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Title: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 16, 2014, 08:32:45 pm
Not related to Stony Brook... but I thought I would start a thread talking about the college athletics landscape and realignments and rumors. This summer sure to bring some more changes.

1) Rumors is that ACC will rotate their basketball tourney between Brooklyn, Barclay's center and current Greensboro.

2) Big East will probably add two more... SLU and may be another from A10. A10 will then probably stay put at 12 members and not add any more.


Title: Re: Other Conferences' Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 16, 2014, 09:04:53 pm
This always makes for good conversation until football starts.
Title: Re: Other Conferences' Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 16, 2014, 10:29:03 pm
Another rumor that JMU might be MAC bound and Albany might be the replacement in CAA.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 21, 2014, 12:54:42 pm
Rumors on other message boards that Albany all sports to CAA is a done deal. Not only from pesky Jeff, but also form Albany fans on their board that they have a offer to join the CAA that expires July 1.

Anyone one knows if there is any truth to this rumor. Would hate to see our main rival leave us.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on March 21, 2014, 01:49:56 pm
I also received a PM from someone we all trust saying that its a likely move. What a shame. I think the AE as we know it is done. I was actually feeling better about the AE. I like this conference. Screw the CAA. Oh well, I can't blame Albany for making a move. Everyone is trying to do the best for their program...
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on March 21, 2014, 02:03:43 pm
I also received a PM from someone we all trust saying that its a likely move. What a shame. I think the AE as we know it is done. I was actually feeling better about the AE. I like this conference. Screw the CAA. Oh well, I can't blame Albany for making a move. Everyone is trying to do the best for their program...

You can't blame Albany for making the move. They're clearly a leader in basketball and Lacrosse in the AE so the time has come for that institution to move on and up.. They deserve it! I have no doubt SB will follow Albanys lead and join them in the CAA for all sports but first, lets get to the NCAA at least once before we start talking about a move up!!!!!!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 21, 2014, 02:40:38 pm
I also received a PM from someone we all trust saying that its a likely move. What a shame. I think the AE as we know it is done. I was actually feeling better about the AE. I like this conference. Screw the CAA. Oh well, I can't blame Albany for making a move. Everyone is trying to do the best for their program...

That is a bad news. I hope its a package deal and we go with them. It would suck to be left behind. May be removing of Fiore, helped change Hofstra's mind and they wont oppose. Playing Hofstra regularly would do wonder for both programs on the island... in terms of fan interest.

May be now we will have even easier path to the Dance... no more beating by Albany in the tournament.

This whole thing sucks!!! Depressing.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: sbufan on March 21, 2014, 11:08:21 pm
I also received a PM from someone we all trust saying that its a likely move. What a shame. I think the AE as we know it is done. I was actually feeling better about the AE. I like this conference. Screw the CAA. Oh well, I can't blame Albany for making a move. Everyone is trying to do the best for their program...

You can't blame Albany for making the move. They're clearly a leader in basketball and Lacrosse in the AE so the time has come for that institution to move on and up.. They deserve it! I have no doubt SB will follow Albanys lead and join them in the CAA for all sports but first, lets get to the NCAA at least once before we start talking about a move up!!!!!!

It's all cyclical. 2-3 years ago, Albany basketball and lacrosse wasn't as good Stony Brook. 2-3 years before that, the opposite was true.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: sbufan on March 21, 2014, 11:12:30 pm
We would also already be in the CAA if Hofstra wasn't scared of us.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on March 26, 2014, 03:26:07 pm
UMASS to leave the MAC after the 2015 season.. I smell a change in conference for SB if they play their cards right.. Come on Senator Lavalle, lets get this Stadium built to hold 15,000 seats!!!! LOL... Is this Stacey Bedell in the picture?????

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/3/26/5550504/umass-minutement-leave-mac-after-2015-season
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 26, 2014, 07:33:46 pm
UMASS to leave the MAC after the 2015 season.. I smell a change in conference for SB if they play their cards right.. Come on Senator Lavalle, lets get this Stadium built to hold 15,000 seats!!!! LOL... Is this Stacey Bedell in the picture?????

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/3/26/5550504/umass-minutement-leave-mac-after-2015-season

Yeah.. I read that earlier. It's not looking good for UMass at this moment.. they have no choice to go Independent unless AAC invites them. Another option for them would be to play in Sunbelt.. which would be horrible imo. There will be no rivalry.

I wish there was a Football only FBS conference in the East coast..no need to be BCS level. UMass, JMU, Delaware and Buffalo can lead the way and start a north-east FBS conference, may be with Navy and Army. That would open up an option for teams like Stony Brook and Albany to build up respective programs and join in future. It's all too perfect to ever happen.

I am sure if there was a sponsor, such as Fox Sports, then it's possible.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 26, 2014, 08:53:58 pm
I don't know if our admin wants in to the CAA  all the way. There is 1 million dollar exit fee if a larger conference   gave us an invite someday.  Maybe Albany isn't thinking about a   MAC or AAC  future.  We can sit tight for now  with football in the CAA and our other sports in the AE. If the good fairy comes down the road we leave.  Lets win as many AE Titles as  we can and a couple of CAA football titles. The MAC would take us in heartbeat.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 26, 2014, 09:47:36 pm
I don't know if our admin wants in to the CAA  all the way. There is 1 million dollar exit fee if a larger conference   gave us an invite someday.  Maybe Albany isn't thinking about a   MAC or AAC  future.  We can sit tight for now  with football in the CAA and our other sports in the AE. If the good fairy comes down the road we leave.  Lets win as many AE Titles as  we can and a couple of CAA football titles. The MAC would take us in heartbeat.

I agree we need to win some CAA title before anything.. and need some buzz in LI.

One thing though, and I might be wrong, football only schools don't have to pay 1m to leave CAA.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 27, 2014, 10:33:34 am
Correct.  The exit fee I believe  is 250k to leave the CAA. My biggest concern is filling seats. Our new arena is great  but we need  to at least see 3500 folks in there  every night, same  thing with football love to see  each home game around 6500 to 7000.  That sends the right message to other conferences that our fan base is solid. So who ever  our new  AD will be  growing the fan base has to be a priority. Of course now this NCAA and the athletes  forming unions is a new twist.  See how that plays out.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on March 27, 2014, 11:27:50 am
Exactly, we can't be taken serious if we can't draw 3000+ for MBB games. and attendance for football needs to climb to the 6500-7000 range. Its harder than what i though to build a following in Long Island.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 27, 2014, 11:49:55 am
Exactly, we can't be taken serious if we can't draw 3000+ for MBB games. and attendance for football needs to climb to the 6500-7000 range. Its harder than what i though to build a following in Long Island.

Not just in Long Island.. North East region in general. From DC to Boston... Pro sports rule! So many NBA, NFL, MLB teams congested in this "Northeast Megapolis" that everyone has a team nearby to cheer on.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis#National_professional_sports_teams
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on June 12, 2014, 10:39:31 am
Some interesting read!!!

http://www.grandforksherald.com/content/und-athletics-big-sky-commissioner-looking-ahead-fallout-autonomy-movement
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on September 01, 2015, 07:15:19 am
Coastal Carolina joins Sunbelt.. makes sense.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/13553773/coastal-carolina-chanticleers-join-sun-belt-conference-according-sources
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on September 01, 2015, 12:18:22 pm
That  would be a good fit for them  .  Wish them luck
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 16, 2017, 05:48:21 pm
Liberty University is moving up to FBS as an independent thanks to an NCAA waver:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18700117/liberty-football-moving-fbs-independent


I think this is huge. The NCAA had a looming battle coming on whether or not they had the right to deny teams to move up on their own accord and play as independents. They either could fight a long legal battle and lose, or weaken/eliminate the "you must be invited by an existing FBS conference" clause. They chose the ladder. With this move now, there isn't any grounds to deny any other team from moving up to FBS as an independent (assuming they meet all other FBS requirements like attendance, scholarships, etc.). If Liberty, with all their baggage can get a waiver, so can any other school. I say this is a fantastic development for us as it now opens the door for an independent move up and/or formation of a Northeastern G5 football conference down the line. We no longer have to hope and pray the MAC or AAC gives us a look, we can move on our own if we're ready and want to.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 16, 2017, 08:15:47 pm
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on February 16, 2017, 09:48:13 pm
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .

I was once a big time advocate for a move up to FBS, but maybe we should start off with a winning year, first. Ever since the move from the Big South to the CAA, SB cant gain any traction.

Hopefully with the addition of the interior work out facility SB can recruit better players and a real quarterback, then we can talk about an FBS move. I also think they have the money to do it, just not the talent, yet!!!!!!   
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 16, 2017, 11:33:06 pm
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .

I was once a big time advocate for a move up to FBS, but maybe we should start off with a winning year, first. Ever since the move from the Big South to the CAA, SB cant gain any traction.

Hopefully with the addition of the interior work out facility SB can recruit better players and a real quarterback, then we can talk about an FBS move. I also think they have the money to do it, just not the talent, yet!!!!!!

I too would like to see some FCS success before a move up in a similar vein to what JMU accomplished this year before a move up, but that's not a requirement for me. We shouldn't move tomorrow, but it would be in our best interest to be FBS within the next 6-7 years before the next CFP contract gets negotiated as we'd want to be a part of that. Ideally as part of a regional conference of peer institutions.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on February 17, 2017, 05:26:43 am
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .

I was once a big time advocate for a move up to FBS, but maybe we should start off with a winning year, first. Ever since the move from the Big South to the CAA, SB cant gain any traction.

Hopefully with the addition of the interior work out facility SB can recruit better players and a real quarterback, then we can talk about an FBS move. I also think they have the money to do it, just not the talent, yet!!!!!!

I too would like to see some FCS success before a move up in a similar vein to what JMU accomplished this year before a move up, but that's not a requirement for me. We shouldn't move tomorrow, but it would be in our best interest to be FBS within the next 6-7 years before the next CFP contract gets negotiated as we'd want to be a part of that. Ideally as part of a regional conference of peer institutions.

Keep in mind. SB would have to expand that stadium to a NCAA min, 15,000 seats, and I am certain they have to guarantee a min of 15K tickets to sell otherwise the university makes up the difference. UMASS is going through that pain since their move up from the FCS.. A lot to consider when a program makes the leap..
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 17, 2017, 10:04:35 am
Coastal got the call from the Sun Belt to move up when their stadium was barely bigger than ours and was well below the NCAA minimum. I'm not saying this is something we should do straight away, but I'm glad it's an option. I think our biggest challenge right now is simply filling the stadium. I'd love FBS, but I have no interest in being Eastern Michigan playing in a 30k seat stadium that only has 4k show up every week. Priore hasn't got it done in the CAA and with Hemphill leaving I think we could go from a five win team yearly to a two or three win team which would kill attendance even more. SH should have fired Priore and made Hemphill the head coach, but that's another topic....

If we could get homecoming crowds on a weekly basis, we'll be in good shape for a move up when the time comes. I look at independence as an avenue to forming a regional FBS conference with peer institutions. We wouldn't be like BYU and try to do it forever obviously. This waiver that the NCAA granted opens the door for much of the current CAA football teams to reclassify as independents during the transition period and then come together as an FBS conference one the transition period is over.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 17, 2017, 10:21:38 am
 I like our options going forward now that Liberty has kind of led the way.  Finances and crowd support are big as is improving our talent base on the field . Hopefully in 5-7 years we will see movement with our expanded stadium and the indoor facility we are in good shape.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on February 17, 2017, 11:29:54 am
This is a big news for northeast FCS footprint. As VA_Seawolf mentioned.. if the "you must be invited by an existing FBS conference" clause is not important anymore, I can see more FCS programs going to FBS sooner before NCAA changes mind about the clause. JMU and Delaware definitely have FBS aspiration.

The dream scenario for Stony Brook would be if JMU and Delaware transit and along with independent UMASS, Army and couple of lost in AAC northeast schools like UCONN and Temple start playing together. Along with those 6 schools, they will need 2 or 3 more football programs for regular schedule. I can see northeast schools like Stony Brook, Albany, Towson being considered for potential add.

We just have to make sure when the opportunity comes, we are at the front of these potential candidates as The indisputable candidate. Which means we need to turn into a CAA powerhouse sooner than later and start filling up the stadium.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on February 17, 2017, 01:03:08 pm
Coastal got the call from the Sun Belt to move up when their stadium was barely bigger than ours and was well below the NCAA minimum. I'm not saying this is something we should do straight away, but I'm glad it's an option. I think our biggest challenge right now is simply filling the stadium. I'd love FBS, but I have no interest in being Eastern Michigan playing in a 30k seat stadium that only has 4k show up every week. Priore hasn't got it done in the CAA and with Hemphill leaving I think we could go from a five win team yearly to a two or three win team which would kill attendance even more. SH should have fired Priore and made Hemphill the head coach, but that's another topic....

If we could get homecoming crowds on a weekly basis, we'll be in good shape for a move up when the time comes. I look at independence as an avenue to forming a regional FBS conference with peer institutions. We wouldn't be like BYU and try to do it forever obviously. This waiver that the NCAA granted opens the door for much of the current CAA football teams to reclassify as independents during the transition period and then come together as an FBS conference one the transition period is over.
I agree with you 1000% about coach P. Hemphill most likely would have stayed with SB had he gotten a shot at HC..Everybody on this Forum knows how I feel about this topic.. Coach P is stuck with SB through 2018 and he will not be let go. I think some of that has to do with $$. SB took a  hit with Fiore and they cant afford to take another hit with P. I also think our AD is somewhat committed to coach P because P was influential with making the decision to bring Heilbron on board.. If Fields is another dud, this team will be lucky to win 3 games this season.. Coach P should and must go!!!!!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 17, 2017, 02:48:43 pm
This is a big news for northeast FCS footprint. As VA_Seawolf mentioned.. if the "you must be invited by an existing FBS conference" clause is not important anymore, I can see more FCS programs going to FBS sooner before NCAA changes mind about the clause. JMU and Delaware definitely have FBS aspiration.

The dream scenario for Stony Brook would be if JMU and Delaware transit and along with independent UMASS, Army and couple of lost in AAC northeast schools like UCONN and Temple start playing together. Along with those 6 schools, they will need 2 or 3 more football programs for regular schedule. I can see northeast schools like Stony Brook, Albany, Towson being considered for potential add.

We just have to make sure when the opportunity comes, we are at the front of these potential candidates as The indisputable candidate. Which means we need to turn into a CAA powerhouse sooner than later and start filling up the stadium.

A conference like one outlined below I think would be really beneficial for SBU and overall G5 football in the northeast in general:

Stony Brook
Buffalo
Albany (if they move up, I personally wouldn't mind the competition)
New Hampshire
UMASS
Delaware
Temple
Marshall
Cincinatti
JMU
ODU
Charlotte
VCU (non-football)
Dayton (non-football)

Six team divisions for football, basketball you could work out. Others like Towson or possibly the academies could come along. This league could easily get at least two bids a year to the NCAA tournament. Some schools lag academically, but would bring recruiting and good football tradition. Everyone would get a little bit of everything as far as travel partners and rivalries go. This league assumes UCONN gets a P5 invite, Cincinnati doesn't get raided by the remnants of the Big 12/AAC/MWC, and that VCU, UMASS, and others would leave the A10, but this would be a very solid, very much regional league without too many outliers. If others like Charlotte or Marshall want to realign south, that's their choice, we simply settle at 9-12 members or invite other schools. The NCAA has a continuity rule for basketball auto-bids, but we could work that bit out if we got a full invite with Albany and UNH to the CAA...
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 17, 2017, 07:06:19 pm
That's a good looking conference  hopefully we will see something like that develop someday.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 01, 2017, 10:12:53 pm
since most agree here that one giant hurdle is attendance- cant fill an 8200 hundred seat stadium on a regular basis.  how to fill 15k?

cant fill either if kids arent on campus.  it aint gonna be 15k locals.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 01, 2017, 11:00:41 pm
That's   the problem in a nutshell . Folks don't come out in great numbers for SBU Football . If the weather is rain or cold then even less butts are in the seats.  We shall see  going forward.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 02, 2017, 10:53:59 am
the good news is that with a large campus (over 20k students, half on campus, thousands of faculty) it's possible to tap this base to fill LaValle.

next question is how to keep them on campus, and then more importantly, how to get them to the game.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on March 02, 2017, 12:28:40 pm
Our biggest problem these past four seasons has been that we suck. Last year was really looking like a breakthrough season where we could have returned to the playoffs, but then we sh*t the bed. No reason we should lose to friggin Sacred Heart. We have way too much talent to be a 5 win team annually, even in the CAA. We should always be winning AT LEAST 7 games and be in the playoff hunt.

 Attendance from October on has always been bad, but start winning and people will show up. The brand of football we play too also may have something to do with it. People like to watch the tempo/spread offenses of the Baylor's and Oregon's of the world. With Hemphill gone, it's possible we don't even win 5 next year.

Get Priore out of there and things will improve. I appreciate what he's done for the program, but he's now stagnated. It's looking like all those Big South titles and playoff appearances were more the result of Hofstra's program folding and us having a huge talent advantage compared to the rest of the Big South than him. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on March 02, 2017, 04:17:05 pm
Our biggest problem these past four seasons has been that we suck. Last year was really looking like a breakthrough season where we could have returned to the playoffs, but then we sh*t the bed. No reason we should lose to friggin Sacred Heart. We have way too much talent to be a 5 win team annually, even in the CAA. We should always be winning AT LEAST 7 games and be in the playoff hunt.

 Attendance from October on has always been bad, but start winning and people will show up. The brand of football we play too also may have something to do with it. People like to watch the tempo/spread offenses of the Baylor's and Oregon's of the world. With Hemphill gone, it's possible we don't even win 5 next year.

Get Priore out of there and things will improve. I appreciate what he's done for the program, but he's now stagnated. It's looking like all those Big South titles and playoff appearances were more the result of Hofstra's program folding and us having a huge talent advantage compared to the rest of the Big South than him.

Bravo, bravo!!! I agree wholeheartedly.. Problem SB has with coach P is his contract.. We are stuck with him if you like it or not. SB could go 0-22 for the next 2 seasons and he will be our coach. His contract runs through the 2018 season. Read it and weep.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 02, 2017, 08:18:46 pm
There are ways to fill the stands, but it will not happen overnight.  Winning certainly breeds enthusiasm which will help fill the stands.  Look at what the signing of Warney did to the basketball program.  Getting that kind of marquis player can do wonders for a team, and its ability to draw fans at the gate.  Is it easy to get that kind of marquis star to come to Stony Brook.....no way!  It takes work and perseverance on many levels, and sometimes takes a bit of luck as well.

Regarding football, you have to start at home on Long Island, IMO.  3MM people live out here and we're the only DI football team on the Island.  There are lots of kids who want to stay home, play football at the D1 level, but know they aren't good enough to play at Alabama or a marquis football program, but are outstanding players.  We need to recruit heavily from the area, and establish a presence, that becomes a magnet for strong local talent.  And most of all, you need to attract a Long Island QB that can be the fulcrum of the team.  Coaching aside, it all starts with the QB.

Here are some ideas on how to fill the stands, and how to obtain the best talent on Long Island.  It takes money to market the team, so we need to budget for these items, but the payoff (prestige and financial) will come down the road:

1) Offer a free full-year academic scholarship to one lucky student every game.  Advertise this in the campus newspapers and with flyers around campus and especially, in the dorms.  No excuse for students not packing the stands every week;

2) SBU athletic staff needs to stay plugged in to the High School football programs on Long Island, particularly the strong ones.  Provide free tickets to High School
Football Programs in the area, on a rotating basis, to help promote the SBU brand.  Do this for every game.  Create a buzz amongst Long Island High School players;

3) Create a free weekly digital magazine for the football team, that is distributed to every Long Island High School football program, and to local community members.  You need the locals to start identifying with the only game in town, and a digital magazine adds credence and visibility to the program;

4) Establish weekly coaching media segments on News12, WFAN, and on Newsday.com without fail;

5) Establish bonuses for coaching staffs and even the AD.  Let part of the compensation packages be contingent on performance on the field.  Winning attracts talent, not only athletically, but academically as well.  Winning fills seats, even if it's 35 degrees outside and raining.

Yes, we are doing some of this already, but we need to do it better, if we want to grow the program, and take that next step.  It's a process, and it takes time.  Attracting talent and winning will result in more talent being acquired, more fan interest, and will snowball as time moves on.

We've come a long way over the years for sure, but there's a much longer and more fruitful journey ahead to get to the next plateau.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on March 03, 2017, 10:13:18 am
OldSeawolf,

Those are All EXCELLENT ideas!! You need a job in the athletic department because each of those would definitely drive up attendance AND good players/coaches coming to the program. That right there is how you do it. 1 and 2 are absolutely brilliant. Most kids at SBU (and rightfully so) are VERY academically inclined, unfortunately to the point where a lot of them don't care about athletics or anything else. Giving out a free year of tuition potentially just for attending a football game? That would drive up attendance bigly!

Free tickets for LI high schools is also another great way to drive up interest from local recruits! Hell, invite entire varsity rosters to games with free tickets on a rotating basis so that teams can make a full event out of the game itself. Really get them invested early. Also, we have a tendency to only offer walk-on spots and not scholarships to local players. We might want to look into that. Performance based bonuses for the coaches should be a given and any cost would easily be offset by the exposure if we can go on the kind of run JMU went on this past season. Excellent points.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 03, 2017, 10:41:49 am
Great post OldSeawolf!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 03, 2017, 10:49:09 am
Our biggest problem these past four seasons has been that we suck. Last year was really looking like a breakthrough season where we could have returned to the playoffs, but then we sh*t the bed. No reason we should lose to friggin Sacred Heart. We have way too much talent to be a 5 win team annually, even in the CAA. We should always be winning AT LEAST 7 games and be in the playoff hunt.

 Attendance from October on has always been bad, but start winning and people will show up. The brand of football we play too also may have something to do with it. People like to watch the tempo/spread offenses of the Baylor's and Oregon's of the world. With Hemphill gone, it's possible we don't even win 5 next year.

Get Priore out of there and things will improve. I appreciate what he's done for the program, but he's now stagnated. It's looking like all those Big South titles and playoff appearances were more the result of Hofstra's program folding and us having a huge talent advantage compared to the rest of the Big South than him.

That is a good point. Stars like Maysonet and others from Hofstra created a sudden influx of football talent into Stony Brook football and gave us a huge boost.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on March 03, 2017, 01:10:56 pm
I think Old Seawolf made some great new points to promote our football program . I would add advertising locally.  I travelled the Metro North Railroad many times . In the fall all you see on the trains and on the stations was the Army Football schedule posters. In the winter you would see the Fordham Basketball Schedule . Neither program are world beaters but they do put themselves out there for the public to see.  It couldn't hurt to make a deal with the MTA for posters on trains and in stations  with our football schedule and Wolfie up in print, especially stations on the east end of Suffolk County.  Even if only 100 extra  people showed up for  game it could spread by word of mouth .
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chrissy D. on March 05, 2017, 01:27:21 am
When local kids are offered a preffered walk on spot, they are given grant money and guaranteed a spot on the roster. Since they are instate residents most recieve full aid for school. By bringing in preffered walk ons it allows you to have 15 - 17 more scholarships on the roster without counting against your scholarship limit. Straight walk ons get no more than a camp tryout, possibly make the team. The team can't offer a preffered walk on a scholarship until after their 2nd year. If they did offer before that then it would count as a scholarship against the PFO's freshman year and thus put the school over the scholly limit for that year. This is why most PFO's are redshirted. By doing this they can be eligible to earn a scholarship for three years. Either way they would still recieve the grant money as long as they remained eligible. The only money PFO's recieve from football is the housing cost for summer camp. This is a good tool that all FBS and FCS schools use, especially state schools. Kids like John Haggert and Jake Carlock recieved scholarships. Anthony Catapano , Stacy Bedell, Isaiah White and Nunez are also examples of local kids on scholarships. Before them Jackolski, Maysonette and Dudley. Although the coach leaves a lot to be desired the preffered walk on program works for the schools. The best example of this is Clay Mathews at USC.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on March 05, 2017, 05:43:06 pm
When local kids are offered a preffered walk on spot, they are given grant money and guaranteed a spot on the roster. Since they are instate residents most recieve full aid for school. By bringing in preffered walk ons it allows you to have 15 - 17 more scholarships on the roster without counting against your scholarship limit. Straight walk ons get no more than a camp tryout, possibly make the team. The team can't offer a preffered walk on a scholarship until after their 2nd year. If they did offer before that then it would count as a scholarship against the PFO's freshman year and thus put the school over the scholly limit for that year. This is why most PFO's are redshirted. By doing this they can be eligible to earn a scholarship for three years. Either way they would still recieve the grant money as long as they remained eligible. The only money PFO's recieve from football is the housing cost for summer camp. This is a good tool that all FBS and FCS schools use, especially state schools. Kids like John Haggert and Jake Carlock recieved scholarships. Anthony Catapano , Stacy Bedell, Isaiah White and Nunez are also examples of local kids on scholarships. Before them Jackolski, Maysonette and Dudley. Although the coach leaves a lot to be desired the preffered walk on program works for the schools. The best example of this is Clay Mathews at USC.

Thanks for the breakdown. So by using the preferred walk-on status instead of a scholarship we're able to keep scholarship level athletes on the roster without actually using one so we can say offer a full to an out of state kid or a kid with more recruiting options? Is this kind of like the Ivies where they can't give an athletic scholarship but instead give an academic one that covers most/all of it?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chrissy D. on March 05, 2017, 09:03:45 pm
Yes VA u hit it on the nose. Out of state or local recruits with more sholarship options are the ones they give them to. I am not sure how Ivy's give out grant money. I happened to read an article a few months back on the preffered walk on program. Lacrosse uses grant money for locals also because they only have about 13 schollys to give out and sometimes have to break them up and spread out to a few kids. Baseball also only has the same amount and they will use the grants for instate players. Just another benefit of stsying instate for school.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 08, 2017, 09:40:55 am
There are ways to fill the stands, but it will not happen overnight.  Winning certainly breeds enthusiasm which will help fill the stands.  Look at what the signing of Warney did to the basketball program.  Getting that kind of marquis player can do wonders for a team, and its ability to draw fans at the gate.  Is it easy to get that kind of marquis star to come to Stony Brook.....no way!  It takes work and perseverance on many levels, and sometimes takes a bit of luck as well.

Regarding football, you have to start at home on Long Island, IMO.  3MM people live out here and we're the only DI football team on the Island.  There are lots of kids who want to stay home, play football at the D1 level, but know they aren't good enough to play at Alabama or a marquis football program, but are outstanding players.  We need to recruit heavily from the area, and establish a presence, that becomes a magnet for strong local talent.  And most of all, you need to attract a Long Island QB that can be the fulcrum of the team.  Coaching aside, it all starts with the QB.

Here are some ideas on how to fill the stands, and how to obtain the best talent on Long Island.  It takes money to market the team, so we need to budget for these items, but the payoff (prestige and financial) will come down the road:

1) Offer a free full-year academic scholarship to one lucky student every game.  Advertise this in the campus newspapers and with flyers around campus and especially, in the dorms.  No excuse for students not packing the stands every week;

2) SBU athletic staff needs to stay plugged in to the High School football programs on Long Island, particularly the strong ones.  Provide free tickets to High School
Football Programs in the area, on a rotating basis, to help promote the SBU brand.  Do this for every game.  Create a buzz amongst Long Island High School players;

3) Create a free weekly digital magazine for the football team, that is distributed to every Long Island High School football program, and to local community members.  You need the locals to start identifying with the only game in town, and a digital magazine adds credence and visibility to the program;

4) Establish weekly coaching media segments on News12, WFAN, and on Newsday.com without fail;

5) Establish bonuses for coaching staffs and even the AD.  Let part of the compensation packages be contingent on performance on the field.  Winning attracts talent, not only athletically, but academically as well.  Winning fills seats, even if it's 35 degrees outside and raining.

Yes, we are doing some of this already, but we need to do it better, if we want to grow the program, and take that next step.  It's a process, and it takes time.  Attracting talent and winning will result in more talent being acquired, more fan interest, and will snowball as time moves on.

We've come a long way over the years for sure, but there's a much longer and more fruitful journey ahead to get to the next plateau.

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/2012-2020-future-of-stony-brook-football/msg12032/#msg12032

we also have a whole separate thread for ideas if anyone wants to read it: http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 08, 2017, 10:07:40 am

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/2012-2020-future-of-stony-brook-football/msg12032/#msg12032

we also have a whole separate thread for ideas if anyone wants to read it: http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/

Thanks!  Sorry, if I posted in the wrong thread.  Looks like great minds think alike.... :)

This isn't rocket science. Your additional suggestions are excellent.  Athletics needs  to step back and look at the big picture, and put a plan into place.  Budget issues certainly are always an issue, especially with a state-funded school.  But need to sell these ancillary ideas to Dubin and other bug donors, and put some of this to work, to get to that next level.

We have come very far over the last 20 years, and all those involved in that should certainly be commended.  But, sometimes people become complacent with the status quo, and don't recognize that there is always room for improvement.  And of course, the arm chair quarterbacks don't know the inner workings of the Athletic department either, so we don't always know what is involved either.  Hopefully, we've provided them with some suggestions that can be considered.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 08, 2018, 11:07:07 am
on the LIU post/brooklyn merger: https://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/442130-conference-expansion-explosion-coming-260.html

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LIU is positioning to be an AE school
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on October 08, 2018, 11:30:27 am
Interesting article  but please not the MAC .  My vote and geography tells me the AAC if they call  -UConn. Temple etc .
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 08, 2018, 04:16:47 pm
I'm glad the poster mentioned LIU as a potential backfill addition for the AE, but there's no reason for the AE to expand right now. We turned down NJIT, and I don't think we really needed Lowell either.

The idea LIU, with their D2 call up program would replace us in the CAA is laughable. Monmouth, Hampton, CCSU, Kennesaw State, Youngstown State and others would be a higher priority for the CAA than LIU. The CAA would want to maintain it's spot as a top FCS football conference and LIU doesn't do that. I think the league collapsing if us, JMU, and Delaware all leave is just as likely though. Richmond, Nova, and W&M go to the Patriot, and the rest either backfill with weak teams, or join other conferences.

Interesting article  but please not the MAC .  My vote and geography tells me the AAC if they call  -UConn. Temple etc .

The AAC isn't happening right out of FCS. They're focused on being treated like a power conference and power conferences don't add FCS teams. That same reason is why JMU will never get the call from them. If the AAC is the goal, we're probably best served playing in the MAC, doing well there, and then being attractive to the AAC when they need to backfill membership.

The most likely realignment move for us in the immediate future would be an all-sports move to the CAA. All it would take is the other schools to tell Hofstra (and probably Northeastern too) to pound sand and vote us in. Albany likely comes along with us. That version of the CAA probably still isn't a multi-bid conference, but it's an attractive league for us. JMU is definitely going FBS soon, so the CAA will want to add teams on the Olympic sports side. There would be no football involved in that, so really it's something that could happen at any time. If a month from now there was a headline saying SBU and Albany accepted all-sports invites to the CAA, I wouldn't be all that shocked. Hofstra is not Texas, they can't single handedly hold a conference hostage like that.

 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 10, 2018, 03:35:33 pm
some really interesting thoughts from newobserver: https://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/442130-conference-expansion-explosion-coming-261.html
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on October 10, 2018, 06:47:30 pm
Interesting article.  Vermont fans are very content staying in the America East  anything more  would not work for them .  I understand where the Albany fans are coming from  they  want the same route to FBS and better conference affiliation  as we do.    Given our advancements in facilities and seeing the teams win I could us moving up  in under 5 years along with Albany and JMU .  Not sure where we will land  but it  could be exciting .  Vermont will never budge from the AE unless the conference folds. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 10, 2018, 09:48:01 pm
some really interesting thoughts from newobserver: https://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/442130-conference-expansion-explosion-coming-261.html

Very interesting thread. I get a good chuckle out of that Maine fan who thinks any AE program that isn't content with playing in a middle school gym in front of 100 people is being uppity and expecting too much  ;D ;D.

The move is going to happen. Our academic and institutional profile is more in line with a Big Ten or Pac-12 school than it is with the AE. It's only a matter of time. Our academics, facilities, relevance in NYC and NYS, strong athletic programs, etc. are all things we can bring to a conference. In response to the people in that thread bashing us lol.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 16, 2018, 10:10:54 am
a few more astute thoughts: https://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/442130-conference-expansion-explosion-coming-263.html

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I didn't say the CAA wasn't a good conference for FCS football, it is. But it will not draw fans on Long Island or in Albany. It just won't when you are so close to the Giants and Jets. It won't. Fans in those 2 areas just won't turn out for anything less than the top level. It is what it is.

Sports snobs all around. Actually it's not just sports, it's everything. Get a mid level band and you can get tickets at show time. Get a major band and it sells out in 20 minutes. It's not like other areas that have nothing else going on.

UA and even Siena struggle for attendance. A NBA preseason game sells out the TUC quickly. UA football averages what 4k fans? The Giants preseason camp got more than that every day of the week.

Long Island is worse. Bring top level or no one cares.


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Syracuse may have lower attendance than other schools, but they can get 30k per game in market that is smaller than both Albany and Long Island.

UMBC last year and UVM in 2005 both got more exposure in their tournament wins than JMU got for winning an FCS national title. That pretty much says it all.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 16, 2018, 11:56:50 am
Absolutely. Excellent points that have been observed by looking at other programs in large markets. When you've got 2 NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, and several other college and university teams around you, you need to play at the highest level possible to stand out. I'm not sure if FBS alone would do that (P5 in the ACC or Big Ten would), but it's better than being barely above D2 in people's thoughts and minds. This comment spelled it out perfectly I think.

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You can spend $100 for a 30 second commercial on a radio station no one listens to and get no value for your dollar, $1000 on a popular local radio station and get a little value, or $10,000 and get a national TV ad and reach the whole country.

FBS is the answer and it's coming. Question is when and with what schools. An eastern FBS league with schools like Temple, Umass, JMU, ODU, Army, etc. would be a no brainer. The MAC slightly less so perhaps, but could be a means to an end, or maybe the end itself if they really commit to having an eastern block of teams.

It's going to happen, but until we know how the Big 12 is going to shake out, it's all simply speculation. If nothing happens in the Big 12, we may not get the opening we want. There's rumors CUSA could split in half east/west, but that may not do all that much for us either. Time will tell. Regardless of what happens with football though, there's nothing stopping SBU from immediately making a move to improve basketball should a suitable invite come along. I've mentioned the CAA and A10 before as possible landing spots regardless of football.

Interesting article on what the big upset over UVA did for UMBC.

https://sports.yahoo.com/publicity-umbcs-upset-generated-worth-staggering-amount-money-054324907.html
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on October 16, 2018, 02:39:30 pm
SH son plays JV football with my younger boy at WM, and i asked him this question yesterday at the game. I asked Shawn. When does he see SB moving up to the FBS. His answer, "Let's win our conference first before we talk about the FBS" That's a big change from the first couple of years as AD for SB, but it's the right answer. How can we talk about moving up to the FBS when SB is only a middle of the road CAA team and we cant beat the upper CAA teams. Towson destroyed SB and JMU most likely will too. Beat JMU and keep games close against the likes of NDSU, SDSU. JSU, SHU etc.. and then maybe, just maybe we can talk FBS aspirations down the road.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: sbufan on October 16, 2018, 03:34:43 pm
Interesting thread. Is NewObserver a poster on here? I thought they made some great points that, predictably, ruffled some jealous, new englander feathers.

I'm so bullish on Stony Brook right now. I just think there is so much momentum behind the university between the recent US News ranking, the 630 million dollars they raised during the campaign for Stony Brook, and the fact that the teams are winning. The next couple years are going to be exciting.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 16, 2018, 03:37:20 pm
bingo, agreed.

yeah even the vermonters and some danes agree that SB has the potential and the draw to move on up (it's just a question of when). a good sign.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 16, 2018, 04:08:33 pm
SH son plays JV football with my younger boy at WM, and i asked him this question yesterday at the game. I asked Shawn. When does he see SB moving up to the FBS. His answer, "Let's win our conference first before we talk about the FBS" That's a big change from the first couple of years as AD for SB, but it's the right answer. How can we talk about moving up to the FBS when SB is only a middle of the road CAA team and we cant beat the upper CAA teams. Towson destroyed SB and JMU most likely will too. Beat JMU and keep games close against the likes of NDSU, SDSU. JSU, SHU etc.. and then maybe, just maybe we can talk FBS aspirations down the road.

I really appreciate how accessible SH is to the community, and to the donors, I really do, but I suspect that answer is much more of a deflection than it is the truth. Realignment moves often come out of nowhere with little warning as there's lots on the line if speculation and rumor leaks to the public. If there actually is something in the works, only a few people in the athletic department along with President Stanley would be privy to it. That's the kind of information you can't afford to let out of the hat prematurely as there's literally millions of dollars on the line.

I understand your train of thought Hammertime, but it is completely irrelevant for moving up. As I've said before, success on the field is the least important thing when it comes to conference realignment. Your academics, your market, recruiting territory, relevance in your state, etc. matter much, much more. We're in the AAU for crying out loud. Harvard, Yale, UC Berkley, Princeton, Washington, etc. deemed us worthy enough to vote us into their club. That's a hell of a lot more impressive than winning a couple football games.

Both Liberty and Coastal Carolina, teams who we frequently beat up on in the Big South are FBS now. We'd have probably won four more conference titles since had we stayed there. I have zero problem with wanting to win at the FCS level and enjoying it while we can before moving on to bigger and better things, but let's not act like we need to win five national titles before moving up. That's the least of it.

A move is going to come. An AAU school in the largest market in the country is ripe for the taking. An opportunity is going to present itself shortly. My guess is by the middle of the next decade pending what happens in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 16, 2018, 04:27:33 pm
just to support that argument- look at why the B10 took RuTgers.  mediocre athletics for the most part, by NYC market (in their eyes at least).

same for maryland, which is 8 miles out of DC.

now for nebraska... i dunno.  tradition?  thought they'd be more competitive in football (currently 0-6 with Frost on the hot seat)

before that i believe Penn State was the most recent add- possibly early 90s or mid 90s.  but that was a different era.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on October 16, 2018, 08:26:07 pm
  I think Shawn is deflecting .  If an FBS offer came along we would jump at it Im sure.  As posted earlier Coastal Carolina and Liberty are both FBS now so its not impossible to see SBU moving up . With over 26k in student enrollment, AAU member, almost all brand new athletic facilities and growing and 50 miles from NYC . The next 3 years will tell us for sure.  Remember also we are a Top 15 STEM School now which is huge  in academic circles.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on December 16, 2018, 02:43:21 am
Some more realignment rumors churning. These moves result in other moves that trickle down (or perhaps up) the chain to other conferences.

Augustana (tiny private school in Sioux Falls SD) is rumored to be going D1. Most likely landing spot is all-sports in The Summit League, with football in either the MVFC or Pioneer. This could open the door for the Summit to split off from the MVFC and start their own FCS football conference. Augustana has a history with the four Dakota flagship schools. Personally, I question if a school their size should even sponsor varsity athletics, let alone D1 athletics. They've got a major billionaire donor behind them though who is the driving force behind it all. 

https://twitter.com/argusmattz/status/1073379510303768576

Additionally, Dixie State is rumored to be joining the WAC. The WAC has been desperate for schools for years since all the football schools left, and this is a move that's long been rumored. Dixie State is located in St. George Utah (yeah, I couldn't believe it either. With a name like that you'd expect Mississippi or Alabama).

http://dixiesunnews.com/news/articles/2018/12/06/division-i-decision-remains-undecided/

Interesting thing to note with all these moves is that they're happening on their own with no domino from the P5 causing them. There's always talks happening behind the scenes among ADs and presidents. That's why I wouldn't be surprised at all if one day seemingly out of the blue Stanley came out and announced SBU was moving to the CAA, A10, or MAC. There's always talks going on.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on December 16, 2018, 10:57:35 am
There was some speculation that we will see next batch of major realignment in 2024/2025 with Big 12 looking to expand or Texas/OU looking to finally bolt to Pac12/Big10. But now it seems none of those are likely to happen. Conferences have stabilized. Especially if CFP expands to 8, then there’s no incentive for any changes to the power 5 conferences. Rumored expanded 8 team playoffs: 5 spots to five P5 champions, 1 spot to best of G5 and 2 spots at large. Big 12 schools already making a lot of money. More than ACC and PAC 12. Texas and OU will realize best to stay in Big 12 as big fish and easier path to the playoffs each year. PAC12 will be happy with a guaranteed spot in expanded playoffs. UCF will be happy in AAC If G5 gets a guaranteed spot in the expanded playoffs as rumored currently. Notre Dame will be happy because of at large opportunity. Basically I think we will see a long time stability.

Big10 might regret adding programs like Rutgers. Because cable money is drying out. Cord cutting age is here. More and more people will be streaming. Incentive for more content for cable channels will end. The desire to reach new tv markets will end. Espn won’t be the sole streaming option monopolizing college sports.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Checkmate on January 19, 2019, 05:24:33 pm
Hey UConn, let’s get in a room with UMass and a few other schools and talk about a regional conference that makes sense for everybody.

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uconn-sports-athletic-department-finances-revenue-expenses-20190117-2wdp5gimnvhlliwykl6npcmy7u-story.html


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Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest369 on January 19, 2019, 05:53:00 pm
How’s the rest of The American doing... or is it just UCONN struggling
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 19, 2019, 06:35:38 pm
All the article really talks about is how UConn was spending like they were in a power conference, and were expecting to get an invite to the ACC, only to be relegated to the American with a TV deal that's a fraction of what they were making/could have made back in the old football Big East. They won't give up until they're absolutely certain they're not getting into the ACC.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Wolffan on January 19, 2019, 06:57:14 pm
SBNation article on UConn suggests a move to FCS (NEC then CAA) and men's hoops to Big  East (total pipe dream). UMass, BTW, continues to show the folly of a New England public school trying to play FBS.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on January 20, 2019, 12:32:49 am
Hey UConn, let’s get in a room with UMass and a few other schools and talk about a regional conference that makes sense for everybody.

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uconn-sports-athletic-department-finances-revenue-expenses-20190117-2wdp5gimnvhlliwykl6npcmy7u-story.html


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UConn should wave the white flag in football and save their basketball. P5 dream invite ain't coming. Rutgers going to B10 was probably the last lucky one from northeast region. UConn along with Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, Navy and Army would make a nice 8 teams northeast regional public school FBS conference. Enjoy the football and local rivalry and forget about toilet bowls. Navy and Army can keep their all sports in patriot leage and add VCU and URI for basketball. Should get 3-4 bids to the dance every year. Minimizes travel costs. Fans would be more excited facing these teams than Tulane or Tulsa.

FB: UConn, Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, Army and Navy
BB: UConn, Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, VCU and URI

Makes too much sense to ever happen in dysfunctional FBS world.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 20, 2019, 08:17:07 am
Boy, that article sounds like Hofstra Football on steroids.  I can see UConn dropping football and other sports.  Leaving the Big East really backfired, huh?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 20, 2019, 05:17:11 pm
Hey UConn, let’s get in a room with UMass and a few other schools and talk about a regional conference that makes sense for everybody.

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uconn-sports-athletic-department-finances-revenue-expenses-20190117-2wdp5gimnvhlliwykl6npcmy7u-story.html


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UConn should wave the white flag in football and save their basketball. P5 dream invite ain't coming. Rutgers going to B10 was probably the last lucky one from northeast region. UConn along with Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, Navy and Army would make a nice 8 teams northeast regional public school FBS conference. Enjoy the football and local rivalry and forget about toilet bowls. Navy and Army can keep their all sports in patriot leage and add VCU and URI for basketball. Should get 3-4 bids to the dance every year. Minimizes travel costs. Fans would be more excited facing these teams than Tulane or Tulsa.

FB: UConn, Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, Army and Navy
BB: UConn, Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, VCU and URI

Makes too much sense to ever happen in dysfunctional FBS world.

It can't happen because conference realignment is never clean. What incentive do many of these school shave to move?? You're taking schools from three different conferences plus some independents and trying to mix them in together.

If Uconn ever did anything to football, it would be dropping to FCS (CAA would take them) and putting everything else in the Big East like Villanova does. Any other movement is contingent on what the Big 12 does here in the coming decade, if it survives, does the AAC get raided, etc. This would be a nice league and would be something us, JMU, Delaware, and others would have an interest in, but again, it's too early to say what will happen.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Redwyn on January 21, 2019, 12:06:26 am
Hey UConn, let’s get in a room with UMass and a few other schools and talk about a regional conference that makes sense for everybody.

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uconn-sports-athletic-department-finances-revenue-expenses-20190117-2wdp5gimnvhlliwykl6npcmy7u-story.html


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UConn should wave the white flag in football and save their basketball. P5 dream invite ain't coming. Rutgers going to B10 was probably the last lucky one from northeast region. UConn along with Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, Navy and Army would make a nice 8 teams northeast regional public school FBS conference. Enjoy the football and local rivalry and forget about toilet bowls. Navy and Army can keep their all sports in patriot leage and add VCU and URI for basketball. Should get 3-4 bids to the dance every year. Minimizes travel costs. Fans would be more excited facing these teams than Tulane or Tulsa.

FB: UConn, Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, Army and Navy
BB: UConn, Umass, Buffalo, Temple, ODU, ECU, VCU and URI

Makes too much sense to ever happen in dysfunctional FBS world.

It can't happen because conference realignment is never clean. What incentive do many of these school shave to move?? You're taking schools from three different conferences plus some independents and trying to mix them in together.

If Uconn ever did anything to football, it would be dropping to FCS (CAA would take them) and putting everything else in the Big East like Villanova does. Any other movement is contingent on what the Big 12 does here in the coming decade, if it survives, does the AAC get raided, etc. This would be a nice league and would be something us, JMU, Delaware, and others would have an interest in, but again, it's too early to say what will happen.

It would be stunning to me if UConn dropped football. Football is too much of a reputation marker for large state universities. It's why UMass is clearly lost in the ether there, yet still makes every attempt to permit the sport to exist.

At some point, the digital migration and geography agnostic identity of the internet will do three things:
1. Make revenue outside P5 near flat for all sports but football
2. Make G5 revenue unsustainable against the maintenance costs of a FBS football conference
3. Mandate the re-regionalization off football conferences to drive down prohibitive travel costs and as a way to attempt to drive up local attention and support. (this could be more substantial than you think - it would just need to be at a crossroads year when a bunch of media contracts are up all at once)

Conference wishlist:

NE/Mid-Atlantic Large State Universities
SUNY - Stony Brook
SUNY - Buffalo
UMass
Temple
Delaware
Old Dominion
James Madison
Towson
Army
Navy

NE Small State/Privates
Maine
UNH
URI
Richmond
Villanova
LIU
CCSU
William & Mary
Elon
Albany
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on January 21, 2019, 05:21:17 pm
I approve Albany in the small state list  ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on January 22, 2019, 10:39:45 am
Looking at UConn and UMass's messy situations, here is my question to fellow Seawolves fans? What is our main sport, football or basketball?

If football is our main sport, then we should be improving ourselves so that if there is a realignment in the northeast/mid-atlantic region, we are ready for jump to FBS along with JMU and Delaware, whether to an eastern CUSA division with ODU and UNCC, or to an eastern MAC division with Buffalo. Highly doubt an AAC invite. Also to keep in mind that joining any of these conferences will push our athletic expenses through the roof. The travel cost to Texas teams in CUSA won't be sustainable. MAC might be more manageable but will they expand after the failed experiments with UMass and Temple? Is being independent an option, like UMASS?

If basketball is our main sport, then perhaps multi-bid A10 should be the goal while football stays FCS? Except a few outlier (SLU and Dayton), most of the teams are in the east coast.

What is our athletic department and university board's vision?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on January 22, 2019, 11:00:35 am
Can't answer for the university but the focus should be on basketball. A university like SBU will never be able to elevate its football program to a point of national prominence where it attracts hordes of applicants, faculty, and donors as a result. However, it does have a chance of fielding a basketball team that makes it to the Sweet 16 or even higher. Of course for that to happen, it has to first move to a better conference.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 22, 2019, 11:08:00 am
while i love good football- i do want to point out that getting to that next level will also invite the bad.  you guys know what im talking about
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 22, 2019, 11:11:01 am
Can't answer for the university but the focus should be on basketball. A university like SBU will never be able to elevate its football program to a point of national prominence where it attracts hordes of applicants, faculty, and donors as a result. However, it does have a chance of fielding a basketball team that makes it to the Sweet 16 or even higher. Of course for that to happen, it has to first move to a better conference.

Agree on all your points.  Additionally, the cost, return on investment, logistics (conference move, expansion of stadium, parking issues) are major roadblocks, IMO.  I'm a big proponent of bite-sized, laser-focused deliverables, as opposed to going after the whole enchilada.  I think focusing on basketball and moving to a more prestigious conference is the way to go moving forward.  I don't think our AD would agree with that though.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on January 22, 2019, 11:37:52 am
The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams. But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change. Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island. Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they will come" applies here. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Seawolf97 on January 22, 2019, 11:51:43 am
 I would improve on basketball and leave football at the FCS level .  Boals seems to have a knack for recruiting some good talent so lets out money behind that .  I dont see football advancing much further than where they are now .  Basketball draws and if the home schedule were to improve then we would be see home crowds of 3.5k or better .  Right now we are almost there at 2.7k or 2.8k without the students and playing AE teams.  Other than the A10 not sure what conference would look at us unless bring football along.
  I watched Buffalo the other  night against Eastern Michigan . The game drew almost  7k  without the students and the announcers said the weather was bad outside.  Not a bad draw but they also have football . Its going to be tough whatever we decide .  But basketball should become more of a priority .
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 22, 2019, 12:19:54 pm
i think football attendance can improve, however, you need to first remedy one very specific issue.  kids on campus on weekends. (trigger broken record)

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 22, 2019, 12:27:56 pm
Looking at UConn and UMass's messy situations, here is my question to fellow Seawolves fans? What is our main sport, football or basketball?

If football is our main sport, then we should be improving ourselves so that if there is a realignment in the northeast/mid-atlantic region, we are ready for jump to FBS along with JMU and Delaware, whether to an eastern CUSA division with ODU and UNCC, or to an eastern MAC division with Buffalo. Highly doubt an AAC invite. Also to keep in mind that joining any of these conferences will push our athletic expenses through the roof. The travel cost to Texas teams in CUSA won't be sustainable. MAC might be more manageable but will they expand after the failed experiments with UMass and Temple? Is being independent an option, like UMASS?

If basketball is our main sport, then perhaps multi-bid A10 should be the goal while football stays FCS? Except a few outlier (SLU and Dayton), most of the teams are in the east coast.

What is our athletic department and university board's vision?

The current CUSA situation is untenable long term and there is likely going to be a split. I wouldn't rule out us being considered to be put into that eastern half. Travel to Texas and Louisiana for games isn't likely something we'd need to worry about.

The reason the MAC experiments failed is that Temple was a former Big East member with Big East ties that got them back into that conference when appropriate, and UMASS didn't want to sacrifice their spot in the A10, a better basketball league than the MAC. We'd be a natural rival for Buffalo, and short of an AAC invite, wouldn't be a flight risk. We're much more likely to stick around than Temple or Umass were.

Can't answer for the university but the focus should be on basketball. A university like SBU will never be able to elevate its football program to a point of national prominence where it attracts hordes of applicants, faculty, and donors as a result. However, it does have a chance of fielding a basketball team that makes it to the Sweet 16 or even higher. Of course for that to happen, it has to first move to a better conference.

I think you're both correct. SBU's location does lend itself to being more of a basketball school, however, I don't take that to mean we should abandon football. Having football, good football does make us more attractive to conferences like the AAC down the road or even higher conferences than that. The game is changing, but for the foreseeable future, football still drives the realignment bus. Fielding a competitive team will be important.

I would still be prepared to expand Lavalle to 20k+ should an invite to a suitable conference come along. We could upgrade basketball today VIA the CAA or A10 if an invite came along without impacting football. That's really something we ought to look at.

If an eastern/mid-Atlantic G5 conference formed, I think we'd be stupid not to upgrade at that point as we'd be at the higher level with greater exposure, playing some of the same CAAFB schools we're up against now. Every public school of our stature save for a couple is FBS, I say we join them if an opportunity came up.

What I don't think makes sense is putting everything in a conference that makes no sense geographically just for the sake of being FBS. If we could do football only in the current CUSA, Sun Belt (not happening but not crazier than us in the Big South), or MAC, while keeping everything in the AE, I think that's something we should seriously consider, but putting basketball and everything else in any of those conferences right now doesn't really make much sense to me. Possibly the MAC, but to be honest, I'd rather play Maine and Binghamton in basketball than Bowling Green and Eastern Michigan.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on January 22, 2019, 12:38:44 pm
Lack of kids on campus on weekend going to be a hard problem to fix. Problem is that Stony Brook is not fully commuter school but also not fully residential school. It's like a Hybrid of two. Being close to NYC, but not too close, is both good and bad. City kids can't commute everyday, with homework and studies need to be done. And that's why residential halls are needed. The bad is that city kids can go home over the weekend. Its not Syracuse that kids can't go home in less than an hour drive. These kids grow up following Giants/Jets.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 22, 2019, 12:41:31 pm
they should just take more upstate kids.  there's the empire grant (?) that allows tuition breaks for those under a certain income (anything above the hudson valley).  makes SB more attractive.  plus there are some better athletes in those other regions. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest369 on January 22, 2019, 01:00:53 pm
As a current freshman, I can confirm that the kids here are absolutely remorseless about being commuters. They don't care a bit about staying for the games and will gladly disappear each weekend to do god-knows-what. Maybe the school should think about making dorming mandatory (I wish)
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on January 22, 2019, 01:04:43 pm
If Umass and Buffalo can't get into AAC, we have no chance. Even JMU and Delaware are ahead of us if AAC ever need an eastern schools. I think AAC would rather go west for BYU, SDSU or Boise, in the unlikely even of departure.

One thing though is that a school does not have to be successful program to upgrade to FBS, i.e. see Coastal Carolina and UNCC. UNCC pretty much started, and went through 2 years of FCS, then upgraded to FBS. They had good attendance from year one. Coastal Carolina went from Big South to FBS!

I think we need to stop thinking like 2010~2012. I agree with the some of you...make basketball priority. Get some NCAA tourney appearances under our belt. Goal should be to replace Vermont as the team to beat in AE. We can be the best mid major team in northeast/mid-atlantic region outside A10. Make ourselves attractive for A10. This is a more realistic goal.

And that doesn't mean drop football. But be smart and realistic about it. We can keep up the good work. Although I was mad at the time, Hofstra blocking us was a blessing in disguise. We landed our football at the best FCS conference at this side of the country. And we don't have to go to Carolinas for other sports. If attendance improve dramatically we can join Buffalo. If it doesn't, BB in A10 and FB in CAA is not bad.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on January 22, 2019, 01:18:13 pm
Start small(er), and let's upgrade basketball first, and grab some success there by getting into a better conference, and doing some damage there (a couple of Tournament appearances).  Win, prove the upgrade concept and get some national notoriety, and our other sports programs (football included) will get more attention, have more upgrade options, and we can springboard off that.  These large-scale, immediate gratification moves rarely work; this needs to be a long-term, calculated plan, IMO, with multiple phases (that is, one sport at a time).

We've come a long way with football (I remember the Club Football days back in the hay fields when many of you were still in diapers), but I think FCS is treating us nicely at this point, and forging ahead to FBS, for all of the reasons that everyone has stated in this thread, may not be the best move in the short-term, IMO.  Let it be part of a long-term plan, if we can get there, one step at a time.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 22, 2019, 01:29:02 pm
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These large-scale, immediate gratification moves rarely work

yep

like happy three point shooting
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 22, 2019, 02:27:25 pm
If Umass and Buffalo can't get into AAC, we have no chance. Even JMU and Delaware are ahead of us if AAC ever need an eastern schools. I think AAC would rather go west for BYU, SDSU or Boise, in the unlikely even of departure.

One thing though is that a school does not have to be successful program to upgrade to FBS, i.e. see Coastal Carolina and UNCC. UNCC pretty much started, and went through 2 years of FCS, then upgraded to FBS. They had good attendance from year one. Coastal Carolina went from Big South to FBS!

I think we need to stop thinking like 2010~2012. I agree with the some of you...make basketball priority. Get some NCAA tourney appearances under our belt. Goal should be to replace Vermont as the team to beat in AE. We can be the best mid major team in northeast/mid-atlantic region outside A10. Make ourselves attractive for A10. This is a more realistic goal.

And that doesn't mean drop football. But be smart and realistic about it. We can keep up the good work. Although I was mad at the time, Hofstra blocking us was a blessing in disguise. We landed our football at the best FCS conference at this side of the country. And we don't have to go to Carolinas for other sports. If attendance improve dramatically we can join Buffalo. If it doesn't, BB in A10 and FB in CAA is not bad.

Those schools wouldn't get in right now because they don't need to expand, but if Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12 in a couple years and there's a mad scramble for schools, it's not unreasonable that multiple spots in the AAC and CUSA could open up. SBU should be prepared for that possibility. I'm still very much pro FBS, just it needs to be with the right schools. Giving up games against Vermont and Albany for Akron and Western Michigan doesn't make sense. If we can get FBS games against Buffalo, Temple, ODU, App St., JMU, Delaware, etc.? Then that definitely is the move to make. 

We can do a lot of damage in basketball and be a great program, but we don't need to give up on our FBS goals to do so. I'm also no longer convinced the A10 is all that great of a fit. They have the history, but that conference has 14 teams, only 3-4 of which are public schools. The conference has also struggled mightily this year potentially only being a one bid conference. Does being in a huge conference full of private schools serve SBU? I'm not so sure. I'm not completely against moving there,but the fit would be quite odd.

What would be interesting is an all-sports move to the CAA with Albany, and potentially Vermont in tow with us. Given that the CAA has a mix of publics and privates, that'd be a nicer fit than the private heavy A10. The CAA with us and UVM in it could definitely get a second tournament bid down the road. Hofstra "blocked" us last time through influence, but their vote alone can't block us if the other schools want us in the CAA. They could tell Hofstra to go pound sand and vote us in anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on January 22, 2019, 05:56:14 pm
The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams. But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change. Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island. Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they will come" applies here. Am I wrong?

Wrong!!! Win Playoff games and the fans will come. The Media will be jumping on top of each other to write articles on the success of this school. Win the FCS Championship game and SB can be another JMU. We just have to win the big games and the fans will follow.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 22, 2019, 10:12:55 pm
The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams. But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change. Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island. Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they will come" applies here. Am I wrong?

Wrong!!! Win Playoff games and the fans will come. The Media will be jumping on top of each other to write articles on the success of this school. Win the FCS Championship game and SB can be another JMU. We just have to win the big games and the fans will follow.

There's also the whole student attendance issue due to the administration making stupid decisions. There's no good reason for the student section to be empty playing JMU and Villanova, when it was packed playing Gardner Webb, Presbyterian, and VMI. Fix that issue and we're probably looking at close to 10k at conference games.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on January 23, 2019, 05:36:48 am
The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams. But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change. Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island. Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they will come" applies here. Am I wrong?

Wrong!!! Win Playoff games and the fans will come. The Media will be jumping on top of each other to write articles on the success of this school. Win the FCS Championship game and SB can be another JMU. We just have to win the big games and the fans will follow.

There's also the whole student attendance issue due to the administration making stupid decisions. There's no good reason for the student section to be empty playing JMU and Villanova, when it was packed playing Gardner Webb, Presbyterian, and VMI. Fix that issue and we're probably looking at close to 10k at conference games.

This school will never have a student fan base, never. It doesn't matter if we are in the FBS, FCS, P5 conference. Stony Brook can, however, fill those empty student seats with people from the local community, and from NYC. We just need to win playoff games, as we should at this juncture.

Another thing SB can do is bring in a prominent, well-known assistant coach or coach from the FBS. Someone with ties to a big school where all football fans are aware of and heard of. Also, bring in a star QB who can light up the field. Fans like entertainment. Coach P old style of play, run up the gut, just doesnt cut it anymore in college football.. We want to see action, big plays from our QB, deep passes down the field for TD's, a QB who can scramble out of the pocket for 30 yards. People also want to see trick plays, BIG plays that WOW's the stadium.

Everything i mentioned comes with a heavy cost. I know that, but I think that $$ will pay huge dividends for this school in the long run. Assuming this is the direction SB wants to go....

Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on January 23, 2019, 07:53:28 am
"Fans like entertainment. Coach P old style of play, run up the gut, just doesnt cut it anymore in college football.. We want to see action, big plays from our QB, deep passes down the field for TD's, a QB who can scramble out of the pocket for 30 yards. People also want to see trick plays, BIG plays that WOW's the stadium."

Agree. Teams need to win to draw fans, but winning with an exciting style of play is what packs them in. Priore was a running back in college and that unduly affects his recruiting and play calling.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Wolffan on January 23, 2019, 10:56:46 am
In some ways we are a victim of our own academic success and stellar reputation.  Long Island and NYC kids going SUNY now see us as the top academic choice. Of course those kids are likely to head home for the weekend...and some of the academic types might not enjoy watching football in any case (This is an admitted oversimplification.)

At the same time there are enough folks in the surrounding area to give us near capacity crowds v good opponents and homecoming. Just have to keep the style exciting and to keep winning.

Nothing like LaValle stadium on a sunny brisk day with the SBU band blaring,  and good football on the field...and a cold beer in the beergarden to boot!  Grab a few neighbors, hop on the train, grab a pint at the Bench and walk on over to the action.

 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on January 23, 2019, 01:19:09 pm
In some ways we are a victim of our own academic success and stellar reputation.  Long Island and NYC kids going SUNY now see us as the top academic choice. Of course those kids are likely to head home for the weekend...and some of the academic types might not enjoy watching football in any case (This is an admitted oversimplification.)

At the same time there are enough folks in the surrounding area to give us near capacity crowds v good opponents and homecoming. Just have to keep the style exciting and to keep winning.

Nothing like LaValle stadium on a sunny brisk day with the SBU band blaring,  and good football on the field...and a cold beer in the beergarden to boot!  Grab a few neighbors, hop on the train, grab a pint at the Bench and walk on over to the action.
Good marketing image
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: sbufan on January 23, 2019, 04:58:13 pm
I believe the more than half of Stony Brook's enrollment dorms on campus, a number I was very surprised by a couple years ago. The big issue, imo, is the local kids going home for the weekend. My hope is that as the academic reputation rises, Stony Brook can attract more out of state and international students, students who will be on campus on the weekends. I think there's a positive feedback loop where if there's more students staying on campus for the weekend, it will encourage the local kids to stay on campus too. More kids on campus on Saturday, the more kids we will see at Saturday football games. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 23, 2019, 04:59:14 pm

This school will never have a student fan base, never. It doesn't matter if we are in the FBS, FCS, P5 conference. Stony Brook can, however, fill those empty student seats with people from the local community, and from NYC. We just need to win playoff games, as we should at this juncture.


I strongly disagree there. I remember those days in the Big South. We had a packed student section in the South endzone. If we had it before, we can get those kids back. Have the demographics of the university changed that much in six years that the students there now don't care to come to football games? I do not believe that at all. I'll admit I'm not exactly sure where we went wrong with getting the students out, but that's definitely something to change. You don't get that home field advantage without the students.

On the topic of community turnout I agree, if we went FBS we'd get even greater support as FCS teams in large pro sports markets tend to be invisible. FBS raises that profile a lot. I believe we can have both though. Community support can be our bread and butter given our location, but there's no reason we can't get the kids out to games too. I see nothing good in giving up.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 23, 2019, 05:01:35 pm
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Have the demographics of the university changed that much in six years that the students there now don't care to come to football games? I do not believe that at all.

no, but what has happened in the last six years:

-bad press for contact sports, CTE, suicides, etc
-more and more and more distractions via handheld devices
-increased streaming allows for remote viewing
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on January 23, 2019, 05:05:40 pm
I believe the more than half of Stony Brook's enrollment dorms on campus, a number I was very surprised by a couple years ago. The big issue, imo, is the local kids going home for the weekend. My hope is that as the academic reputation rises, Stony Brook can attract more out of state and international students, students who will be on campus on the weekends. I think there's a positive feedback loop where if there's more students staying on campus for the weekend, it will encourage the local kids to stay on campus too. More kids on campus on Saturday, the more kids we will see at Saturday football games. Hopefully.

Out of state tuition has risen so much, that IIRC the number of out of state kids as a percentage has dropped. SBU was a bargain as an out of state student when I went there. Not so much now. There's NYS also limiting tuition increases for the in-state kids, so the OOS kids pay the bulk of it. SBU isn't like UC Berkely yet where everybody wants to go here and thus we can soak the out of state kids with more tuition. We're moving in that direction, but it'll take time. Berkeley and UCLA have tons of out of state kids since they're more profitable for the school. CA kids complain all day about not being able to get in. We don't have that issue yet. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Wolffan on January 23, 2019, 05:35:45 pm
I believe the more than half of Stony Brook's enrollment dorms on campus, a number I was very surprised by a couple years ago. The big issue, imo, is the local kids going home for the weekend. My hope is that as the academic reputation rises, Stony Brook can attract more out of state and international students, students who will be on campus on the weekends. I think there's a positive feedback loop where if there's more students staying on campus for the weekend, it will encourage the local kids to stay on campus too. More kids on campus on Saturday, the more kids we will see at Saturday football games. Hopefully.
Some of the brightest kids (with the highest SATs/ACTs)  in the nation are NYC/LI kids. That is why, for example,  so many are at the Ivies. It is also why SBU's rising reputation is attracting so many other  academically-oriented NYC/LI who might otherwise attend elsewhere. Certainly the word is out that SBU is the academic choice for the SUNY-bound and the price makes it a no-brainer even for many of  those NYC/LI kids also considering selective private colleges. A Queens kid from Bronx Science is quite likely to consider SBU - virtually unheard of 15 years ago.
At the same time, out-of-staters (who can qualify academically) are not likely to cough up the high tuition notwithstanding our enhanced academic reputation.   
The downside [in a way] of our rising academic reputation, of course, is that means more and more of our kids are likely to be from NYC/LI...and less and  less may be interested in viewing football.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on July 22, 2020, 12:19:36 pm
Just read this interesting article on ESPN fb homepage

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29424305/imagining-world-where-college-football-relegation-promotion

Being also fan of European, English soccer... promotion and relegation would be a great idea. At least for football...king of money making sports. Keep all other sports programs where they are, conference wise, and only move football teams up and down. Schools like Kansas, Vandy, Illinois, Oregon State bring nothing to the football side of Big 12, SEC, B10, Pac12 etc. would love to see UCFs of the G5 having a crack at the top competition. Trickle down effect would be JMU having an opportunity to compete against CUSA, MAC or AAC. And teams like SBU with potentials...seeing real chance to prove themselves will invest... knowing starting football 100 years late wouldn’t be an obstacle.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 22, 2020, 04:30:14 pm
Just read this interesting article on ESPN fb homepage

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29424305/imagining-world-where-college-football-relegation-promotion

Being also fan of European, English soccer... promotion and relegation would be a great idea. At least for football...king of money making sports. Keep all other sports programs where they are, conference wise, and only move football teams up and down. Schools like Kansas, Vandy, Illinois, Oregon State bring nothing to the football side of Big 12, SEC, B10, Pac12 etc. would love to see UCFs of the G5 having a crack at the top competition. Trickle down effect would be JMU having an opportunity to compete against CUSA, MAC or AAC. And teams like SBU with potentials...seeing real chance to prove themselves will invest... knowing starting football 100 years late wouldn’t be an obstacle.

This has been brought up before, but college athletics along with football has too many logistical issues to have something like this. Even if it was only for football it would be a nightmare. Imagine getting relegated for a year? Your recruiting falls apart. Scheduling is also a nightmare under such a system. We'll sooner get a 16 team playoff in the FBS than something with promotion and relegation. I don't like the idea.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on July 22, 2020, 10:11:01 pm
16 teams playoffs would be amazing especially if  auto bid is given to each conference champions.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 03, 2021, 04:34:04 pm
regarding all the recent conference realignment talk in the football threads- this is a piece, albeit a small piece: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-asun-applies-for-2022-ncaa-tournament-aq-targets-utah-csu-romo-as-affiliates/57221

Breaking: ASUN Applies for 2022 NCAA Tournament AQ, Targets Utah, CSU, RoMo as Affiliates
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on February 05, 2021, 11:45:14 am
Looking at the teams, ASUN is going to be a strong multi-bids FCS football conference.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest369 on February 05, 2021, 02:47:36 pm
That’s not what they want. They want to be FBS. Which... with those teams? C’mon.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 05, 2021, 05:43:16 pm
That’s not what they want. They want to be FBS. Which... with those teams? C’mon.

It does seem a bit far fetched at first, however if it does have legs and is something they're really working on, SBU would be stupid not to at the very least inquire about it and see what's going on. I'm also now hearing rumors (that could be and likely is total BS) that Old Dominion and Charlotte from CUSA are considering taking their football independent and putting everything else into the A10. ODU didn't play football at all last fall even though the rest of CUSA did. If that ever did happen it kinda kills our A10 dream, but suddenly gives us A LOT of FBS independent schools in the eastern US right in the CAA footprint.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on February 06, 2021, 06:29:25 am
That’s not what they want. They want to be FBS. Which... with those teams? C’mon.

It does seem a bit far fetched at first, however if it does have legs and is something they're really working on, SBU would be stupid not to at the very least inquire about it and see what's going on. I'm also now hearing rumors (that could be and likely is total BS) that Old Dominion and Charlotte from CUSA are considering taking their football independent and putting everything else into the A10. ODU didn't play football at all last fall even though the rest of CUSA did. If that ever did happen it kinda kills our A10 dream, but suddenly gives us A LOT of FBS independent schools in the eastern US right in the CAA footprint.

I just don't see SBU making moves anytime soon. Moves cost money. NYS is currently broke and King Cuomo will NOT invest a dime of taxpayer's money into Athletics, in any SUNY School. If the Biden administration decides to float another Trillion Dollars into bailing out sanctuary states that were broke before the pandemic, then maybe, just maybe Cuomo will allow movement in sports throughout NYS. But Cuomo's past history is not conclusive with anything sport related. Stupid, yes but he just doesn't care.

Any conference realignment that will make a university bigger and more competitive in sports is a smart move. If SBU has the opportunity to participate in such a move, then they need to find funds to make it happen. Conference realignment doesn't come around very often, and when it does you must act. FBS for football and a move up in all other sports would expose SBU to the nation. You just cant ignore that.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on April 08, 2021, 11:21:51 pm
Not sure where to add this.. but Hartford is thinking of moving to Div3!!!

https://www.wtnh.com/news/news-8-exclusive/exclusive-could-the-university-of-hartford-downgrade-its-athletic-program/

AE just added NJIT to round to even 10 number. Now will go back to 9 teams. Whats next? CCSU to AE  ??? ::)
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 09, 2021, 07:44:19 am
Not sure where to add this.. but Hartford is thinking of moving to Div3!!!

https://www.wtnh.com/news/news-8-exclusive/exclusive-could-the-university-of-hartford-downgrade-its-athletic-program/

AE just added NJIT to round to even 10 number. Now will go back to 9 teams. Whats next? CCSU to AE  ??? ::)

Wow.  A lot of schools lost a lot of money since Covid reared its ugly head, and I think this will be the first of many.   I'd also expect a lot of schools to start cutting some of their fringe, non-money-making sports.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 09, 2021, 08:29:37 am
methinks that is 100% correct.  best to buckle up.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on April 09, 2021, 06:13:41 pm
Not sure where to add this.. but Hartford is thinking of moving to Div3!!!

https://www.wtnh.com/news/news-8-exclusive/exclusive-could-the-university-of-hartford-downgrade-its-athletic-program/

AE just added NJIT to round to even 10 number. Now will go back to 9 teams. Whats next? CCSU to AE  ??? ::)

Wow.  A lot of schools lost a lot of money since Covid reared its ugly head, and I think this will be the first of many.   I'd also expect a lot of schools to start cutting some of their fringe, non-money-making sports.

Schools dropping down is rare. Sure they're running quite the loss, but at the same time they did just make the NCAA tournament. I wouldn't read too much into this yet. CCSU would be the replacement (or we raid the CAA due to instability of that conference, but that's a whole other discussion). 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on April 10, 2021, 04:21:11 am
Not sure where to add this.. but Hartford is thinking of moving to Div3!!!

https://www.wtnh.com/news/news-8-exclusive/exclusive-could-the-university-of-hartford-downgrade-its-athletic-program/

AE just added NJIT to round to even 10 number. Now will go back to 9 teams. Whats next? CCSU to AE  ??? ::)

Wow.  A lot of schools lost a lot of money since Covid reared its ugly head, and I think this will be the first of many.   I'd also expect a lot of schools to start cutting some of their fringe, non-money-making sports.

Schools dropping down is rare. Sure they're running quite the loss, but at the same time they did just make the NCAA tournament. I wouldn't read too much into this yet. CCSU would be the replacement (or we raid the CAA due to instability of that conference, but that's a whole other discussion).

The AE conference is a joke. SH needs to push as hard as he can to make a jump out of this bottom, rag dweller conference. It really is an embarrassment to the school as a whole. I am quite certain Joe Spinella feels the same way.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 07, 2021, 07:50:30 am
Hartford votes to go to Division III. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/uhart-votes-to-transition-to-division-iii-sports/2482655/
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 07, 2021, 07:54:17 am
https://www.basketballforum.com/threads/ae-votes-to-allow-member-athletes-to-transfer-to-another-ae-school.692541/

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An interesting piece of information that came out of Herrion Holds Court this past Tuesday was that the AE Presidents have allowed players from a current AE school to transfer to another AE school and be eligible right away. Coach Herrion has said that he thinks all ten head coaches should make a gentlemen's agreement that they would not take a transfer from another school but he hasn't discussed it yet with the other nine coaches.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on May 07, 2021, 12:54:29 pm
Hartford votes to go to Division III. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/uhart-votes-to-transition-to-division-iii-sports/2482655/
Wise move. Basketball making it to the NCAA tournament does nothing to boost the stature of the university. Spending the $9 million/year on faculty, scholarships, and facilities will.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on May 10, 2021, 05:03:24 pm
There goes Hartford. Best of luck to the University. Nothing wrong on being conscious of your expenses and making a decision to improve your academic stature - It is a University first and foremost after all.

I think we will see more universities choose this route in the future. It's all part of Division I reaching its natural equilibrium. Only those schools that can spread the costs across a large student body will be able to remain in Division I long-term - unless they make a profit running the programs.

I think large state universities like Stony Brook, Buffalo, UMass, UConn will always be safe. Mid-sized like UAlbany, Binghamton, Maine, UNH, UML, UMBC, NJIT, UVM should always re-evaluate every few years whether it makes sense for them to bear the costs of Division-I. The privates are even in a tougher situation and must do the right thing for their University
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on May 10, 2021, 10:59:27 pm
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2 classification). It would be great if they add another public to make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state university, and 3) in AEC footprint.

Some candidates:

--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no

AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on May 10, 2021, 11:09:59 pm
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2 classification). It would be great if they add another public to make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state university, and 3) in AEC footprint.

Some candidates:

--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no

AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).

No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12 football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions with a championship game to crown the AQ.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on May 10, 2021, 11:18:45 pm
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2 classification). It would be great if they add another public to make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state university, and 3) in AEC footprint.

Some candidates:

--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no

AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).

No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12 football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions with a championship game to crown the AQ.

I agree that currently no CAA team will leave for AE. But I can see it happening if future based on how dominos fall. There's already a tension between northern and southern schools. And if one of JMU and Delaware decide to try their luck in FBS, I have a feeling things will not go smooth. W&M may decide that without any of the VA opponents (GMU, VCU, JMU), CAA is not that enticing.. and may move to SoCon or Patriot. And I am sure CofC, UNCW, Elon etc would want another southern member (UNCG perhaps), which wont sit well with Northern teams. That's why I am against Stony Brook joining CAA all sports. CAA is on a shaky foundation.

As for CCSU, I just dont think current AE presidents see them as peer school. Even if NEC allows to park their football, highly unlikely, I still dont think AEC will extend an invite to CCSU.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on May 11, 2021, 09:41:58 am
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2 classification). It would be great if they add another public to make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state university, and 3) in AEC footprint.

Some candidates:

--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no

AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).

No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12 football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions with a championship game to crown the AQ.

I agree that currently no CAA team will leave for AE. But I can see it happening if future based on how dominos fall. There's already a tension between northern and southern schools. And if one of JMU and Delaware decide to try their luck in FBS, I have a feeling things will not go smooth. W&M may decide that without any of the VA opponents (GMU, VCU, JMU), CAA is not that enticing.. and may move to SoCon or Patriot. And I am sure CofC, UNCW, Elon etc would want another southern member (UNCG perhaps), which wont sit well with Northern teams. That's why I am against Stony Brook joining CAA all sports. CAA is on a shaky foundation.

As for CCSU, I just dont think current AE presidents see them as peer school. Even if NEC allows to park their football, highly unlikely, I still dont think AEC will extend an invite to CCSU.

The CAA in its current format most likely won't exist in five years. JMU desperately wants to leave, as they feel they're too good for the conference in all sports, not just football. Delaware has behind the scenes looked into a possible switch to the A10 but they have not been offered, and only did some recon should an offer come in. And if those two teams go, others might switch to lower conferences, as you mentioned. Don't forget, half of the CAA football teams are not CAA full members. URI and Richmond are A10, Albany, Maine, UNH and SBU are CAA. Only six teams are full-time members. If Delaware left for the A10, that would mean six full-time members of that conference fielded a football team, which would allow the conference to finally get football.

All of this mostly speculation, aside from confirmed reports about JMU and UD wanting out or exploring other options. But the CAA in five years will look very different than it does today.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on May 11, 2021, 10:37:46 am
Why would Stony Brook want to associate itself with lowly schools like CCSU?

Stony Brook is too good and popular of a school to be in the same conference as New Hampshire, Maine, UMass Lowell, NJIT, and (formerly) Hartford, which if I didn't follow the America East, I would have assumed those were all D2/D3 schools. If you told me when I was a student here at Stony Brook back in the early 2010s that in 10 years, we would still be in this conference, I would have laughed.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on May 11, 2021, 10:43:05 am
Why would Stony Brook want to associate itself with lowly schools like CCSU?

Stony Brook is too good and popular of a school to be in the same conference as New Hampshire, Maine, UMass Lowell, NJIT, and (formerly) Hartford, which if I didn't follow the America East, I would have assumed those were all D2/D3 schools. If you told me when I was a student here at Stony Brook back in the early 2010s that in 10 years, we would still be in this conference, I would have laughed.

Stony Brook athletics is not a priority for this school. If it were Chucky Cheese would have gotten the boot a long time ago, and Geno Ford would not be sitting on a 5-year contract after Boals departed. Sports are only here just to appease students to come.

When SH was hired, he has high aspirations in making SBU a premier D1 school. He quickly realized that cant and won't happen with a Tyrant Governor calling the shots with SUNY schools.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on May 12, 2021, 01:05:42 am
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2 classification). It would be great if they add another public to make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state university, and 3) in AEC footprint.

Some candidates:

--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no

AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).

No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12 football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions with a championship game to crown the AQ.

I agree that currently no CAA team will leave for AE. But I can see it happening if future based on how dominos fall. There's already a tension between northern and southern schools. And if one of JMU and Delaware decide to try their luck in FBS, I have a feeling things will not go smooth. W&M may decide that without any of the VA opponents (GMU, VCU, JMU), CAA is not that enticing.. and may move to SoCon or Patriot. And I am sure CofC, UNCW, Elon etc would want another southern member (UNCG perhaps), which wont sit well with Northern teams. That's why I am against Stony Brook joining CAA all sports. CAA is on a shaky foundation.

As for CCSU, I just dont think current AE presidents see them as peer school. Even if NEC allows to park their football, highly unlikely, I still dont think AEC will extend an invite to CCSU.

Everything you're saying is spot on. I think the CAA is in serious trouble once JMU goes FBS (it's only a matter of time in the next 3-4 years once the new playoff format is finalized and realignment starts happening again), the rift between northern and southern, football and non football, private and public schools will become too great. At that time I think we'd be wise to offer Towson and Delaware to join the AE as full members and bring football in-house at that point. They were both former AE members IIRC and geographically they fit. Delaware in particular would be a great add.

I also wouldn't mind getting Northeastern back in the conference. They're a large school and having a school directly in Boston again I think would be nice for the AE. Getting those three would get us back to a solid 12 teams.


Hofstra can go pound sand back to the MAAC or even better D3  ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on May 13, 2021, 10:42:20 am
Why would Stony Brook want to associate itself with lowly schools like CCSU?

Stony Brook is too good and popular of a school to be in the same conference as New Hampshire, Maine, UMass Lowell, NJIT, and (formerly) Hartford, which if I didn't follow the America East, I would have assumed those were all D2/D3 schools. If you told me when I was a student here at Stony Brook back in the early 2010s that in 10 years, we would still be in this conference, I would have laughed.

I don't mind the flagship state schools in New England. Nothing wrong with Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. But when you start going down to UMass Lowell, NJIT, and Hartford it does bother me a little bit as it doesn't feel like a natural fit for Stony Brook

UConn, UMass, and Rutgers would be more natural fit in those states.

But we also need to realize where we come from to understand better why we are here. Stony Brook was founded in 1957 which is very recent relative to other northern universities. It grew very quickly and gained a strong academic reputation in just a few decades. But we only joined Division I in the late 90s. We joined the party late and the pecking order in athletics was already established. We are also a victim of our geographic location. The appetite for college sports in the Northeast is not the same as down south. A school like Central Florida which was founded after Stony Brook was able to climb the college athletics ranks much faster - But Florida is a huge market for college sports. Even a directional school like UCF can draw 40k football crowds in a state where UF/FSU draw 80k crowds

For Stony Brook the road will definitely be a much longer one. Our best bet is for us to continue to support our alma mater and hopefully some day it achieves critical mass. Maybe we win a big game in the NCAAs in the future which catapults us into a better league/draws more fans. For now I say we should continue doing things right - invest in facilities, run a clean program, compete in all sports, strive to be the best in the America East until those days come.



Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 22, 2021, 02:24:13 am
Massive shakeup in the Big 12 over the last few hours. Texas an Oklahoma are on the out. They're talking to the SEC and likely the Pac-12 and Big Ten as well. That league literally just imploded over the course of a few hours.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-powers-texas-oklahoma-inquire-about-joining-sec-in-potentially-massive-realignment-shakeup/

https://twitter.com/jasonwhitely/status/1418041621820579841?s=21


Normally realignment trickles down all the way to the FCS in one form or another. This time though, I don't see it impacting SBU in any meaningful way. Heilbron has failed to make us an an attractive candidate for an FBS conference. We're stuck here. This may get JMU a spot somewhere though, so my prediction about them being gone soon stands.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on July 22, 2021, 05:39:21 am
Massive shakeup in the Big 12 over the last few hours. Texas an Oklahoma are on the out. They're talking to the SEC and likely the Pac-12 and Big Ten as well. That league literally just imploded over the course of a few hours.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-powers-texas-oklahoma-inquire-about-joining-sec-in-potentially-massive-realignment-shakeup/

https://twitter.com/jasonwhitely/status/1418041621820579841?s=21


Normally realignment trickles down all the way to the FCS in one form or another. This time though, I don't see it impacting SBU in any meaningful way. Heilbron has failed to make us an an attractive candidate for an FBS conference. We're stuck here. This may get JMU a spot somewhere though, so my prediction about them being gone soon stands.

The article says the Big12 has to vote on allowing Texas and Oklahoma to depart, and it is not looking likely that they will be granted leave.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 22, 2021, 08:22:40 am
wow, they've already lost colorado, arkansas, nebraska after a long run of stability.  now this?  if it happens, of course...

i could see why the SEC would want texas/ok games against LSU, bama, florida, georgia, auburn.  there's a lot of eyeballs on that game every week.

the B12 though would still be decent in bball i think.

i recall when texas started this whole mess with the longhorn network.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 22, 2021, 10:28:57 am
Massive shakeup in the Big 12 over the last few hours. Texas an Oklahoma are on the out. They're talking to the SEC and likely the Pac-12 and Big Ten as well. That league literally just imploded over the course of a few hours.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-powers-texas-oklahoma-inquire-about-joining-sec-in-potentially-massive-realignment-shakeup/

https://twitter.com/jasonwhitely/status/1418041621820579841?s=21


Normally realignment trickles down all the way to the FCS in one form or another. This time though, I don't see it impacting SBU in any meaningful way. Heilbron has failed to make us an an attractive candidate for an FBS conference. We're stuck here. This may get JMU a spot somewhere though, so my prediction about them being gone soon stands.

The article says the Big12 has to vote on allowing Texas and Oklahoma to depart, and it is not looking likely that they will be granted leave.

That's if they leave before the GOR ends in 2025. If they don't want to give up any money, they can simply wait out the GOR and then move to the SEC/wherever. The Big 12 was always Texas, OU, and then everyone else. If those two leave, the rest of the league is AAC tier at best. I think it's a done deal they move at this point, only question is where. I fully expect the Pac-12 and Big Ten to go all out to get Texas and/or OU as well. SEC would be crazy lucrative, but you have A&M, Missouri, Vanderbilt, and potentially others who may attempt to block the move.

I think a big driver for this is the new laws that let players make money off their name and likeness. The Alabama QB already has a million in endorsement deals. Way more money in that kind of thing if you're in the SEC compared to the Big 12. Money driving realignment as it always has.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 22, 2021, 10:31:43 am
oh that post reminded me- i left out missouri too, and of course when i mentioned arkansas i meant the big8 days, pre-big 12.  that's if memory serves!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on July 22, 2021, 11:48:15 am
I just hope the whole system implodes.

that we start from scratch with a new system of amateurism where coaching salaries are severely capped, where student-athletes are truly student-athlete and not semi-professionals, and where resources are allocated on somewhat fairer basis or returned back to the academic mission of the university. TV revenues should be shared by all members to keep a competitive balance and conferences should be limited to 8 members in regional geographic footprints.

I'm so tired of this current system.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on July 23, 2021, 05:46:58 am
I just hope the whole system implodes.

that we start from scratch with a new system of amateurism where coaching salaries are severely capped, where student-athletes are truly student-athlete and not semi-professionals, and where resources are allocated on somewhat fairer basis or returned back to the academic mission of the university. TV revenues should be shared by all members to keep a competitive balance and conferences should be limited to 8 members in regional geographic footprints.

I'm so tired of this current system.

I have to agree with you about this. I stopped watching pro sports because athletes no longer care about the game but care more about making as much money as possible.I get that. It's a job but most athletes today are taking for granted their god-given gift to be an athlete and the love for the sport over money.

Now athletes can get paid to do play sports in college they will have that same attitude as pro athletes. It is no longer about playing ball, and the love for the sport. It's all about money.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 23, 2021, 08:07:52 am
same, spot on.  its really been getting worse over the past 20 years.  i think the golden age was maybe the 80s when you could flip on national channels and see MJ, montana to rice, gretzky, elway, magic, bird, dan marino, etc. and you had to wait until the next paper came out for scores/stats.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on July 23, 2021, 12:15:07 pm
same, spot on.  its really been getting worse over the past 20 years.  i think the golden age was maybe the 80s when you could flip on national channels and see MJ, montana to rice, gretzky, elway, magic, bird, dan marino, etc. and you had to wait until the next paper came out for scores/stats.

Never a dull day for sports fans back in the 80's. Wish I had been alive for that. The Bad Boy Detroit Pistons, the University of Miami football glory days, Magic versus Bird, the beginning of MJ. Wow.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 23, 2021, 05:44:39 pm
the NBA back then was amazing.  no zone defense, so it was all 1v1 (though, zone is what i love about the college game).  every team had a star worth watching, or a duo. 

wilkins, ewing, jordan/pippen, robinson, barkley, johnson, kemp, bird, malone, malone/stockton, olajuwon, drexler, worthy, miller/smits, isaiah/rodman, etc.  heck throw in derek harper and danny manning for good measure.

i thought a few years back we had a resurfacing of this with exciting players like griffin, durant, but the NBA just got unwatchable for me.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 26, 2021, 12:41:03 pm
Texas and OU officially inform the Big 12 they will be looking to leave the conference:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31889044/texas-longhorns-oklahoma-sooners-tell-big-12-not-renew-grant-media-rights

At first I thought this wouldn't impact SBU athletics, but realignment always has trickle down effects. Any or all of what I outline below could occur from this:

JMU goes FBS
The CAA (all sports conference) splits/disbands
Delaware, Towson, other CAA schools join the AE
The AE takes over the CAA football conference
Stony Brook joins the A10 (backfill for a potential Umass departure)
Stony Brook joins an FBS conference (long shot, but not impossible if Heilbron can deliver on the big talk he's promised for almost a decade).
More outcomes I'm not thinking of

Any of the above could occur. I'm confident in JMU going FBS, but the rest is anyone's guess. I do expect wide reaching trickle down effects from the Big 12 collapsing though. I mentioned this at least 3-4 years ago if not sooner on this board, but here we are. It's happening. I just hope SBU positions itself in the best place possible going forward. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 26, 2021, 12:49:32 pm
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A. 

however, how do you get there logically?  what about the Big12 departures gives JMU the window to move?  Unless you mean to the Big12 perhaps??? 

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on July 26, 2021, 01:19:01 pm
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A. 

however, how do you get there logically?  what about the Big12 departures gives JMU the window to move?  Unless you mean to the Big12 perhaps??? 

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

JMU is looking for an invite to the AAC. That's what they're waiting on. Bourne doesn't want to be an Independent, and he turned down a C-USA offer a few years ago. Now the Dukes have no chance, as it currently stands, to get an AAC offer, but if there were to be a massive shakeup of the BIG 12 post OU and Texas departures, with some AAC team gaining invites to the BIG 12, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for maybe, JMU to receive an offer. Now that's a long shot. And no, SBU will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to pull it off.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on July 26, 2021, 01:28:47 pm
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A. 

however, how do you get there logically?  what about the Big12 departures gives JMU the window to move?  Unless you mean to the Big12 perhaps??? 

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

JMU is looking for an invite to the AAC. That's what they're waiting on. Bourne doesn't want to be an Independent, and he turned down a C-USA offer a few years ago. Now the Dukes have no chance, as it currently stands, to get an AAC offer, but if there were to be a massive shakeup of the BIG 12 post OU and Texas departures, with some AAC team gaining invites to the BIG 12, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for maybe, JMU to receive an offer. Now that's a long shot. And no, SBU will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to pull it off.

"And no, SBU will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to pull it off."

You beat me to AirTurn. SB is regressing when it comes to sports. SH needs to go. I like the man as a person. He is very nice, polite, smart, witty, but he doesn't have what it takes to make SBU a proven, respected athletic school.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 26, 2021, 02:26:19 pm
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A. 

however, how do you get there logically?  what about the Big12 departures gives JMU the window to move?  Unless you mean to the Big12 perhaps??? 

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

JMU is looking for an invite to the AAC. That's what they're waiting on. Bourne doesn't want to be an Independent, and he turned down a C-USA offer a few years ago. Now the Dukes have no chance, as it currently stands, to get an AAC offer, but if there were to be a massive shakeup of the BIG 12 post OU and Texas departures, with some AAC team gaining invites to the BIG 12, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for maybe, JMU to receive an offer. Now that's a long shot. And no, SBU will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to pull it off.

that is what i thought- displacement, thanks.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on July 26, 2021, 03:05:42 pm
In terms of $$$: if only Heilbron didn't alienate the one billionaire donor who regularly gave a lot to the school financially… that alone is a moron move. He could single-handedly find a stadium upgrade. A valuable resource that idiot Heilborn chose to cast aside.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on July 26, 2021, 03:31:45 pm
In terms of $$$: if only Heilbron didn't alienate the one billionaire donor who regularly gave a lot to the school financially… that alone is a moron move. He could single-handedly find a stadium upgrade. A valuable resource that idiot Heilborn chose to cast aside.

Yup!!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 26, 2021, 04:25:37 pm
if you're referring to dubin, of course, that may have cost them a lot more in the other direction.  im not saying i agree with it; it's merely a statement of how things are done today.  in fact i think it's over-correction but that's my value judgment.

if you're not referring to him, sorry!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 26, 2021, 11:04:59 pm

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

Precisely this. These moves at the P5 always have far reaching massive trickle down effects. The gist of it is that Texas and OU leaving the Big 12 cause the Big 12 to raid the AAC for replacement schools, which causes the AAC to raid CUSA/the Sun Belt/JMU for replacements, which causes those leagues to search for replacements, and in all of that shuffling, the idea is that one or two spots open up in the FBS for a few schools. In a dream world SBU would get one of those spots, but that's not happening most likely. I mention the CAA collapsing because JMU leaving could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes Richmond, William and Mary, UNCW, CoC etc. to look elsewhere, which opens the door for the America East to grab a couple schools. The CAA has no cohesion with football and non football, public and private, northern and southern... all kinds of different instiutions with no cohesion there. That makes them easy pickings potentially once JMU is gone. With Hartford dropping to D3 we should try and pull in some replacements.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on July 26, 2021, 11:27:12 pm

or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.

Precisely this. These moves at the P5 always have far reaching massive trickle down effects. The gist of it is that Texas and OU leaving the Big 12 cause the Big 12 to raid the AAC for replacement schools, which causes the AAC to raid CUSA/the Sun Belt/JMU for replacements, which causes those leagues to search for replacements, and in all of that shuffling, the idea is that one or two spots open up in the FBS for a few schools. In a dream world SBU would get one of those spots, but that's not happening most likely. I mention the CAA collapsing because JMU leaving could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and causes Richmond, William and Mary, UNCW, CoC etc. to look elsewhere, which opens the door for the America East to grab a couple schools. The CAA has no cohesion with football and non football, public and private, northern and southern... all kinds of different instiutions with no cohesion there. That makes them easy pickings potentially once JMU is gone. With Hartford dropping to D3 we should try and pull in some replacements.

Idk if he's on here, or maybe you're him, but Jeffrey Bernstein mentioned earlier this evening about a possible CAA-AE merger post-BIG 12 shakeup. It's a far out-there idea but isn't the craziest thing I've heard even today. I have zero clues how the **** that feasibly works, but a merger honestly seems like an interesting thought, at the very least... Maybe all the schools that currently have football programs become one conference and all non-football schools become another, and then they have Northeast and Southeast subdivisions, who knows, but there's something to it, even if it's totally out of left field.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 27, 2021, 08:25:07 am
same.  great conversation, thanks guys.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on July 27, 2021, 09:30:25 am
Honestly guys...

It's not worth it. With all the crap going on right now. Lets just stay in place and play in the FCS until the whole system implodes anyway.

Whats the point on making all this additional investments required to play FBS when the returns are simply NOT there? We don't even have the fanbase to sustain it


The entire FBS is feeling the pinch everytime the P5 (soon to be P4) take more of the cash. Not enough people want to watch non-P5 FBS so all those programs are in the same boat as FCS schools. So why fall for this senseless arms race where only the SEC/B1G/ACC/PAC and coaching staff will make money?

If I were Stony Brook AD I would ensure that my program simply sticks around while minimizing the financial bleeding TODAY so that when the whole system implodes we can be in a position to at least have a football program.

What I think the future holds is a semi-pro football league for the top-40 College Football programs and then everyone else will re-assemble into amateurish conferences. At least I hope that's the outcome. I firmly believe that NIL will be the game-changer now and create more separation between the have and have-nots.

The NCAA already hinted that the current model needs to be decentralized. What we need is for the NCAA/Conferences to seperate football from everything else.

Lets keep calm and support our team. Attend our games if we want to without feeling like we have to make a move cuz everyone else is.



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When the dust settles I hope someday we find ourselves in a football league of

STONY BROOK
BUFFALO
CONNECTICUT
TEMPLE
MASSACHUSETTS
DELAWARE
ALBANY
TOWSON



All those schools are all on the same boat at this point. Massive money losers in a forgotten Northeast region. I hate to admit it. But that's our realistic ceiling. We arrived 100 years late to the party when then cake-cutting was already in progress.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on July 27, 2021, 09:54:41 am
Fellas, all this talk about SB football going FBS this and joining Buffalo, Temple, etc... SB football was just picked to finish in 10th out of 12 spot in the CAA. I think that is actually a little better than what I would have picked.

Unless this university cleans house and starts all over again, this program is finished.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/1420008570611933184
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on July 27, 2021, 04:59:53 pm
Agree with much of the sentiment here. Hoping that SBU will or should ever go FBS is futile. And of it ever did, it will almost certainly drain resources from academics…which is after all the reason for a university in the first place.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 28, 2021, 05:17:57 pm
Fellas, all this talk about SB football going FBS this and joining Buffalo, Temple, etc... SB football was just picked to finish in 10th out of 12 spot in the CAA. I think that is actually a little better than what I would have picked.

Unless this university cleans house and starts all over again, this program is finished.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/1420008570611933184

Pretty sure Maine was picked to finish 9th the year they went to the FCS semis. I put zero stock in these polls.   
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 28, 2021, 05:57:23 pm
it's a good point- we talk about FBS, because it's fun, but it costs.  and right now, shouldnt we be worried about cuts???

never mind winning, apathetic fans, attendance, style of play... $$$ is the issue.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on July 28, 2021, 09:56:13 pm
Fellas, all this talk about SB football going FBS this and joining Buffalo, Temple, etc... SB football was just picked to finish in 10th out of 12 spot in the CAA. I think that is actually a little better than what I would have picked.

Unless this university cleans house and starts all over again, this program is finished.

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/1420008570611933184

Pretty sure Maine was picked to finish 9th the year they went to the FCS semis. I put zero stock in these polls.

Albany was picked 11th in 2019 and ended up not only making the playoffs but winning their first-round game. Elon was picked to finish dead last this year, and every FCS reporter I've spoken to think's the Phoenix will finish in the top half of the conference, and are being slept on. William & Mary was a very common choice (by the over 20 FCS reporters I've spoken to) to finish in last, tied with SBU.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 29, 2021, 12:00:09 am
Latest rumors have it that ESPN is conspiring with The American to poach some of the remaining Big 12 schools so the conference can disband and they can get out of having to pay them the media rights. It would also get Texas and Oklahoma out of having to pay the exit fees to the remaining members. If you all remember how ESPN killed the Big East a decade ago, they're doing it again here. This is about to get crazy. Expect court cases and a lot of mudslinging.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-commissioner-alleges-espn-conspired-with-sec-american-to-lure-teams-from-conference/
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 25, 2021, 09:38:39 am
another piece of the puzzle: https://bigten.org/news/2021/8/24/general-acc-big-ten-and-pac-12-announce-historic-alliance.aspx

short version- my hot take is that this will even further push out the other/smaller conferences to do something, and to do it quickly.  because the line between the haves and the havenots just got brighter.  thoughts?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 25, 2021, 10:00:11 am
another piece of the puzzle: https://bigten.org/news/2021/8/24/general-acc-big-ten-and-pac-12-announce-historic-alliance.aspx

short version- my hot take is that this will even further push out the other/smaller conferences to do something, and to do it quickly.  because the line between the haves and the havenots just got brighter.  thoughts?

Like what??? Merge the CAA with the BigSouth, Ohio Valley, etc..??? There is essentially no reason for that to happen because the big TV money is not interested in these smaller conferences.

What I do see happening is. less FBS teams playing FCS school because these Power5 teams can now all play each other, and not reach out to FCS school for scheduling..That is a negative for schools that reliy on that money, like SBU and many other struggling schools.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 25, 2021, 10:55:42 am
no, but my point was more that the smaller conferences are in an even bigger bind, and must act, so that may cause some displacement, while some try to move up and get their piece.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on September 10, 2021, 11:58:17 am
The Big 12 is officially expanding with Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, and UCF.

https://big12sports.com/news/2021/9/10/conference-big-12-extends-membership-invitations.aspx

This means other G5 leagues like the AAC and Sun Belt will be making some moves, which means CUSA will make some moves as well, which in all likelihood will open the door for a few FCS moveups. I fully expect JMU to be FBS and out of the CAA by 2025. Their president is a goddamn idiot if they're still in the CAA at that point.

Can SBU move up from this? Highly unlikely unless a conference takes a gamble on our market and academics (which seem to matter less now). We would have had a real chance had all of this happened five years ago, but now with our current leadership I don't see us going anywhere. McGinniss doesn't seem to be much of a sports person despite coming from Texas, and the athletic leadership has clearly proven themselves to be inept. In any case, keep an eye on the situation and hope this opens a spot for SBU to improve their conference affiliation somewhere. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on September 10, 2021, 04:13:30 pm
The Big 12 is officially expanding with Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, and UCF.

https://big12sports.com/news/2021/9/10/conference-big-12-extends-membership-invitations.aspx

This means other G5 leagues like the AAC and Sun Belt will be making some moves, which means CUSA will make some moves as well, which in all likelihood will open the door for a few FCS moveups. I fully expect JMU to be FBS and out of the CAA by 2025. Their president is a goddamn idiot if they're still in the CAA at that point.

Can SBU move up from this? Highly unlikely unless a conference takes a gamble on our market and academics (which seem to matter less now). We would have had a real chance had all of this happened five years ago, but now with our current leadership I don't see us going anywhere. McGinniss doesn't seem to be much of a sports person despite coming from Texas, and the athletic leadership has clearly proven themselves to be inept. In any case, keep an eye on the situation and hope this opens a spot for SBU to improve their conference affiliation somewhere.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect. Do you really think SBU should move up ahead of Delaware, UNH, Maine, Rhode Island, UA etc??? Hell no. SBU university deserves to stay at the bottom of the cellar, dungen. where they belong. Boot Coach P. and SH, then we talk..
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on September 10, 2021, 04:35:43 pm
The Big 12 is officially expanding with Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, and UCF.

https://big12sports.com/news/2021/9/10/conference-big-12-extends-membership-invitations.aspx

This means other G5 leagues like the AAC and Sun Belt will be making some moves, which means CUSA will make some moves as well, which in all likelihood will open the door for a few FCS moveups. I fully expect JMU to be FBS and out of the CAA by 2025. Their president is a goddamn idiot if they're still in the CAA at that point.

Can SBU move up from this? Highly unlikely unless a conference takes a gamble on our market and academics (which seem to matter less now). We would have had a real chance had all of this happened five years ago, but now with our current leadership I don't see us going anywhere. McGinniss doesn't seem to be much of a sports person despite coming from Texas, and the athletic leadership has clearly proven themselves to be inept. In any case, keep an eye on the situation and hope this opens a spot for SBU to improve their conference affiliation somewhere.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect. Do you really think SBU should move up ahead of Delaware, UNH, Maine, Rhode Island, UA etc??? Hell no. SBU university deserves to stay at the bottom of the cellar, dungen. where they belong. Boot Coach P. and SH, then we talk..

We're definitely better than Albany, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, etc. solely based on media market. Delaware has had the on-field success to justify it but I'm surprised they didn't move up after the Flacco era.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 10, 2021, 06:07:40 pm
or even before the flacco era.  they won a title if i remember, maybe 20 years ago?

if im a conference looking for members, im looking at academics, endowment, seating, attendance, fan support, location, etc.  SB simply doesnt have the atmosphere to support a loyal fanbase (or the reverse?) and i think this turns away buyers.  you get that with other CAA schools.  my opinion. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on September 10, 2021, 08:28:16 pm
The Big 12 is officially expanding with Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, and UCF.

https://big12sports.com/news/2021/9/10/conference-big-12-extends-membership-invitations.aspx

This means other G5 leagues like the AAC and Sun Belt will be making some moves, which means CUSA will make some moves as well, which in all likelihood will open the door for a few FCS moveups. I fully expect JMU to be FBS and out of the CAA by 2025. Their president is a goddamn idiot if they're still in the CAA at that point.

Can SBU move up from this? Highly unlikely unless a conference takes a gamble on our market and academics (which seem to matter less now). We would have had a real chance had all of this happened five years ago, but now with our current leadership I don't see us going anywhere. McGinniss doesn't seem to be much of a sports person despite coming from Texas, and the athletic leadership has clearly proven themselves to be inept. In any case, keep an eye on the situation and hope this opens a spot for SBU to improve their conference affiliation somewhere.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect. Do you really think SBU should move up ahead of Delaware, UNH, Maine, Rhode Island, UA etc??? Hell no. SBU university deserves to stay at the bottom of the cellar, dungen. where they belong. Boot Coach P. and SH, then we talk..

We're definitely better than Albany, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, etc. solely based on media market. Delaware has had the on-field success to justify it but I'm surprised they didn't move up after the Flacco era.

Rhode Island Basketball catapults them ahead of all CAA teams aside from JMU and Delaware when other conferences come looking. They're already in the A10, constantly field good Basketball teams and they have the money to upgrade facilities.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 18, 2021, 11:50:42 pm
Our Athletic Department seems too inept right now to do anything about this, but it is expected that The American will expand with six schools from Conference USA

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-the-aac-close-to-massive-6-school-expansion-to-reshape-conference-014015069.html

On the heels of this expansion, it would be expected that the Sun Belt would also pursue the additions of Marshall and Southern Miss, as well as potentially James Madison and Old Dominion. In any case CUSA could lose between eight and 10 of its schools. In such a scenario the conference would certainly look to backfill with schools and that would almost certainly open up a spot for SBU if we were wiling to make the upgrade to FBS and join the league.

Personally, playing basketball with the likes of FIU, Middle Tennessee, and UTEP among God knows who else doesn't appeal to me very much. HOWEVER, should a that conference get desperate enough and seek football only additions, I think it would be wise to look at making the move if it ever came to that. Granted all of this is extremely unlikely as I doubt the CUSA leftovers would have the need/desire to bring us on, nor would SH have it in him to make such a bold move, but the option is on the table.

In any case, JMU is certainly out of the CAA after all is said and done here. Does that destabilize the CAA to allow the AE to pick off a couple schools for the All-sports conference? Remains to be seen. Hartford dropping down to D3 will open up at least one spot in the league.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 19, 2021, 01:58:24 am
things are getting interesting. a lot shuffling in the mid and low-tier leagues coming soon.

After this wave of realignment... there is no way the American will have any hope of Power6 talks. Those are some really bad programs its adding to its membership. I'm glad UConn got out when it did and landed in the Big East/FB Indie.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on October 19, 2021, 05:19:27 am
Let's see if SH and company have what it takes to get SB out of the America East, and into a more prominent conference for sports. As far as our football team. They should stay exactly where they are. In the CAA. I don't see any FBS conference looking to reach out to SH about going FBS anyways. There is hope for Lax and some other AE teams to move up.

I hope SH doesn't $uck this once-in-a-lifetime conference realignment. But he will!!!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 19, 2021, 12:05:35 pm
Let's see if SH and company have what it takes to get SB out of the America East, and into a more prominent conference for sports. As far as our football team. They should stay exactly where they are. In the CAA. I don't see any FBS conference looking to reach out to SH about going FBS anyways. There is hope for Lax and some other AE teams to move up.

I hope SH doesn't $uck this once-in-a-lifetime conference realignment. But he will!!!

I think it's more likely the AE poached from the leftovers in the CAA after JMU leaves. You could go to 11 with Delaware and Towson for instance. The league would also likely want a presence in Boston and go after Northeastern if they'd make the move.

Hoftstra can go pound sand and move to the MAAC or go D3 for all I care. I don't really see this allowing SBU to move up on the basketball side though. Even if the A10 loses St. Louis to the Big East they still have 13 teams and I don't see a large enough A10 raid anywhere that would open the door for SBU moving over. The AE while not great is pretty stable right now as it's all pretty well regarded public schools that are geographically sound. On paper this conference should be better than it is, but we've got the dregs who bring it down athletically.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on October 19, 2021, 12:17:16 pm
Given the tepid economic climate, the toll that Covid inflicted on NCAA sports, and the silence/indifference from McGinnis on the future of SBU Sports, I can't see Stony Brook going anywhere in the next 3-5 years.   As a matter of fact, I can see them struggling to maintain the collective footprint that they have with all of their collegiate sports programs.

It costs a lot of money to move to another conference.  The re-branding effort alone costs big $.   Hence, we're not going anywhere in the near-term, in my opinion.

And if we move in the future, it's probably not worth the expenditure unless we moved up the chain considerably, like to the A-10.  Just my opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 19, 2021, 12:45:31 pm
I don’t see us moving anywhere unfortunately. Personally would love to move to A10, but they probably would like to shrink rather than expand. And even if they do add anyone, we won’t be top of the candidates.

Looking at the current realignment, AAC just got a lot worse. They could have just added two instead of six. UTEP location is crazy outlier in CUSA. CUSA still has better leftover institutions than Sunbelt though imo.

It seems currently Stony Brook is happy with the status quo... I see no ambition in the coaching hiring and renewing pattern. If that’s the case AE is the best place. CAA is a sinking ship.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 19, 2021, 01:26:41 pm
i think you guys have it right.  if you read any of the recent budget reports / state of the U, money is tight.  and SB has never really, deeply cared about athletics enough to make this jump during this time.

but, the conversation is fun, so have at it!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 19, 2021, 02:58:06 pm
There is nothing to be happy with at the status quo right now. Nothing at all. FCS football and one NCAA Tournament appearance ever. That's disgusting.

There's no reason to be proud of the America East either. Maine, New Hampshire, UMass Lowell, Albany, Hartford and UMBC are not good academic schools to be lumped in with. I want to believe in the new president, but her silence is deafening. I really don't want to call for her ouster just a year into her tenure, but time is running out for me to root for her before we need to focus getting rid of her too. I will say, though, that the search committee to find the new president had no prominent athletic members on it, which concerns me a ton. They put the Binghamton president on the search committee for Stony Brook's president instead of an athletic representative. That disgusts me, and I want to know how the F that was even approved in the first place!

Again, there are ZERO reasons to be content with the way things are right now. Zero. Anyone who is happy needs to be shown the door ASAP, because they are clearly unintelligent and unfit for their job.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 19, 2021, 07:52:33 pm
you guys wanna move up?

Gonna have to have people showing up to games. boycotting and not donating wont help us get there any sooner.

So... back up your U and commit to helping it get there.

No one is gonna take SBU to an FBS conference when we average 6k fans at best on saturdays. JMU can do it, so did Liberty and Coastal Carolina... because their fans are receptive to winning. When they have good seasons fans quickly respond to it and flood the gates. meanwhile even when we made the playoffs multiple years the fans didn't exactly flood the gates. The college football market just sucks here in the Northeast. Its NOT easy.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on October 19, 2021, 08:25:59 pm
you guys wanna move up?

Gonna have to have people showing up to games. boycotting and not donating wont help us get there any sooner.

So... back up your U and commit to helping it get there.

No one is gonna take SBU to an FBS conference when we average 6k fans at best on saturdays. JMU can do it, so did Liberty and Coastal Carolina... because their fans are receptive to winning. When they have good seasons fans quickly respond to it and flood the gates. meanwhile even when we made the playoffs multiple years the fans didn't exactly flood the gates. The college football market just sucks here in the Northeast. Its NOT easy.

That 6K fan attendance is bullshit. We've discussed it time and again. Without having attended a single game this year, but seeing tons of pictures and having friends and colleagues who went this year, I'd estimate SBU has averaged maybe 3K a game. Some games clearly have been more, but one has certainly been much less.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 19, 2021, 10:06:07 pm
you guys wanna move up?

Gonna have to have people showing up to games. boycotting and not donating wont help us get there any sooner.

So... back up your U and commit to helping it get there.

No one is gonna take SBU to an FBS conference when we average 6k fans at best on saturdays. JMU can do it, so did Liberty and Coastal Carolina... because their fans are receptive to winning. When they have good seasons fans quickly respond to it and flood the gates. meanwhile even when we made the playoffs multiple years the fans didn't exactly flood the gates. The college football market just sucks here in the Northeast. Its NOT easy.

That 6K fan attendance is bullshit. We've discussed it time and again. Without having attended a single game this year, but seeing tons of pictures and having friends and colleagues who went this year, I'd estimate SBU has averaged maybe 3K a game. Some games clearly have been more, but one has certainly been much less.

Exactly. The point is... we don't have the fans to back a move to a higher conference. Even if we have the money, the U backing, everything... you can't buy fans! We need fans, atleast 12k of them to be of interest to any FBS conference. Otherwise we are screwed
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 19, 2021, 10:12:47 pm
http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/2012-2020-future-of-stony-brook-football/msg13734/?topicseen#msg13734


Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 19, 2021, 10:19:47 pm
It’s not our job as alumni to show up to games. It’s the students! When I was in college, so many other students would tell me, “Aren’t we D3?” Which speaks to a lack of understanding of us and our opponents created by the treatment of FCS and America East scheduling. To the community, FCS might as well be D3, because it’s not the FBS games in mega stadiums that people associate with true Division I.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 19, 2021, 10:26:31 pm
http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/will-the-villanova-game-sell-out-the-stadium/msg23231/#msg23231
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 19, 2021, 11:07:27 pm
It’s not our job as alumni to show up to games. It’s the students! When I was in college, so many other students would tell me, “Aren’t we D3?” Which speaks to a lack of understanding of us and our opponents created by the treatment of FCS and America East scheduling. To the community, FCS might as well be D3, because it’s not the FBS games in mega stadiums that people associate with true Division I.

So do you think a big school like Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State, Texas fills their 100k+ stadium with students? Lets be serious here. College sports are a business and for you to succeed you need the alumni and surrounding community to buy in. Current students are somewhat important only to the extent that you want to (1) draw them in to build a following/relationship/attachment with the teams prior to their graduation and (2) create a somewhat fun atmosphere for everyone else. but students don't make money and often get in for free or at discounted rate. the bulk of the money and butts on the seats will primarily be from alumni (over 200k) and surrounding community (1.5M Suffolk County). If those two community don't buy in forget about it.

There is no way you can justify Stony Brook getting called by a more prestigious conference right now as things stand (even if we become a winning program again). It doesn't matter if we have superb academics either. Long Island simply hasn't bought into college football. There is a reason why Hofstra, St. Johns, and other schools across the region cut their program. It doesn't draw. it doesn't mean we can't change that... but it will be very difficult.




So... stop dreaming big everyone and lets realize where we are at TODAY. We are an FCS program in the second best FCS conference. Enjoy it for what it is and back it if you will. But to expect us to get a free pass to FBS because we are "AAU Stony Brook and we belong" is absurd.

Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 19, 2021, 11:19:28 pm
i think youre both right, actually.  there are times i think we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.  bingo doesnt.  vermont too.  UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.

let's be honest now.  in many ways, these are our peers.  may as well throw in providence and drexel.

how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and others afford it i really dont know.  donors???

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 19, 2021, 11:47:00 pm
The fact that we even have a football team makes us a more legitimate enterprise than those schools. Again, if anyone in admin is content with Stony Brook being mentioned in the same breath as those schools, they are a failure and need to be removed. Because that is 100% not okay.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 19, 2021, 11:53:35 pm
i think youre both right, actually.  there are times i think we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.  bingo doesnt.  vermont too.  UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.

let's be honest now.  in many ways, these are our peers.  may as well throw in providence and drexel.

how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and others afford it i really dont know.  donors???

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468

THIS!

People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program, even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every student in the university to subsidize the athletics department. Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even have a football program in this environment should tell us there is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports by the administration.

Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized dome back in the day.

I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is an after thought for the average person.

Did anyone look into the football history of the University of Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn, UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in just 40 years
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 20, 2021, 01:09:43 am
Rutgers is $265 million in debt, which only got uncovered because someone discovered that they had been fraudulently reporting their loans as “revenue” the entire time. But at the end of the day, they are Rutgers and will escape without consequence because the state of New Jersey obviously will not let Rutgers go under.

While I don’t think SBU can rack up $265M, I do also think that we shouldn’t worry about debt because New York similarly will not let us shut down when we mean so much to the state.

https://amp.northjersey.com/amp/8047865002
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on October 20, 2021, 05:57:14 am
you guys wanna move up?

Gonna have to have people showing up to games. boycotting and not donating wont help us get there any sooner.

So... back up your U and commit to helping it get there.

No one is gonna take SBU to an FBS conference when we average 6k fans at best on saturdays. JMU can do it, so did Liberty and Coastal Carolina... because their fans are receptive to winning. When they have good seasons fans quickly respond to it and flood the gates. meanwhile even when we made the playoffs multiple years the fans didn't exactly flood the gates. The college football market just sucks here in the Northeast. Its NOT easy.

That 6K fan attendance is bullshit. We've discussed it time and again. Without having attended a single game this year, but seeing tons of pictures and having friends and colleagues who went this year, I'd estimate SBU has averaged maybe 3K a game. Some games clearly have been more, but one has certainly been much less.

Exactly. The point is... we don't have the fans to back a move to a higher conference. Even if we have the money, the U backing, everything... you can't buy fans! We need fans, atleast 12k of them to be of interest to any FBS conference. Otherwise we are screwed

Replace Chucky Cheese with a new HC. Start winning games and fans will show up.

I remember filling LaValle stadium to that max and then some when SB made it to the NCAA playoffs. That could happen again, but not with this current AD and football staff.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 20, 2021, 09:03:53 am
i think youre both right, actually.  there are times i think we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.  bingo doesnt.  vermont too.  UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.

let's be honest now.  in many ways, these are our peers.  may as well throw in providence and drexel.

how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and others afford it i really dont know.  donors???

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468

THIS!

People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program, even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every student in the university to subsidize the athletics department. Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even have a football program in this environment should tell us there is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports by the administration.

Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized dome back in the day.

I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is an after thought for the average person.

Did anyone look into the football history of the University of Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn, UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in just 40 years

and, actually, i wouldnt even call umass, uconn, buffalo our peers in the athletics sense.  maybe, i dunno.

of course, i agree with the rest.  we should use certain schools as a model, whether its App State, JMU, USF, EWU, Liberty, CCU, NDSt, etc. 

or, we could ask the question- if we sink all these resources into this, why would we NOT end up like buffalo?  umass?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 20, 2021, 09:59:52 am
I’m more of a bball fan than football, so lacking a lot of football/fbs knowledge. For those who want FbS football... we have seen Liberty going independent... Can’t we just go FBS independent? Then We don’t need an invite, right? Keep all sports in AE until/when/if we get better to get an A10 invite. But with UMASS and UCONN having independent fbs football, we will have two peer institutions in the northeast to schedule yearly. Army and Liberty are also two more close distance independents. I think we can definitely compete with them four. And fill out the rest of the schedule with cupcakes and buy games.

Regarding attendance, it’s a northeast issue. UMass and UConn have the same issue. May be winning will change the culture a little bit. But I won’t expect 20k+ in LI even with a winning program. But we can be in the neighborhood of 15k if we have a good entertaining winning team. That would be good enough for fbs.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 20, 2021, 10:57:22 am
i think youre both right, actually.  there are times i think we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.  bingo doesnt.  vermont too.  UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.

let's be honest now.  in many ways, these are our peers.  may as well throw in providence and drexel.

how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and others afford it i really dont know.  donors???

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468

THIS!

People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program, even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every student in the university to subsidize the athletics department. Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even have a football program in this environment should tell us there is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports by the administration.

Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized dome back in the day.

I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is an after thought for the average person.

Did anyone look into the football history of the University of Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn, UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in just 40 years

I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of the top research universities in the world. You're here talking about how we should be lucky to have football when the overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football, but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every self respecting university of our size and stature should have a football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a damn should have a football program.  The only Public AAU schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.

The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 20, 2021, 11:00:07 am
I’m more of a bball fan than football, so lacking a lot of football/fbs knowledge. For those who want FbS football... we have seen Liberty going independent... Can’t we just go FBS independent? Then We don’t need an invite, right? Keep all sports in AE until/when/if we get better to get an A10 invite. But with UMASS and UCONN having independent fbs football, we will have two peer institutions in the northeast to schedule yearly. Army and Liberty are also two more close distance independents. I think we can definitely compete with them four. And fill out the rest of the schedule with cupcakes and buy games.

Regarding attendance, it’s a northeast issue. UMass and UConn have the same issue. May be winning will change the culture a little bit. But I won’t expect 20k+ in LI even with a winning program. But we can be in the neighborhood of 15k if we have a good entertaining winning team. That would be good enough for fbs.

With Temple being left on an island in the AAC with the new additions, and UConn, Umass, Liberty, and Army all being independents, there's been rumblings of a desire to make a northeastern focused FBS conference at the G5 level.  I don't know how much traction if any it has, but that would be the dream move to make. Probably a whole lot of nothing at the moment, but it would be wise to keep an eye on the situation. I believe such a conference would need members in the Carolinas to be viable for recruiting, but it has potential.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 20, 2021, 11:28:50 am
i think youre both right, actually.  there are times i think we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.  bingo doesnt.  vermont too.  UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.

let's be honest now.  in many ways, these are our peers.  may as well throw in providence and drexel.

how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and others afford it i really dont know.  donors???

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468

THIS!

People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program, even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every student in the university to subsidize the athletics department. Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even have a football program in this environment should tell us there is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports by the administration.

Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized dome back in the day.

I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is an after thought for the average person.

Did anyone look into the football history of the University of Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn, UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in just 40 years

I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of the top research universities in the world. You're here talking about how we should be lucky to have football when the overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football, but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every self respecting university of our size and stature should have a football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a damn should have a football program.  The only Public AAU schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.

The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.

AAU means nothing when you are in the Northeast and got late to the party (joined Division I in 1999 when the country was already taken by the power football schools). AAU is for research, has no bearing on the size or strength of your athletic department.

Go ask Boston U, UChicago, CalTech, the Ivies, John Hopkins, and the bunch of other AAU schools that have no top-flight football programs.

Fans/money/size determine top college football program. not AAU status
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 20, 2021, 12:23:11 pm
i think youre both right, actually.  there are times i think we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.  bingo doesnt.  vermont too.  UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.

let's be honest now.  in many ways, these are our peers.  may as well throw in providence and drexel.

how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and others afford it i really dont know.  donors???

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468

THIS!

People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program, even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every student in the university to subsidize the athletics department. Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even have a football program in this environment should tell us there is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports by the administration.

Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized dome back in the day.

I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is an after thought for the average person.

Did anyone look into the football history of the University of Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn, UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in just 40 years

I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of the top research universities in the world. You're here talking about how we should be lucky to have football when the overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football, but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every self respecting university of our size and stature should have a football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a damn should have a football program.  The only Public AAU schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.

The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.


research-wise, sure.  every other aspect?  we dont have it.  maybe size.

we dont have the campus, the atmosphere, the fan support, the endowment, the enthusiasm, the recruits, the tuition support, etc.

AAU is great but id be surprised if 1/10 people have heard of it.

the university is in deeper fiscal trouble than i think people know.  not dire (yet), but deeper than perceived. 

ivies have history, money, donors, big tuition, student support.  we have none.  the comparison doesnt work, i think at least.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on October 20, 2021, 02:25:05 pm
i think youre both right, actually.  there are times i think we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.  bingo doesnt.  vermont too.  UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.

let's be honest now.  in many ways, these are our peers.  may as well throw in providence and drexel.

how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and others afford it i really dont know.  donors???

http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468

THIS!

People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program, even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every student in the university to subsidize the athletics department. Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even have a football program in this environment should tell us there is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports by the administration.

Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized dome back in the day.

I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is an after thought for the average person.

Did anyone look into the football history of the University of Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn, UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in just 40 years

I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of the top research universities in the world. You're here talking about how we should be lucky to have football when the overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football, but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every self respecting university of our size and stature should have a football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a damn should have a football program.  The only Public AAU schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.

The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.
That's not correct. There are five other AAU publics that don't have FBS programs.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 20, 2021, 02:47:13 pm
How bad of a failure is Heilbron? Charlotte started football in 2013 and 8 years later, are in the AAC. UTSA started in 2011 and is now in the AAC. Old Dominion started in 2009 and is in CUSA. It's possible to hastily ascend your program to FBS, but this man doesn't know jack about it.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 20, 2021, 03:23:57 pm
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1450899289450950657

This is moving very fast. CUSA done?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 20, 2021, 05:22:45 pm
Louisiana Tech
UTEP
Old Dominion
FIU
Middle Tennessee St
Western Kentucky

That is what's left of CUSA. If they wanted to get back to 12, getting Liberty, JMU, UMass UConn, Delaware and us would make me a decently happy man. But I'm sure Sh*thead Heilbron has tanked our stock enough for other choices to be in play.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 20, 2021, 05:36:43 pm
can someone ballpark what this figure looks like-

60+ athletes
PT staff
video
a dozen coaches
equipment managers
others (AD, stats, etc.)

multiplied by:

airfare
coach buses (at least 4 ways)
hotels
meals
NCAA per diems

times maybe 6 outings a year.

and im sure im missing a few!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 20, 2021, 05:51:28 pm
Louisiana Tech
UTEP
Old Dominion
FIU
Middle Tennessee St
Western Kentucky

That is what's left of CUSA. If they wanted to get back to 12, getting Liberty, JMU, UMass UConn, Delaware and us would make me a decently happy man. But I'm sure Sh*thead Heilbron has tanked our stock enough for other choices to be in play.

This is our only chance and only comes to fruition if the Sun Belt decides to not add JMU and ODU. If they simply go to 12 with Marshall and Southern Miss, then that opens the door for the additions you're describing. You could do a clean north/south split for divisions. I'd be a-ok with those schools too as we'd get a southern recruiting pipeline and would have plenty of nearby teams to play. Only thing I'd really hate about it is UTEP. They're a massive outlier and nobody really wants them.

Above all else, I just don't think Heilbron could navigate our move up to FBS. He's been talking about it since he's got here though and here it is. We may not make the move, but if at the bare minimum he isn't at least talking to the commissioner of CUSA and talking to some of the other schools involved with this then he's failing at his job and should go.   
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 20, 2021, 06:01:00 pm
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1450899289450950657

This is moving very fast. CUSA done?

The conference won't die. It's in bad shape yes, but it won't die. Even if UTEP, and LA Tech are all that's left, they can invite a bunch of FCS schools and be fine. They still have an NCAA tournament bid, FBS charter, and are a party to the CFP contract. Only if every school currently still in CUSA finds a new home does it collapse which is unlikely (La Tech and UTEP will have a hard time, maybe FIU as well).   
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on October 21, 2021, 05:37:07 am
I’m more of a bball fan than football, so lacking a lot of football/fbs knowledge. For those who want FbS football... we have seen Liberty going independent... Can’t we just go FBS independent? Then We don’t need an invite, right? Keep all sports in AE until/when/if we get better to get an A10 invite. But with UMASS and UCONN having independent fbs football, we will have two peer institutions in the northeast to schedule yearly. Army and Liberty are also two more close distance independents. I think we can definitely compete with them four. And fill out the rest of the schedule with cupcakes and buy games.

Regarding attendance, it’s a northeast issue. UMass and UConn have the same issue. May be winning will change the culture a little bit. But I won’t expect 20k+ in LI even with a winning program. But we can be in the neighborhood of 15k if we have a good entertaining winning team. That would be good enough for fbs.

I agree IBO. SBU could go independent if they meet all the FBS requirements first. Not that hard to upgrade the Stadium to 15k or 20k seats. But, If SBO doesn't fill at least 15k seats for each home game they will be on the hook to pay the NCAA the difference. I'm pretty certain that is how it goes. As far as averaging 15k seats per game. I think it is very plausible.

I cant see any FBS conference looking to offer SBU an invite, so going independent makes the most sense.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on October 21, 2021, 06:16:18 am
Louisiana Tech
UTEP
Old Dominion
FIU
Middle Tennessee St
Western Kentucky

That is what's left of CUSA. If they wanted to get back to 12, getting Liberty, JMU, UMass UConn, Delaware and us would make me a decently happy man. But I'm sure Sh*thead Heilbron has tanked our stock enough for other choices to be in play.

This is our only chance and only comes to fruition if the Sun Belt decides to not add JMU and ODU. If they simply go to 12 with Marshall and Southern Miss, then that opens the door for the additions you're describing. You could do a clean north/south split for divisions. I'd be a-ok with those schools too as we'd get a southern recruiting pipeline and would have plenty of nearby teams to play. Only thing I'd really hate about it is UTEP. They're a massive outlier and nobody really wants them.

Above all else, I just don't think Heilbron could navigate our move up to FBS. He's been talking about it since he's got here though and here it is. We may not make the move, but if at the bare minimum he isn't at least talking to the commissioner of CUSA and talking to some of the other schools involved with this then he's failing at his job and should go.

SH aspirations were to take SBU football to FBS. He said it the very first day he got hired and told me personally. This is the time to make the move, ready or not. Opportunities like this knock every decade or so. The time for SH to $hit or get off the pot is NOW. I'd place my money on him not doing anything, though..
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 21, 2021, 11:42:00 am
Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA. It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 21, 2021, 01:06:25 pm
How bad of a failure is Heilbron? Charlotte started football in 2013 and 8 years later, are in the AAC. UTSA started in 2011 and is now in the AAC. Old Dominion started in 2009 and is in CUSA. It's possible to hastily ascend your program to FBS, but this man doesn't know jack about it.

What do all those schools have in common?


...

They are in the Southeast and Texas where the appetite for college football is huge. Charlotte is drawing more fans than we are. The only time I visited Charlotte (a couple of months actually) I couldnt find a single hotel room because the city was taken over by College football fans due to a Georgia vs Clemson matchup. The whole city was red and orange. I don't think I will ever see something like that happen anywhere in the Northeast
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on October 22, 2021, 02:17:57 pm
https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1451599474393063427?s=21

JMU is gone. CUSA is crumbling. No, they will not even look in the direction of SBU, as they shouldn’t. Very few CAA teams have any shot of moving out of the conference, and that would mostly be due to their basketball programs.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on October 22, 2021, 02:23:23 pm
https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1451599474393063427?s=21

JMU is gone. CUSA is crumbling. No, they will not even look in the direction of SBU, as they shouldn’t. Very few CAA teams have any shot of moving out of the conference, and that would mostly be due to their basketball programs.

Why would JMU want CUSA over the Sunbelt? The Sunbelt is a rising conference in every sport/ I'm lost
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on October 22, 2021, 02:29:52 pm
https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1451599474393063427?s=21

JMU is gone. CUSA is crumbling. No, they will not even look in the direction of SBU, as they shouldn’t. Very few CAA teams have any shot of moving out of the conference, and that would mostly be due to their basketball programs.

Why would JMU want CUSA over the Sunbelt? The Sunbelt is a rising conference in every sport/ I'm lost

Apologies, should've clarified. JMU is heading to the Sun Belt with some CUSA teams. The CUSA is being picked off one by one and is being reduced to ashes. Despite that, the CUSA will not look at SBU as a possible candidate.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 22, 2021, 02:35:07 pm
There is no pain hurtful enough for Shawn Heilbron to suffer in. That man deserves the worst.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 22, 2021, 04:25:05 pm
Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA. It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.

If we moved everything from the AE and joined CUSA then I'd agree with the massive travel and instability it wouldn't be worth it.

If came down to the point where CUSA needed football only schools to round out the conference and UConn, Liberty, etc. didn't want to play ball then absolutely SBU should jump on that. Football only in CUSA while keeping everything else in the AE would be a damn good result for SBU Athletics.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on October 23, 2021, 05:44:54 am
Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA. It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.

If we moved everything from the AE and joined CUSA then I'd agree with the massive travel and instability it wouldn't be worth it.

If came down to the point where CUSA needed football only schools to round out the conference and UConn, Liberty, etc. didn't want to play ball then absolutely SBU should jump on that. Football only in CUSA while keeping everything else in the AE would be a damn good result for SBU Athletics.

If I were the AD and had the opportunity to join CUSA, I'd seriously consider taking it. There wont be another opportunity like this in our lifetime to move up in conference.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 23, 2021, 08:52:48 pm
Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA. It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.

If we moved everything from the AE and joined CUSA then I'd agree with the massive travel and instability it wouldn't be worth it.

If came down to the point where CUSA needed football only schools to round out the conference and UConn, Liberty, etc. didn't want to play ball then absolutely SBU should jump on that. Football only in CUSA while keeping everything else in the AE would be a damn good result for SBU Athletics.

As would I, which is why I sure hope Heilbron is working the phones with the CUSA commissioner to at least be on her radar. They need schools BADLY right now and even if it's football only I'm sure she'd take the call.

If I were the AD and had the opportunity to join CUSA, I'd seriously consider taking it. There wont be another opportunity like this in our lifetime to move up in conference.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 23, 2021, 09:09:50 pm
Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA. It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.

If we moved everything from the AE and joined CUSA then I'd agree with the massive travel and instability it wouldn't be worth it.

If came down to the point where CUSA needed football only schools to round out the conference and UConn, Liberty, etc. didn't want to play ball then absolutely SBU should jump on that. Football only in CUSA while keeping everything else in the AE would be a damn good result for SBU Athletics.

As would I, which is why I sure hope Heilbron is working the phones with the CUSA commissioner to at least be on her radar. They need schools BADLY right now and even if it's football only I'm sure she'd take the call.

If I were the AD and had the opportunity to join CUSA, I'd seriously consider taking it. There wont be another opportunity like this in our lifetime to move up in conference.


I want no part of the CUSA. For me the CUSA is like the Big South of the 2000s at this point. I prefer playing flagship state state universities from the northeast (CAA) than playing middle-of-nowhere second rate schools from the south...



You guys are sounding desperate and a bit crazy at this point.

I don't see any benefit of being at the FBS level right now in one of those crappy leagues... especially with how things are shifting so quickly. The whole model may implode in a few years anyway. What we need to do is invest in our program, find a better coach, win more games and aggressively market the teams in hopes of tapping on more fans. 


I think someday I envision that when its all said and done we can have a northeast-midAtlantic non Power-5 football conference consisting of...

Temple
Buffalo
Connecticut
Stony Brook
Massachusetts
Albany
Delaware
and who knows maybe Army?!?!

in the same conference. I would be happy with an alignment like that. Just wish there could be football-only conferences
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 31, 2021, 08:18:01 am
This realignment may create an opportunity for us to get into A10. Big East is looking to expand by one more team, which most likely will come from A10: SLU or Dayton or VCU. Another opening could be because UMASS may move to MAC or stupidly to CUSA. Either way, A10 will not stay at odd number 13. Unless both those happen, then they will likely stay at 12. Let’s hope only one team leaves A10.

A10 will likely add from the east. We need to audition ourselves. Stony Brook must make it to the NCAA tournament this year. Also beating GMU in our first game will help. GMU is predicted to be middle of the A10 table this season. If we can have an outstanding season, may be we will stand out from other candidates like CofC, Northeastern, etc.

Lastly we need to reach out to A10 ADs and presidents and build relationships so when an opportunity arises, they pull for us instead of for other candidates. Let’s make friends with Rhody, Fordham, GMU, GW etc. Need to play the athletics politics.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on November 10, 2021, 05:11:25 pm
Looks like MAC staying on 12. WKU and MTSU staying in CUSA. MTSU doesn’t want to move to MAC, and MAC probably won’t take WKU alone.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 10, 2021, 05:17:51 pm
is that good or bad for opportunists?  id think bad right?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on November 10, 2021, 05:55:34 pm
I think that’s good? Lol not sure. But it keeps the eastward expansion idea open. I have been reading a lot of realignment stuff last couple of weeks. My hope for A10 is perhaps wishful thinking. Even if A10 loses members, they are unlikely to add anyone. It’s already become a 2 bid league. Not the old 4/5 bids A10 anymore. And Stony Brook won’t help with at-large bid.

So I have been thinking that then perhaps after A10, MAC is the best idea. I will never advocate CUSA- flying to El Paso, Las Cruces, Miami, Louisiana, Mississippi makes no sense. It would be a big mistake, that would drag the AD down financially to bankruptcy. We don’t have sugar-daddy like Coastal Carolina.

Perhaps Stony Brook with UMASS or Delaware, can give MAC an eastern presence in a population heavy region. MAC will be 14 members with SBU and UMASS/UD. They can continue East/west divisions. MAC basketball is not as good as A10, but is not as bad as Sunbelt either. Besides perhaps Buffalo and Stony Brook will start something like rivalry? Lol.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on November 10, 2021, 07:38:19 pm
Here is a link to conference realignment talks... crazy, entertaining, popcorn stuff lol

https://csnbbs.com/forum-637.html
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest419 on November 10, 2021, 10:14:45 pm
Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA. It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.

If we moved everything from the AE and joined CUSA then I'd agree with the massive travel and instability it wouldn't be worth it.

If came down to the point where CUSA needed football only schools to round out the conference and UConn, Liberty, etc. didn't want to play ball then absolutely SBU should jump on that. Football only in CUSA while keeping everything else in the AE would be a damn good result for SBU Athletics.

If I were the AD and had the opportunity to join CUSA, I'd seriously consider taking it. There wont be another opportunity like this in our lifetime to move up in conference.

SB cant afford to be in the CUSA. They probably cant afford to be in the CAA with all sports. If SH is extended you will see SB sports continue to be what it is today and not get any much better.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 10, 2021, 10:16:14 pm
UMASS will never leave the A10 for the MAC, so the MAC will stay put for now and for the foreseeable future. CUSA should stabilize at 9, and without ESPN bankrolling any additions will probably add one more school and then stop.

Here is a link to conference realignment talks... crazy, entertaining, popcorn stuff lol

https://csnbbs.com/forum-637.html

I've lurked that forum for a good five six years now. Always hilarious. Especially that one guy who lists every NCAA school as an FBS candidate   ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on November 10, 2021, 11:29:27 pm
I don’t see why Heilbron would get extended. He’s done nothing right. What justification would the powers that be have for keeping him? His tenure has been a disastrous failure.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on November 11, 2021, 04:57:07 am
I don’t see why Heilbron would get extended. He’s done nothing right. What justification would the powers that be have for keeping him? His tenure has been a disastrous failure.

Who's going to fire SH, Our new president?? That's a joke. it is easier to just keep him on as AD as opposed to trying to do a national search and having to start over again.

SH and coach Chucky isn't going anywhere for a very long time..
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on November 11, 2021, 05:27:22 am
I think that’s good? Lol not sure. But it keeps the eastward expansion idea open. I have been reading a lot of realignment stuff last couple of weeks. My hope for A10 is perhaps wishful thinking. Even if A10 loses members, they are unlikely to add anyone. It’s already become a 2 bid league. Not the old 4/5 bids A10 anymore. And Stony Brook won’t help with at-large bid.

So I have been thinking that then perhaps after A10, MAC is the best idea. I will never advocate CUSA- flying to El Paso, Las Cruces, Miami, Louisiana, Mississippi makes no sense. It would be a big mistake, that would drag the AD down financially to bankruptcy. We don’t have sugar-daddy like Coastal Carolina.

Perhaps Stony Brook with UMASS or Delaware, can give MAC an eastern presence in a population heavy region. MAC will be 14 members with SBU and UMASS/UD. They can continue East/west divisions. MAC basketball is not as good as A10, but is not as bad as Sunbelt either. Besides perhaps Buffalo and Stony Brook will start something like rivalry? Lol.

(Attachment Link)

I've been saying this for years. If, and a huge if SB ever gets an invite to a better conference. The MAC makes the most sense. But, SB's two major sports teams have been regressing the last 5 years, so I cant see the MAC wanting a school that places the two biggest fan draw at zero priority.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on November 11, 2021, 09:11:48 am
UMASS will never leave the A10 for the MAC, so the MAC will stay put for now and for the foreseeable future. CUSA should stabilize at 9, and without ESPN bankrolling any additions will probably add one more school and then stop.

Here is a link to conference realignment talks... crazy, entertaining, popcorn stuff lol

https://csnbbs.com/forum-637.html

I've lurked that forum for a good five six years now. Always hilarious. Especially that one guy who lists every NCAA school as an FBS candidate   ;D
Legendary DavidSt  ;D We also got our own AE legend MaineJeff  :D
These and a few more are known as realignmentologists around the boards/forums
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 11, 2021, 09:23:26 am
I think that’s good? Lol not sure. But it keeps the eastward expansion idea open. I have been reading a lot of realignment stuff last couple of weeks. My hope for A10 is perhaps wishful thinking. Even if A10 loses members, they are unlikely to add anyone. It’s already become a 2 bid league. Not the old 4/5 bids A10 anymore. And Stony Brook won’t help with at-large bid.

So I have been thinking that then perhaps after A10, MAC is the best idea. I will never advocate CUSA- flying to El Paso, Las Cruces, Miami, Louisiana, Mississippi makes no sense. It would be a big mistake, that would drag the AD down financially to bankruptcy. We don’t have sugar-daddy like Coastal Carolina.

Perhaps Stony Brook with UMASS or Delaware, can give MAC an eastern presence in a population heavy region. MAC will be 14 members with SBU and UMASS/UD. They can continue East/west divisions. MAC basketball is not as good as A10, but is not as bad as Sunbelt either. Besides perhaps Buffalo and Stony Brook will start something like rivalry? Lol.

(Attachment Link)

I've been saying this for years. If, and a huge if SB ever gets an invite to a better conference. The MAC makes the most sense. But, SB's two major sports teams have been regressing the last 5 years, so I cant see the MAC wanting a school that places the two biggest fan draw at zero priority.

the more time that goes by the more i warm up to the MAC.  i feel like it's a more natural fit for us, at least as an academic institution.  especially if schools like RU and UD join.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 11, 2021, 10:56:05 am
I think that’s good? Lol not sure. But it keeps the eastward expansion idea open. I have been reading a lot of realignment stuff last couple of weeks. My hope for A10 is perhaps wishful thinking. Even if A10 loses members, they are unlikely to add anyone. It’s already become a 2 bid league. Not the old 4/5 bids A10 anymore. And Stony Brook won’t help with at-large bid.

So I have been thinking that then perhaps after A10, MAC is the best idea. I will never advocate CUSA- flying to El Paso, Las Cruces, Miami, Louisiana, Mississippi makes no sense. It would be a big mistake, that would drag the AD down financially to bankruptcy. We don’t have sugar-daddy like Coastal Carolina.

Perhaps Stony Brook with UMASS or Delaware, can give MAC an eastern presence in a population heavy region. MAC will be 14 members with SBU and UMASS/UD. They can continue East/west divisions. MAC basketball is not as good as A10, but is not as bad as Sunbelt either. Besides perhaps Buffalo and Stony Brook will start something like rivalry? Lol.

(Attachment Link)

I've been saying this for years. If, and a huge if SB ever gets an invite to a better conference. The MAC makes the most sense. But, SB's two major sports teams have been regressing the last 5 years, so I cant see the MAC wanting a school that places the two biggest fan draw at zero priority.

the more time that goes by the more i warm up to the MAC.  i feel like it's a more natural fit for us, at least as an academic institution.  especially if schools like RU and UD join.

If the MAC expands with a full on eastern wing I could grow to like the conference, but save for a few years here or there when a member or two is good at a particular sport, most of the teams don't interest me. Toledo and NIU would be interesting for football. Ohio would be interesting most years. Buffalo would be the only opponent I'd be hyped up for every time we played them, but outside of that nobody in the MAC as currently constituted really excites me. An Eastern expansion would help that somewhat if they added say us and Umass together, but I'd still prefer an east coast/mid-Atlantic/southern league that more or less fits in the current CAA footprint. That would be ideal.

However, with that being said, I'd still rather play Ball State, Akron, Kent, etc. over being stuck in the FCS. The MAC would be a significant step up in basketball too which would be nice. Still a one-bid league, but maybe occasionally could squeeze a second team in there.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 11, 2021, 11:16:51 am
pretty much exactly what i was thinking, thanks VA.  those football games are often on ESPN, and we could draw recruits from western PA, Ohio, WV, these are football strongholds. 

basketball of course, yes, is not as good, but would raise the profile.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest419 on November 11, 2021, 06:15:37 pm
Where is the money coming from to make the move to one of these FBS conferences? And where will the money come from to stay there. Have you noticed that is an issue at SB?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on November 11, 2021, 07:22:43 pm
I don’t see why Heilbron would get extended. He’s done nothing right. What justification would the powers that be have for keeping him? His tenure has been a disastrous failure.

Who's going to fire SH, Our new president?? That's a joke. it is easier to just keep him on as AD as opposed to trying to do a national search and having to start over again.

SH and coach Chucky isn't going anywhere for a very long time..

The "national search" is necessary to get rid of a guy who made bad football, basketball contract decisions, can't raise money and has made no effort to engage the student body. It would be harder to keep things the way they are while massively inferior schools pass us by.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on November 12, 2021, 06:08:47 am
I don’t see why Heilbron would get extended. He’s done nothing right. What justification would the powers that be have for keeping him? His tenure has been a disastrous failure.

Who's going to fire SH, Our new president?? That's a joke. it is easier to just keep him on as AD as opposed to trying to do a national search and having to start over again.

SH and coach Chucky isn't going anywhere for a very long time..

The "national search" is necessary to get rid of a guy who made bad football, basketball contract decisions, can't raise money and has made no effort to engage the student body. It would be harder to keep things the way they are while massively inferior schools pass us by.

I agree, but nothing is going to happen or change . The only times this school will make a drastic move is when something negative happens that may tarnish the school's reputation. ie; AD Fiore, Baseball HC, Matt Shank, Hedge fund, Dubin. But to fire and bring in new coaches or AD to improve the schools athletic dept. forget it..
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: OldSeawolf on November 12, 2021, 10:46:49 am
I don’t see why Heilbron would get extended. He’s done nothing right. What justification would the powers that be have for keeping him? His tenure has been a disastrous failure.

Who's going to fire SH, Our new president?? That's a joke. it is easier to just keep him on as AD as opposed to trying to do a national search and having to start over again.

SH and coach Chucky isn't going anywhere for a very long time..

The "national search" is necessary to get rid of a guy who made bad football, basketball contract decisions, can't raise money and has made no effort to engage the student body. It would be harder to keep things the way they are while massively inferior schools pass us by.

I agree, but nothing is going to happen or change . The only times this school will make a drastic move is when something negative happens that may tarnish the school's reputation. ie; AD Fiore, Baseball HC, Matt Shank, Hedge fund, Dubin. But to fire and bring in new coaches or AD to improve the schools athletic dept. forget it..

This is the first I heard of Senk getting suspended for 9 games.   I know how the baseball season ended horribly, but do you know what Senk did to get 9 games?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on November 12, 2021, 12:24:14 pm
This is the first I heard of Senk getting suspended for 9 games.   I know how the baseball season ended horribly, but do you know what Senk did to get 9 games?

Probably cursed out at AE’s ridiculous baseball tournament decision.

“While it remains unclear exactly how Senk violated NCAA and America East policies, the incident likely occurred after the controversial conclusion of the 2021 America East Baseball Championship.”

https://www.sbstatesman.com/2021/08/10/stony-brook-baseball-head-coach-to-serve-nine-game-suspension/
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 12, 2021, 12:52:50 pm
anyone who know senk knows that this is not his character and obviously we all wouldve done the same, and also obvious but his decades-long tenure isnt defined by this one incident. 

he's earned the right to get a pass- not because of winning- but because of who he is.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 12, 2021, 02:05:51 pm
I would be extremely pissed the way that NCAA bid was handed to NJIT after they refused to get back on the field. That's some b.s. Momentum was totally on Stony Brook's side. I remember waiting to watch the game and all of the sudden it was cancelled.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on November 12, 2021, 02:54:21 pm
Senk had an altercation with someone which led to his suspension.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on November 12, 2021, 04:04:19 pm
I don’t see why Heilbron would get extended. He’s done nothing right. What justification would the powers that be have for keeping him? His tenure has been a disastrous failure.

Who's going to fire SH, Our new president?? That's a joke. it is easier to just keep him on as AD as opposed to trying to do a national search and having to start over again.

SH and coach Chucky isn't going anywhere for a very long time..

The "national search" is necessary to get rid of a guy who made bad football, basketball contract decisions, can't raise money and has made no effort to engage the student body. It would be harder to keep things the way they are while massively inferior schools pass us by.

I agree, but nothing is going to happen or change . The only times this school will make a drastic move is when something negative happens that may tarnish the school's reputation. ie; AD Fiore, Baseball HC, Matt Shank, Hedge fund, Dubin. But to fire and bring in new coaches or AD to improve the schools athletic dept. forget it..

This is the first I heard of Senk getting suspended for 9 games.   I know how the baseball season ended horribly, but do you know what Senk did to get 9 games?

I know exactly what transpired that day, but will refuse to say exactly what he did. lets put it this way. Senk should be getting a promotional and a 10 year contract extension for doing what he did. He stuck up for his team and university. I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on November 12, 2021, 04:05:59 pm
Senk had an altercation with someone which led to his suspension.

Senk should get a 10 year contract extension because of what transpired that day. Amy should have gotten fired. But there is a reason why she resigned. Fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Triple Lindy on November 12, 2021, 10:04:49 pm
anyone who know senk knows that this is not his character and obviously we all wouldve done the same, and also obvious but his decades-long tenure isnt defined by this one incident. 

he's earned the right to get a pass- not because of winning- but because of who he is.
Completely agree. I didn’t “know” coach Senk but  I randomly ran into Coach Senk at a restaurant years after I graduated and mentioned I was an SB grad etc.  we talked SB Baseball for 10 minutes.  He is as genuine and personable as they come. Not to mention, he’s a hell of a baseball coach.  His tenure at SB speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on November 16, 2021, 06:52:37 pm
WOW... A10 adds Loyola Chicago. Shows how little I understand realignment. I thought 1) A10 wants to shrink, not expand to 15, and 2) next school will definitely be from east.. no more Midwest expansion. Can we be the 16th? Pretty please 🥺😭
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on November 16, 2021, 09:01:56 pm
WOW... A10 adds Loyola Chicago. Shows how little I understand realignment. I thought 1) A10 wants to shrink, not expand to 15, and 2) next school will definitely be from east.. no more Midwest expansion. Can we be the 16th? Pretty please 🥺😭

I saw a couple of media members speculating Temple may be the next team
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on November 16, 2021, 10:22:34 pm
WOW... A10 adds Loyola Chicago. Shows how little I understand realignment. I thought 1) A10 wants to shrink, not expand to 15, and 2) next school will definitely be from east.. no more Midwest expansion. Can we be the 16th? Pretty please 🥺😭

I saw a couple of media members speculating Temple may be the next team

That would be a great add for the basketball side, but then Temple football is independent. At what point do all these eastern FBS independents get it together and realize we need a new G5 conference in this region??


As for the A10 expansion move, I find it shocking as nobody really predicted it. The timing is also interesting. They could have added Loyola Chicago at any time, why now? I almost think they expect a couple teams to leave the league. There's also Fordham continuing to be a deadweight RPI boat anchor in that league who nobody wants. They don't even invest in their basketball. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on June 30, 2022, 05:59:20 pm
“USC, UCLA planning move from Pac-12 to Big Ten as early as 2024, sources say“  ??? ::)

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34173688/source-usc-ucla-considering-move-pac-12-big-ten

There goes our chance to join fellow AAU universities in B1G  ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on June 30, 2022, 06:04:03 pm
“USC, UCLA planning move from Pac-12 to Big Ten as early as 2024, sources say“  ??? ::)

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34173688/source-usc-ucla-considering-move-pac-12-big-ten

There goes our chance to join fellow AAU universities in B1G  ;D

Nuclear bomb of a realignment move. Texas and OU I could have told you would happen 10 years ago. This today I did not expect.


Brave new world we're in now guys. I don't think the Big Ten is done either as a 16 team Big Ten has the basketball team making midweek trips out to Nebraska, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc. in the middle of the week. That doesn't seem feasible long term.

This is just the first HUGE domino in another set of moves.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on June 30, 2022, 09:00:46 pm
It makes no sense, but it’s official.

NGL, makes it way harder for me to care about Stony Brook going to the CAA knowing these moves are what actually matters and are happening in the background.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on July 01, 2022, 10:28:42 am
This whole creation of two new super conferences suck… B1G and SEC will probably expand to 20 each. This is the end of regional rivalry. It feels like only a matter of time before these two power conferences go on their own leaving ncaa. Div1 will definitely break up to two divisions soon. May be 3. The two super conferences on their own, then the second group will include rest of P5, G5 and hopefully some of the top of fcs. And finally the NECs.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 01, 2022, 12:31:13 pm
that, and also since each conference is split in two, its really 4 conferences, just leveraging the top-level name.

query- is it not a matter of time before... oregon.... or arizona for example start jumping into this superconference?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on July 02, 2022, 05:17:17 pm
that, and also since each conference is split in two, its really 4 conferences, just leveraging the top-level name.

query- is it not a matter of time before... oregon.... or arizona for example start jumping into this superconference?

Agreed. Just a matter of time. I read on twitter Washington and Oregon have already approached B1G. ND is thinking what do do with their major rivals are now in B1G. SEC probably eyeing Arizona state and Arizona. Despite the great academics I don’t see Cal and Stanford that attractive to B1G because they are not big time in money sports FB and BB.

It’s going to be fascinating to see what happens. I don’t think there will be a merger or alliance between Pac12 and Big12. Either Utah, Colorado etc. will join Big12 OR Kansas, TexasTech etc. will join Pac12. One of these two conferences will be done as power conference.

If the ACC didn’t have the GOR till 2036, I think we would have seen them decimated by now. SEC probably wants Clemson, then one of the Florida schools.. Miami or FSU, perhaps VT to get into DMV area. BIG wants UNC, UVA, GTech etc. May be GOR won’t matter for the super conferences to break up ACC.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 02, 2022, 11:00:09 pm
that'd be ironic if colorado went back- where they had more success in the big12.  many years ago.

it's starting to look like the country will literally split in three- a northern superconference and a southern; leaving the rest (the big12, pac, and ACC and the then the G5).

as a fan of college sports, its sad to see the old rivalries and conferences all busted up. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: guest410 on July 03, 2022, 03:52:49 pm
that, and also since each conference is split in two, its really 4 conferences, just leveraging the top-level name.

query- is it not a matter of time before... oregon.... or arizona for example start jumping into this superconference?

Agreed. Just a matter of time. I read on twitter Washington and Oregon have already approached B1G. ND is thinking what do do with their major rivals are now in B1G. SEC probably eyeing Arizona state and Arizona. Despite the great academics I don’t see Cal and Stanford that attractive to B1G because they are not big time in money sports FB and BB.

It’s going to be fascinating to see what happens. I don’t think there will be a merger or alliance between Pac12 and Big12. Either Utah, Colorado etc. will join Big12 OR Kansas, TexasTech etc. will join Pac12. One of these two conferences will be done as power conference.

If the ACC didn’t have the GOR till 2036, I think we would have seen them decimated by now. SEC probably wants Clemson, then one of the Florida schools.. Miami or FSU, perhaps VT to get into DMV area. BIG wants UNC, UVA, GTech etc. May be GOR won’t matter for the super conferences to break up ACC.

What's GOR? Assuming it's an acronym
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on July 03, 2022, 07:48:49 pm
that, and also since each conference is split in two, its really 4 conferences, just leveraging the top-level name.

query- is it not a matter of time before... oregon.... or arizona for example start jumping into this superconference?

Agreed. Just a matter of time. I read on twitter Washington and Oregon have already approached B1G. ND is thinking what do do with their major rivals are now in B1G. SEC probably eyeing Arizona state and Arizona. Despite the great academics I don’t see Cal and Stanford that attractive to B1G because they are not big time in money sports FB and BB.

It’s going to be fascinating to see what happens. I don’t think there will be a merger or alliance between Pac12 and Big12. Either Utah, Colorado etc. will join Big12 OR Kansas, TexasTech etc. will join Pac12. One of these two conferences will be done as power conference.

If the ACC didn’t have the GOR till 2036, I think we would have seen them decimated by now. SEC probably wants Clemson, then one of the Florida schools.. Miami or FSU, perhaps VT to get into DMV area. BIG wants UNC, UVA, GTech etc. May be GOR won’t matter for the super conferences to break up ACC.

What's GOR? Assuming it's an acronym

Yes.. acronym for Grant of Rights… where the conference owns the rights to the team’s TV/media rights until a time. Or something like that. I don’t know/understand the details lol…but apparently even if you move to another conference, the tv rights still belong to the previous conference. It’s complicated to say the least lol
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 06, 2022, 12:53:45 pm
https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/acc-pac-12-discussing-partnership-in-wake-of-big-ten-bonanza/
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 07, 2022, 01:23:12 am
https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/acc-pac-12-discussing-partnership-in-wake-of-big-ten-bonanza/

Bunch of nothing. The next move lies in the hands of Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State. If they go to the Big 12 that conference gets cemented as the third best in the pecking order and then Washington, Oregon, Stanford, etc. are waiting on the clock for what the Big Ten and Notre Dame are going to do (If ND joins a conference they want to join the B1G even though they're contracted to join the ACC). Washington and Oregon fans hope that Notre Dame agrees to join and then Stanford comes along as a 20 team Big Ten.

If those four schools remain in the Pac-12, then I think the Pac-12 simply becomes a Pac-10 for a few more years while the other major moves in the sport happen and these things get negotiated behind the scenes. I personally think those four schools should move to the Big 12 now and secure their futures rather than remain in a dying Pac-12. That conference is on borrowed time. If they move now they could potentially force the issue for Washington and Oregon and make them come to the Big 12 with them for an 18 team Big 12. They either come along or remain in a Pac-6 while they wait for the Big Ten to figure out what they're doing.

No alliance of any kind will happen. I also see just about no scenario where Washington State and Oregon State remain in power conferences after this. Is what it is, but this is realignment. Many think schools like Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse, etc could be on the outside looking in as well when this all shakes out .
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on July 07, 2022, 10:00:26 am
I want this whole thing to collapse at this point. So tired of big-time college sports
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on July 07, 2022, 10:57:26 am
Not sure if it’s gonna collapse but definitely there will be a huge change coming. The gap between haves and have-nots is reaching a breaking point. Similar to last FBS/FCs split, I think there will be another split coming. I’m pretty sure one of Pac12 or ACC will cease to exist or will be completely decimated. My hope is from this chaos, there will be a new north-east fbs conference. May be the left overs from ACC like Cuse and BC… or perhaps Temple tired of flying to Texas for minimal media money etc. come to senses and create something local, which will likely be in the second tier of fbs with left overs from power5s and g5s. And if they do, big if I know, they will need more teams and we should be ready. Last decade, since joining CAA football, was a complete waste. We haven’t stood out as a fcs force. Hopefully next decade we stand out as one of the best fcs of north east… making us desirable. Even if there’s no northeast fbs conference, can’t we at least have a winning program?!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on July 07, 2022, 11:43:02 am
This split has officially killed my interest in Stony Brook from here on out. Joining the CAA means nothing when it's still FCS and has no foreseeable path to the top with the top closing in.

It's such a depressing fall. Ten years ago when I was there it felt like we were really building something and that the sky was the limit. But then Heilbron destroyed our ascent and the rest of the school began to move in problematic demographic directions which it hasn't changed from yet. Everyone said ten years ago that we'd be FBS in ten years.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 07, 2022, 01:20:16 pm
I want this whole thing to collapse at this point. So tired of big-time college sports

agreed
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on July 07, 2022, 03:37:18 pm
This split has officially killed my interest in Stony Brook from here on out. Joining the CAA means nothing when it's still FCS and has no foreseeable path to the top with the top closing in.

It's such a depressing fall. Ten years ago when I was there it felt like we were really building something and that the sky was the limit. But then Heilbron destroyed our ascent and the rest of the school began to move in problematic demographic directions which it hasn't changed from yet. Everyone said ten years ago that we'd be FBS in ten years.

You have to take Stony Brook FB as is. Enjoy the wins and hope they do the best they can at the level they are at.

I know many of us became fans with the hopes that SBU can someday play FBS football. But the reality is that big time football can only be played by the top 60 schools or so of the FBS anyway. The rest of the FBS is suffering from the same apathy FCS suffers. Most FBS programs are bleeding money and fans. The problem with the current NCAA landscape is that fans are losing interest for the school sports team now that traditions, rivalries, fan-bases are being thrown out the window for the hopes of earning more TV revenue. These greedy schools don't realize that the fabric that holds everything together is traditions/rivalries/fanbases/matchups. When you put all that aside for money it makes plenty of sense that college football attendance is rapidly declining overall.


To resolve this what we need is a new association based on a more egalitarian principles: (1) small regional conferences (7 member schools) with a guaranteed auto-bid and no at-large bids to a national playoff and (2) shared-revenue model so that fans of all schools can feel they have a realistic shot at a national championship, increase interests, and level the playing field
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 07, 2022, 04:03:15 pm
This split has officially killed my interest in Stony Brook from here on out. Joining the CAA means nothing when it's still FCS and has no foreseeable path to the top with the top closing in.

It's such a depressing fall. Ten years ago when I was there it felt like we were really building something and that the sky was the limit. But then Heilbron destroyed our ascent and the rest of the school began to move in problematic demographic directions which it hasn't changed from yet. Everyone said ten years ago that we'd be FBS in ten years.

You have to take Stony Brook FB as is. Enjoy the wins and hope they do the best they can at the level they are at.

I know many of us became fans with the hopes that SBU can someday play FBS football. But the reality is that big time football can only be played by the top 60 schools or so of the FBS anyway. The rest of the FBS is suffering from the same apathy FCS suffers. Most FBS programs are bleeding money and fans. The problem with the current NCAA landscape is that fans are losing interest for the school sports team now that traditions, rivalries, fan-bases are being thrown out the window for the hopes of earning more TV revenue. These greedy schools don't realize that the fabric that holds everything together is traditions/rivalries/fanbases/matchups. When you put all that aside for money it makes plenty of sense that college football attendance is rapidly declining overall.


To resolve this what we need is a new association based on a more egalitarian principles: (1) small regional conferences (7 member schools) with a guaranteed auto-bid and no at-large bids to a national playoff and (2) shared-revenue model so that fans of all schools can feel they have a realistic shot at a national championship, increase interests, and level the playing field

really well put.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on July 08, 2022, 07:31:42 am
This split has officially killed my interest in Stony Brook from here on out. Joining the CAA means nothing when it's still FCS and has no foreseeable path to the top with the top closing in.

It's such a depressing fall. Ten years ago when I was there it felt like we were really building something and that the sky was the limit. But then Heilbron destroyed our ascent and the rest of the school began to move in problematic demographic directions which it hasn't changed from yet. Everyone said ten years ago that we'd be FBS in ten years.

I feel exactly the same way as you. SBU is light years away from ever winning an FCS championship, or ever going FBS. They decided to take the low ride, back seat, with football.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 15, 2022, 12:09:12 pm
if youre into this type of chatter... and this is a little stale: https://twitter.com/Braden_Keith/status/1545054860478799873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1545054860478799873%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fproduction-cms.il-internal.com%2Fdash%2Farticle%2Fadd

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SOURCE: North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia are all negotiating to join the SEC. ESPN is trying to void their TV deal with the ACC.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on July 15, 2022, 01:43:25 pm
if youre into this type of chatter... and this is a little stale: https://twitter.com/Braden_Keith/status/1545054860478799873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1545054860478799873%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fproduction-cms.il-internal.com%2Fdash%2Farticle%2Fadd

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SOURCE: North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia are all negotiating to join the SEC. ESPN is trying to void their TV deal with the ACC.

Crazy if happens. SEC will be a monster conference. B1G will definitely retaliate with further expansion. There’s going to be two super conferences.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on July 15, 2022, 07:02:19 pm
what a mess
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 19, 2022, 02:05:52 am
I feel exactly the same way as you. SBU is light years away from ever winning an FCS championship, or ever going FBS. They decided to take the low ride, back seat, with football.

After all this realignment with the SEC/Big Ten shakes out, whatever is left of the G5 won't be that far above the FCS. Depending on how far the SEC/BIG try to push the NFL model we may see the G5 and the top of the FCS form their own sub-division that still resembles traditional college football. Certainly SBU should get a seat at the table in that, as should the more competitive and academically desirable FCS schools. Delaware, North Dakota State, Montana, etc should all be in on that.

if youre into this type of chatter... and this is a little stale: https://twitter.com/Braden_Keith/status/1545054860478799873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1545054860478799873%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fproduction-cms.il-internal.com%2Fdash%2Farticle%2Fadd

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SOURCE: North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia are all negotiating to join the SEC. ESPN is trying to void their TV deal with the ACC.

ESPN is trying to kill the ACC, but those schools wouldn't align that way I don't think. Virginia for one would much rather be in the Big Ten as would UNC most likely. Clemson and FSU I see being SEC bound. Virginia Tech is the much better fit for the SEC
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 19, 2022, 08:02:35 am
excellent point on realignment.

in fact, id argue that with SB football being somewhat stagnant, a shakeup (any shakeup) can only spell good things for us.  status quo isnt working, according to most here...
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 24, 2022, 04:08:38 am
excellent point on realignment.

in fact, id argue that with SB football being somewhat stagnant, a shakeup (any shakeup) can only spell good things for us.  status quo isnt working, according to most here...

We were here trying to move up to FBS, but with what the SEC and Big Ten are doing, FBS might move to us  ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Redwyn on July 24, 2022, 11:29:43 pm
excellent point on realignment.

in fact, id argue that with SB football being somewhat stagnant, a shakeup (any shakeup) can only spell good things for us.  status quo isnt working, according to most here...

We were here trying to move up to FBS, but with what the SEC and Big Ten are doing, FBS might move to us  ;D

I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it until someone sees the logic: the end-ideal for SBU in football is a grouping of large northeastern/midatlantic publics, likely an amalgam of low-tier/independent FBS and high level FCS. I say football specifically because I suspect that football conferences outside the highest tier will be different between football and MBB.

An ideal would look like:
UConn (def feasible given its independent/death bed status)
UMass (Indy, never was good, likely never will be)
Buffalo (The only team with marginal success who would be taking a step back here, but probably not a big enough one to justify staying with Ohio/Michigan vs. this)
Stony Brook
Delaware
Albany
Towson
New Hampshire
Maine
Rhode Island

Some diversity in football commitment, but all places people have heard of. That division stays alive, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 25, 2022, 09:06:34 am
its a good point.  and i agree.

playing wagner and fordham (we lost that one didnt we) and colgate and bryant and monmouth isnt going to get us anywhere.  on the private side, though, i'd like to see nova on the schedule, that's a good game for us. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on July 25, 2022, 11:39:28 am
excellent point on realignment.

in fact, id argue that with SB football being somewhat stagnant, a shakeup (any shakeup) can only spell good things for us.  status quo isnt working, according to most here...

We were here trying to move up to FBS, but with what the SEC and Big Ten are doing, FBS might move to us  ;D



I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it until someone sees the logic: the end-ideal for SBU in football is a grouping of large northeastern/midatlantic publics, likely an amalgam of low-tier/independent FBS and high level FCS. I say football specifically because I suspect that football conferences outside the highest tier will be different between football and MBB.

An ideal would look like:
UConn (def feasible given its independent/death bed status)
UMass (Indy, never was good, likely never will be)
Buffalo (The only team with marginal success who would be taking a step back here, but probably not a big enough one to justify staying with Ohio/Michigan vs. this)
Stony Brook
Delaware
Albany
Towson
New Hampshire
Maine
Rhode Island

Some diversity in football commitment, but all places people have heard of. That division stays alive, in my opinion.

100% agree.

I like the lineup

I would prob take Temple in as opposed to Towson
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on August 02, 2022, 11:52:02 am
excellent point on realignment.

in fact, id argue that with SB football being somewhat stagnant, a shakeup (any shakeup) can only spell good things for us.  status quo isnt working, according to most here...

We were here trying to move up to FBS, but with what the SEC and Big Ten are doing, FBS might move to us  ;D

I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it until someone sees the logic: the end-ideal for SBU in football is a grouping of large northeastern/midatlantic publics, likely an amalgam of low-tier/independent FBS and high level FCS. I say football specifically because I suspect that football conferences outside the highest tier will be different between football and MBB.

An ideal would look like:
UConn (def feasible given its independent/death bed status)
UMass (Indy, never was good, likely never will be)
Buffalo (The only team with marginal success who would be taking a step back here, but probably not a big enough one to justify staying with Ohio/Michigan vs. this)
Stony Brook
Delaware
Albany
Towson
New Hampshire
Maine
Rhode Island

Some diversity in football commitment, but all places people have heard of. That division stays alive, in my opinion.

I'd be all for this. Regional conference, reasonable travel, decent recruiting footprint with Towson in the league, and whether this league is in the new FBS or FCS it's best team could go on a run every once in a while. Either in a playoff or a major bowl.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: TPomeza3 on September 01, 2022, 04:28:22 am
just in general i saw texas and oklahoma will be added to SEC so interesting to see what knock on effect is. will b10 get bigger to create 2 super conferences and what will happen lower down.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on September 02, 2022, 02:06:23 am
just in general i saw texas and oklahoma will be added to SEC so interesting to see what knock on effect is. will b10 get bigger to create 2 super conferences and what will happen lower down.

Ancient News. USC and UCLA are moving to the Big Ten in response.

I see both of those leagues going to at least 20 in the near future and the ACC getting gutted/destroyed from it. The Pac-12 also. We'd have a defacto power 2 with the Big 12 sticking around as a clear third getting some kind of access. Whatever is left of the Mountain West/New Pac-12, AAC, Sun Belt, CUSA, etc will be not much better than the top of the FCS and may be equally irrelevant depending on how they handle playoff and media access.

The sport is nothing like it once was.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 02, 2022, 08:05:42 am
all true.  and, wont the big12 just raid those "lesser" western conferences?  i dunno, maybe colorado state or nevada, boise, SDst, maybe even the ND schools or hawai'i.  not much excitement but if they lose OSU and TTU, maybe they come calling...

and then, as i have been predicting, those mega conferences will just split in two (as many already have).  then you get the big money tv title game.  and, you get more teams under the conference banner, but ultimately no real difference as they'll still be somewhat in "separate" conferences.

certainly, 20 years ago, the 6 power conferences and 8 BCS bowls is starting to look like the golden age.  the SEC wasnt as dominant and the big east went to national title games.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 07, 2022, 09:42:21 pm
all true.  and, wont the big12 just raid those "lesser" western conferences?  i dunno, maybe colorado state or nevada, boise, SDst, maybe even the ND schools or hawai'i.  not much excitement but if they lose OSU and TTU, maybe they come calling...

and then, as i have been predicting, those mega conferences will just split in two (as many already have).  then you get the big money tv title game.  and, you get more teams under the conference banner, but ultimately no real difference as they'll still be somewhat in "separate" conferences.

certainly, 20 years ago, the 6 power conferences and 8 BCS bowls is starting to look like the golden age.  the SEC wasnt as dominant and the big east went to national title games.

yes, quoting myself.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34544151/commissioner-brett-yormark-says-big-12-expansion-strategy-going-west

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Commissioner Brett Yormark says Big 12's expansion strategy is about 'going out west'


Speaking Wednesday during a visit to future Big 12 member Cincinnati, Yormark told reporters that the league would be interested in adding members from the Pacific time zone. The new commissioner has taken a bold approach toward expansion, saying at football media days, "The Big 12 is open for business."

"Obviously, going out west is where I would like to go, entering that fourth time zone," Yormark said Wednesday.

He added of the Big 12's wish list: "A program that has national recognition, one that competes at the highest level in basketball and football, stands for the right things, is a good cultural fit."

Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on September 10, 2022, 01:52:50 pm
The Big 12 is already in three timezones, so that rules out Utah, Colorado and the Arizona schools (though I'm sure they'd take them too if they came along)

I'd wager they're going after Oregon, Washington, and maybe some of the Cali left behinds like Cal or even San Diego State.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 19, 2022, 11:31:05 am
After JMU’s successful transition from CAA to Sun Belt, Delaware is now looking at FBS. Rumors are MAC would be the likely landing spot. We have been in CAA football for almost a decade. If we were just a little bit successful, I think MAC would have invited us as well. Us along with Delaware, may be UMASS, would have created a nice and logical eastern expansion. May be Albany or Towson would have been the 14th to round up the number. May be Temple would join after being tired of AAC travel. May be UD and SB as full members, and UMASS and UCONN football only. We would have Buffalo as SUNY rivalry. So many scenarios. But I think we have failed to make us look attractive on field.

But then again you can always throw out logic in conference realignment. Georgia State went 1-7 in one year of CAA before joining Sun Belt.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on October 19, 2022, 12:37:42 pm
Speculate all you want about SB in FBS. Ain’t gonna happen, not with a Long Island fan base.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 19, 2022, 12:56:18 pm
its really the only discussion worth having.  sure, winning, profile, and stadium capacity are all parts of the FBS jump.  but ultimately, its really about $$$.  tickets, concessions, streaming deals, etc. 

we cant get our students to stay on campus, let alone watch a game.

and that's when we are winning.

if you take as example... LSU, with over 110k seats and 30k students, they likely have over 10k students at a game.  that's nearly our total capacity.  what do we get, 500 max on a good day?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on October 19, 2022, 01:20:09 pm
Who even gets the primary blame for Stony Brook students sucking ass? Heilbron, for being the leader of athletic dept that did nothing to engage them? Stanley/McInnis, for not attracting a better audience to the school? The students themselves, for being antisocial weirdos? Idk, I'm angry at them all. We should NOT be in this position 10 years later.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 20, 2022, 01:05:31 am
After JMU’s successful transition from CAA to Sun Belt, Delaware is now looking at FBS. Rumors are MAC would be the likely landing spot. We have been in CAA football for almost a decade. If we were just a little bit successful, I think MAC would have invited us as well. Us along with Delaware, may be UMASS, would have created a nice and logical eastern expansion. May be Albany or Towson would have been the 14th to round up the number. May be Temple would join after being tired of AAC travel. May be UD and SB as full members, and UMASS and UCONN football only. We would have Buffalo as SUNY rivalry. So many scenarios. But I think we have failed to make us look attractive on field.

But then again you can always throw out logic in conference realignment. Georgia State went 1-7 in one year of CAA before joining Sun Belt.

It was speculated back in the 2013ish(almost 10 years now, wow!!) timeframe that if UMass joined the MAC as a full member we'd be #14. That was back then though. Since then Fiore got rightfully booted for his BS, but Heilbron has had the whole athletic department treading water and football has been trending downard with 2017-18 being the lone exceptions. I'd understand why Delaware would want to move now that JMU is gone to the Sun Belt. Kennessaw State also announced a move to CUSA recently. Seems like a lot of schools are predictably trying to land in FBS homes ahead of the new CFP contract, especially since despite the SEC and Big Ten moves, a 12 team playoff with six conference champs is still on the table. Opening the door for a G5/mid-major team to make it each year.

Not too many schools excite me that much in the MAC other than Buffalo, but if Delaware tagged along and we were better positioned it could be a good move. With some of the schools the CAA added I'm not sure it's really any better from a fan interest perspective at this point. If by some miracle Heilbron is fielding calls from the MAC he should listen and angle to get us in there. It would single handedly save his tenure as our AD.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 20, 2022, 09:45:51 am
Who even gets the primary blame for Stony Brook students sucking ass? Heilbron, for being the leader of athletic dept that did nothing to engage them? Stanley/McInnis, for not attracting a better audience to the school? The students themselves, for being antisocial weirdos? Idk, I'm angry at them all. We should NOT be in this position 10 years later.

i doubt this is the fault of the athletic dept.... it's a cultural norm at SBU, and also, an infrastructure problem- bad campus design, mixing of freshmen with seniors, train runs through campus, draws heavily off NYC/LI, rigorous academics, etc. 

SBU wasnt always like this.  just last week i met an alum from the 70s.  and he confirmed the legends we always hear- that there were bars in the basement of the dorms.

so i guess it goes all the way to the top.  good on mcinnis for even acknowledging it.  i dont recall kenney ever even thinking about it.


in other news- it's so interesting to see the range of opinions here- some think football should fold, drop back to Division III, and others think FBS!  discuss, i am enjoying this...
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 20, 2022, 09:50:32 am
I’m a bball first, then fb fan. A10 was always my wish. But seems like that would remain a wish. But football drives the athletics landscape. And the powers at college football want to divide FBS into haves and have nots. FCS will essentially move down to third in food chain from second now. If there’s any opportunity to get to that second tier, ie bottom of fbs, I think we should do that. Cause otherwise it would eventually affect bball too.

But on the other hand I really do prefer CAA basketball over MAC basketball….even after the recent additions/dilution of CAA basketball quality.

So it’s going to be tricky to navigate the college athletics landscape next few years. I just wish we were more proactive and put ourselves in a better position to take any opportunity comes our way. But I am worried we will be left behind at the bottom of food chain.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 20, 2022, 10:50:26 am
I’m a bball first, then fb fan. A10 was always my wish. But seems like that would remain a wish. But football drives the athletics landscape. And the powers at college football want to divide FBS into haves and have nots. FCS will essentially move down to third in food chain from second now. If there’s any opportunity to get to that second tier, ie bottom of fbs, I think we should do that. Cause otherwise it would eventually affect bball too.

But on the other hand I really do prefer CAA basketball over MAC basketball….even after the recent additions/dilution of CAA basketball quality.

So it’s going to be tricky to navigate the college athletics landscape next few years. I just wish we were more proactive and put ourselves in a better position to take any opportunity comes our way. But I am worried we will be left behind at the bottom of food chain.

I think given all the teams in the northeast and mid-Atlantic who are conference-less for football or are in a middling conference, I really think some kind of regionalish conference consisting of schools like UMass, Buffalo, Temple, Army, Navy, us, Delaware, Uconn (football only) could go somewhere. Especially since there's some uncertainty on where schools like Boston College and Syracuse will land after the ACC GOR ends next decade.

We have all these schools in this region that are scattered about various difference conferences and it's in no one's best interest to keep it that way.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Redwyn on October 20, 2022, 11:17:19 am
Who even gets the primary blame for Stony Brook students sucking ass? Heilbron, for being the leader of athletic dept that did nothing to engage them? Stanley/McInnis, for not attracting a better audience to the school? The students themselves, for being antisocial weirdos? Idk, I'm angry at them all. We should NOT be in this position 10 years later.

i doubt this is the fault of the athletic dept.... it's a cultural norm at SBU, and also, an infrastructure problem- bad campus design, mixing of freshmen with seniors, train runs through campus, draws heavily off NYC/LI, rigorous academics, etc. 

SBU wasnt always like this.  just last week i met an alum from the 70s.  and he confirmed the legends we always hear- that there were bars in the basement of the dorms.

so i guess it goes all the way to the top.  good on mcinnis for even acknowledging it.  i dont recall kenney ever even thinking about it.


in other news- it's so interesting to see the range of opinions here- some think football should fold, drop back to Division III, and others think FBS!  discuss, i am enjoying this...

Kenny knew it. I know she knew it because I would speak to her about it. The emphasis on RED was her's, the athletic expansion her's, the transition to D1 her's. Marburger was anti-athletics. It took over a decade to come close to reversing that. I would argue that the campus never got as close to being what we dreamed it could be than it was the last year of her presidency.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 20, 2022, 12:06:11 pm
Who even gets the primary blame for Stony Brook students sucking ass? Heilbron, for being the leader of athletic dept that did nothing to engage them? Stanley/McInnis, for not attracting a better audience to the school? The students themselves, for being antisocial weirdos? Idk, I'm angry at them all. We should NOT be in this position 10 years later.

i doubt this is the fault of the athletic dept.... it's a cultural norm at SBU, and also, an infrastructure problem- bad campus design, mixing of freshmen with seniors, train runs through campus, draws heavily off NYC/LI, rigorous academics, etc. 

SBU wasnt always like this.  just last week i met an alum from the 70s.  and he confirmed the legends we always hear- that there were bars in the basement of the dorms.

so i guess it goes all the way to the top.  good on mcinnis for even acknowledging it.  i dont recall kenney ever even thinking about it.


in other news- it's so interesting to see the range of opinions here- some think football should fold, drop back to Division III, and others think FBS!  discuss, i am enjoying this...

Kenny knew it. I know she knew it because I would speak to her about it. The emphasis on RED was her's, the athletic expansion her's, the transition to D1 her's. Marburger was anti-athletics. It took over a decade to come close to reversing that. I would argue that the campus never got as close to being what we dreamed it could be than it was the last year of her presidency.

This is a whole new angle. Never realized the contribution of Kenny. Makes sense the push was from top down which encouraged Priore etc. Thanks Redwyn.

One would have thought that McInnis would be lot more interested/motivated in promoting athletics as she is a product of UVA and Wahoos, and worked at Texas and their stories Longhorns previously. Some of the promotion/encouragement/emphasis on athletics from the top doesn’t even require whole lotta money. It seems athletics is just neglected at the moment  :(
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 20, 2022, 12:19:55 pm
good point, and id even argue we already had a three tier system.  there was BCS, non BCS, and IAA.  so is it really all that different?

maybe.  app state changed a lot with a groundbreaking (not the first, but the first meaningful) upset, now 15 years ago.  that closed the gap a bit, but now that gap is widening, what with the transfer portal, NIL, twitter, conference shakeups, streaming deals, etc.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 21, 2022, 11:13:14 am
That mythical eastern FBS conference is still doable if some of the northeastern G5 FBS teams swallow their pride. It takes 6 current FBS teams to create a conference if I’m not mistaken. Temple should realize AAC is just too far stretched. Take Temple, UMass, Buffalo that’s three. Army and Navy will never be in one conference. Their rivalry game is more significant and sellable as ooc. While Navy likes to schedule games out west and south, Army schedules a lot of games northeast. With Army on board, two more needed. Why not steal the top two academic schools from MAC: Ohio and Miami. May be they would prefer to play other top academic schools from northeast rather than directional schools from Michigan. They keep their rivalry and fit in as travel partners. If the MAC pair aren’t convinced, then Temple can try convince the pair of AAC NC schools instead: ECU and UNCC.

Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Army (fb-only)
Ohio
Miami (OH)

Now this group will be able to invite anyone from northeast from FCS rank.

Delaware (most FBS ready from the region.. lots of renovations.. highest attendance)
William and Mary (second most FBS ready from the region.. recent renovations.. moderate-high attendance)
Stony Brook  ;D
UNH or Albany
URI bball-only
UCONN fb-only


I can daydream right?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 21, 2022, 11:41:37 am
i love this idea.  its regional, its not too-southern.  hopefully can pick up steam.  a lot of these are bus trips- let's be honest here- a travelling football program can get into the triple digits with trainers, media, film, IR, players, coaches, etc.  flights, meals, busses, hotels.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 21, 2022, 03:38:41 pm
After JMU’s successful transition from CAA to Sun Belt, Delaware is now looking at FBS. Rumors are MAC would be the likely landing spot. We have been in CAA football for almost a decade. If we were just a little bit successful, I think MAC would have invited us as well. Us along with Delaware, may be UMASS, would have created a nice and logical eastern expansion. May be Albany or Towson would have been the 14th to round up the number. May be Temple would join after being tired of AAC travel. May be UD and SB as full members, and UMASS and UCONN football only. We would have Buffalo as SUNY rivalry. So many scenarios. But I think we have failed to make us look attractive on field.

But then again you can always throw out logic in conference realignment. Georgia State went 1-7 in one year of CAA before joining Sun Belt.

If I'm Delaware I wouldn't mess with the MAC. The MAC gets no respect in the midwest. Why would a "southern" (I know its a stretch - but its closer to the South than midwest)  school play with a bunch of Midwestern directional schools in the shadows of the Big Ten?

If I were Delaware I would seriously look South (American, Sun Belt, and Conference USA)
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 21, 2022, 03:48:25 pm
Who even gets the primary blame for Stony Brook students sucking ass? Heilbron, for being the leader of athletic dept that did nothing to engage them? Stanley/McInnis, for not attracting a better audience to the school? The students themselves, for being antisocial weirdos? Idk, I'm angry at them all. We should NOT be in this position 10 years later.

i doubt this is the fault of the athletic dept.... it's a cultural norm at SBU, and also, an infrastructure problem- bad campus design, mixing of freshmen with seniors, train runs through campus, draws heavily off NYC/LI, rigorous academics, etc. 

SBU wasnt always like this.  just last week i met an alum from the 70s.  and he confirmed the legends we always hear- that there were bars in the basement of the dorms.

so i guess it goes all the way to the top.  good on mcinnis for even acknowledging it.  i dont recall kenney ever even thinking about it.


in other news- it's so interesting to see the range of opinions here- some think football should fold, drop back to Division III, and others think FBS!  discuss, i am enjoying this...

Kenny knew it. I know she knew it because I would speak to her about it. The emphasis on RED was her's, the athletic expansion her's, the transition to D1 her's. Marburger was anti-athletics. It took over a decade to come close to reversing that. I would argue that the campus never got as close to being what we dreamed it could be than it was the last year of her presidency.


Absolutely. Kenny transformed the campus in every sense of the word.

Better landscaping, better architecture for new buildings, improved the academic mall to provide a centric location for student life. Elevated sports to Division I, got us the Kenneth LaValle Stadium. Got us into the 62-member research AAU

There really hasn't been a president with such emphasis for student life and spirit prior or after Kenny. Dr. Stanley was alright I guess.

My first year was Fall 2007 - 50 year celebration. It was a great year IMO. Honestly - I didn't find Stony Brook boring as many say. While I was there I only saw more and more kids attending games, increased amount of tailgates, etc. It wasn't bad at all.

We have definitely regressed the past few years. Two major decisions that I can think back to that radically f#cked everything up: (1) banning frats from tailgating back in 2012 or 2013, (2) charging for season parking in the main lot and locking out the students from using it.

If you want to kill a vibrant and growing football fan base just gotta do that
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on October 21, 2022, 04:17:06 pm
After JMU’s successful transition from CAA to Sun Belt, Delaware is now looking at FBS. Rumors are MAC would be the likely landing spot. We have been in CAA football for almost a decade. If we were just a little bit successful, I think MAC would have invited us as well. Us along with Delaware, may be UMASS, would have created a nice and logical eastern expansion. May be Albany or Towson would have been the 14th to round up the number. May be Temple would join after being tired of AAC travel. May be UD and SB as full members, and UMASS and UCONN football only. We would have Buffalo as SUNY rivalry. So many scenarios. But I think we have failed to make us look attractive on field.

But then again you can always throw out logic in conference realignment. Georgia State went 1-7 in one year of CAA before joining Sun Belt.

If I'm JMU I wouldn't mess with the MAC. The MAC gets no respect in the midwest. Why would a southern school play with a bunch of Midwestern teams in the shadows of the Big Ten?

If I were JMU I would seriously look South (American, Sun Belt, and Conference USA)

You mean JMU UD  ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 21, 2022, 04:21:26 pm
After JMU’s successful transition from CAA to Sun Belt, Delaware is now looking at FBS. Rumors are MAC would be the likely landing spot. We have been in CAA football for almost a decade. If we were just a little bit successful, I think MAC would have invited us as well. Us along with Delaware, may be UMASS, would have created a nice and logical eastern expansion. May be Albany or Towson would have been the 14th to round up the number. May be Temple would join after being tired of AAC travel. May be UD and SB as full members, and UMASS and UCONN football only. We would have Buffalo as SUNY rivalry. So many scenarios. But I think we have failed to make us look attractive on field.

But then again you can always throw out logic in conference realignment. Georgia State went 1-7 in one year of CAA before joining Sun Belt.

If I'm JMU I wouldn't mess with the MAC. The MAC gets no respect in the midwest. Why would a southern school play with a bunch of Midwestern teams in the shadows of the Big Ten?

If I were JMU I would seriously look South (American, Sun Belt, and Conference USA)

You mean JMU UD  ;D


Yes... sorry. Meant UD. Fixed!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 22, 2022, 12:25:05 pm
That mythical eastern FBS conference is still doable if some of the northeastern G5 FBS teams swallow their pride. It takes 6 current FBS teams to create a conference if I’m not mistaken. Temple should realize AAC is just too far stretched. Take Temple, UMass, Buffalo that’s three. Army and Navy will never be in one conference. Their rivalry game is more significant and sellable as ooc. While Navy likes to schedule games out west and south, Army schedules a lot of games northeast. With Army on board, two more needed. Why not steal the top two academic schools from MAC: Ohio and Miami. May be they would prefer to play other top academic schools from northeast rather than directional schools from Michigan. They keep their rivalry and fit in as travel partners. If the MAC pair aren’t convinced, then Temple can try convince the pair of AAC NC schools instead: ECU and UNCC.

Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Army (fb-only)
Ohio
Miami (OH)

Now this group will be able to invite anyone from northeast from FCS rank.

Delaware (most FBS ready from the region.. lots of renovations.. highest attendance)
William and Mary (second most FBS ready from the region.. recent renovations.. moderate-high attendance)
Stony Brook  ;D
UNH or Albany
URI bball-only
UCONN fb-only


I can daydream right?

UConn is indy right now and would want to be in that core group. You'd only need one of those Ohio schools, though I wouldn't count on any of the core MAC schools leaving that group. NIU would want out, but they're too far west out in the Chicago market and just doesn't make sense for this league to have such a big island like that.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Redwyn on October 22, 2022, 08:26:35 pm
That mythical eastern FBS conference is still doable if some of the northeastern G5 FBS teams swallow their pride. It takes 6 current FBS teams to create a conference if I’m not mistaken. Temple should realize AAC is just too far stretched. Take Temple, UMass, Buffalo that’s three. Army and Navy will never be in one conference. Their rivalry game is more significant and sellable as ooc. While Navy likes to schedule games out west and south, Army schedules a lot of games northeast. With Army on board, two more needed. Why not steal the top two academic schools from MAC: Ohio and Miami. May be they would prefer to play other top academic schools from northeast rather than directional schools from Michigan. They keep their rivalry and fit in as travel partners. If the MAC pair aren’t convinced, then Temple can try convince the pair of AAC NC schools instead: ECU and UNCC.

Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Army (fb-only)
Ohio
Miami (OH)

Now this group will be able to invite anyone from northeast from FCS rank.

Delaware (most FBS ready from the region.. lots of renovations.. highest attendance)
William and Mary (second most FBS ready from the region.. recent renovations.. moderate-high attendance)
Stony Brook  ;D
UNH or Albany
URI bball-only
UCONN fb-only


I can daydream right?

UConn is indy right now and would want to be in that core group. You'd only need one of those Ohio schools, though I wouldn't count on any of the core MAC schools leaving that group. NIU would want out, but they're too far west out in the Chicago market and just doesn't make sense for this league to have such a big island like that.

My guess is a realistic FBS conference that could come from regional schools and would MAYBE make sense would be as follows:

U Conn
U Mass
Buffalo
Stony Brook
Army
Delaware
Albany (if we go, they go)
Towson

URI is never happening, nor will W&M (they'd sooner go Patriot), Richmond, Elon, or Villanova. My guess is Monmouth would follow. Then you could potentially pull in NC A&T to make 10.

I'd be ok with this, but it's too intuitive for anyone to actually do in this world of chaos football.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: factorykitten on December 04, 2022, 09:15:07 pm
That mythical eastern FBS conference is still doable if some of the northeastern G5 FBS teams swallow their pride. It takes 6 current FBS teams to create a conference if I’m not mistaken. Temple should realize AAC is just too far stretched. Take Temple, UMass, Buffalo that’s three. Army and Navy will never be in one conference. Their rivalry game is more significant and sellable as ooc. While Navy likes to schedule games out west and south, Army schedules a lot of games northeast. With Army on board, two more needed. Why not steal the top two academic schools from MAC: Ohio and Miami. May be they would prefer to play other top academic schools from northeast rather than directional schools from Michigan. They keep their rivalry and fit in as travel partners. If the MAC pair aren’t convinced, then Temple can try convince the pair of AAC NC schools instead: ECU and UNCC.

Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Army (fb-only)
Ohio
Miami (OH)

Now this group will be able to invite anyone from northeast from FCS rank.

Delaware (most FBS ready from the region.. lots of renovations.. highest attendance)
William and Mary (second most FBS ready from the region.. recent renovations.. moderate-high attendance)
Stony Brook  ;D
UNH or Albany
URI bball-only
UCONN fb-only


I can daydream right?

UConn is indy right now and would want to be in that core group. You'd only need one of those Ohio schools, though I wouldn't count on any of the core MAC schools leaving that group. NIU would want out, but they're too far west out in the Chicago market and just doesn't make sense for this league to have such a big island like that.

My guess is a realistic FBS conference that could come from regional schools and would MAYBE make sense would be as follows:

U Conn
U Mass
Buffalo
Stony Brook
Army
Delaware
Albany (if we go, they go)
Towson

URI is never happening, nor will W&M (they'd sooner go Patriot), Richmond, Elon, or Villanova. My guess is Monmouth would follow. Then you could potentially pull in NC A&T to make 10.

I'd be ok with this, but it's too intuitive for anyone to actually do in this world of chaos football.

IMO Stony Brook will never be an FBS school as long as Heilbron and Emmerich are administrators. The CAA was desperate and rumor has it that the CAA made a big financial commitment to bring us in and that we won't see any conference revenue for years as a result. The idiots cant raise money and look at the decisions theyve made regarding the football and basketball coaches and programs. Thats a pipedream.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Steve1981 on June 18, 2023, 12:09:27 pm
That mythical eastern FBS conference is still doable if some of the northeastern G5 FBS teams swallow their pride. It takes 6 current FBS teams to create a conference if I’m not mistaken. Temple should realize AAC is just too far stretched. Take Temple, UMass, Buffalo that’s three. Army and Navy will never be in one conference. Their rivalry game is more significant and sellable as ooc. While Navy likes to schedule games out west and south, Army schedules a lot of games northeast. With Army on board, two more needed. Why not steal the top two academic schools from MAC: Ohio and Miami. May be they would prefer to play other top academic schools from northeast rather than directional schools from Michigan. They keep their rivalry and fit in as travel partners. If the MAC pair aren’t convinced, then Temple can try convince the pair of AAC NC schools instead: ECU and UNCC.

Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Army (fb-only)
Ohio
Miami (OH)

Now this group will be able to invite anyone from northeast from FCS rank.

Delaware (most FBS ready from the region.. lots of renovations.. highest attendance)
William and Mary (second most FBS ready from the region.. recent renovations.. moderate-high attendance)
Stony Brook  ;D
UNH or Albany
URI bball-only
UCONN fb-only


I can daydream right?

You can dream. Mine ended when CUSA said no to MArshall for adding more east coast teams. So Marshall, Old Dominion went to the Sun Belt with call up James Madison.
I'm a UMass fan and our administration is always feeding us hope of a higher conference or a football only affiliation. Do have my differences of opinions on both and not sure if you'd move up. To me the things I look for is the ability to build rivals and the MAC is stable with Buffalo, Ohio and others we could build a rivalry, has good bones in all sports and both women and men basketball have multiple NIT bids. The second is a place that we can win and after so many losing season, this is appealing to be and the casual fans. Of course this goes to some extent the first, but a geographically adjacent footprint. The MAC lacks east coast presence and for UMass to go all sports, would speculate this is a 10% URI would move up and go with us. Think Delaware can move up but they are at the north east boundary of 3 southern G5 conferences: AAC, CUSA and the Sun Belt.

Don't know what will happen with conference realignment, but know our administration would hold up hope for long shots. For example the ACC has a GOR through 2036 but some new hope they will split. Before that we'd join UConn with a Football affiliation to a G5 conference. With UConn getting Big12 interest, doubt they will ever sign a long term GOR. So we stay independent, going on our 7th year and need to move a year or two before coach Brown is done coaching. Also feel conference affiliations are not stable in the long run.

At a very high level statement of financials of FBS is better than FCS and the MAC is a solid conference. Where teams average 2.5M each plus the ability to play P5 teams for a 1.5M payday. That alone almost pays for the additional scholarships. How the new Big East changed the A10 from something special, to second fiddle with declining NCAA bids, wins and $$. Do not have faith the A10 or CAA will ever be close to their past glory days. the A10 lacks the ability to building common football and basketball rivals. You have this with CAA and can see you staying.

Wish you good luck and better tailgating experiences.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on July 27, 2023, 12:55:43 pm
I see no world where the trickle down effects result in any meaningful change for us, but Colorado will be leaving the pac-12 to return to the Big 12, and it just broke that FSU is actively trying to leave the ACC. Realignment is about to really pop off again.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: factorykitten on July 27, 2023, 06:58:56 pm
I see no world where the trickle down effects result in any meaningful change for us, but Colorado will be leaving the pac-12 to return to the Big 12, and it just broke that FSU is actively trying to leave the ACC. Realignment is about to really pop off again.

Nothing having to do with conference realignment will impact SB. they have no choice because of Heilbrons 8 years here but to suck it up and deal with the coach who got the secret extension the empty stadium the two wins last year and disasterous train wreck of the season upon us. Laughing stock of the CAA. Heilbrons legacy will be destroying the football program.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 06, 2023, 12:31:27 am
ATLEAST WE ARE NOT IN THE PAC-12  :D ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 06, 2023, 06:47:39 am
ATLEAST WE ARE NOT IN THE PAC-12  :D ;D

SB should really change conferences and go into the North East Conference, NEC..
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 07, 2023, 01:32:27 pm
there is so much going on in the top tier of college football that I'm starting to think that everyone else is just watching to see how this whole system implodes.

there is no point on going FBS anymore. We should just prepare ourselves as good a possible for Post NCAA breakup and where we can insert ourselves in that model.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 07, 2023, 03:11:48 pm
i think there's some merit to this idea.  firstly, the FBS has changed so much since 2012, that it doesnt even mean what it used to mean.  its simply not as desirable nor exclusive as it once was (hat tip, app state for starting the party in earnest). 

if anything, the holy grail now is P5, but even that's changed.  now it's more like power 3.5 (the half being the reformed big12). 

and even that's arguably the power 2, with the ACC and the big12 lagging.  and, the ACC just may crumble (im a seller on the idea that F$U will drop 120 big ones on the GOR just leave 13 years early).  clemson i think is in the same bucket but really who has time to read all this.

thus, if you're not in the power 2, or even the power 3.5 (as i call it), is there any real immediate value in going to the AAC, CUSA, MAC, etc. 
given we cant even win at the CAA level these days.  why not wait until everything truly reorganizes (looking at you, irish).

i keep saying and finally someone made the joke this week- it was a CFB coach- we'll go full circle and no one will even notice, because the megaconferences will just split (as the ACC/B1G did years ago), and will continue to split.  so you'll just have the conferences rework themselves under a different banner.  sure, there are changes, but not truly seismic.

geography be damned.  good luck to... Rutgers sending your non-revenue tennis teams out to eugene, oregon twice a year, with stops in lincoln, champaign, lansing, etc.

it was better 20 years ago when there were 6 power conferences (at least in CFB) and they were competitive.  yes, the big east was a power conference (vtech, miami playing for national titles).  remember when louisville was a top 5 team?  west va?  pitt made a BCS game (against a young urban meyer).  even rutgers had a taste during the first schiano tenure.  alabama was miserable after ncaa violations ruined recruiting. 

it all started with the longhorn network, no?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 08, 2023, 08:43:52 am
there is so much going on in the top tier of college football that I'm starting to think that everyone else is just watching to see how this whole system implodes.

there is no point on going FBS anymore. We should just prepare ourselves as good a possible for Post NCAA breakup and where we can insert ourselves in that model.

SBU had no intention of ever going FBS. I was told that by SH and others directly years ago.

I honestly believe SBU should drop football altogether, and take that football money and put it into basketball and find a real basketball coach and try to increase the brand name. Football is done and basketball is grasping for air, but can he revived if they want it to. But I bet hey don’t care about sports at all..
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 08, 2023, 09:57:13 am
there is so much going on in the top tier of college football that I'm starting to think that everyone else is just watching to see how this whole system implodes.

there is no point on going FBS anymore. We should just prepare ourselves as good a possible for Post NCAA breakup and where we can insert ourselves in that model.

SBU had no intention of ever going FBS. I was told that by SH and others directly years ago.

I honestly believe SBU should drop football altogether, and take that football money and put it into basketball and find a real basketball coach and try to increase the brand name. Football is done and basketball is grasping for air, but can he revived if they want it to. But I bet hey don’t care about sports at all..


But don't you think have a department that offers football also makes the department a bit more relevant as a whole?

As bad as our football program is right now. It is still the highest attended sport at the University. If you take into account that we already spent the money to have relatively good infrastructure in place (stadium, indoor practice facility, and dubin family athletic center) we would gain very little by cutting the sport.

Rather than cut I think we have to wait it out. I suspect that when the implosion finally happens there will be a lot of smaller private/public schools that won't be able to offer FBS/FCS football. There will be some consolidation and we will be able to benefit from that as a large AAU flagship State University.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: factorykitten on August 08, 2023, 10:10:44 am
there is so much going on in the top tier of college football that I'm starting to think that everyone else is just watching to see how this whole system implodes.

there is no point on going FBS anymore. We should just prepare ourselves as good a possible for Post NCAA breakup and where we can insert ourselves in that model.

SBU had no intention of ever going FBS. I was told that by SH and others directly years ago.

I honestly believe SBU should drop football altogether, and take that football money and put it into basketball and find a real basketball coach and try to increase the brand name. Football is done and basketball is grasping for air, but can he revived if they want it to. But I bet hey don’t care about sports at all..


But don't you think have a department that offers football also makes the department a bit more relevant as a whole?

As bad as our football program is right now. It is still the highest attended sport at the University. If you take into account that we already spent the money to have relatively good infrastructure in place (stadium, indoor practice facility, and dubin family athletic center) we would gain very little by cutting the sport.

Rather than cut I think we have to wait it out. I suspect that when the implosion finally happens there will be a lot of smaller private/public schools that won't be able to offer FBS/FCS football. There will be some consolidation and we will be able to benefit from that as a large AAU flagship State University.

You don't know what the actual football attendance number is because that is always a fudged number made by someone in the dept when they have to put a number down. That is a fact.

Relevant to who? Look at the top schools in the conference with basketball. They don't have football.

Look at the revenue brought in by actual ticket sales if you can get that number. You cant.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 08, 2023, 10:32:29 am
there is so much going on in the top tier of college football that I'm starting to think that everyone else is just watching to see how this whole system implodes.

there is no point on going FBS anymore. We should just prepare ourselves as good a possible for Post NCAA breakup and where we can insert ourselves in that model.

SBU had no intention of ever going FBS. I was told that by SH and others directly years ago.

I honestly believe SBU should drop football altogether, and take that football money and put it into basketball and find a real basketball coach and try to increase the brand name. Football is done and basketball is grasping for air, but can he revived if they want it to. But I bet hey don’t care about sports at all..


But don't you think have a department that offers football also makes the department a bit more relevant as a whole?

As bad as our football program is right now. It is still the highest attended sport at the University. If you take into account that we already spent the money to have relatively good infrastructure in place (stadium, indoor practice facility, and dubin family athletic center) we would gain very little by cutting the sport.

Rather than cut I think we have to wait it out. I suspect that when the implosion finally happens there will be a lot of smaller private/public schools that won't be able to offer FBS/FCS football. There will be some consolidation and we will be able to benefit from that as a large AAU flagship State University.

You don't know what the actual football attendance number is because that is always a fudged number made by someone in the dept when they have to put a number down. That is a fact.

Relevant to who? Look at the top schools in the conference with basketball. They don't have football.

Look at the revenue brought in by actual ticket sales if you can get that number. You cant.


You don't need official attendance numbers. Just being at LaValle on any given saturday you can immediately tell that there is more than 4,000 people there (the capacity of IFCU). There is no doubt that Stony Brook football draws the most fans at SBU even when the stadium is less than 50% capacity.

I think you guys are jumping the gun by supporting this idea to cut football. Sending that money to basketball won't help IMO.

I think we need to wait it out and support an all-sports athletic department. This isn't Hofstra or VCU
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 08, 2023, 10:52:48 am
there is so much going on in the top tier of college football that I'm starting to think that everyone else is just watching to see how this whole system implodes.

there is no point on going FBS anymore. We should just prepare ourselves as good a possible for Post NCAA breakup and where we can insert ourselves in that model.

SBU had no intention of ever going FBS. I was told that by SH and others directly years ago.

I honestly believe SBU should drop football altogether, and take that football money and put it into basketball and find a real basketball coach and try to increase the brand name. Football is done and basketball is grasping for air, but can he revived if they want it to. But I bet hey don’t care about sports at all..


But don't you think have a department that offers football also makes the department a bit more relevant as a whole?

As bad as our football program is right now. It is still the highest attended sport at the University. If you take into account that we already spent the money to have relatively good infrastructure in place (stadium, indoor practice facility, and dubin family athletic center) we would gain very little by cutting the sport.

Rather than cut I think we have to wait it out. I suspect that when the implosion finally happens there will be a lot of smaller private/public schools that won't be able to offer FBS/FCS football. There will be some consolidation and we will be able to benefit from that as a large AAU flagship State University.

You don't know what the actual football attendance number is because that is always a fudged number made by someone in the dept when they have to put a number down. That is a fact.

Relevant to who? Look at the top schools in the conference with basketball. They don't have football.

Look at the revenue brought in by actual ticket sales if you can get that number. You cant.


You don't need official attendance numbers. Just being at LaValle on any given saturday you can immediately tell that there is more than 4,000 people there (the capacity of IFCU). There is no doubt that Stony Brook football draws the most fans at SBU even when the stadium is less than 50% capacity.

I think you guys are jumping the gun by supporting this idea to cut football. Sending that money to basketball won't help IMO.

I think we need to wait it out and support an all-sports athletic department. This isn't Hofstra or VCU

Wait what, an administration change????

What you see is what it is, Ed. When the President extended SH and Chucky Cheese contract, that was all I needed to hear. She doesn’t care about athletics and makes that known. Extending or renewing the coaches and AD contract proves that she is very content with keeping the athletic budget under control and doesn’t worry about wins or losses.

You will always have a few more fans in the warmest time of the football season, but come Fall, you are not getting 4000 fans at LaVelle stadium. You are fooling yourself to believe otherwise.

Football is dead at SBU. Take the football budget money and buy a real basketball coach and assistants. You’d be surprised how star players will find their way over to SBU. Trust me. It’s not the university that is preventing athletes from coming here. It is the lack of talented coaches and recruiting. Dump millions more into Basketball, and you’ll see SBU competing in the NCAA March madness
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: factorykitten on August 08, 2023, 11:17:38 am
there is so much going on in the top tier of college football that I'm starting to think that everyone else is just watching to see how this whole system implodes.

there is no point on going FBS anymore. We should just prepare ourselves as good a possible for Post NCAA breakup and where we can insert ourselves in that model.

SBU had no intention of ever going FBS. I was told that by SH and others directly years ago.

I honestly believe SBU should drop football altogether, and take that football money and put it into basketball and find a real basketball coach and try to increase the brand name. Football is done and basketball is grasping for air, but can he revived if they want it to. But I bet hey don’t care about sports at all..


But don't you think have a department that offers football also makes the department a bit more relevant as a whole?

As bad as our football program is right now. It is still the highest attended sport at the University. If you take into account that we already spent the money to have relatively good infrastructure in place (stadium, indoor practice facility, and dubin family athletic center) we would gain very little by cutting the sport.

Rather than cut I think we have to wait it out. I suspect that when the implosion finally happens there will be a lot of smaller private/public schools that won't be able to offer FBS/FCS football. There will be some consolidation and we will be able to benefit from that as a large AAU flagship State University.

You don't know what the actual football attendance number is because that is always a fudged number made by someone in the dept when they have to put a number down. That is a fact.

Relevant to who? Look at the top schools in the conference with basketball. They don't have football.

Look at the revenue brought in by actual ticket sales if you can get that number. You cant.


You don't need official attendance numbers. Just being at LaValle on any given saturday you can immediately tell that there is more than 4,000 people there (the capacity of IFCU). There is no doubt that Stony Brook football draws the most fans at SBU even when the stadium is less than 50% capacity.

I think you guys are jumping the gun by supporting this idea to cut football. Sending that money to basketball won't help IMO.

I think we need to wait it out and support an all-sports athletic department. This isn't Hofstra or VCU

I have pictures of the stands from last years football games. 4000 people? Not even close. Maybe 500. If I knew how to post a picture on here I'd show you. Whats the actual revenue from ticket sales? And if you want to brag about 4000 people at a football game...
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on August 08, 2023, 03:22:47 pm
I would not mourn if football goes away. SB doesn’t have the DNA to be a major sports school. That ship has sailed. Much better to specialize and focus on developing basketball. A top 25 hoops program will generate much greater student and community interest…and cost a lot less.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 08, 2023, 03:55:35 pm
Guys, lets take a step back.

There are plenty of state schools like New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, North Dakota State, and so on that have been operating FCS programs for decades. And they will continue to do so. And that's completely acceptable.

This idea that a football program should be cut because we cannot compete at a Power-5 level is wrongful and even a corruption of what collegiate athletics was supposed to be in the first place.

I understand the fan base being pissed that we are having sub .500 seasons. We should be winning more games for sure. But expecting every program to be Power-5 or cut their program would greatly reduce opportunities for the thousands of student-athletes that don't go PRO when its all said and done.

The original mission of collegiate athletics wasn't to just been seen on TV by millions of fans across the country. Yeah, who doesn't want to be popular and in the AP Top25 every week. But that bar will remain unattainable for most college football programs. That doesn't mean that we need to cut them all and turn everything into a semi-pro model.

That's why I strongly believe that the NCAA should breakaway from the Power-5. The power-5 should go full pro. The non-power 5 should return to a model that more truly reflects the concept of the student-athlete. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on August 08, 2023, 04:04:12 pm
“There are plenty of state schools like New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, North Dakota State, and so on that have been operating FCS programs for decades. And they will continue to do so. And that's completely acceptable.”

“Completely acceptable” is not, and should, not be the goal. Excellence in both the classroom and arena is. That is more likely to be achieved by focusing the athletics program on what brings the greatest returns.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 08, 2023, 04:12:51 pm
“There are plenty of state schools like New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, North Dakota State, and so on that have been operating FCS programs for decades. And they will continue to do so. And that's completely acceptable.”

“Completely acceptable” is not, and should, not be the goal. Excellence in both the classroom and arena is. That is more likely to be achieved by focusing the athletics program on what brings the greatest returns.

The problem is the way that the average casual fan and college administrator is defining these concepts nowadays:

(1) excellence
(2) greatest returns

excellence should be about developing well rounded student-athletes that develop in the field and also in the classroom. If you want to define collegiate athletic excellence solely on wins and losses then colleges should have no involvement in sports altogether.

Defining returns only in monetary (profit) terms is a corruption of what primary/secondary and college sports are meant for. and if you insist in defining it on profit alone then primary/secondary schools and colleges should have no part on offering athletics altogether and should be left to privately funded academies.

This is why the model sucks and needs to be reset. You have a bunch of colleges investing in athletics for corrupted reasons. You have a bunch of administrators and coaches making a ton of money from this corruption because the model hasn't stayed true to the concept of the student athlete and amateurism.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on August 08, 2023, 04:24:11 pm
“Returns” are not only financial but also in terms of publicity, name recognition, and school spirit. A top 20 FCS program? Most people aren’t impressed. A top 20 basketball program? That gets national attention.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 08, 2023, 05:24:26 pm
Guys, lets take a step back.

There are plenty of state schools like New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, North Dakota State, and so on that have been operating FCS programs for decades. And they will continue to do so. And that's completely acceptable.

This idea that a football program should be cut because we cannot compete at a Power-5 level is wrongful and even a corruption of what collegiate athletics was supposed to be in the first place.

I understand the fan base being pissed that we are having sub .500 seasons. We should be winning more games for sure. But expecting every program to be Power-5 or cut their program would greatly reduce opportunities for the thousands of student-athletes that don't go PRO when its all said and done.

The original mission of collegiate athletics wasn't to just been seen on TV by millions of fans across the country. Yeah, who doesn't want to be popular and in the AP Top25 every week. But that bar will remain unattainable for most college football programs. That doesn't mean that we need to cut them all and turn everything into a semi-pro model.

That's why I strongly believe that the NCAA should breakaway from the Power-5. The power-5 should go full pro. The non-power 5 should return to a model that more truly reflects the concept of the student-athlete.

Who ever said that SBU needs to compete with a power 5 school. SBU only has one FBS win. In its entirety, against lonely army.
Most on this board are talking about SBU just being competitive in the FCS. Win something and don’t get destroyed against subpar G5 school in the FBS!! Is that asking for much? I think not
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 08, 2023, 05:57:25 pm
I would not mourn if football goes away. SB doesn’t have the DNA to be a major sports school. That ship has sailed. Much better to specialize and focus on developing basketball. A top 25 hoops program will generate much greater student and community interest…and cost a lot less.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on August 09, 2023, 06:01:45 pm
I would not mourn if football goes away. SB doesn’t have the DNA to be a major sports school. That ship has sailed. Much better to specialize and focus on developing basketball. A top 25 hoops program will generate much greater student and community interest…and cost a lot less.

Agree 100%

There's no need to kill the football program to focus on hoops though. Villanova for instance has a top shelf hoops program, but is extremely competitive in the FCS. I'd rather us adopt that model.

With our current leadership at best we drop football and wind up being being a school with crappy basketball and no football program  ;D
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 10, 2023, 07:23:20 am
I would not mourn if football goes away. SB doesn’t have the DNA to be a major sports school. That ship has sailed. Much better to specialize and focus on developing basketball. A top 25 hoops program will generate much greater student and community interest…and cost a lot less.

Agree 100%

There's no need to kill the football program to focus on hoops though. Villanova for instance has a top shelf hoops program, but is extremely competitive in the FCS. I'd rather us adopt that model.

With our current leadership at best we drop football and wind up being being a school with crappy basketball and no football program  ;D


Villanova is a private school, and wont tolerate corruption, favoritism, and catering to the good boys club. Something NYS SUNY system is known for.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on August 10, 2023, 08:46:05 am
I would not mourn if football goes away. SB doesn’t have the DNA to be a major sports school. That ship has sailed. Much better to specialize and focus on developing basketball. A top 25 hoops program will generate much greater student and community interest…and cost a lot less.

Agree 100%

There's no need to kill the football program to focus on hoops though. Villanova for instance has a top shelf hoops program, but is extremely competitive in the FCS. I'd rather us adopt that model.

With our current leadership at best we drop football and wind up being being a school with crappy basketball and no football program  ;D

That's what I'm trying to say in a way. But I gave up.

looks like our fanbase here is all or nothing. I guess we are New Yorkers after all. Not exactly the most patient and forgiving populace.

We can thrive in the FCS with a good coach and good administration. In fact, we were thriving less than a decade ago. There is no reason why we can't get back to that level if our administrators work hard enough.

All we need is a few changes from top to bottom to get us back in the path of growth
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 10, 2023, 10:49:20 am
SOOOOOOO. I just read now that the CAA has invited Bryant University to the conference. I have seen it all now. This once, well-respected conference, is becoming the laughing stock. This is not just coming from me, but the FCS board is on fire, laughing uncontrollably.

https://herosports.com/caa-football-adds-bryant-bzbz/?fbclid=IwAR0BC1kF02yus7oM14rELrBb-9XGuB0KY5X2kuZQa1dVWFVDLBwBUbKlhto
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 10, 2023, 11:03:50 am
I would not mourn if football goes away. SB doesn’t have the DNA to be a major sports school. That ship has sailed. Much better to specialize and focus on developing basketball. A top 25 hoops program will generate much greater student and community interest…and cost a lot less.

Agree 100%

There's no need to kill the football program to focus on hoops though. Villanova for instance has a top shelf hoops program, but is extremely competitive in the FCS. I'd rather us adopt that model.

With our current leadership at best we drop football and wind up being being a school with crappy basketball and no football program  ;D

That's what I'm trying to say in a way. But I gave up.

looks like our fanbase here is all or nothing. I guess we are New Yorkers after all. Not exactly the most patient and forgiving populace.

We can thrive in the FCS with a good coach and good administration. In fact, we were thriving less than a decade ago. There is no reason why we can't get back to that level if our administrators work hard enough.

All we need is a few changes from top to bottom to get us back in the path of growth

"All or nothing"???? How about winning something? Maybe even make the playoffs once in a while. Nobody is saying anything about SB winning the FCS Championship. That cant, wont ever happen. Just stop being a laughing stock of the FCS. It's an embarrassment for fans supporting them
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 10, 2023, 11:11:24 am
SOOOOOOO. I just read now that the CAA has invited Bryant University to the conference. I have seen it all now. This once, well-respected conference, is becoming the laughing stock. This is not just coming from me, but the FCS board is on fire, laughing uncontrollably.

Fans are saying the CAA is now ranked 4th or 5th. Last year they were ranked 3. Keep watering down this conference with weak teams that has no winning tradition.

https://herosports.com/caa-football-adds-bryant-bzbz/?fbclid=IwAR0BC1kF02yus7oM14rELrBb-9XGuB0KY5X2kuZQa1dVWFVDLBwBUbKlhto
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on August 10, 2023, 12:37:42 pm
You've got to be f**king kidding me. Who approved this sh*t?

Why the hell would you want to be in the same conference as BRYANT? Bryant is one of the schools we get to come to us for an easy win because they're several leagues below us! Now you want to accept them as "equals"? Just terrible and embarrassing.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on August 10, 2023, 01:52:14 pm
The CAA seems to be morphing into an America East version of FCS football
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 10, 2023, 02:17:48 pm
The CAA seems to be morphing into an America East version of FCS football

The CAA is finished. First they make name change, that I find bizarre and wrong, and now they bring in a school like Bryant. Who’s next. Wagner???
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 10, 2023, 02:28:09 pm
i dont think it's that bad.  especially given all the moves happening all the time now. 

i think the hampton move was more of a headscratcher but i guess than can coexist.

https://stonybrookathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/opponent-history/bryant-university/46

Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Redwyn on August 10, 2023, 02:30:53 pm
The CAA seems to be morphing into an America East version of FCS football

The CAA is finished. First they make name change, that I find bizarre and wrong, and now they bring in a school like Bryant. Who’s next. Wagner???

Look, I'm not happy with a lot about SBU....but I'm totally fine with this. I think it makes sense.

There was a clear need for one more northern member to make CAA football "whole" and make travel reasonable. Remember, URI was very close to dropping scholarship football and I'm sure programs like Maine and UNH (both solid football programs in the CAA) didn't like the idea of regular travel to Campbell. A round number like 16 is a very reasonable number to build divisions around. It ALSO means that every member gets 7-8 conference games against their regional opponents, making it less challenging to get an ALL D1 non-conference schedule in place, with an FBS game and 2 non-conference D1 opponents.

I'm not sure where the hate is around Bryant either. It's ranked academically ahead of Monmouth, Marist, St. Bonaventure, Siena, and several other regional brands, it has obviously put a TON of money into athletics, its endowment is a few million less than that of Providence, and it has recently had a good deal of success and notoriety.

Yankee:
Maine
New Hampshire
Bryant
Stony Brook
Albany
Rhode Island
Monmouth
Villanova

Dixie:
Campbell
Elon
Hampton
William & Mary
NC A&T
Richmond
Delaware
Towson

So long as you make sure that Delaware and Villanova play each other yearly, I think every member would be very satisfied with that type of travel arrangement.

Me personally: I'd rather see Bryant joint for all sports as well. A better addition with a greater athletic commitment in my opinion than U Albany. It would give a geographic partner to Northeastern, which has always been a bit of an outlier.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on August 10, 2023, 02:38:47 pm
The CAA seems to be morphing into an America East version of FCS football

The CAA is finished. First they make name change, that I find bizarre and wrong, and now they bring in a school like Bryant. Who’s next. Wagner???

Look, I'm not happy with a lot about SBU....but I'm totally fine with this. I think it makes sense.

There was a clear need for one more northern member to make CAA football "whole" and make travel reasonable. Remember, URI was very close to dropping scholarship football and I'm sure programs like Maine and UNH (both solid football programs in the CAA) didn't like the idea of regular travel to Campbell. A round number like 16 is a very reasonable number to build divisions around. It ALSO means that every member gets 7-8 conference games against their regional opponents, making it less challenging to get an ALL D1 non-conference schedule in place, with an FBS game and 2 non-conference D1 opponents.

I'm not sure where the hate is around Bryant either. It's ranked academically ahead of Monmouth, Marist, St. Bonaventure, Siena, and several other regional brands, it has obviously put a TON of money into athletics, its endowment is a few million less than that of Providence, and it has recently had a good deal of success and notoriety.

Yankee:
Maine
New Hampshire
Bryant
Stony Brook
Albany
Rhode Island
Monmouth
Villanova

Dixie:
Campbell
Elon
Hampton
William & Mary
NC A&T
Richmond
Delaware
Towson

So long as you make sure that Delaware and Villanova play each other yearly, I think every member would be very satisfied with that type of travel arrangement.

Me personally: I'd rather see Bryant joint for all sports as well. A better addition with a greater athletic commitment in my opinion than U Albany. It would give a geographic partner to Northeastern, which has always been a bit of an outlier.

I know why the CAA is doing this as well, however. Diluting the conference and bringing in schools just because of their geography does nothing for the RSI of this conference. Schools like Bryant, and NC A&T severely weaken this conference.

Obviously, the CAA doesn't care about the athletics of the institution, but more about close proximity to other schools to play.

If you are comparing conferences. The larger conferences don't pay like this.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Redwyn on August 10, 2023, 02:50:23 pm
The CAA seems to be morphing into an America East version of FCS football

The CAA is finished. First they make name change, that I find bizarre and wrong, and now they bring in a school like Bryant. Who’s next. Wagner???

Look, I'm not happy with a lot about SBU....but I'm totally fine with this. I think it makes sense.

There was a clear need for one more northern member to make CAA football "whole" and make travel reasonable. Remember, URI was very close to dropping scholarship football and I'm sure programs like Maine and UNH (both solid football programs in the CAA) didn't like the idea of regular travel to Campbell. A round number like 16 is a very reasonable number to build divisions around. It ALSO means that every member gets 7-8 conference games against their regional opponents, making it less challenging to get an ALL D1 non-conference schedule in place, with an FBS game and 2 non-conference D1 opponents.

I'm not sure where the hate is around Bryant either. It's ranked academically ahead of Monmouth, Marist, St. Bonaventure, Siena, and several other regional brands, it has obviously put a TON of money into athletics, its endowment is a few million less than that of Providence, and it has recently had a good deal of success and notoriety.

Yankee:
Maine
New Hampshire
Bryant
Stony Brook
Albany
Rhode Island
Monmouth
Villanova

Dixie:
Campbell
Elon
Hampton
William & Mary
NC A&T
Richmond
Delaware
Towson

So long as you make sure that Delaware and Villanova play each other yearly, I think every member would be very satisfied with that type of travel arrangement.

Me personally: I'd rather see Bryant joint for all sports as well. A better addition with a greater athletic commitment in my opinion than U Albany. It would give a geographic partner to Northeastern, which has always been a bit of an outlier.

I know why the CAA is doing this as well, however. Diluting the conference and bringing in schools just because of their geography does nothing for the RSI of this conference. Schools like Bryant, and NC A&T severely weaken this conference.

Obviously, the CAA doesn't care about the athletics of the institution, but more about close proximity to other schools to play.

If you are comparing conferences. The larger conferences don't pay like this.

I don't necessarily agree that Bryant football dilutes the conference. I also would argue that there are really no other good options that aren't in stable conferences to add. Who else is left? FCS is consolidating like the FBS into conferences that can compete, and conferences that can't. The classic "competitor conferences" are the ones that are stable vs. expanding: MVFC, Big Sky, CAA and SoCon. Southland used to be another, but I argue that their best pieces are now in this United conference that's trying to get to FBS. Then you have a few conferences that are mission-based and generally stable: Patriot, Ivy, MEAC/SWAC.

The only "poachable" players are in the Big South/OVC, NEC, Pioneer, or D2. I looked through the list. There is NO ONE you would want to add from there. Robert Morris is the only program with mild regionality, but I lived in Pittsburgh, it's not a program you want in the CAA.

My **guess** is that this move to 16 is consolidating the CAA to make it as prepared for re-alignment as possible. The only school of that group that has a prayer at this current iteration of FBS is Delaware, and they don't seem to be keen on moving (and if they do, expect Howard to fill the gap). As has been speculated before, when the power programs fully depart the NCAA, there will be reconsolidation of football along regional lines since the money won't benefit nation-wide conferences at this level. The CAA will be ready for this, and potentially competitive in that environment.

I think that is a very reasonable plan, and for the same reason I expect to see 2 more full members added. My guess is that they're Albany and Bryant.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on August 13, 2023, 09:27:09 pm
The CAA seems to be morphing into an America East version of FCS football

Precisely. I was for a few of the adds, but now we've gone way off the deep end by taking in programs like Campbell, Monmouth, Bryant.... what the hell are we doing?!??

Can we just go back to the AE, bring Delaware and Towson with us, start AE football, and pretend all this nonsense ever happened?
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: factorykitten on August 18, 2023, 06:31:26 pm
The CAA seems to be morphing into an America East version of FCS football

The CAA is finished. First they make name change, that I find bizarre and wrong, and now they bring in a school like Bryant. Who’s next. Wagner???

Look, I'm not happy with a lot about SBU....but I'm totally fine with this. I think it makes sense.

There was a clear need for one more northern member to make CAA football "whole" and make travel reasonable. Remember, URI was very close to dropping scholarship football and I'm sure programs like Maine and UNH (both solid football programs in the CAA) didn't like the idea of regular travel to Campbell. A round number like 16 is a very reasonable number to build divisions around. It ALSO means that every member gets 7-8 conference games against their regional opponents, making it less challenging to get an ALL D1 non-conference schedule in place, with an FBS game and 2 non-conference D1 opponents.

I'm not sure where the hate is around Bryant either. It's ranked academically ahead of Monmouth, Marist, St. Bonaventure, Siena, and several other regional brands, it has obviously put a TON of money into athletics, its endowment is a few million less than that of Providence, and it has recently had a good deal of success and notoriety.

Yankee:
Maine
New Hampshire
Bryant
Stony Brook
Albany
Rhode Island
Monmouth
Villanova

Dixie:
Campbell
Elon
Hampton
William & Mary
NC A&T
Richmond
Delaware
Towson

So long as you make sure that Delaware and Villanova play each other yearly, I think every member would be very satisfied with that type of travel arrangement.

Me personally: I'd rather see Bryant joint for all sports as well. A better addition with a greater athletic commitment in my opinion than U Albany. It would give a geographic partner to Northeastern, which has always been a bit of an outlier.

What makes you think the conference will realign itself? The commissioner is on record saying he does not want north/south divisions and likes seeing all the teams play each other. You dont join a better conference to save money on travel costs and if you need to you probably should have stayed where you were.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 18, 2023, 09:34:29 pm
https://udreview.com/reports-delaware-open-to-leaving-caa-for-move-up-to-fbs-conference-destination-yet-to-emerge/

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Judging by reports this month, the University of Delaware is sprucing up its athletic front door, which could open to a Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) conference — that is, should the conditions be right in the eyes of university leadership empowered to determine action on what would be the biggest move in athletic department history.

While no single FBS conference has been linked to an invitation the Blue Hens’ way, Delaware is continuing to push in the realm of facilities that make it plenty FBS-worthy. The university is in the midst of quiet fundraising for a project that would, at the fan level, reimagine Delaware Stadium’s north end zone seating structure. Additionally, it would construct a new indoor facility beyond that seating, relocating team offices and locker rooms in the process with modernization relative to existing Delaware Field House accommodations.

Delaware has yet to publicly launch fundraising efforts for this phase of athletic complex renovations (its second since the Whitney Athletic Center construction), but it has twice referred to “an upcoming facilities project” in the course of announcing “major gift” athletic department donations. The first such donation came from retired NFL player and Delaware product Nasir Adderley and most recently, the language was used by the university in its release sharing news of the gift by fellow football alumnus Matt Nagy.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on September 22, 2023, 07:44:07 pm
https://udreview.com/reports-delaware-open-to-leaving-caa-for-move-up-to-fbs-conference-destination-yet-to-emerge/

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Judging by reports this month, the University of Delaware is sprucing up its athletic front door, which could open to a Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) conference — that is, should the conditions be right in the eyes of university leadership empowered to determine action on what would be the biggest move in athletic department history.

While no single FBS conference has been linked to an invitation the Blue Hens’ way, Delaware is continuing to push in the realm of facilities that make it plenty FBS-worthy. The university is in the midst of quiet fundraising for a project that would, at the fan level, reimagine Delaware Stadium’s north end zone seating structure. Additionally, it would construct a new indoor facility beyond that seating, relocating team offices and locker rooms in the process with modernization relative to existing Delaware Field House accommodations.

Delaware has yet to publicly launch fundraising efforts for this phase of athletic complex renovations (its second since the Whitney Athletic Center construction), but it has twice referred to “an upcoming facilities project” in the course of announcing “major gift” athletic department donations. The first such donation came from retired NFL player and Delaware product Nasir Adderley and most recently, the language was used by the university in its release sharing news of the gift by fellow football alumnus Matt Nagy.

Also rumors on conference realignment board is that Charleston may join A10 next year, but waiting to announce in order to not get postseason ban.

If Delaware and UMass do move to the MAC, we can do lot worse than riding their coattails to MAC. Add another eastern school like Albany/Towson and it’s a decent league. Highly doubt that we would be proactive though.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on September 28, 2023, 05:50:48 pm
With all the uncertainty around the College Football playoff, NIL, realignment, etc, I don't think moving to FBS will have the draw it once did. Sure they're looking to move to a 5+7 model meaning one G5 a year will have access in the 12 team playoff, but honestly.... once the gulf between the SEC/B1G grows large enough, do you really think they won't bolt? Come on.....
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ry1nik on September 28, 2023, 06:31:24 pm
https://udreview.com/reports-delaware-open-to-leaving-caa-for-move-up-to-fbs-conference-destination-yet-to-emerge/

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Judging by reports this month, the University of Delaware is sprucing up its athletic front door, which could open to a Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) conference — that is, should the conditions be right in the eyes of university leadership empowered to determine action on what would be the biggest move in athletic department history.

While no single FBS conference has been linked to an invitation the Blue Hens’ way, Delaware is continuing to push in the realm of facilities that make it plenty FBS-worthy. The university is in the midst of quiet fundraising for a project that would, at the fan level, reimagine Delaware Stadium’s north end zone seating structure. Additionally, it would construct a new indoor facility beyond that seating, relocating team offices and locker rooms in the process with modernization relative to existing Delaware Field House accommodations.

Delaware has yet to publicly launch fundraising efforts for this phase of athletic complex renovations (its second since the Whitney Athletic Center construction), but it has twice referred to “an upcoming facilities project” in the course of announcing “major gift” athletic department donations. The first such donation came from retired NFL player and Delaware product Nasir Adderley and most recently, the language was used by the university in its release sharing news of the gift by fellow football alumnus Matt Nagy.

Also rumors on conference realignment board is that Charleston may join A10 next year, but waiting to announce in order to not get postseason ban.

If Delaware and UMass do move to the MAC, we can do lot worse than riding their coattails to MAC. Add another eastern school like Albany/Towson and it’s a decent league. Highly doubt that we would be proactive though.
How many prestigious, nationally acclaimed universities are in the MAC? Exactly zero. It would be a money suck with no real benefit. The funds could be put to better use elsewhere at SBU.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 29, 2023, 10:02:28 am
With all the uncertainty around the College Football playoff, NIL, realignment, etc, I don't think moving to FBS will have the draw it once did. Sure they're looking to move to a 5+7 model meaning one G5 a year will have access in the 12 team playoff, but honestly.... once the gulf between the SEC/B1G grows large enough, do you really think they won't bolt? Come on.....

ecasado and i agree. https://sbufan.createaforum.com/general-discussion/other-conferences'-rumors/msg40151/?topicseen#msg40151

(update- i forgot to add the success at cincy and south fla too in the reformed big east)
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 27, 2023, 12:37:10 pm
Delaware to CUSA for the 2025-26 season?

Pete Thamel on twitter said an announcement could be made over the next few days.


IMO this really sucks for the CAA and Stony Brook. The only all-sports flagship state university other than Stony Brook is leaving the CAA. We are slowly getting stuck with mid-tier state/private universities. The only public school with a solid academic reputation left would be W&M which happens to have a terrible athletic program
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on November 27, 2023, 04:55:05 pm
Looks like all the good FCS teams from northeast/mid-Atlantic region joining FBS. JMU, Delaware. I’m guessing CAA’s play is now to invite Albany or Fairfield for all sports. Will they reciprocate the interest to a depleted CAA? Especially if rumored Charleston to A10 come true.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 28, 2023, 08:48:43 am
Increasingly regretting this move to the CAA even though I was on board since day I.

Perhaps CAA Football + America East was the better combination for us after all.

I hope the CAA doesn't continue to backfill with crappy programs.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Accelerator on November 28, 2023, 11:36:59 am
Increasingly regretting this move to the CAA even though I was on board since day I.

Perhaps CAA Football + America East was the better combination for us after all.

I hope the CAA doesn't continue to backfill with crappy programs.

I was pretty satisfied when it was just the first 12 teams. Although we didn't need Hampton and it came out later that they were only added in order to entice Howard, who backed out of their agreement to join too. So replace them with a more respectable program and that would have been ideal.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on December 01, 2023, 02:38:41 am
Delaware to CUSA for the 2025-26 season?

Pete Thamel on twitter said an announcement could be made over the next few days.


IMO this really sucks for the CAA and Stony Brook. The only all-sports flagship state university other than Stony Brook is leaving the CAA. We are slowly getting stuck with mid-tier state/private universities. The only public school with a solid academic reputation left would be W&M which happens to have a terrible athletic program

It's a matter of timing. If we were ANY good and Heilbron knew what he was doing Football would be firing on all cylinders and we'd either be moving up with Delaware, or had gone FBS with JMU when they moved.

We've allowed ourselves to get completely lapped. Liberty, Coastal Carolina, JMU, and now Delaware are all FBS and have left us behind....

This is goddamn EMBARASSING
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ecasadoSBU on December 01, 2023, 12:34:48 pm
Definitely a crappy situation for our athletic department right now. All our athletic peers are moving up and we are stuck with these little colleges/universities that we have no business competing with. But that's our reality for the time being.

I still think the whole model will blow up soon. Well, I hope so. The whole FCS - FBS thing is meaningless now. I see a future where it will be the Power 4 (FBS - profit generating) and then basically everyone else (G5 + FCS - the money losers). 

To me, the current FCS - FBS divisions make no sense. The criterias are outdated (65 vs 85 schollies? really? Is that really what is driving competitive differences between programs nowadays? Everyone can afford a few more schollies. That doesn't separate the haves from the have-nots anymore) and easily circumvented (attendance - 15k average? Yeah, sure. Everyone is faking numbers anyway).


I would love to see the Northeast Non-P4 Universities align in one football-playing conference. That's the best we can shoot for in this pro-sports and college-basketball centric region.

Massachusetts
Buffalo
Army
Stony Brook
Temple
Villanova (maybe - They are private and small. I don't mind leaving them out)
Albany
Connecticut
Maine
New Hampshire
Rhode Island

That would be one heck of a conference in my opinion. At least for Northeast standards. I would gladly go to games to watch that level of competition.

Unfortunately a lot of these schools still have big dreams of chasing top dollars without realizing the bus has left them a long time ago (Looking at you UConn, Temple)
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: sbupatriots on December 01, 2023, 11:15:07 pm
Pretty crazy Temple plays at Lincoln Financial and had only 10,000 in attendance against a really good Memphis team. Rutgers (and maybe Syracuse?) is the only hope for Northeast college football.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on December 03, 2023, 03:15:04 pm
Liberty finishes 13-0 in CUSA and goes to the Fiesta Bowl against Oregon on Jan 1....

Meanwhile JMU finishes 11-1 and will be due for a bowl here shortly...

It's absolutely pathetic how programs who we used to compete with and frequently beat 10 years ago have now lapped us multiple times over. This is infuriating.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: factorykitten on December 12, 2023, 04:43:31 pm
Liberty finishes 13-0 in CUSA and goes to the Fiesta Bowl against Oregon on Jan 1....

Meanwhile JMU finishes 11-1 and will be due for a bowl here shortly...

It's absolutely pathetic how programs who we used to compete with and frequently beat 10 years ago have now lapped us multiple times over. This is infuriating.

you should ask shawn heilbron how this happened.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Hammertime on December 12, 2023, 05:32:14 pm
Liberty finishes 13-0 in CUSA and goes to the Fiesta Bowl against Oregon on Jan 1....

Meanwhile JMU finishes 11-1 and will be due for a bowl here shortly...

It's absolutely pathetic how programs who we used to compete with and frequently beat 10 years ago have now lapped us multiple times over. This is infuriating.

you should ask shawn heilbron how this happened.

lol. It doesn’t fit SBU narrative
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on February 29, 2024, 10:49:10 am
UMass is headed from the A-10 to the MAC for all sports (except hockey I'm guessing/I hope). That drops the A-10 to 14 teams. You wonder if they're content there or if they're still looking at adding a couple. There are a lot of sub-FBS/non-football schools in that conference, and we have a few attractive schools who fit that mold in our conference including, well, us . Yeah, but really, not happening.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1762198328673006013

Man, even the CAA (19) is ranked higher than the MAC (24) in KenPom conferences right now.

UMass basketball enthusiasts are not pleased. In the KenPom ratings, you can list off seven A-10 schools before you reach Akron at #100, and another three A-10s before reaching a second MAC team. Does Frank Martin skip town? Can they recruit at the same level? I dunno. I'm skeptical.

Here's a good rundown of what it all means for the program. All you need to know is that UMass Lowell is in a better basketball conference than UMass. On Saturday, they had their best crowd in years .... YEARS (7,000+) ... and this news broke two days later. Brutal.

https://www.masslive.com/umassfootball/2024/02/umass-move-to-mac-is-brutal-blow-to-its-mens-basketball-program-vautour.html

Delaware and UMass together to MAC would have been a more logical addition to MAC. Delaware must be regretting now for making the move too early to a far flung CUSA.

So now that MAC is sitting on 13, and logic says that they will add another one, will the 14th team come from northeast? Does this open the door for Stony Brook to FBS? I say our AD should at least have a talk with MAC. In Buffalo and UMass, there are peer schools in proximity in place. I would even root for all SUNY 4 centers to be in MAC ;D!!
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: VA_Seawolf on March 05, 2024, 01:24:50 am
UMass is headed from the A-10 to the MAC for all sports (except hockey I'm guessing/I hope). That drops the A-10 to 14 teams. You wonder if they're content there or if they're still looking at adding a couple. There are a lot of sub-FBS/non-football schools in that conference, and we have a few attractive schools who fit that mold in our conference including, well, us . Yeah, but really, not happening.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1762198328673006013

Man, even the CAA (19) is ranked higher than the MAC (24) in KenPom conferences right now.

UMass basketball enthusiasts are not pleased. In the KenPom ratings, you can list off seven A-10 schools before you reach Akron at #100, and another three A-10s before reaching a second MAC team. Does Frank Martin skip town? Can they recruit at the same level? I dunno. I'm skeptical.

Here's a good rundown of what it all means for the program. All you need to know is that UMass Lowell is in a better basketball conference than UMass. On Saturday, they had their best crowd in years .... YEARS (7,000+) ... and this news broke two days later. Brutal.

https://www.masslive.com/umassfootball/2024/02/umass-move-to-mac-is-brutal-blow-to-its-mens-basketball-program-vautour.html

Delaware and UMass together to MAC would have been a more logical addition to MAC. Delaware must be regretting now for making the move too early to a far flung CUSA.

So now that MAC is sitting on 13, and logic says that they will add another one, will the 14th team come from northeast? Does this open the door for Stony Brook to FBS? I say our AD should at least have a talk with MAC. In Buffalo and UMass, there are peer schools in proximity in place. I would even root for all SUNY 4 centers to be in MAC ;D!!

If that were ever gonna happen, this kind of move by Umass would be the first domino.... had this happened say a decade ago and our athletic department hadn't fallen off a cliff, I'd say us moving to the MAC would be a done deal

But yeah makes you wonder why Delaware jumped to CUSA. MAC is better than current CUSA, but maybe Delaware thinks they can land in the Sun Belt soon? IDK. With all the shuffling going on at the P5 level, the new playoff, talk of the Big Ten and SEC breaking away.... I honestly think if anything we should stay put. Hell, hindsight says maybe stay in the AE and see how this all shakes out because all the movement is by no means done.

I think if when all is said and done we wind up in a league with Buffalo, UMass, Temple, Delaware, etc I think that's a great end state. What it takes to get there and what that looks like in the interim I don't know.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: sbupatriots on March 05, 2024, 08:21:26 am
I like that the next step from CAA has consistently been FBS. The next step from AE has been CAA so I think the CAA move was necessary. Just taking a look at the FBS conferences, there's not really a good geographical fit besides the MAC and would that even excite us? When was the last MAC team to improve as a program and move up from the MAC? Seems like a bit of a dead end. Maybe if the American conference added a few northeast schools that would make sense but it's pretty much a sun belt conference now.
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 05, 2024, 12:55:49 pm
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I think if when all is said and done we wind up in a league with Buffalo, UMass, Temple, Delaware, etc I think that's a great end state. What it takes to get there and what that looks like in the interim I don't know.

in a lot of ways, these are good, localized peers that we could build rivalries with- that we largely dont have now.  we'd need a northeast connection to save on travel costs, bring in fans, recruits, etc.  we're not at the level where we are meant to be paired up against B10 teams, etc. 
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: ibosbu on March 07, 2024, 11:32:01 am
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/2019/11/19/20972679/mac-midweek-games-maction-television-networks-fan-experience

Read this interesting article. We don’t get much student support anyway. May be being on National TV on weeknights wouldn’t be so bad? MACtion baby
Title: Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 07, 2024, 12:03:53 pm
before the MAC- the Big East did it.  after they reformed 20 years ago, teams like cincy, louisville, and SF tried this, and it worked.

it helped that WV was good, Rutgers made a run, etc.  We dont have that luxury.  but i tuned in on thursdays and saw those teams.  a smart move.