaging just about 24 yds a return wich is the same ave that Alston had last yr. I never said Alston cant play. As far as the defense goes I gave some credit to the other teams for having good QB's and WR's , dont quite get the prevent def statement. What is your point about who 88 works out with, its irrelevent. And yes he is talked about on this thread like he is Gronk. I didnt dog him i said he was a versital player who put the team first. As far as you teaching me anything, save it dude. I have seen this program first hand from Div 3 when we played on a jr high school field. I watched Coach Kornhauser take it to the new stadium and FCS level. And I have watched them for the last 10 yrs with Priore have some ups and downs. I will take what the school has now over playing by the train station in front of 100 people. Save your lessons for someone else and if you are going to call me out by name get your facts straight.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Campi47 on November 07, 2017, 04:25:57 pm
If you listened to Coach P on his 100 yard walk recap he said that Albany had an 19 play drive and tied the score so when they got the ball back they ran the ball to eat up the clock so Albany would have no time left in regulation and he felt comfortable going into OT

I have been coming to SBU Games since they were a club team under Fred Kemp and believe me this is more than I could have ever dreamed about

Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Chrissy D. on November 07, 2017, 04:43:33 pm
Couldnt agree more Campi. I was good friends with the late Fred Kemp jr. It was Fred sr. who encouraged my brother and I to go to SB and play. Great family, both deeply missed.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 08, 2017, 01:20:04 am
There's no question that Priore's record has been very mediocre, especially in light of the playoff drought for such a large university like SBU. I wouldn't give him much credit for earlier playoff appearances. The only reason they made it there was because of two "gifts" dropped in his lap when Hofstra dropped its program and freed up two outstanding running backs. This playoff year could very well be an outlier. Any contract extension should not be based on what happens this year...the program could revert to the mean next year.

Yes, yes, yes. This!!! I love that we're back in the running for the playoffs, but my God it shouldn't have taken this long. This is a contract year and we have tons of seniors on this team. I really want to see what he does next year. That will be telling. If we give him an extension  right now, that'd be a huge mistake. He knew he'd have loads of seniors and an easier schedule. These schedules are decided far, far in advance so coach P knew what was going on. As was mentioned, he's not going to change his style now, so extending him now would be a mistake. The improvement of Carbone is nice to see though. If we win 7 games next year, then maybe you can start talking about an extension.
Title: Re: 2017 Empire Clash - vs. Albany (Game 9)
Post by: Hammertime on November 08, 2017, 04:53:55 am
There's no question that Priore's record has been very mediocre, especially in light of the playoff drought for such a large university like SBU. I wouldn't give him much credit for earlier playoff appearances. The only reason they made it there was because of two "gifts" dropped in his lap when Hofstra dropped its program and freed up two outstanding running backs. This playoff year could very well be an outlier. Any contract extension should not be based on what happens this year...the program could revert to the mean next year.

Yes, yes, yes. This!!! I love that we're back in the running for the playoffs, but my God it shouldn't have taken this long. This is a contract year and we have tons of seniors on this team. I really want to see what he does next year. That will be telling. If we give him an extension  right now, that'd be a huge mistake. He knew he'd have loads of seniors and an easier schedule. These schedules are decided far, far in advance so coach P knew what was going on. As was mentioned, he's not going to change his style now, so extending him now would be a mistake. The improvement of Carbone is nice to see though. If we win 7 games next year, then maybe you can start talking about an extension.

There is only one person who needs to be convinced of this, and that is Shawn Heilbron..I think SH is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Coach P was influential in the hiring of SH several years ago. How does SH NOT renew P contract next year especially if SB wins a game or two in this year playoff??

I agree 100% with you about the 2 gifts you were referring to with the closure of Hofstra Football program. Top recruits from Long Island find their way into other FCS schools and some FBS...Coach P need to find a way to get them into SB for their education and for football.If he cant do that then may be SH has a huge, difficult decision to make at the end of next season