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Title: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on March 19, 2016, 11:39:41 am
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2016/03/rutgers_will_hire_steve_pikiell_as_its_new_basketb.html

"Steve Pikiell, who took over a four-win Stony Brook team and led it into the NCAA Tournament for the first time this season, has been hired as the new Rutgers head basketball coach, a source told NJ Advance Media.

Pikiell will replace Eddie Jordan, the former Rutgers star whose three-year run as head coach ended when the Scarlet Knights won just seven games last season.
"

Now what??  >:(
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Checkmate on March 19, 2016, 11:52:36 am
http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2016/03/rutgers_will_hire_steve_pikiell_as_its_new_basketb.html

"Steve Pikiell, who took over a four-win Stony Brook team and led it into the NCAA Tournament for the first time this season, has been hired as the new Rutgers head basketball coach, a source told NJ Advance Media.

Pikiell will replace Eddie Jordan, the former Rutgers star whose three-year run as head coach ended when the Scarlet Knights won just seven games last season.
"

Now what??  >:(

A wonderful tenure here in Stony Brook. He'll be missed. May take a while for us to realize how good we had it.

Give me someone who's young and energetic and has high aspirations for this team. This is a good job for somebody.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on March 19, 2016, 11:58:22 am
I don't get why Rutgers.. it's a rotten place despite being in Big10. He could've waited for better coaching job.

I think Shawn will bring in someone hungry. Hopefully from east coast, not a Pac12 assistant.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 19, 2016, 12:05:52 pm
Coach P was on easy street at SBU . Rutgers entire athletic program is in shambles why start over as he did at SBU?  Sit back and wait and see now see what the Stonybrook spin machine says . Willing to bet some players leave also along with the staff . Complete new regime now . 
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Checkmate on March 19, 2016, 01:49:26 pm
Not an ideal move for him probably, but if he had any aspirations of moving to a high major program, he had to strike now. Two mediocre seasons would take him off the coaching radar completely.

And Eddie Jordan got paid $1.45 million plus bonuses. Big payday. He would have to be silly to stay.

Some names that friends and I have batted around: Tom Pecora, Seth Greenberg, Will Brown, Jay Young, Craig Robinson. No inside knowledge; just throwing them out.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Checkmate on March 19, 2016, 02:07:41 pm
Sounds like Jay Young is the favorite
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 19, 2016, 02:25:01 pm
For continuity   within the program Jay Young  would be the best choice .  New guy from outside would upset a delicate apple cart.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 19, 2016, 02:53:38 pm
Coach P was on easy street at SBU . Rutgers entire athletic program is in shambles why start over as he did at SBU?  Sit back and wait and see now see what the Stonybrook spin machine says . Willing to bet some players leave also along with the staff . Complete new regime now .

Mike Alomancy doesn't appear very happy about this news, as per his tweets!!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 19, 2016, 02:56:16 pm
I don't get why Rutgers.. it's a rotten place despite being in Big10. He could've waited for better coaching job.

I think Shawn will bring in someone hungry. Hopefully from east coast, not a Pac12 assistant.

I am not upset about this news one tiny bit. SB has a pretty big piggy bank now and I think paying a high major assistant $500,000 a year to start will entice some good coaches to make the leap over!!!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on March 19, 2016, 03:11:36 pm
Continuity IMHO is not that important because of the graduating class. This team will have an entirely different flavor next year anyway so I don't think we need to maintain too much continuity. I appreciate what Jay Young has done as an assistant but I'm in favor of going for a sexier hire. I'd be in favor of plucking an assistant from a big program with a proven recruiting record. Stony Brook is on the up and up- you have fantastic facilities and a very dedicated fan base.

As I've said numerous times, I have a lot of faith in Shawn to make the right move. I think we're a very appealing option for a young coach looking to establish himself. Plus, Stony Brook is such a great place to raise a young family. I'm excited for this next step for Stony Brook athletics.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 19, 2016, 03:41:45 pm
Continuity IMHO is not that important because of the graduating class. This team will have an entirely different flavor next year anyway so I don't think we need to maintain too much continuity. I appreciate what Jay Young has done as an assistant but I'm in favor of going for a sexier hire. I'd be in favor of plucking an assistant from a big program with a proven recruiting record. Stony Brook is on the up and up- you have fantastic facilities and a very dedicated fan base.

As I've said numerous times, I have a lot of faith in Shawn to make the right move. I think we're a very appealing option for a young coach looking to establish himself. Plus, Stony Brook is such a great place to raise a young family. I'm excited for this next step for Stony Brook athletics.

Agreed a 100%. I think the future will be brighter. I have faith with our AD. Young might be a heavy choice right now because of his tenure with Pikiell, but I think we need to make the next leap forward. I want the big leagues, and want it now!!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 19, 2016, 04:31:42 pm
As long as everyone keeps in mind this is the America East. At best we may move to the CAA at some point in the future .  The ACC isn't calling yet . Very long way to go .
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 19, 2016, 04:40:04 pm
As long as everyone keeps in mind this is the America East. At best we may move to the CAA at some point in the future .  The ACC isn't calling yet . Very long way to go .

I meant to say. Find an assistant from the ACC
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Tml on March 19, 2016, 04:55:27 pm
He was at his peak at SB.  With Warney graduating, it was a good time to go.  This team won't be as good next year. 

Better job, failing program, more money.  Perfect timing and perfect job for him.  Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 19, 2016, 05:07:56 pm
  You are probably going to see a few players leave or not show up if they  are freshmen.  Could be even a weaker team next year than expected.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 19, 2016, 05:44:46 pm
  You are probably going to see a few players leave or not show up if they  are freshmen.  Could be even a weaker team next year than expected.

I am afraid this could quite possibly be the case, Seawolf97.. This is going to be a very slow, and painful recovery for us. Coach P leaves when his best player graduates. I think is skelly. Sorry, but I do.. He leaves us with an empty tank!!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 19, 2016, 05:48:44 pm
$1.6 million a year deal. wow!!!

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/greg-logan/steve-pikiell-s-successor-at-stony-brook-how-about-jay-young-1.11595526
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on March 19, 2016, 06:01:19 pm
Can't blame Coach for taking that money- that's the type of deal that will keep his family comfortable for the rest of their lives.

Again, I want Shawn to make a measured decision. I know its appealing to stick with the known commodity in Jay Young but it would be silly to not test the waters and see what the interest is out there. We won't poach an assistant from Kentucky or Duke, but there isn't a laundry list of more appealing mid-majors. Like I've said, we have great facilities, a very passionate fanbase, and an appealing location.

If we lose some players to transfer, I understand and its part of the process. However that's a cost I'd be more than willing to make if it means finding the right coach who will help us be competitive in the long run.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 20, 2016, 05:21:38 pm
i could be wrong on this but i see that pikiell was getting just over $300k.  if the RU deal is 1.6 for 5 years, what raise exactly is he getting?  a guarantee?  signing bonus / performance bonus???

http://www.nycbuckets.com/head-coach-contract-tracker/
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on March 20, 2016, 05:50:30 pm
i could be wrong on this but i see that pikiell was getting just over $300k.  if the RU deal is 1.6 for 5 years, what raise exactly is he getting?  a guarantee?  signing bonus / performance bonus???

http://www.nycbuckets.com/head-coach-contract-tracker/

$1.6m per year.. $8m & 5 years contract
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: laxnation on March 20, 2016, 08:36:34 pm
i could be wrong on this but i see that pikiell was getting just over $300k.  if the RU deal is 1.6 for 5 years, what raise exactly is he getting?  a guarantee?  signing bonus / performance bonus???

http://www.nycbuckets.com/head-coach-contract-tracker/
Last year, Pikiell made $455K, which includes camps and bonuses.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 20, 2016, 09:24:02 pm
ahh yes i see.  i thought it was 1.6 total.  didnt sound right...
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 22, 2016, 03:53:17 pm
I suppose this is somewhat expected of Warney endorsing Pikiell and Rutgers, but man. This sucks. What about your school??????

https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting,rutgers/news/nba-prospect-jameel-warney-says-new-rutgers-coach-steve-pikiell-will-get-it-done-in-recruiting/168523776
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: steveoh on March 22, 2016, 04:52:48 pm
Coaches come. Coaches go. When they leave, we should ask ourselves if they left the program in a better place than when they took it over and gives thanks if they did.

There's no doubt that Coach Pikiell did that.

Thank you, Coach. And best of luck.

And now it's up to Jay Young or whomever we pick to raise the stature of Coach Pikiell's program to even greater heights. It might not be in a year or two. It might be in eleven. But that's the job.

And that's how a Stony Brook becomes a Gonzaga.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Checkmate on March 24, 2016, 11:45:23 am
Newsday: http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/college-basketball/stony-brook-ad-shawn-heilbron-pledges-national-search-for-steve-pikiell-s-successor-1.11606402

Heilbron: ďThatís at the top, someone who has been at and knows how to recruit at a strong academic school. We also want someone who preaches and knows how to teach defense. We donít want to lose our identity as a defensive-minded team. And itís someone who cares about these student-athletes as people and wants to develop them as young men and basketball players.Ē

Also sounds like Jay Young has some interesting options. In my opinion, the longer this drags, the less likely it is the job is his.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Checkmate on March 24, 2016, 12:02:39 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osraZri5gak

Pikiell intro conference at Rutgers.

He did a nice job. Awfully optimistic though. Great to see the whole SBU crew there to support him, including Jameel and Trey.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: laxnation on March 24, 2016, 12:37:15 pm
All new SUNY positions must remain open for at
Newsday: http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/college-basketball/stony-brook-ad-shawn-heilbron-pledges-national-search-for-steve-pikiell-s-successor-1.11606402

Heilbron: ďThatís at the top, someone who has been at and knows how to recruit at a strong academic school. We also want someone who preaches and knows how to teach defense. We donít want to lose our identity as a defensive-minded team. And itís someone who cares about these student-athletes as people and wants to develop them as young men and basketball players.Ē

Also sounds like Jay Young has some interesting options. In my opinion, the longer this drags, the less likely it is the job is his.
All new SUNY positions must remain open for at least 30 days before announcing the new hire.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: joewillie on March 24, 2016, 02:10:57 pm
As long as everyone keeps in mind this is the America East. At best we may move to the CAA at some point in the future .  The ACC isn't calling yet . Very long way to go .

I would love to see all sports move to the CAA.   
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 24, 2016, 02:58:55 pm
As long as everyone keeps in mind this is the America East. At best we may move to the CAA at some point in the future .  The ACC isn't calling yet . Very long way to go .

I would love to see all sports move to the CAA.
Without a doubt. I think the time is right to make the move now.. Some people will argue the fact that the AE is just as good as the CAA in most sports. I disagree except for Lacrosse.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: sbugold on March 24, 2016, 04:26:34 pm

[/quote]I would love to see all sports move to the CAA.   
[/quote]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again--I'd love to see the America East and CAA merge!!  If you check out the overlaps of sports and universities it's a natural.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 24, 2016, 10:15:36 pm
The CAA  in all sports  would and should be our next move.  Whether they merge or not the CAA  is respectable and a step up for us.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on March 24, 2016, 11:42:30 pm
Not sure if the CAA in basketball makes sense for us. Both the CAA and America East are 1 bid leagues in basketball. I'd rather stick around in the AE for now.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 25, 2016, 04:23:25 am
Not sure if the CAA in basketball makes sense for us. Both the CAA and America East are 1 bid leagues in basketball. I'd rather stick around in the AE for now.

Doc. The majority of div1 conferences are a 1 bid league, except for a few. I really dont see SB moving into a power conference or even a at large friendly conference  for a very, very long time!  But moving all sports to the CAA makes sense. And who knows, if SBB becomes a powerhouse in the future maybe a move into the A10 for Basketball would work.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on March 25, 2016, 12:56:49 pm
Moving to CAA makes no sense, in my opinion.. for the following reasons:

1) Both CAA and AE are one bid conferences, but CAA is more competitive. Therefore, chances of making to the NCAA tourney will be reduced.. since they are both one bid conferences, I would rather stay in AE, which we can hopefully dominate and get to the dance more often.

2) 2016 CAA is not the same as 2010 CAA.. programs like VCU and GMU all left. Even though its still more competitive than AE, the prestige factor is not there anymore.

3) We don't need CAA to move up in future. Our role model should be Gonzaga or Davidson. Davidson dominated Southern conference for a long time and ignored CAA's invites, and moved straight to Atlantic 10. Again, we don't need to join CAA to get an invite from Atlantic 10 or MAC in future.

4) CAA footprint is from the Carolinas to Massachusetts. It's a lot of travel and waste of money to be in another one bid league. We can use that money to improve our athletics infrastructure and prepare for a conference even better.

5) Lets review and learn from old AE programs that joined CAA.. like Hofstra, Northeastern and Delaware..what have they have accomplished in CAA since leaving AE?

6) The most important offer that CAA can make is that it is the best FCS football conference in the north east .. guess what?.. we are already in CAA football!

How does moving all sports to CAA makes sense?
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 26, 2016, 06:19:40 am
Moving to CAA makes no sense, in my opinion.. for the following reasons:

1) Both CAA and AE are one bid conferences, but CAA is more competitive. Therefore, chances of making to the NCAA tourney will be reduced.. since they are both one bid conferences, I would rather stay in AE, which we can hopefully dominate and get to the dance more often.

2) 2016 CAA is not the same as 2010 CAA.. programs like VCU and GMU all left. Even though its still more competitive than AE, the prestige factor is not there anymore.

3) We don't need CAA to move up in future. Our role model should be Gonzaga or Davidson. Davidson dominated Southern conference for a long time and ignored CAA's invites, and moved straight to Atlantic 10. Again, we don't need to join CAA to get an invite from Atlantic 10 or MAC in future.

4) CAA footprint is from the Carolinas to Massachusetts. It's a lot of travel and waste of money to be in another one bid league. We can use that money to improve our athletics infrastructure and prepare for a conference even better.

5) Lets review and learn from old AE programs that joined CAA.. like Hofstra, Northeastern and Delaware..what have they have accomplished in CAA since leaving AE?

6) The most important offer that CAA can make is that it is the best FCS football conference in the north east .. guess what?.. we are already in CAA football!

How does moving all sports to CAA makes sense?

I understand your logic ibosbu, but in my opinion the CAA is still a stronger conference all around with sports, maybe Lax being the exception because of UA. The only way to grow and get better is to play a stronger schedule within your own conference,year after year. Most student athletes prefer to go to a school that is very strong in the sport that they are in. In Football, this is definitely the case. I'd imagine for recruiting purposes, the pool for potential athletes is bigger in the CAA then the AE which ranks consistently in the basement of all div1 sports.. The CAA is a jump up from the AE and I think SB can handle the additional travel expenses as you mentioned. If UA moves out of the AE, that leaves SB as the last and only competitive school in the conference with most sports...For me, I rather be in the middle of the pack in a strong conference with multiple schools with winning records then being in 1st place in a conference that has a bad RPI and SOS multiple schools with hideous losing records.. Again, this is only my opinion and I could be wrong with my thesis...
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: sbugold on March 26, 2016, 08:55:34 am
Looks like we've gotten a little off track here onto a conference move discussion.

Back to the point, it looks like Rickard and probably Dougher are both headed over to Rutgers to be with Pikiell.  I think that this makes it highly unlikely that Jay Young will be SBU's choice.  He seems to have the inside track for the CCSU job, and would be losing all his cohorts with the Seawolves.

I'm really looking forward to seeing who the major candidates are.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: sbufan on March 26, 2016, 11:09:59 am
Looks like we've gotten a little off track here onto a conference move discussion.

Back to the point, it looks like Rickard and probably Dougher are both headed over to Rutgers to be with Pikiell.  I think that this makes it highly unlikely that Jay Young will be SBU's choice.  He seems to have the inside track for the CCSU job, and would be losing all his cohorts with the Seawolves.

I'm really looking forward to seeing who the major candidates are.

Me too. I'm obviously biased, but I think this is a very attractive mid major job. Our facilities and resources compared to the rest of AE should make Stony Brook an relatively easy place to win, and thus a great launching pad for a coaches career.  I think there will be some very impressive names looking to take over the helm.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Chrissy D. on March 26, 2016, 02:54:18 pm
They tried to move all sports to CAA when football moved and were blocked by Hofstra, who had no say in football because they dropped program. How has the move to CAA worked for Hofstra. I don't really see how moving helps. You need to win and play in national tournaments to gain recruits. Kids want exposure, they want to see banners hanging. This is not the SEC , its mid major. If its not broke then don't fix it. Look at Boise St. in football if, small conf works for them. And were exactly is all this wealth of Stony Brook money. They have to beg the public to match the funds on the indoor practice facility. Football didn't need to move. The big south had Charleston southern ranked #1 for 8 weeks last year. They were a 4 seed in the tourney. They were a 2 bid conf for second yr in a row. Coastal Carolina is moving to div 1 from that conf. When you are a mid major your goal is to qualify for the playoffs, it doesn't matter what conf your doing it from. Yes big fish in a small pond is way better than saying you play in the CAA.
 
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on March 28, 2016, 11:50:19 am
Pikiell already recruiting really good players out of Jersey especially the school where Warney came from. I hope the next head coach for SB has strong ties to AAU schools close by.

http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/3590372350355534256/roselle-catholics-matt-bullock-commits-to-rutgers-and-coach-steve-pikiell/
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 28, 2016, 04:06:59 pm
  This is going to be an interesting pick.   I expect  there will be a meet and greet once our new coach arrives and gets settled.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: sbufan on March 29, 2016, 10:08:39 am
When do you guys think we'll start hearing names? I feel like it shouldn't be long.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on April 01, 2016, 03:56:51 am
Pikiell firing on all cylinders already and is building a really strong program at Rutgers. He brings in UConn assistant, Hobbs to the program. Why couldn't he do that at SB??? I suppose it's all about the mighty buck!!

http://www.onthebanks.com/2016/3/31/11340462/report-rutgers-basketball-to-hire-uconn-assistant-karl-hobbs-as
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on April 01, 2016, 09:44:06 am
Pikiell firing on all cylinders already and is building a really strong program at Rutgers. He brings in UConn assistant, Hobbs to the program. Why couldn't he do that at SB??? I suppose it's all about the mighty buck!!

http://www.onthebanks.com/2016/3/31/11340462/report-rutgers-basketball-to-hire-uconn-assistant-karl-hobbs-as

Money is definitely the factor.. He has $800k budget just to hire assistants! Hobbs will probably make more that the new Stony Brook coach will make. We shouldn't compare us to Big10 programs. They have got millions and millions from football earning. Anyway, Pikiell did his best with the resources he had.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on April 01, 2016, 11:15:40 am
I think the answer is stunningly obvious why assistants at mid-majors don't make as much as assistants at Power 5 programs. There's really no comparison revenue wise between Stony Brook and a crappy program like Rutgers which has all of the B1G money coming to it. I don't know how anybody can take umbrage that 250k a year assistants don't come to Stony Brook. While giving Pikiell "credit" for hiring Hobbs, we should also mention that he also may have already lost the talents of the one decent player on Rutgers (Corey Sanders). He's a very talented player and the only bright spot on an otherwise horrific Rutgers team. They went winless in the Big 10 with him- I can't imagine how they can be any worse but its definitely possible now.

On a side note, I'm hearing whispers that Jay may be our coach on a short term deal to "prove" himself. Not a source I can vet thoroughly but just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 01, 2016, 02:45:26 pm
That would be interesting . Have to wait and see .
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Badger Visitor on April 06, 2016, 11:29:49 am
Apparently Lamont Paris interviewed for the job:

http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/85377/Lamont-Paris-Gone#.VwUqq6QrKhc

http://www.uwbadgers.com/mobile/staff.aspx?staff=247
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 06, 2016, 02:08:20 pm
Thank you !  Sounds like a great replacement  if indeed he comes to Long Island.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on April 06, 2016, 11:58:33 pm
I have heard rumors that they have interviewed a few candidates

Baker Dunleavy- son of Mike Dunleavy, currently AC at Villanova (lived in NYC while working for Merill and BoA)
Lamont Paris- AC at Wisconsin, has been coaching for several years from the DIII level onwards
Jeff Battle- AC at Providence, previously at Wake Forest and was with Skip Prosser for years
Martin Ingelsby- has had 7 years of AC experience at Notre Dame with Mike Brey, Philly high school product

It's a pretty diverse crew. With the exception of Battle (who has been around the game for a long time), the other three are young coaches with lots of upside.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 07, 2016, 09:54:30 am
paris has strong Midwest ties.  anyone know the skinny on the others, do they have ties to the northeast?  tristate area?  where do we want to be recruiting?  I assume in-state really isn't the issue here.  but our best recent recruits have come from places like NJ, LI, MD/DC, and perhaps Ohio (arguably!?!?!).
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: sbufan on April 07, 2016, 10:40:26 am
Do we have a real shot at Baker Dunleavy? The associate head coach of the national championship team sounds like a great get. Hope it gets done.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 07, 2016, 11:21:45 am
All four come from Blue Chip Programs with plenty of upside.  I think anyone of them would be a big plus for us in terms of recruiting, academics and scheduling .
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on April 07, 2016, 12:25:47 pm
Add Jeff Boals, AC from Ohio State to the list of candidates
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on April 07, 2016, 04:52:32 pm
As expected, Jay Young is gonna follow Pikiell to Rutgers

And now we wait :)
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on April 07, 2016, 04:55:41 pm
As expected, Jay Young is gonna follow Pikiell to Rutgers

And now we wait :)

I just read that. Now what.. Talk about cleaning house!!!!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Moveitfred on April 07, 2016, 05:54:47 pm
Thank you to Pikiell and staff for building this program up from a dark place and achieving success. Best of luck to all (and it seems by "all" that means everyone to Rutgers except Chapman? No love for Chapman?).

That said, I'm pleased it appears there will be a clean sweep of the coaches, many support staff (and perhaps forthcoming players?) and a new build. Despite the likelihood there will be a dip from being near the top for 2-3 years, it's the right move.

Why? Don't know if this is a unpopular opinion or not, but I'll say it: The previous coaching staff underachieved.

SBU had a long string of very good players and teams, certainly one of the best strings of players and teams the AE has seen in a long time (Dougher - Warney) And I know (as Pikiell often said) it's hard to get over the hump and win. But to only achieve the one and only prize once (and barely at that)....?  Frankly, I think this was a pretty easy call for Heilbron to make. ****? Yep. But with the larger support of university, facilities, and staff still holding up the foundation, you have to try to build something even better.

I hope Heilbron gets his guy. I trust he will.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on April 07, 2016, 07:02:04 pm
http://gobrookland.com/2016/04/07/here-are-four-rumored-contenders-to-replace-steve-pikiell/
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: sbufan on April 08, 2016, 12:53:20 pm
Jeff Boals to be the new head coach. Good luck coach!

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2016/4/8/11389660/ohio-state-basketball-jeff-boals-hires-stony-brook-we-did-it
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 08, 2016, 03:05:23 pm
wow big news.  who's got the background info???  what are his strengths?  possible assistants?  are we keeping dougher on?!?!?!?

strong Midwest ties... ohio, WV, western PA, for whatever that's worth.  at akron: "He served as the programís recruiting coordinator and was responsible for the development of the teamís post players."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-hires-jeff-boals-as-new-men-s-basketball-coach-1.11668616

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Boals

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jeff_boals_754135.html

this will give walker a different coach every year for four years!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: sbugold on April 08, 2016, 04:06:09 pm
wow big news.  who's got the background info???  what are his strengths?  possible assistants?  are we keeping dougher on?!?!?!?

strong Midwest ties... ohio, WV, western PA, for whatever that's worth.  at akron: "He served as the programís recruiting coordinator and was responsible for the development of the teamís post players."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/stony-brook/stony-brook-hires-jeff-boals-as-new-men-s-basketball-coach-1.11668616

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Boals

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jeff_boals_754135.html

this will give walker a different coach every year for four years!


From what I've read, Coach Boals's strong points are coaching defense (which is certainly in the Seawolves tradition) and recruiting.  All good..No idea about assistants he might hire, but he'll certainly have his hands full near-term with all kinds of challenges:
-- Hire an entire staff (BTW, I believe Dougher went with Pikiell, as did Young, Rickard and Van Dyke)
-- Get close with the current players, and win their confidence so that they don't bolt
-- Recruit a top-notch player to fill the last roster spot for '16-'17 (yes, there's an open Scholly)
-- And, of course, relocate his family!!!

Good luck, Coach B.--you're going to need a boatload!!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on April 08, 2016, 04:07:11 pm
"Losing Boals means Matta is losing the assistant in charge of coordinating the Buckeyes defense. The Buckeyes have been top 50 in the country in adjusted defensive efficiency, according to KenPom, every season since 2010."

According to Cleveland.com. So our defensive strength and dominance should continue. I am not worried about his X and Os. His biggest challenge will recruiting in the northeast corridor from DC to Boston.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 09, 2016, 03:16:29 pm
Much discussion on the AE boards about our new coach. Personally I think we got a good one. Lets see who he brings in as his assistants and give the man a chance. I think even if coach P were here this coming season would be iffy at best . But who knows 20 wins is possible.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on April 09, 2016, 03:29:35 pm
Much discussion on the AE boards about our new coach. Personally I think we got a good one. Lets see who he brings in as his assistants and give the man a chance. I think even if coach P were here this coming season would be iffy at best . But who knows 20 wins is possible.

Agreed. lots of people on other Forums are already calling for Heilbron head and thinks he made a huge mistake. I say give the man a chance to prove him self. Hopefuly he does bring in some Ohio region talents to the East coast..
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 09, 2016, 03:33:14 pm
on what grounds???
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on April 09, 2016, 04:00:41 pm
on what grounds???

Read on and on Chairman.

http://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/635450-2016-coaching-carousel-32.html
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on April 09, 2016, 06:42:16 pm
Ranked as the #16 assistant coach in the nation by ESPN
Comes from a top-level Power-5 program
Years of experience as an assistant
Key part of recruiting at tOSU
Praised by multiple NBA talents (Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, D'Angelo Russell)
Defensive-minded coach

This is nothing short of a home-run for the program. Coach Pikiell got us to the point where a candidate like this would even consider our program and for that we should all be thankful. I think he's going to do a great job here and its really a steal for the university and the America East. Again, just mindblowing that a coach with this pedigree is coming here. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have a hard time rationalizing criticism for this move other than sentimental attachment to Jay Young. I think he did a great job with Coach Pikiell but, for me, as an ~10 year supporter of SBU Hoops this was a no-brainer decision.

Kudos to Shawn for another excellent move. He's really gone above and beyond my expectations as an AD and has made Stony Brook a nationally relevant job.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Hammertime on April 09, 2016, 06:49:24 pm
Ranked as the #16 assistant coach in the nation by ESPN
Comes from a top-level Power-5 program
Years of experience as an assistant
Key part of recruiting at tOSU
Praised by multiple NBA talents (Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, D'Angelo Russell)
Defensive-minded coach

This is nothing short of a home-run for the program. Coach Pikiell got us to the point where a candidate like this would even consider our program and for that we should all be thankful. I think he's going to do a great job here and its really a steal for the university and the America East. Again, just mindblowing that a coach with this pedigree is coming here. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have a hard time rationalizing criticism for this move other than sentimental attachment to Jay Young. I think he did a great job with Coach Pikiell but, for me, as an ~10 year supporter of SBU Hoops this was a no-brainer decision.

Kudos to Shawn for another excellent move. He's really gone above and beyond my expectations as an AD and has made Stony Brook a nationally relevant job.
Ditto MD. I think Shawn made the right move. It was my understand Shawn tried hard to get Villanova Assistant, Baker Dunleavy but he turned us down. i still think We did good by attracting a power 5 coach to the AE.. Give the man some time and we will soon be back into the NCAA!!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on December 23, 2016, 07:17:32 pm
Watching Rutgers vs Seton Hall on FS1. Very bitter sweet. On one hand miss him on the side line, but wish him all the success. He was nothing but a class.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: laxnation on January 05, 2017, 12:37:40 pm
Pikiell and Rutgers are having a rough time against any half-way decent team. Here thelosing results over the last four games:
Seton Hall 72-61
Wisconsin 72-52
Penn State 60-47
Michigan State 93-65

I guess clapping your hands for 40 minutes isn't the best strategy in winning games in the Big10? 😄

Based on the circumstances, Boales is so far having a much better season than Pikiell!
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Wolfie_MD on January 05, 2017, 05:44:52 pm
Yeah he's going to have a tough time in the Big Ten. That team just doesn't have a lot of Big10 level athletes. Corey Sanders is probably the only one that would be starting on other B10 teams.

The team is obviously better than last year but that's not saying much...Coach Pikiell has got his work cut out for him.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on March 09, 2017, 12:14:05 pm
Great win for Coach Pikiell and Rutgers at B10 tourney opening. In one year he has already made tremendous positive influence to their rock bottom basketball program. Besides Stony Brook, I also follow Maryland basketball. And now with Pikiell at Rutgers, B10 has become a very intriguing league to follow for me. Wish Coach Pikiell all the best. He was nothing but a class act at Stony Brook and gave 110% here.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: SaltySeawolf on March 09, 2017, 04:30:00 pm
Very close to .500 season, Rutgers first ever win in the Big 10 Tournament, the first time a 14 seed has ever won in the Big 10 Tournament.  Pikiell has had a much better year than Boal's now.  Pikiell is one of the hottest coaches in the country.  What he has done with Rutgers in year 1 is miraculous.  In fact, if he wasn't still in his very first year, I guarantee they would extend him.  Boals did great with Pikiell's players and Pikiell did great with Eddie Jordan's.  Now the question for both is - can they win at their new place with their own players?  By the way - I am very much in the camp of they can and will.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Checkmate on March 09, 2017, 04:54:27 pm
Very close to .500 season, Rutgers first ever win in the Big 10 Tournament, the first time a 14 seed has ever won in the Big 10 Tournament.  Pikiell has had a much better year than Boal's now.  Pikiell is one of the hottest coaches in the country.  What he has done with Rutgers in year 1 is miraculous.  In fact, if he wasn't still in his very first year, I guarantee they would extend him.  Boals did great with Pikiell's players and Pikiell did great with Eddie Jordan's.  Now the question for both is - can they win at their new place with their own players?  By the way - I am very much in the camp of they can and will.

Much better year? Who here expected a 2 seed? We were picked to finish 7th. Rutgers definitely made some strides and the arrow's pointing up, but Boals got every last bit out of this group.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: SaltySeawolf on March 10, 2017, 07:57:26 am
From a personal standpoint Pikiell absolutely had a much better year.  He is in the top 4 of the hottest coaches in the country!  Boals did fine, but SBU had its worst season in six years.  As far as expectations - that was a coaches vote and the new guy always gets the shaft.  That vote is all politics.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: Checkmate on March 10, 2017, 09:50:49 am
From a personal standpoint Pikiell absolutely had a much better year.  He is in the top 4 of the hottest coaches in the country!  Boals did fine, but SBU had its worst season in six years.  As far as expectations - that was a coaches vote and the new guy always gets the shaft.  That vote is all politics.

The new guy may get slighted in that kind of poll, but do you think it could also be because, you know, we lost our top four scorers and a three-time conference player of the year? I realize Pikiell took over a brutal program but he won nine conference games in his first three years combined and then, to his credit, the program vaulted into a stratosphere we didn't know existed. He left when he knew it wasn't going to get any better. Boals and Co. did much better than "fine." Who saw 12-4 coming? I thought maybe 4-12! Hammer predicted eight wins for the year! A much better year? No.

The hottest coach thing just isn't true. Rutgers had a very good year by their standards and checked off a lot of firsts, but few are talking about Rutgers outside of the northeast.
Title: Re: Pikiell Gone to Rutgers.. now what???
Post by: iBOsbu on March 10, 2017, 10:01:50 am
This is an interesting debate. I think Pikiell has done a great job, but not sure if he had a better year than Boals.

If you look at Pikiell's 1st year achievement with glass half full lense, then yes... Rutgers won 3 games in conference regular season. They had 2 and 1 conference wins last two years. Lots of close games this year and team showed real fight, competitiveness, improved defense, better rebounding and unity. But, if you look at it with glass half empty lense, Rutgers only won 3 conference regular season games and last in B10 standing again. Their total wins look inflated due to cupcake non-conference schedule for a B10 team. Rutgers did not exceed expectation in B10 standing.

On the other hand, Boals inherited a team without top 4 (double digit average) scorers from last year. Forget coaches pick, you and me, regular fans couldn't have predicted a 12-4 record, 2nd in AE standing. Most of us would have been happy with a 8-8 record. But to actually host two tournament games at home, was beyond most of ours expectation.

But again, each one of us will look through our biased lenses. Boals and Pikiell are in different league now and should have to be judged differently.

One thing for sure, for any of them to have a chance to succeed in AE or B10, they better up their recruiting game. Next couple years will tell, who is more successful.