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Athletics => SBU Men's Basketball => Topic started by: ibosbu on June 05, 2015, 04:29:48 pm
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I think it's about time to move on from last season's another disappointment.
We have some exciting additions, including a true PG who sat out last year, and a surprising return of an old face.
Just wanted to know if you all have any early info on our OOC schedule? Any well know opponent? Any early season tournament?
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Somehow, it always seems that SBU comes out with its OOC schedule later than the others. I'm looking forward to hearing about some good match-ups, but would especially like to see some good teams agree to play at the arena. The only one I'm pretty sure of at this point is that Hofstra will be at "The Island" this year.
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Princeton will be here also but other than that I have no idea. I agree it would nice to see a few high mid majors or maybe a major program here. I understand Northeastern is hosting Michigan State in December. If we could get a Buffalo or VCU here it would be great. Maybe Coach P can coax UConn to come across the sound that game would sell seats . One game like that a season would be terrific for our program.
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Princeton will be here also but other than that I have no idea. I agree it would nice to see a few high mid majors or maybe a major program here. I understand Northeastern is hosting Michigan State in December. If we could get a Buffalo or VCU here it would be great. Maybe Coach P can coax UConn to come across the sound that game would sell seats . One game like that a season would be terrific for our program.
Hofstra will be playing here, too. I was told the bigger schools like VCU or UConn won't come to SB and play not because of fear of losing, but because it all has to do with TV time and money. If Uconn agrees to play SB at SB, that school in their conference, who they could be playing, instead loses air time and millions.. That's what I was told by an insider. I am sure there's a little more to it than that but $$$ is the driver when it comes to scheduling home games. This is why mid major schools always have a very tough time scheduling games, and out of desperation they will throw in one or two non Div1 schools just to fill the schedule!!
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Hammer I agree it is about money and some prestige. Duke lax was here this past season with no problem they use a game like that for recruiting purposes mostly. But bring Coach K and his Duke hoops team to Long Island it would need an act of Congress. I doubt very much they would lose except in dollars .
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Hopefully there won't be any non-D1 games this year. It'd be nice to see a buildup of local rivalries like Fordham, St. Francis, LIU, Columbia, and of course Hofstra.
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I would add Manhattan , Iona and Wagner to that local list . These games hopefully would get some local media attention . So we will see who we play hopefully later this summer.
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I would add Manhattan , Iona and Wagner to that local list . These games hopefully would get some local media attention . So we will see who we play hopefully later this summer.
Agreed!! St.Johns would be great, too. Probably won't happen unless SB moves out of the AE, and that's not happening either. If Albany not in talks to move out we certainly aren't!!!!
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funny way to find out htat we might be playing NC State: http://brook.land/2015/06/could-nc-state-be-in-the-seawolves-future/
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The Wolf Pack would be a nice addition to our OOC schedule for sure .
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The Wolf Pack would be a nice addition to our OOC schedule for sure .
That would be great. Two wolves battling it out!!
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Yikes!! UCONN has begun to release their OOC schedule, and AE schools UMASS-Lowell, UNH and Maine are all on it!! I find that somewhat disconcerting, don't you? With Coach P's connections at UCONN wouldn't you think that SBU be the first choice for AE competition?
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Yikes!! UCONN has begun to release their OOC schedule, and AE schools UMASS-Lowell, UNH and Maine are all on it!! I find that somewhat disconcerting, don't you? With Coach P's connections at UCONN wouldn't you think that SBU be the first choice for AE competition?
Are you freaking kidding me man???????Something smells rotten. I dont want to hear Uconn turned us down because we are too good and because we played them once before. Thats BS!!!
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Do you really think UConn is hesitant to play Stony Brook because Stony Brook is good? Kevin Ollie considers Pikiell a friend and a colleague and wouldn't gain any satisfaction by beating SBU. UConn doesn't play Quinnipiac and a number of other schools coached by UConn grads.
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Do you really think UConn is hesitant to play Stony Brook because Stony Brook is good? Kevin Ollie considers Pikiell a friend and a colleague and wouldn't gain any satisfaction by beating SBU. UConn doesn't play Quinnipiac and a number of other schools coached by UConn grads.
No, of course not. But that is the answer I always get from coach P year after year when I ask why cant we get a larger school to come and play at SB!!!!!!!
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You gotta pay these schools tens of thousands of dollars. They have nothing to gain by playing road games against lesser opponents. That's why you never see it happen.
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That's true in basketball and football. The financial guarantees these schools command would break our budget. We have to be happy with what we have .
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You gotta pay these schools tens of thousands of dollars. They have nothing to gain by playing road games against lesser opponents. That's why you never see it happen.
I think what you all are referring to is associated with games where the more established program travels to the less prestigious one, correct? I certainly understand that. My dismay centers around the fact that Maine, UMASS Lowell and UNH are all on UCONN's schedule, but the Seawolves are not!! If the game must be in Storrs, so be it. I'd just like SBU to have a shot at playing them.
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Can those on the Board with some better program awareness than I have tell me if I'm off base here? Please check out the following, which looks like it has a fairly complete listing/details of preseason tournaments and participants. The Seawolves are nowhere to be found!!
http://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2013/12/2/5166356/2015-16-college-basketball-early-season-tournaments-events-MTE
In my cursory review I have found Rider, Robert Morris, Boston U., UMBC, Albany, Bryant, NJIT, Hofstra, Siena, Vermont, Columbia, Fairfield (all programs that usually circulate in the same neighborhoods as does SBU) all have gigs in pre-season tournaments. But, alas, no SBU. Should I assume that the travel budget has been totally blown by the European trip, or is there likely a more complex explanation? In any event, I find it disturbing that in a season with such high expectations that the team will not apparently experience the tournament excitement and competition against highly rated teams in storied arenas as they have in past seasons. I think it could negatively impact their preparedness.
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Our OOC schedule always seems to be a National Secret every year. Most of our conference mates pretty much know who they are playing already and what tournaments they are in. In know the Holiday Tournament in MSG this year is St Johns vs St Francis Brooklyn and Hofstra vs Appalachian St. I have checked other boards and Holy Cross, Fordham and Colgate don't show us . I know we have home games against Hofstra I think that will be a long term series and the Princeton Tigers visit us as a return game . If the game plan is to get the brand name out there we seem to be falling short with major tournaments . I also truly hope we get away from the our annual thrashing of a D3 team and schedule a mid major instead. I would think by now our schedule is just about finished and it comes out soon.
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We're playing at Vandy 11/19.
http://seawolv.es/1D9djoI
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So, here are the OOC teams I think we know so far (I think), not in any particular order:
-- Vanderbilt
-- Loyola (Md.)
-- Hofstra (at SBU)
-- Columbia
-- Western Kentucky
-- American
-- Princeton (at SBU)??
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Thanks for the update on the schedule it looks good so far. Need about 7 more schools and we will be set. Vanderbuilt will be a good test for sure and glad to see Western Kentucky and Columbia back on our schedule. Those are the types of programs we should be playing .
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Another addition: We're at NJIT on 12/28 http://brook.land/2015/08/seawolves-to-face-newest-atlantic-sun-member-njit/
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I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist. It's clear that every other school releases more information faster than SBU does regarding the ooc basketball schedule. Is there any possibility that SBU doesn't release anything until after the season ticket holder deadline passes to make sure the fan base is locked in regardless of who is on the schedule?
I'm not completely tied to this thought, I just find it ridiculous that every other athletic department has released info and SBU zero.
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Salty it wouldn't surprise me . Especially since some of these games were scheduled last year as return games either home or away Hofstra, Princeton, American, Loyola Columbia were probably already agreed upon by the end of last season.
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My guess is that there is a lot of pushing and shoving (not to mention arm-twisting and downright coersion) going on behind the scenes. I'm sure Coach P. is trying his damnedist to get some more attractive home games, and is facing immense challenges in doing so. He'd certainly favor releasing an entire schedule, rather than leaking it out a bit at a time.
As near as I can tell, here's what's pretty certain at this time (I think):
Date Home/Away Team
TBD Away Loyola (MD)
TBD Home Hofstra
TBD Home Columbia
TBD Away Western Kentucky
TBD Away American
11/19 Away Vanderbilt
12/5 Home Princeton
12/28 Away NJIT
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Thanks sbugold.. Vanderbilt might be a ranked team this season...should be a good test. Although I guess we aren't participating in any early season tournament.
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Vandy will be very good this year, top 3-4 in SEC, and should be ranked in top 25....Hofstra picked to win CAA, NJIT should win or at least contend in Atlantic Sun, Columbia is top 3 in Ivy with 2 first team players, Princeton returns everyone of note and will be challenging Harvard along with Columbia, WKU is always tough at home, you should beat both American and Loyola on road. Judging by your past schedules, you should still have a D3 at home, and 1 if not 2 more hi-majors, and at least one more tough mid.....very good non-conference schedule, which you should have considering what returns.
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Here's my update of what I think the OOC schedule looks like so far:
Date Team H/A
TBD (Home Opener) Merchant Marine Academy H
11/19 Vanderbilt A
11/24 Loyola (Md.) A
12/5 Princeton H
12/20 Hofstra H
12/28 NJIT A
TBD W. Kentucky A
TBD Lehigh A
TBD Notre Dame A
TBD Columbia H
TBD (Tentative) American Univ. A
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Here's my update of what I think the OOC schedule looks like so far:
Date Team H/A
TBD (Home Opener) Merchant Marine Academy H
11/19 Vanderbilt A
11/24 Loyola (Md.) A
12/5 Princeton H
12/20 Hofstra H
12/28 NJIT A
TBD W. Kentucky A
TBD Lehigh A
TBD Notre Dame A
TBD Columbia H
TBD (Tentative) American Univ. A
Merchant Marine Academy again??? We really need to stop scheduling non Div1 teams!
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Especially as the home opener. Princeton, Hofstra and Columbia are all good home games tho
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Not sure why everyone focuses on the D3 game, it's your opener, perfect first opponent. It's doesn't count against your RPI, relax....couple more dates are known on the schedule:
- WKU is November 21st
- Lehigh is December 22nd
- Notre Dame is December 8th
- American is December 17th
- Columbia date has not been released. First game of season for most teams is November 13th so that is probably your first game. Still another strong mid-major and possibly one more high major I'd imagine.
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So, now that American U. is apparently confirmed, by my count there are currently 7 away games and only 4 home games (including a D-III) on the schedule. I think the season ticket holders, not to mention everyone else, are do some real home game draws to finish out the OOC ledger, don't you? I'm guessing that this is the monumental challenge that is causing the huge delay in releasing the entire schedule!!
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Not sure why everyone focuses on the D3 game, it's your opener, perfect first opponent. It's doesn't count against your RPI, relax....couple more dates are known on the schedule:
- WKU is November 21st
- Lehigh is December 22nd
- Notre Dame is December 8th
- American is December 17th
- Columbia date has not been released. First game of season for most teams is November 13th so that is probably your first game. Still another strong mid-major and possibly one more high major I'd imagine.
Is Notre Dame confirmed? I know we have an ACC team on the schedule, haven't seen it ID'd as ND yet.
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Yes... confirmed according to SBU basketball twitter handle @StonyBrookMBB Going to be on ESPN U.
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Per Twitter the MBB schedule should be released tomorrow 9/16 . Complete OOC and AE
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According to USMMA website, home opener is the 14th at 7pm
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We waited all that time for this!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ??? ??? ??? ??? Just two OOC games were added to what we already knew--an away game at Northeastern, and a home game against Farmingdale St!! Are you kidding me? The result is that we have 8 road games and only 5 home games, and of the 5, two are not D-1!! YIKES!
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Other than Notre Dame and Vanderbuilt we have a plain vanilla schedule with 2 D3 programs at home in a 20 million dollar facility. The Ladies have scheduled much better opponents .
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I've already voice my displeasure with the home schedule and the lack of benefits of a season ticket holder. Also, waiting for a callback from the assistant AD.
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Just for laughs made a list mid major programs just like us only a bus ride away.
LIU , Wagner,Iona , Manhattan, St Peters, Rider, Farleigh Dickinson, Marist , Army , Siena , Fairfield , Yale, CCSU, QU, Sacred Heart , Holy Cross , Boston U , Harvard, Brown , Bryant. Monmouth, Maryland Eastern Shore , Delaware, Towson , Navy , Colgate, Cornell did I miss anyone. I cant believe we couldn't get a game or two with any of these schools. Didn't even Mention Fordham , U mass , La Salle or some of the other A10 programs in the area.
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We waited all that time for this!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ??? ??? ??? ??? Just two OOC games were added to what we already knew--an away game at Northeastern, and a home game against Farmingdale St!! Are you kidding me? The result is that we have 8 road games and only 5 home games, and of the 5, two are not D-1!! YIKES!
This is essentially my thoughts as well.
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I just don't want to see the hubris of typical college athletic departments. Admit there is a problem with the schedule and let the fan base know that solutions are being researched. Don't dare try to sell this as anything but an abomination of a home schedule. The AE could help out by adding another team or two to the league - that would eat up those 2 div 3 games for sure.
I felt that for Jameel's final season it was important to get my tix again. I will not be fooled again next year. You tell me who we are playing then I will tell you if I am renewing my season tickets. It's not like you can't walk up and get tickets to 99% of the games as it is now.
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I agree Salty . All this last minute drama and we get 5 games and two of them are Div 3 .
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I just don't want to see the hubris of typical college athletic departments. Admit there is a problem with the schedule and let the fan base know that solutions are being researched. Don't dare try to sell this as anything but an abomination of a home schedule. The AE could help out by adding another team or two to the league - that would eat up those 2 div 3 games for sure.
I felt that for Jameel's final season it was important to get my tix again. I will not be fooled again next year. You tell me who we are playing then I will tell you if I am renewing my season tickets. It's not like you can't walk up and get tickets to 99% of the games as it is now.
I agree. This is most likely my last year as a basketball season ticket holder. Coach P is running out of excuses.. No more BS schools are afraid to play us. its called schools dont want to play us we dont have the exposures they are looking for.. Bottom line, it comes down to the mighty buck.. Time to move out of the AE and go full into the CAA!!!!
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I just voiced my concern to Mr. Heilbron on Twitter. We got dooped!!!!!
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Looks like a competitive schedule out of conference with a nice balance of strong mids plus the 2 BCS games. I have to assume the 2nd D3 was to give 5 home games, but 9-4 should be the goal moving into conference play. The non-BCS D1 teams not expected to challenge for their conference titles are Loyola (MD), American, Northeastern & WKU, and all those are on the road, so you should be tested when conference rolls around.
SEC - 1
ACC - 1
Patriot - 3
CAA - 2
Ivy - 2
Conf USA - 1
ASun - 1
D3 - 2
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With the MERCHANT MARINE ACADEMY just two days away here, it's worth discussing again: How in the world have some of these local Division I schools not been brought out here? These Division III games do nothing to improve this team. You will learn nothing about the new guys and nothing about what the veterans have done this offseason. You could if we scheduled these metro area teams. The top four teams in the MAAC last year are all in NY or NJ. Play them. St. Francis or LIU can take a train and walk to the arena. Play one of them. If a Connecticut team wants to take the ferry over, I'll even pick them up on the other side. Whatever.
Listen, I'm a season ticket holder not because I expect major programs to schedule road games here. Whether with family or friends, I'm going to enjoy the games regardless. And when Greg Gumbel says "the 14th seeded Seawolves of Stony Brook" in a few months, I'll be ready to sign up for the 2016-17 season too. And if he doesn't, well, you can bet I'll be there anyway. It's a great time. All that said, if you want to be a big-time program, you CANNOT schedule these games. As exhibitions? Fine. In fact, yes, absolutely, I encourage it. But as your first TWO home games of the season? That is reprehensible.
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With the MERCHANT MARINE ACADEMY just two days away here, it's worth discussing again: How in the world have some of these local Division I schools not been brought out here? These Division III games do nothing to improve this team. You will learn nothing about the new guys and nothing about what the veterans have done this offseason. You could if we scheduled these metro area teams. The top four teams in the MAAC last year are all in NY or NJ. Play them. St. Francis or LIU can take a train and walk to the arena. Play one of them. If a Connecticut team wants to take the ferry over, I'll even pick them up on the other side. Whatever.
Listen, I'm a season ticket holder not because I expect major programs to schedule road games here. Whether with family or friends, I'm going to enjoy the games regardless. And when Greg Gumbel says "the 14th seeded Seawolves of Stony Brook" in a few months, I'll be ready to sign up for the 2016-17 season too. And if he doesn't, well, you can bet I'll be there anyway. It's a great time. All that said, if you want to be a big-time program, you CANNOT schedule these games. As exhibitions? Fine. In fact, yes, absolutely, I encourage it. But as your first TWO home games of the season? That is reprehensible.
I feel your pain checkmate, but after talking to numerous people about this issue for years it always come down to money.. Coach P will tell you the larger institutions are afraid to play us at our house but that's all BS. When a team comes to our house we have to pay them $$$ and vise versa.. But if a large school like Uconn, St. John's, Maryland, agrees to come to our home to play us we would have to chalk up huge amounts of $$$ to make up the difference that university is losing had they played another large inst..All of this has everything to do with TV and and commercial money and contracts with conferences.. SB is a lower mid major team and gets little to no $ from TV.. This is a business and SB, as of now, is a small client in a crowded field of institutions..
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With the MERCHANT MARINE ACADEMY just two days away here, it's worth discussing again: How in the world have some of these local Division I schools not been brought out here? These Division III games do nothing to improve this team. You will learn nothing about the new guys and nothing about what the veterans have done this offseason. You could if we scheduled these metro area teams. The top four teams in the MAAC last year are all in NY or NJ. Play them. St. Francis or LIU can take a train and walk to the arena. Play one of them. If a Connecticut team wants to take the ferry over, I'll even pick them up on the other side. Whatever.
Listen, I'm a season ticket holder not because I expect major programs to schedule road games here. Whether with family or friends, I'm going to enjoy the games regardless. And when Greg Gumbel says "the 14th seeded Seawolves of Stony Brook" in a few months, I'll be ready to sign up for the 2016-17 season too. And if he doesn't, well, you can bet I'll be there anyway. It's a great time. All that said, if you want to be a big-time program, you CANNOT schedule these games. As exhibitions? Fine. In fact, yes, absolutely, I encourage it. But as your first TWO home games of the season? That is reprehensible.
I feel your pain checkmate, but after talking to numerous people about this issue for years it always come down to money.. Coach P will tell you the larger institutions are afraid to play us at our house but that's all BS. When a team comes to our house we have to pay them $$$ and vise versa.. But if a large school like Uconn, St. John's, Maryland, agrees to come to our home to play us we would have to chalk up huge amounts of $$$ to make up the difference that university is losing had they played another large inst..All of this has everything to do with TV and and commercial money and contracts with conferences.. SB is a lower mid major team and gets little to no $ from TV.. This is a business and SB, as of now, is a small client in a crowded field of institutions..
So this is eye-opening to me. I thought for sure if I checked the other AE teams' schedules I'd see maaaaybe a D-II on the home schedule. It turns out these matchups are common - Fisher, Oneonta, Lyndon State, Worcester State etc., and that was just checking three teams. I guess when you build a big arena, you build a big athletic complex, you're on the precipice of the tournament, and you feel like you can beat some of these mid-major and even major teams, you expect more. But it is what it is. Without TV, it's tough to pay the bills. Still, hitting us with these two Division IIIs right off the bat is tough. Sprinkle them in instead.
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Read in Newsday the other day Hofstra plays Kentucky in the improved Coliseum next November. Kentucky is guaranteed 335,000 dollars Hofstra is getting 25,000 dollars and a loss for their efforts. It is what it is we are still a small fish in a big ocean .
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/134
Joe Lunardi has us as a 14 seed, against Gonzaga.
HYPOTHETICALLY, if we went undefeated this year, considering our schedule, I don't think we'd be higher than an 11 seed. As a low mid-major, that is the best we can hope for. Once you make the dance consistently, and you make some noise, you can start to bring in the money and bring in the better competition. But right now, we're not in a position to move up the totem pole.
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SB was blocked by Hofstra in regards to moving all sports to the CAA. They had no say in football cause they don't have a team. Like lacrosse the AE gives them the best chance to make the dance. I guess this was the coaches fault.