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Title: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Tml on March 18, 2017, 07:40:14 pm
I though this would be an interesting question for SB fans to answer. 
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: laxnation on March 18, 2017, 09:50:07 pm
I know it's only been only two or three years for the women's bb coach, but when does she get the hook for finishing 2nd to last in the worst conference in women's bb?

Also, where all these championships that AD promised the Stony Brook family?
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Tml on March 19, 2017, 05:19:23 am
Which team in which sport is performing better since Heilbron go the job?  Certainly, not WBB, which is your point, though to be fair to McCombs she recruited then lost Ogechi, who was like Warney.  Not Baseball or MBB or Football.  WLAX maybe?

So what are Heilbron's accomplishments since his arrival?  It's a serious question.  I'd really like to know.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Hammertime on March 19, 2017, 06:12:00 am
I know it's only been only two or three years for the women's bb coach, but when does she get the hook for finishing 2nd to last in the worst conference in women's bb?

Also, where all these championships that AD promised the Stony Brook family?

You're being too hard on the AD, coaches, players, janitors, cooks, security, AE conference,.... Lax.. Some people on here get insulted if you have an opinion. What you need to do is say that SB athletics is doing great!, we're improving and getting better every year!! WBB is doing great!!!!!!!! Pat the coaches on the back and say, "tomorrow is another day". Then give them a safe space to sit and talk. Oh, the thousands of dollars that you donate to SB athletics, who cares. Nobody really cares about that and they dont need your money anyways..I'm finished ranting.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: VA_Seawolf on March 21, 2017, 03:58:37 pm
I think he's been neutral as far as on the court performance goes. Most of that rests on the individual coaches. Piekiel had SB basketball trending up and Priore FB trending down independent of what SH has done. I think he's increased awareness and visibility of SB athletics and projects like the pool being finished and Lavalle stadium having the north end-zone be expanded are good things to happen under his tenure so far.

I think he's got us going in the right direction though based on how I hear fans of other schools talk about our athletic department. I hear the term "aggressive" being used often which is good to hear, especially in the wake of the leadership of schools like Idaho (dropping to FCS) and JMU (declining a Sun Belt invite).

President Stanley seeing the value in athletics is extremely important as well and cannot be understated as the struggles of other schools can in part be tied to inept leadership at the university level. The snobby mentality of "we're too good for athletics" is toxic for the growth of an athletic department (Tulane for instance would still be in the SEC today for instance had they not made the boneheaded decision to de-emphasize athletics in the 60's). We should thank our lucky stars Stanley isn't like that.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 27, 2017, 10:55:29 am
Like him or not, and reason for his dismissal aside, my view is that Fiore's regime was a major contributor to where the program has come.  He was a visionary and a vocal cheerleader for the University, that got SBU a lot of press.  For example, his touting the University during its College World Series run was superb, IMO, even if he was rambunctious and flamboyant (and some may even say, self-serving).  Heilbron seems much lower key and much less visible outside of the University.  This may have been needed initially, after the Fiore dismissal, but I think he needs to sell the brand more, and certainly become more visible externally.  I mean, except for the athletes, the donors and the AD fraternity, who even knows his name?

He definitely made a bold pick with Boals as MBB coach, but after 1 season, I think it was the right move and a good one.  If his main emphasis is the football team, however, then he needs to make a coaching change, since I think Priore is definitely not the way to go moving forward.

I gave it a Treading Water, although I would have stated the option as "hasn't helped the program, hasn't hurt the program much".
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Hammertime on March 27, 2017, 05:02:17 pm
Like him or not, and reason for his dismissal aside, my view is that Fiore's regime was a major contributor to where the program has come.  He was a visionary and a vocal cheerleader for the University, that got SBU a lot of press.  For example, his touting the University during its College World Series run was superb, IMO, even if he was rambunctious and flamboyant (and some may even say, self-serving).  Heilbron seems much lower key and much less visible outside of the University.  This may have been needed initially, after the Fiore dismissal, but I think he needs to sell the brand more, and certainly become more visible externally.  I mean, except for the athletes, the donors and the AD fraternity, who even knows his name?

He definitely made a bold pick with Boals as MBB coach, but after 1 season, I think it was the right move and a good one.  If his main emphasis is the football team, however, then he needs to make a coaching change, since I think Priore is definitely not the way to go moving forward.

I gave it a Treading Water, although I would have stated the option as "hasn't helped the program, hasn't hurt the program much".

I like Heilbron and believe he is trying his hardest to raise money for athletics. We all knew that would be a tough task to accomplish, but he is trying very hard.. I dont like how he is not giving coach P the boot, considering SH claims to be a football first AD and wants to turn SB into a  powerhouse. First things first. Fire the HC and regroup..
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Wolfie_MD on March 27, 2017, 06:40:35 pm
I'm happy with what Shawn has been doing here. He's done a good job fundraising which is probably Job #1, 2, and 3 here. The football stuff does have to get better- if the football team underachieves yet again, he's going to have to make some tough moves. He has helped continue explosive growth of women's lacrosse. The men's lacrosse team has been OK- it should be better. Women's basketball hasn't made much progress to be honest. Baseball has been solid and it will stay that way with Coach Senk. I can't comment on the other sports with any knowledge but I know he's made moves in volleyball as well.

Men's lacrosse and women's basketball are the two places that the program could and should improve.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 25, 2017, 10:33:16 am
woodruff to loyola!
http://www.baltimoresun.com/g00/sports/college/bs-sp-loyola-athletic-director-0523-20170523-story.html?i10c.referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fnetwork.laxpower.com%2Flaxforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D1%26t%3D61616%26p%3D1519194%26hilit%3Dstony

i wish her the best of luck.  nice move.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on May 25, 2017, 11:41:21 am
  Good move on her part . Wish her the best she did a fine job at SBU . And yes  I voted for our present AD I think he is moving us along well as can be expected .  See how his 2000 new seats in the football stadium fill up in September .
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: iBOsbu on December 07, 2017, 06:27:17 pm
New Thursday blog post from SH
http://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2017/12/7/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-dec-7-2017.aspx
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on December 07, 2017, 09:29:22 pm
The potential is there it takes time , money and fan support at games.   Still  think he is doing  great job and believes we can become a Virginia or Cal
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: ecasadoSBU on December 07, 2017, 09:49:21 pm
Great read!

Lets keep growing!
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: VA_Seawolf on December 07, 2017, 09:59:10 pm
New Thursday blog post from SH
http://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2017/12/7/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-dec-7-2017.aspx

I'm glad he mentioned out AAU membership status and highlighted it. I'm also glad he pointed out where we could wind up someday. I think it's a stretch to say we're literal peers to Cal and UVA, but the potential is there to be there one day.

Fun fact: Out of all the public universities in the AAU with football, only two of them have the sport at the FCS level. UC Davis, and us. Everyone else is FBS with most of them being in Power 5 conferences.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 22, 2018, 09:27:20 am
anyone know where we are with the haskell cup?  of course, our success in football is ineligible (due to being in the CAA) so no help there.

https://www.americaeast.com/news/2017/11/29/commishcupfall17-18.aspx?path=athletics
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 31, 2018, 09:02:46 pm
all the right messages: https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2018/5/31/Together_We_Transform_March_31.aspx?path=blog

really good marketing of our program and successes.  ;D
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on June 28, 2018, 09:41:42 pm
  I just read Shawns latest  blog posted today .  He has accomplished quite abit nd has plans or a lot more.   These could be exciting times on the horizon . Have to give him for getting things done.   Considering money is tight at the Brook now he is ambitious.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: VA_Seawolf on June 30, 2018, 01:51:35 am
  I just read Shawns latest  blog posted today .  He has accomplished quite abit nd has plans or a lot more.   These could be exciting times on the horizon . Have to give him for getting things done.   Considering money is tight at the Brook now he is ambitious.

I read this and then went to read the blog. Extremely ambitious. A few things jump out to me.

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Expand the seating capacity of Kenneth P. LaValle Stadium to a minimum of 15,000 and add fan amenities, including new restrooms and points of sale for concessions, merchandise and tickets.

15K is the magic number for FBS football, so that's not a shock. The new concession stand is already in on the north side of the stadium and is a great addition.

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Provide appropriate facilities for new women's program(s) to be added in the future.

As per Title IX, if you're going to add scholarships for FBS football, you'll need to match that with 22 additional women's scholarships. Which sports he has in mind is anyone's guess, but comments like this are consistent with going FBS in football.

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Develop a soccer-specific venue for training and competition.

Now this is where we start going off the rails here. I know soccer is gaining popularity in the US, but I was previously of the opinion that if we were going to go FBS, we'd need to cut men's soccer in order to make the scholarship increase easier to stomach. Doubling down on soccer with a dedicated facility is going the opposite direction. Obviously the women's team could use it, but with words like this, Shawn has no intention of cutting anything anywhere. I'm curious how this will ultimately shake out as if we're going to go FBS, the move will have to be made in the next 5-7 years to align with the next College Football Playoff contract. How we're going to pay for 22 more football scholarships, more women's sports, the stadium expansion, and staffing costs associated with those moves is of great interest to me. We're already paying Coach P FBS money (seriously, look it up), but if we're going to be a respectable FBS program, we'll need to at least double the current allotment to coaching salaries for football.

Not saying we can't pull it off because we clearly can, but something is going to have to give somewhere. College Football Playoff distributions, FBS conference distributions, TV revenue, NCAA tournament credits (thank you UMBC) can offset many of these costs, but I'd rather be cautiously optimistic than be super bullish.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: ry1nik on June 30, 2018, 06:58:59 am
Agree on doubt about the wisdom of putting money into soccer. Having a winning soccer program does little to enhance the stature of the university.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: OldSeawolf on June 30, 2018, 10:05:35 am
Agreed.  Soccer is not a winner at all.  Not to mention that soccer took a huge hit in this country with us not making the World Cup.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on June 30, 2018, 01:03:51 pm
 I would rather put money into football and the basketball programs that's where the major press coverage is .  Our other sports all should get their share . Soccer he is talking a complete new venue of 3500 seats so I have heard .   This could be interesting since I get the impression that FBS football is closer than we think for the Seawolves .  Our old rivals in the Big South Coastal Carolina and Liberty are both FBS now .  Coastal almost beat Arkansas last season losing by a field goal .
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 01, 2018, 01:32:38 pm
I would rather put money into football and the basketball programs that's where the major press coverage is .  Our other sports all should get their share . Soccer he is talking a complete new venue of 3500 seats so I have heard .   This could be interesting since I get the impression that FBS football is closer than we think for the Seawolves .  Our old rivals in the Big South Coastal Carolina and Liberty are both FBS now .  Coastal almost beat Arkansas last season losing by a field goal .

We are very close to FBS, what we need is a conference invite. I don't believe we should go the Liberty/Umass/NMSU route of being an FBS Independent, so we'll need to find a conference that will invite us. Best odds of that are the MAC, or a reconfigured CUSA with a more eastern tilt.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on July 01, 2018, 04:18:19 pm
The MAC would be great .  From what I have heard we have some support in that conference from Buffalo and few others .  Just gotta get that invite and build from there.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Hammertime on July 01, 2018, 05:26:57 pm
I would rather put money into football and the basketball programs that's where the major press coverage is .  Our other sports all should get their share . Soccer he is talking a complete new venue of 3500 seats so I have heard .   This could be interesting since I get the impression that FBS football is closer than we think for the Seawolves .  Our old rivals in the Big South Coastal Carolina and Liberty are both FBS now .  Coastal almost beat Arkansas last season losing by a field goal .

We are very close to FBS, what we need is a conference invite. I don't believe we should go the Liberty/Umass/NMSU route of being an FBS Independent, so we'll need to find a conference that will invite us. Best odds of that are the MAC, or a reconfigured CUSA with a more eastern tilt.

VASeawolf, Why do you say we are close. As much as I would love to see SB make that jump to FBS, I just dont see it anytime soon. SB would have make LaValle stadium to handle 15K seats, Min. and sell 15K tickets for each home game, if not then SB is on the hook to pay the difference. Correct me if i am wrong but i do believe that is one of the requirements from the NCAA. We do about 7K on average now.

Hofstra couldn't even handle the CAA in Football and was forced to drop it because of financial reasons. If I am not mistaken, there is a hiring freeze currently in affect and a cutback in $$$$ for athletics. How in the world can Shawn Heilbron pool a rabbit out of his hat and make the leap to FBS?? Unless they magically find a ton of money or if some big time booster steps forward, i just dont see how SB can ever make this fly.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 01, 2018, 07:28:25 pm
agreed; what could be worse than SB paying extra to buy it's own tickets, so that football can play in a literally half empty stadium.

i do agree as well that FB and BB should be priorities.  after that, baseball is historically successful and lacrosse is in anomaly (because of geographical reasons).

on to the women's side- wlax should become a top 5 priority if not higher.  can you even argue against it.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 01, 2018, 07:52:31 pm
The MAC would be great .  From what I have heard we have some support in that conference from Buffalo and few others .  Just gotta get that invite and build from there.

I believe we have support yes and there were talks with the MAC several years ago, however I don't believe Buffalo will be in favor of our membership. If we go FBS, their program becomes even more irrelevant than it already is since the only thing they have on us right now is being FBS. I suspect they'd fight against our inclusion into the MAC, but I'm happy to be wrong there.

Hammertime, yes the 15k average is a requirement for FBS, but nobody enforces that rule, it's not in the interest of the P5 to do so. If that rule were enforced, most of the MAC and Sun Belt would be relegated back down to FCS. Besides, I don't believe schools literally buy back their tickets at face value. You're in a way just buying your own product back at that point and paying yourself. Not sure I even see the point. Coastal Carolina got an invite to the Sun Belt when their stadium was smaller than ours is currently. If they can manage to be FBS, so can we. It may not happen tomorrow, but I can certainly see it within a decade. What Hofstra did with their program is of no concern to me. They have less than half the enrollment we do. All of our peer institutions and fellow public AAU members with football are FBS with the lone exception of UC Davis.

Being FBS gives you a huge boost as far as exposure and media dollars which would help to offset many of the increased costs we'd incur. Not only that, but FBS games tend to be much better attended than FCS games since it's difficult for FCS teams in large markets to be relevant. Attendance wouldn't be an issue if we were getting Army, Uconn, Temple, Buffalo etc. coming to Lavalle.

Chairman, I do worry about money, but on the same token we're already spending FBS level dollars on our athletic programs without the FBS exposure and revenues to offset that. With that information, no, I don't think FBS football is a huge stretch for SBU in the near future. Give the link below a look if you get the chance, it's updated NCAA financial data for public schools for the 2016-17 school year and it's very eye opening.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 01, 2018, 08:52:19 pm
thanks, very helpful.   :) :)
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on July 02, 2018, 11:39:47 am
When you read his plan even without FBS football we are planning to spend millions. Upgrades to the baseball and softball fields , more work on the pool ,  two new womens programs , locker room improvements etc.  That money has to come from somewhere.   Im sure we can pull it off in the next few years .
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 08, 2018, 09:29:40 pm
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Our finish of 90 placed us ahead of Power 5 schools Boston College (95), Rutgers (107), Pitt (111) and Georgia Tech (121). Following our strong start to the year, we were ranked 42 in the Directors' Cup Fall standings. The best finish in school history was 68 in 2011-12.


https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2018/7/5/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-july-5-2018.aspx?path=blog
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on July 08, 2018, 10:06:30 pm
He continues to move the ball forward . We are in good company and moving forward.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 23, 2018, 07:14:13 pm
analysis of recent wins against the power 5: https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2018/8/23/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-aug-23-2018.aspx?path=blog

ouch, rutgers!
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: VA_Seawolf on August 23, 2018, 08:12:04 pm
analysis of recent wins against the power 5: https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2018/8/23/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-aug-23-2018.aspx?path=blog

ouch, rutgers!

If we had played Rutgers in football last year, I have no doubt we would have beaten them too. And fairly easily at that.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on August 23, 2018, 09:29:43 pm
They just lost 8 players  today due to  credit card fraud these guys were operating. Sounds like Binghamton  from years back .   A real bunch of knuckleheads.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 23, 2018, 10:14:17 pm
They just lost 8 players  today due to  credit card fraud these guys were operating. Sounds like Binghamton  from years back .   A real bunch of knuckleheads.

embarrassing
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 02, 2018, 02:12:40 pm
is it me, or has every single headline the past few days been SB sports winning???
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Seawolf97 on October 02, 2018, 05:05:39 pm
No  we are on a winning streak lately . Football , men and women's soccer and volleyball all had wins this past weekend and extended their respective streaks .    I think its the caliber of student athletes we are attracting now are just a little better than what it was several  years ago and don't forget better coaching staffs.   Money does make a difference in Div 1 sports.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 02, 2018, 11:23:16 pm
No  we are on a winning streak lately . Football , men and women's soccer and volleyball all had wins this past weekend and extended their respective streaks .    I think its the caliber of student athletes we are attracting now are just a little better than what it was several  years ago and don't forget better coaching staffs.   Money does make a difference in Div 1 sports.

Our facilities are among the best for a school at our level, and student athletes can get the same caliber of education that they'd get at a P5 school. SBU is becoming less and less of a secret which is great. I still think we need that big breakout athletic moment that will really put us on the map (Final Four, FCS title), but we're trending in the right direction.
Title: Re: Shawn Heilbron
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 04, 2018, 03:52:08 pm
is it me, or has every single headline the past few days been SB sports winning???

https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2018/10/4/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-oct-4-2018.aspx?path=blog


The combined 9-0-1 start by those four teams has created a substantial buzz within our department. Our student-athletes feed off of the energy created by their collective success.  Now our task is to keep it rolling.