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Title: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 07, 2013, 09:13:22 am
For years ive wracked my brain on what SB can do to make the experience and the campus even better.  They do so many things right.  And we discuss ad nauseum.  I do think there are some things they can do better.  Along with this, i do understand that things are easier said than done, and that with a large state institution, things like red tape, local residents, NCAA regs, funding, etc. all get in the way. 

I started to think about this because of the other thread about building a college town in SB.  Here's some ideas im curious for your thoughts:

-Quads: This may sound silly, and purely aesthetic, but the classic university feel is to have open grass fields with the crossing paths, whether in the academic mall or dorms.  How expensive can this be?  http://fe.fs.cornell.edu/img/mainPage/ArtsQuad.jpg

-Halls: other than Harriman Hall, we dont name our schools nor our buildings as halls.  Bring in some donors, put their names on the schools, call it a hall.  I know this is a public school, but its done for dorms, so lets do it for buildings.  Staller Hall.  Pritchard Hall.  Dubin Hall.  Etc.   Take our presidents' names to make the example- Toll Hall, Marburger Hall, Kenny Hall, Stanley Hall.

-Schools: same as above, we have an arts & sciences school, slap a name on it.  Take the engineering school, for example, think about it.  The Casado School of Engineering!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stony_Brook_University#Colleges_and_professional_schools

-Tower: i guess we have a tower now with the Wang Center right?  Something that when kids today go to google images and plug in SB, they will immediately recognize our campus with an identifiable something.  Im talking about something that's smack in the middle of campus, perhaps a giant clocktower.  Long term project.

-Stone/Brick buildings: i know this is not our thing, as we are not the traditional private university.  But i dont believe that kids would rather go to school in a super modern glass building than something like this: http://conmedisys.com/img/12/128/Virtual_Tour_Perkins_Library_Duke_University.jpg

-NYC Club: we cant yet afford our own club, however, with the large alumni base working/living in the NYC area, we should tap this.  There are clubs that allow any university grad (maybe the University Club?) but SB should in the future try and foster a relationship with an existing club, and hold events there.  For example, the Cornell Club has reciprocity with Gtown and a few other schools.

-Campus Housing: kids are either relegated to the dorms or somewhere in a suburban house a few towns away.  We need to find how we can get more apartments on/near campus to enhance the experience.  The atmosphere will remain the same if kids live in Selden, and others in Sound Beach, for example.  I know for a fact that freshman are routinely tripled up in dorms.  This can even become a cash cow.  Or privatize the operation, whatever.

-College Town: other than PJ, which is a few miles away, weve already discussed the building of a college town, which could likely only happen on 25a, or perhaps in some of the open space they have immediately south of main campus, or perhaps in the open space near Nicholls Road.  Perhaps more student housing could go here as well in the future.  Look at this map and tell me we dont have the space: http://tinyurl.com/agyyy59

-Hierarchy: when i got to SB, there were no "freshman dorms".  I lived amongst sophomores, seniors, freshman, everything.  Get all the freshmen into the Mendelsohn and H Quads, building relationships right from the getgo.  These are the corridors, not the private suites where you dont meet as many people.  Then give them the option to move up to the other nicer apartments.  Dont have freshmen living with seniors, different interests.  Then make those dorms your target for getting kids out to games and events (right near the stadium!).  Enforce the honors dorms (Roth Quad) and make it something to shoot form.

-Tradition: we are relatively young and deficient when it comes to tradition.  I dont even know where to start.  Cornell has an entire page dedicated to Cornelliana.  In time we will have it.  But we need to start building this now.  Do we have a statue anywhere on campus?  We need our students to build these, i understand, but we also should start taking some queues from other universities on this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelliana

-Legends: this one we have covered- the bridge to nowhere, the Melville Library was built backwards, etc.  Unfortunately for us, both are not the "good" kind of legends.  Again, mostly up to the students.

-Rivalry: we have at times built rivalries, but since conferences change, we havent had steady rivals.  SJU/Hof dropped football, Hof wont play us in other sports, BU is leaving the AE, we are leaving the Big South, and we may leave the AE in the future.  We need to have a rivalry week and get the students fired up, or something like that.

-Student Activities: many other schools enhance the student experience by having things like senior week, theme weekends, school sponsored activities, etc.  We dont do enough of this, or, the ones they do students arent interested in.  The Roth Regatta is great, but most students dont go.  And the Strawberry Fest isnt something to get all that excited about (and i like strawberries). 

-Weekends: this has always been a problem because kids are from the NYC area and can easily get the train home on thursday afternoon.  Maybe start admitting kids from out of state (more $$$) or from further away, to entice kids to stay on campus.  From what i understand, decades ago this wasnt a problem, but during the Marburger years the campus has quieted down and has never recovered.

-Fight Song: we finally got a fight song, and the kids are learning it at games.  But what we need is for kids is a little brainwashing if you will, like give out posters with the lyrics, send emails that link to the mp3, get people to listen to it.  Same for the alma mater.  Play them both over the PA at LaValle and Pritchard, have the band play it more, have the band sing the words and let the students pick up on it.  http://tinyurl.com/abnyrgj

-A little brainwashing: right when kids arrive, put t-shirts in their welcome pack, buttons, a phone cover with the SB logo, get it everywhere.  You want them and their friends to see it everywhere.  Put bball schedules and football schedules in there, magnets for the fridge, everything, a key chain, a hat, whatever it takes.  Get a poster of the sports teams and give them out, kids will put them on their walls.

*I understand these ideas are mostly far fetched, expensive, and maybe even not welcome.  However, i will add to them, as i truly believe SB will become better and better!  Im trying to help, and rant at the same time.  Have at it....
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on February 07, 2013, 09:38:53 am
Chairman, As usual you come up with great ideas and insights. Your opinions are always right on and I think you should forward this thesis over to the President of SBU,,,, Samuel L Stanley.. You never know what could happen. Tell him you have hundreds of followers from the Forum who agrees with a lot of your ideas
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on February 07, 2013, 11:03:29 am
While its almost impossible to build the traditional ivy university feel into the Stony Brook campus due to the architecture and era of campus growth (Brutalist architecture is very popular in campus and unless we destroy half of the campus we can't get rid of it) we can still take steps to enhance the campus

I will never forget walking to every UConn Dining hall and seeing the "Students Today, Huskies Forever" phrase... Something so simple, but it can build so much pride. Even I felt the pride as I walked into the Uconn Dining Halls and I never was a student... LOL...

Somethings that I saw at the University of Connecticut that impressed me:

1)All TVs controlled remotely which play UCONN games when they are on. No one has a choice. Those are UCONN Sports TVs when its Gametime
2)Couches that all have the "Huskies" and "UC" logo in every lounge
3)School colors used everywhere
4)upcoming Game Ads in the Dining tables everywhere on campus
5)A large marketplace next to the Gampel Pavilion with a wide selection of Huskies gear
6)Everything is named after the Huskies: HuskyVision (Cable service), HuskyBucks (Campus Cash), HuskyTV (Campus TV Channel), etc, etc, etc. Everything named with Huskies as a prefix is an excelent idea. This kids are brainwashed by the second day of school. My GF attends the University so I know...
7)They also have a great Student Union.... Our Union SUCKS! There is no way around it. The SU we currently have does not fit the profile of a national university. this is priority. We should get rid of the Union entirely and build a new five floor union with everything a student wants, all campus clubs, dining halls, movie screen, Game lounge, a TV lounge for game watch parties. Build Pride into every aspect of the Student Union.

Something to be aware of it is that the University of Connecticut is not a better school than Stony Brook University. But the perception of many of our students say otherwise. We are an AAU university, massive research, and great graduate programs. But we lack in student life, pride/spirit. That is enough to make students choose UConn over SBU. That is why we need these things.

Simple steps that can build Stony Brook pride. The administration has to build a committee that takes this seriously.


Regarding architecture

1) Our campus should enhance the academic mall. While it may be too late to build an open grass field on such a narrow mall we can enhance the mall by extending the "east Plaza buildup" all the way across to the west up to the Earth and Space Science buildings. I don't like asphalt and it looks ugly right in the middle of campus. Build another Fountain in the circle between the SAC, Earth and Space in front of the Harriman Hall and renovated Old Chem building. That should be the center of campus

2) Renovate the Zebra Path. Make it wider and even more beautiful. Make it a source of pride for students by allowing the students to take charge on its renovation.

3) Knock down the northern part of ESS Building which blocks access and view to the western side of Campus (Physics, Math, Simons center) , necessary Overhaul of Harriman Hall. eliminate the huge parking strips and building Parking towers instead to save space.

4) Give the campus a more centralized feel. I know this is suburbia and the campus was build for easy car access but I hate the parking lots right in the middle of campus. I dislike Parking lots right behind Engineering, SAC, and Computer Science. Eliminate them and combine them into one. Replace with grass fields...

I got more things to add later on
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 07, 2013, 11:23:49 am
Ok this is why i suggested naming a school after you... these are the RIGHT ideas we need to implement!!!

I do understand that we cant become an Ivy, but i think we can borrow some aspects.

As for the architecture, no you cant tear buildings down, but, you can reface buildings in a certain manner, and/or you can eschew the super-modern look in new construction and go for the traditional.

UConn, while not exactly a rival and/or peer, has some GREAT examples.  I love the athletics schedules on the tables.  I love even more the mandated Stalin-istic make everyone watch the bball game on tv.  I love that LaValle has red seatbacks and so will the Arena, and yes EVERYTHING should be in scarlet & gray. 

Also, i very much applaud the Husky-everything naming convention.  Seawolves soda.  The wolf den for the locker rooms.  The canine lounge.  A german/austrian restaurant called Wolf-gangs.  Canine Cafeteria.  Bottles of wolfwater.  Water fountains should be wolfwells.  And so on....

I agree our union needs work, but first and foremost, it needs a powerwashing!

If they cant sell gear, GIVE IT AWAY to students.  Plaster SB logos on everything. 

Hammer- thanks for your kind words.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on February 07, 2013, 11:26:31 am
Yes I forgot. Uconn makes it own bottled water. are you f'cking serious. That was amazing. there is such thing as "UCONN WATER"... UConn Dairy barn which makes UConn Ice Cream... Amazing stuff that builds pride. We definitely can borrow some of these things.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 07, 2013, 11:29:45 am
Even more great ideas, eCasa!

I like making the circle in front of the SAC the center of campus.  Put up a clocktower, something. 

ESS is getting kinda rain-stained too and its ugly.  I also agree about the lots, but i figure thats an uphill battle as professors wont want to walk far (laziness).  Commuters will go nutso about that too.  Centralization is a great idea though.

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ry1nik on February 07, 2013, 01:44:11 pm
Binghamton (where I got grad degree) has a clock tower. Nice effect without having to buy an entire building.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 07, 2013, 01:45:28 pm
See?  Ry1nik gets where im going with this!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ry1nik on February 07, 2013, 01:46:56 pm
Haha, I'll tell President Stanley to "git 'er done!" over beers tonight!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 07, 2013, 01:55:26 pm
Whoa direct line to the Pres!!!  Wanna drop these ideas on him???  If you havent already!!!   ::)

I met Dr. Stanley recently, i got a great impression from him.

We could totally beat out this: http://www.youvisit.com/media/binghamtongrad/20020705_university02_ed.jpg
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ry1nik on February 07, 2013, 01:57:23 pm
Yeah, the one at Bingo is skimpy looking. I was thinking something more classical and sturdy looking.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 07, 2013, 02:00:35 pm
Me too.  Aim for the stars.  Duke U:
(http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/P13684548.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8049380874_3d878505ee_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 07, 2013, 10:32:41 pm
On the application- ask kids what will they do for the SB community?  Will they participate?  Do they have school spirit?  Give them some room to write freely on how much they care.  Will they be active alums?  Visit their alma mater?  Give preference to right answers. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 10, 2013, 03:49:20 pm
Another idea i came up with a few years ago- a flag.  I actually tried to make a huge one- and buy a stand, have it at tailgates, wave it around when we score.  Something so easy, we have the trackwork there, let's take advantage of it.

Think about it- scarlet, white, and gray.  This is about building identity.  Like when Hofstra had the dutch flag, it was on helmets, stickers, fridge magnets, heck it was right in the middle of the field at Shuart. 

Here's the Peruvian flag (of course, put in some gray):

(http://www.peru-facts.co.uk/Images/large%20peru%20flag.jpg)

I like that we did the classic interlocking SB logo.  Lets now have an alternate "logo"- btw i do love the profile Seawolf, that should still be around as well, as the tertiary color (dark blue).  This is about building an identity.  Am i making any sense???
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 10, 2013, 08:53:18 pm
I would like to see us promote some of the great medical and scientific research that is being done on  campus. Get it in the Newsday and the NY Times and get the word the word out there.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 11, 2013, 08:32:16 am
Yes- play to the strengths.

Here's another- we have a NYC campus.  Leverage it.  NYU, Cornell have hospitals in NYC.  Maybe we cant just compete that easily, but why not add some of the teaching hospital to the NYC campus?  We have it, lets use it.

Also, lets expand the NYC campus.  More classes (heck, lots of kids are a subway ride away).  This can then promote internships, where kids can go to school and work in the big city part of the day.  Kids with internships get jobs later on, its a fact.  Then they make zillions, and dump it back into SB.

I think we are silly if we dont have a presence in NYC, and let others come in and do so.  Not only are we nearby, but most of our alums are within a daily commute's distance.  In fact, many alums either live/work there, or both.  Its one of the world's greatest cities, and St John's and Pace managed a campus there, we need to build out ours.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 11, 2013, 08:33:15 am
And then, bball games at the Garden, double header women's then men's.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on February 11, 2013, 08:35:43 am
As expected SB Basketball BPI rankings is now down to 101...     They must and I mean must bounce back on Tuesday because on friday will be the real test of heart for our boys!!!!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 11, 2013, 10:16:54 am
And then, bball games at the Garden, double header women's then men's.

Thats a great idea.. Garden 1st choice but if not posible then I would love at the Barclay's too.
Even better if can play another NYC team.. like Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or St. Johns or Fordham etc.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 11, 2013, 04:46:21 pm
We really have  to selll ourselves better in the media capital of the planet. Expand our campus in Manhattan, promote our academics, our association with Brookhaven Labs and Cold Spring Harbor labs.  I mean Watson and Crick did their thing for DNA at Cold Spring Harbor. I had a bio prof who was graduate student their when they became famous she said it was like finding the Holy Grail. I get frustrated sometimes   when it seems we take a layed back approach 50 miles East of Manhattan
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 09:52:44 am
Another thought- it would be nice to have some sort of alternate unofficial moniker... ND has the golden domers, UVa has the wahoos, heck even Albany has the blue scoobies.  A few years ago i think i said marine canines somewhere and its too long...  This is all about branding.  Maybe we can borrow from Washington of UConn or any team that is similarly situated.

Weve got an original mascot.  Lets look at the tigers.  Auburn, Missouri, Clemson, LSU, and countless others.  We can come up with something cool to do.  Heck, in a few years, lets get an actual wolf and have him brought out on the field.  What could be cooler?  Then make contests for students (to boost attendance) where they get the run the wolf around the field at halftime, take photos, etc.  Maybe if you produce ticket stubs for every home game you get to do it, etc.  At Georgia, they have the bulldog (Uga), which i think they are up to Uga VII?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uga_%28mascot%29

(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/24-washington-huskies-mascot-dubs.jpg)

Building a brand- like the band, start getting the kids red/white striped rugby shirts and if they wear it to the game and sit in the student section, give out free snacks or something.  College kids like free food.  I think of Georgia tech and the bumble bee.  Or something easy, like a funny hat.  West Virginia they wear the coonskin cap, UMass has the colonial hat, etc.

Also, as far as fans in the audience go, Texas has the hook em horns, Florida has the gator chomp.  FSU has the tomahawk chop; we are penn state; ohio state dots the I; we need to come up with our own original something.  I dont know what it is.

(http://glennschool.osu.edu/news/dot_the_i/Ohioband.png)

Which brings me to- the athletic department MUST have a wolf statue somewhere near the Athletic Complex.  And not some cheesy cartoon wolf, a real one.  Hofstra has the lions near the gates of Shuart.  Penn State has a lion near their locker rooms.  How much can this cost? 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Honshu-wolf_statue.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 09:53:03 am
For football, lets figure out who are rivals are and will be.  And make a trophy game.  Paul Bunyon's axe.  The keg of nails.  The bronze boot.  The Stanford Axe.  the golden egg.  We can do something local, something so silly but its part of our identity.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_college_football_rivalry_games

Lets say we have a rivalry with... Rhode Island.  make a golden fish... or against Albany, a golden dog collar and chain, for example.  Or just do a Governor's Trophy against Albany, or Buffalo.   

(http://blog.wilsonkelseydesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Fish.jpg)

Or how about this- for the annual SB/UA game, a golden bone:

(http://www.lamp-post.co.uk/prodimages/petlondon/50117.jpg)
(http://image1.masterfile.com/em_w/01/71/68/700-01716878w.jpg)

This is about building an identity- we should start now so that we dont have to ten years from now.  These are low cost high reward ideas (at least, i think!).  ???
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 10:44:14 am
some great ideas Chairman.. I really like the rivalry games with trophy idea..especially against Albany! I hope someone from the Athletics office is reading these posts.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 10:47:33 am
Also like the red/white striped rugby shirts idea!! those Georgia tech fans look really cool on TV!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 10:53:13 am
I really like the Bowl of Bones idea.  Get a giant dog bowl, with alternating stripes of scarlet, gray, purple, and gold.  Fill it full of golden dog bones.  The winner gets it in a ceremony at the end of the annual SB/UA game, presented by the CAA commish, and the players can grab the bones and parade around the field with them.  Eventually to return them to the bowl, and then into a glass trophy case in their respective athletic complex.

Keep that glass display case right near the football locker room.  And on years when its empty, make sure the players see it every day.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 11:02:43 am
I really like the Bowl of Bones idea.  Get a giant dog bowl, with alternating stripes of scarlet, gray, purple, and gold.  Fill it full of golden dog bones.  The winner gets it in a ceremony at the end of the annual SB/UA game, presented by the CAA commish, and the players can grab the bones and parade around the field with them.  Eventually to return them to the bowl, and then into a glass trophy case in their respective athletic complex.

Keep that glass display case right near the football locker room.  And on years when its empty, make sure the players see it every day.

Awesome Idea.. You know I was thinking of the same, ie traveling trophy, when I learnt that both UA and SBU are going to be in CAAFB and will be playing every year. I was thinking more along something that represents the NY state.. so I was thinking hard and coming up with lame names like liberty trophy etc. But your "Bowl of Bones" is the best lol its catchy
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 11:06:06 am
Thanks again, im just ranting now.  Looks like you beat me to it!   :)

How about some funny fabricated latin name for the Seawolves- something to put on t-shirts, etc.  Caninus Aquis.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 11:08:01 am
One more point... if the AD or CAA dont do anything about it, I think we fans can pull it off. We can get in touch with Albany fans and create a cheap hand made trophy (cardboard bones perhaps!! we are used to making cardboard boat for Roth regatta) and present it to the winner. It takes only one year to get it noticed; once the management finds out that both set of Fanbases like it, then I am sure they will get a proper trophy.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 11:13:02 am
Sure, toy bones spraypainted gold (though we should do this right in the future).  Each bone has an engraved score and year of each game and recipient. 

Imagine Fiore and Priore and Stanley on the field together at LaValle receiving this after the buzzer?
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 11:19:14 am
Thanks again, im just ranting now.  Looks like you beat me to it!   :)

How about some funny fabricated latin name for the Seawolves- something to put on t-shirts, etc.  Caninus Aquis.

 ;D ;D Although Lupus is latin for wolf.. Caninus is dog. Not sure how to say "Sea".. Aquis would be water.. so Caninus Aquis is more like water dog lol  ???
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 11:21:30 am
Sure, toy bones spraypainted gold (though we should do this right in the future).  Each bone has an engraved score and year of each game and recipient. 

Imagine Fiore and Priore and Stanley on the field together at LaValle receiving this after the buzzer?

 ;D ;D ;D
Yes.. anything to start the tradition.. once it catches on. Then the schools will take care of rest just to keep generating the buzz..
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 11:25:46 am
actually i knew that, becuase in italian its Lupo.  but i think caninus is much better (its actually canis)!

remember, this isnt perfect latin, its meant to be funny and build a brand.   :D
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on February 12, 2013, 11:48:41 am
This are surely great ideas. Maybe we can formally write them down and submit to the Athletic department. A lot of these don't sound to costly either, they just require support from the administration. This is how traditions are built. But most traditions come from the fans, and WE are the fans of SBU. We gotta make this happen.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on February 12, 2013, 11:53:54 am
I really like the statue idea. Build a huge wolf statue and put it at the Main Entrance in the middle of the circle... How much could it really cost to build?
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
actually i knew that, becuase in italian its Lupo.  but i think caninus is much better (its actually canis)!

remember, this isnt perfect latin, its meant to be funny and build a brand.   :D

Then I am all for "Caninus Aquis"  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 12:06:36 pm
I was thinking of "Battle for the Bones". Before I make the suggestion thought of doing a quick google search.. alas its already used in two different rivalry games!!! :( :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_the_Bones
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_the_Bone

see the names of other rivalry games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_college_football_rivalry_games

The trophy name "the bones" is also already in use. We need to be more creative!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 12:11:01 pm
Dammit.

Bowl of Bones classic?

Bowl of Dog Bones?  Weve got the idea, now we just need the fine tuning.  Oh and the admin support!

For the wolf, i was thinking one at the main entrance of LaValle.  Fans rub the nose/tail on teh way in, until it tarnishes after years, good luck charm.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 12:16:37 pm
since its a budding rivalry.. can we really call it a classic?

But I am digging the "Bowl of Dog Bones"  ;D ;D ;D

"good luck charm" lol

Lot of good ideas
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 12:18:13 pm
Well thats not so much a "classic" as its an event that we are calling a classic.  After all, the game has gone on for years!

"The Bowl of Golden Dog Bones"

Penalty box could be called "the Pound", or perhaps the student section.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 12:21:41 pm
Are we doing one giant golden bone in a giant dog bowl or many smaller golden bones in the giant dog bowl?
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 12:24:54 pm
I dunno i was just ranting.  Details to be ironed out later.  8)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 12, 2013, 12:29:27 pm
Ok.. Once we have a solid plan, I will try to catch Priore's attention by email/twitter etc. Unless there is someone on this board who knows someone in the athletic department to present the idea to him directly. Otherwise, we fans can just go with the plan and invite Albany fans. I am sure they would excited too.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 03:07:04 pm
Wow i like the initiative!  I have some contacts, we discuss offline...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 12, 2013, 08:42:58 pm
I also should have said, that in terms of tradition, we do have things like the Zebra Path, though it would be better if students actually knew the story behind it.  I dont.

Also, working off the bone idea, years ago at the stadium they used to give out thunder sticks- can we make those to look like bones???

Wait, you can, thanks google:

(http://image.sportbuying.com/productd/94/2397354_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 21, 2013, 08:31:46 am
So tonight im headed to the Manhattan campus for an Alumni Focus Group.  Im summarizing our ideas (should they be relevant) and will share them with the group!  Any more ideas?

GO SB
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on February 21, 2013, 08:45:56 am
I really can't think of anything else at this time. You did compile a nice list of suggestions on this board and I think a few are of those suggestions will be considered . For one. I think a statue of out Mascot or something else, that's a symbol of SB University, at the entrance of Lavelle Stadium is a terrific idea.. I'm not so sure if a huge Bronze WOLFIE is what were looking for but they should get the idea though. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on February 21, 2013, 09:31:43 am
Fantastic news Chair!!! I'm glad you are sharing. And if you can promote this fan site do it also. LOL! We need as many fans as possible!

lets go seawolves!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 21, 2013, 09:39:23 am
but i am already ahead of you!  i summarized our ideas (inlcuding all the UConn stuff) and put it into an organized doc.  and then, i will refer them all to our publicily available discussion here.

want to read about it?  join our site!

GO SB!!!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 21, 2013, 10:17:27 am
Dont forget the The Bowl of Golden Dog Bones!!! great idea
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 21, 2013, 10:58:11 am
You know how Notre Dame fans/athlete's have a second nick name "Golden domers" in addition to "Fighting Irish". I think someone mentioned in this thread or some where else of us having a second nickname...
How about "the submarines"?

1) Seawolf is a submarine creature
2) there is a military submarine class named Seawolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf ..homage to our navy ..and intimidating
3) its unique!

Proper use:
1) the away section is filled with enthusiastic submarines
2) here comes the submaries
3) submarines are leading Albany by 30 with 2 minutes to go

lol

its corny.. but catchy i think
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 21, 2013, 11:07:35 am
the SubmarineRs?
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 21, 2013, 11:27:12 am
thanks..  "the SubmarineRs" works better :)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 21, 2013, 11:34:21 am
Just wanted to thank everyone for their ideas and input!  As we pick up more membership to the site, this will expand.  Lets make this is living thread and keep updating it!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 21, 2013, 11:36:22 am
Other unofficial famous nicknames:

Fighting Irish/Golden Domers
Razorbacks/Hogs
Trojans/Men of Troy
Tigers/Bayou Bengals
Jayhawks/Fighting Manginos

so we can go:
Seawolves/Submariners
Seawolves/Red Submariners
Seawolves/Prowling Submariners lol
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: iBOsbu on February 21, 2013, 11:49:45 am
Just wanted to thank everyone for their ideas and input!  As we pick up more membership to the site, this will expand.  Lets make this is living thread and keep updating it!

Thank YOU for starting this thread! I am just dumping my good and bad ideas here.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 22, 2013, 08:47:03 am
So i went last night- it was more of a how do we get alums to connect with the university, less of just give us your ideas.  But thats ok i gave them our ideas anyway.  It was run by a Boston ad company.

It was intimate, as in only 3 other alums, all of which were great people and very accomplished.  We talked for almost 2 hours about feedback on the alumni process, what the university could do better, how do we sell the university on new students, etc. 

I summarized all of our ideas into a packet, discussed a few major ones, and gave them the entire packet.

It was really great to meet other alums- like yourselves- that are so focused on making SB better. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 22, 2013, 08:49:15 am
Which brings me to another idea-

Alumni Email- other universities, when you graduate, your email automatically becomes dot-alumni and you have it forever.  Its not exactly benevolent; its a way to solicit donations, but also to keep people informed. 

One of the points that repeatedly came up last night was- SB is great / not enough people know.  So with that i thought- what a tragedy.  Our issue isnt acheiving greatness; its that we have and we cant get the word out. 

Wouldnt the above idea help.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on February 22, 2013, 10:46:51 am
Yes it would. we should have alumni e-mail. sounds like a great idea to me!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: jaghatai on February 22, 2013, 11:16:04 pm
Technically, we had an ESPN sponsored "Battle" game a few years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_for_the_Butter

I personally preferred "Mobsters vs Lobsters".

There are plenty of SBU legends, none of them that I can think of paint SBU in a positiive light (Sherman Raftenburg and the Physics building basement debacle are the biggest two that come to mind).

I love the alumni email idea, the wolf statue, the flag, all of it!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 23, 2013, 10:01:36 am
Yeah but there mike and mike were mocking us and Maine of course...

I do need to hear more about this physics bldg story though!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 23, 2013, 10:10:24 am
Thanks jag did some reading on it.  Never heard of it. I also found this http://www.sbindependent.org/campus-mythology/
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 23, 2013, 10:26:15 am
Heard this one when I was a kid but never at sb http://smithtown.patch.com/blog_posts/long-islands-legends-and-myths-marys-grave
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: jaghatai on February 23, 2013, 09:05:27 pm
The myth of the physics basement...

There are underground tunnels that connect Harriman, the Physics building, and the ISC.  According to legend, of course, the basement of the building actually stretches completely underneath the physics green.  They completed the basement, then ran out of money to build the rest of the building on top of it, so they put the lawn there until they could finish it.  The university officials were embarassed about it and covered the whole thing up and sealed the section off.  The finished section has a few entrances and typically it's used by the professors for "special projects" that aren't covered by their grants.  Those projects occasionally emit stuff that aren't healthy, which is why you see random brown patches on the lawn at weird times.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 25, 2013, 09:38:17 am
I got to campus early for the lax game so i walked around campus- again, the place is 75x better than it looked 15 years ago. 

I did however walk in between Harriman Hall and Old Chem and there is a giant rusted chemical tank that needs to go or at least be covered up.  Awful.  I think its the VDG accelerator.  Please, paint it.

There are many quads both academic and dormitory that they really should just wipe out the concrete and put grass.  How much can this cost?  And the ongoing maintenance- a few landscapers- its worth the money.

I remember when my mother dropped me off, the first day of my freshman year.  And there was dirt everywhere.  Even on the concrete.  And my brother asked- hey mom whats all that green paint on the dirt?  We thought they were trying to hide it.  Turns out it was hydroseeding.  They could use even more of that today.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on February 25, 2013, 01:08:13 pm
To be honest. When I came in back in 2007 the campus landscaping was beautiful due to the 50 year celebration. There was not construction back then. The area between Old Chem-Chemistry-Physics-Recreation center has undergone a lot of construction lately which explains how ugly the area looks. I agree that they need to get rid of the damn tank. The area looks crowded and getting rid of the tank (or at least hiding it) would help.

Stony Brook is undergoing a large scale construction period so it's going to take a while before we see the campus as clean and as beautiful as it looked back in 2007
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ry1nik on February 25, 2013, 01:31:06 pm
This may have already been mentioned on the Board....sorry if repeating...but the most infamous symbol of the university back in the 1970s was the "Bridge to Nowhere." It was considered a symbol of all that ailed Stony Brook back in the 1970s. The state didn't allocate enough money to connect the Library with the Union back then, so the bridge stopped about half way between the two buildings. It was left like that for quite a few years. If I recall correctly, Billy Joel even mentioned it in an interview (kind of as a joke) back then after he had played at SBU.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 25, 2013, 02:00:42 pm
http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Clubs/educasia/StonyBrookStories/index.html
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 25, 2013, 02:02:22 pm
http://www.stonybrook.edu/sb/traditions/gone.shtml
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 25, 2013, 02:04:10 pm
http://alumniandfriends.stonybrook.edu/page.aspx?pid=633
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on March 20, 2013, 05:21:28 pm
How are we going to deal with the community. Getting more bad press from the town:

Stony Brook Residents Want Rental Rules Enforced For College Students

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/18/stony-brook-residents-want-rental-rules-enforced-for-college-students/
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on March 20, 2013, 05:53:13 pm
How are we going to deal with the community. Getting more bad press from the town:

Stony Brook Residents Want Rental Rules Enforced For College Students

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/18/stony-brook-residents-want-rental-rules-enforced-for-college-students/
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I live very close to the University and there are 3 houses across the street from me that are rented to University students and in the 16 years live here, i never once had a problem with either one of the rented homes. One house the 2 guys are med students and I never see him. The other 2 homes are rented to College kids and they are very respectful to the neighbors.

Majority of the students who rent off campus are good kids and you will always get a few rotten apples.. When I bought my home in the 90's. I knew SBU was only 1 mile away but decided to buy here because of the Public School. ( Three Village ) and I am glad i did...Unless you bought your house in the 50's , before SBU was built, then you have no reason to complain...You knew this was going to happen, it happens everywhere there's a big University..... I will never sell my house and when the time comes when I want to move, I'll rent my house out to a Doctor or Med students !!!!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 22, 2013, 01:56:11 pm
Some good news: http://www.policymic.com/articles/28975/4-top-colleges-just-as-great-as-the-ivy-league-schools

Also, new dorm going up in between Irving College and the Staller Center: http://www.stonybrook.edu/facilities/projects/current/main_campus/?new-residence-hall
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on March 22, 2013, 05:36:44 pm
Yes. New Dorm are coming soon. But that wont be enough. The University has to find a solution to the problem with college rentals. Maybe the town can agree on a designated off-campus section for college rentals.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 08, 2013, 03:57:27 pm
.... so is someone in the admin reading our forum!??!?!?!?!?!?! http://www.goseawolves.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/050813aaa.html

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on May 08, 2013, 09:19:45 pm
Personally I think a lot of people   read  our  forum.  Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 17, 2013, 07:59:08 pm
Old Chem is now... Frey Hall
http://commcgi.cc.stonybrook.edu/am2/publish/General_University_News_2/What_Was_Old_is_New_Again_SBU_Commemorates_the_Opening_of_Frey_Hall_A_High_Tech-Dedicated_Classroom_Building.shtml

youre right!  someone is reading!!!  8)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on September 17, 2013, 08:17:33 pm
Newsday reported awhile ago they opened a new building dedicated to wireless technology.  Love to see positive growth!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on September 18, 2013, 12:39:33 am
CEWIT - Center for Excellence in Wireless and Information Technology

That is located in the Stony Brook's Research & Development Park on Stony Brook Rd. Opened a few years ago.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 04, 2014, 01:58:26 pm
moved from the football thread:

i think the problem exists both with the university and with the students.  not sure who is more to blame.  the students are largely disaffected (but coming around slowly!) and dont stick around on weekends.  The U hasnt really done much to improve the social interaction (but coming around slowly!) on campus or off campus.  my contention is that if they stuck around, they'd go to games.

i think there are a lot of solutions to this problem:

-the U needs to build a "commons".  we have the union, but its garbage and no one wants to hang out there.  we need a square, or a commons, or a strip mall.  coffee shops, pubs, pizza, laundry, places to see and be seen.  they need to construct a "hangout" whether its private or university-operated. 

-the U should think about admitting students based on their school spirit and participation.  further, it might even want to consider taking more students that arent from the LIRR line and cant drive home easily every weekend (perhaps anything above westchester).  this will keep the problem though of students just sitting in their rooms every weekend, doing nothing.  sorry, tri-staters (of which i am one). 

-the U has plenty of land to develop, however, it HAS to be geographically correct.  put the activities in South P, and no one will show.  dont give anyone a reason.  port jeff is great; but its 3 miles away.  kids are lazier than ever today because they can text from the comfort of their dorm and watch anything on a laptop or phone.  in this day and age, technology and social media has made it harder for people to get off their arse.  attention spans are short.  social interaction (the way we know it) is waning.

-on the other hand, social media (i do NOT participate btw) needs to be used to get the word out.  why not use the technology that the kids use to connect with them?

-lets think about geography for a moment.  no one is going to hang around the engineering quad or harriman hall or the physics building, etc.  They might though at the Rec Center, or LaValle, etc.  We have a few spots where we can make this happen.  Im thinking develop the strip of land east of Mendelsohn Quad (bottom right, where the lake is: http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/dance/contact/dancemap2.jpg).  the kids can all walk there and hang out and buy stuff and do whatever and be close to home.  let private business come in and pay for it and develop it.

-the items above they need to add have to happen naturally.  meaning, it cant all be university-driven.  once you add them into the mix, it becomes not cool to 19 year olds.  let entrepreneurs and proprietors open up shops and gyms and apartments and whatnot and kids will follow.  thats what i think college kids want these days.  i love strawberries.  but the strawberry festival doesnt get me excited.  once i went to a foam party at the bench and lost my flip flops- THAT was exciting.

-we have to, absolutely have to, get all the freshmen all into a freshman dorm and create the experience.  make the apartments something to earn.  no more freshmen living amongst upperclassmen.  freshmen are different animals than seniors and they do not act the same.  build relationships early and keep them.  do it in the corridor style dorms where freshman have no privacy and meet easily. 

-less commuter students.  yeah they are great and all but they usually leave after class and dont add anything to the community.  is that harsh?  yes.  and i know, a lot of dormitory students dont add anything either.

-the students need to step it up and get involved.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: BigFatFan on April 04, 2014, 02:24:55 pm
Thank you Chairman.  I for one agree that the school needs to make a better effort in getting the football games to be a destination "event" for the students.  regardless of whether they go home on the weekends, or if they are commuter students, they can "get" the spirit of football and return to the games because their friends will be there, and it will be a "good" and "safe" and "orderly" time.  Also, with the heavy influx of Asian and other forgein students to SB, I wonder if football is just not part of their culture, so they could care less about attending the games.  in my mind, Homecoming is a no-brainer, it should be heavily attended by the community and the students.  what is disappointing to me is to see the other home games at La Valle consist of about 1/2 capacity or less crowds. that is just outright pathetic.  when our kids roll into any other CAA venue, the stadiums are rocking. Even the Rhody game last year, that I attended, they had a near capacity crowd.  we can do better at SB, I challenge the school, the student body and the athletic department to find a way to get it done.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 04, 2014, 02:27:30 pm
SBUPatriots and BFF- thanks for your thoughts.  i think all those on this particular forum know the answers- and they are right here.

lets run some rough #s, for Ss and Gs, why not.  these are arbitrary so it doesnt really matter if they are off or rounded, but feel free to amend and we can get this conversation rolling.

total students- 25k.  total undergrad? 18k.  total living on campus?  8-10k.  disregard for now those living off campus but not at home.  assume 25% in each class.  conservative estimate is 2k in each undergraduate class.

what would it take to fill up a pub?  a coffee shop?  a pedestrian square buzzing?  total, a few hundred kids MAX.  maybe 500 total.  that will create an atmosphere- thats what we need- an atmosphere. 

but it NEEDS to be geographically correct.  in one place, and close by.  again, get the kids into the Mendelsohn and G Quad and build it nearby.  DONT give them a reason not to show up.

now, with those 8-10k, think we can, at any given time, activate 500 kids?  perhaps throw in some commuters?  that can easily fill up a square.  and start to create that collegetown feel. 

for sports, your target should be ALL students with the understanding that the underclassmen are more into this.  its just the way it goes in college; students become disaffected with anything that isnt new; what with all the distractions in today's world. 

for the Arena, its seats 4k.  we should have no problem getting half that from the outside.  can we get 2k students?  unlikely, conservatively speaking.  but can we get 1k?  i think so.  that is a massive presence if seated all together, at a place like SB.  if there are 8-10k living on campus, can we get 1 in 8 to show up, and how?

for LaValle, slightly bigger problem, AND you have late fall weather in the northeast. 

corrections welcome.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on April 04, 2014, 04:49:01 pm
Its amazing... All the points that Chair stressed are basically things that I found in my visits to UConn. As everyone knows by now... my gf attends Connecticut.

Its amazing how good of a job UConn does to build school spirit. I remember her freshmen year they grouped all of the freshmen in the crappiest dorms on campus (North Quad)... so crappy that I told her "I would never live in such conditions"... But you know what? The kids didn't complain.... They *****ing loved it. Sh*t would get wild in North Quad and those kids surely build a great relationship early on. Additionally, it kept their expectations of college to a reasonable level. They started out in the worst dorms all together, so no complaints of bathrooms (because no one has seen any better), crappy ceilings, and small dorms.

One thing that I experienced at SBU, is that many students get so much (especially for the cheap price) yet they always remain dissatisfied with their college experience and that's because there is little spirit across the campus. If there is campus spirit you start to forget about the $15k tuition, the student loans, the small dorms, and the crappy classes you have to deal with,  etc, etc.

So yes, the responsibility lies on the University to build an environment that promotes unity and spirit across the student body. The few of us that came out of Stony Brook with tons of school pride are those that were either marching band, involved in clubs, attended athletic events, and build strong friendships. The University has to take charge. I'm afraid that getting USG involve its only going to make things worst. Students are not gonna like the fact that all freshmen are grouped together in one quad and they'll probably vote against it. Some decisions to make improvements need to be made unilaterally.

Also, when it comes to dining halls. God sakes... Stony Brook can do better. We are a research university with 10,000 students that live in campus. Screw the itemized system they have in place that pretty much its meant to serve the commuter. Make it all-you-can eat  buffet so that students don't starve at the end of the semester. Change the dining hall system to avoid the long lines to get your food and then another long line to pay for your food. These things impact the community, and trust me, it makes a difference. By the time most kids graduate, they hate Stony Brook and food has to do a lot with it.

I can say that taking those trips to UConn those weekends made me more proud of Stony Brook because Stony Brook a ton of potential to improve, its a great school with even a better reputation than a school like UConn. But we just have to a better job at selling it. I myself set out to build some school spirit, and to mobilize my friends to attend the games and get involved. We had a blast, we got trashed, but those memories will never fade. But the average stony brook student never experiences that.

One additional thought is: Stony Brooks needs to become more diverse in its selection of students. I understand the school's mission is to serve Long Islanders... But its a public state university. It should be targeting kids from Western New York, The Capital District, Central New York and the Lower Hudson Valley... focusing on NYC kids and Long Islanders who live 30mins-2hrs away from home kills the vibe on campus.

My best buddies in college came from the middle-of-nowhere-NY.... it doesn't matter whether they are asian americans or whatever... those people party too but they need to come from other areas of NY, not just downstate. Also, I don't mind having a sizable international community. Those international kids actually get quite involved. My rommie was from Bangladesh, and I had a ton of fun with that guy. We drank, we smoked, we studied, we partied, it was awesome

Lastly: Please please. Demolish the current Student Union. A school like Stony Brook should have a respectable center for student life. The current union is disgusting, and it really summarizes student life at Stony Brook. We can do better. I mean, look at our peers (Penn State, UMass, Maryland, Ohio State, UCLA, UC Berkeley, UConn) with the impressive Student Unions while we have a crappy old building. That building is beyond repair and the administration is looking to make a renovation instead of knocking it down.

Make a new Union 3 or 4x the current size where you can house an impressively large food court (for a school with 24k students), make it the home of USG, add a sports TV lounge, Game room, ballroom, a legit Friday night movie screen, etc, etc. The current union is a perfect location (near the arena and stadium) so it can be built there again


Not everything is depressing though. We have achieved a lot since I first became a freshman back in 2007. I'm extremely proud of Stony Brook's accomplishments and I wouldn't change my experience at SBU for nothing. But there is no doubt that there is a lot work left to do. Stony Brook has the potential to be a Penn State or an Ohio State. Our academics are at par already, we just have to work on everything else that makes college memorable. As alumni, and community members its our job to be supportive also through athletic events, donations, and booster blogs, creating enthusiasm, and Rewriting wikipedia (has anybody looked at the makeover I've done to the Stony Brook related articles in wikipedia. I've put a lot of effort to write the articles in a neutral POV but with as much info as possible about the university)

I love SBU, and I'm sure we all do. So lets keep writing and maybe the administration takes a look at the board from time to time...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 04, 2014, 05:33:43 pm
Crazy Eddie- youve certainly earned the right to opine on this subject, if any of us have.  You did start this forum!

Yes, the Union needs to go the way of the bridge- wrecking ball.  But i would hope they dont put up another super modern glass building; again, i dont think thats what kids want to see.  Budgets are tight; but they arent necessarily less expensive than the old brick and mortar.  We mustnt forget kids look at imagery when they read brochures for college... we are being compared to our peers.  They are the standard.  Make it happen.

Choose where you'd like to go to class:

(http://citynoise.org/upload/31126.jpg)

(http://media.salon.com/2013/01/unc.jpg)

You really cant put a price tag on this. 

Apartments are great (i lived in Kelly).  But they are less social and kids are holed up in their rooms and dont interact like they do in corridors.  Dont all other colleges put freshmen in corridors?  Yes!  There's a reason why and we need to follow.  Most other colleges the kids live in the dorm one year and out.  This is not a time to lead; its a time to follow.

Regarding the food- which i honestly didnt think was all that bad during my days- another reason to bring in the private vendors.  There is room to build.  Lets do it. 

(http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/dance/contact/dancemap2.jpg)

Knocking down the Union solves two problems- one is knocking down the Union- the other is it frees up space for this campus square i keep talking about.  Plenty of space, right near the quads (that i think should become the freshmen quads) and just away from the center of campus.  Think of the atmosphere, during a football game and kids are around the union, hearing the crowd from just nearby, game telecast on TVs, etc. 

I keep talking about geography, and yes, its going to be tough for the kids living in the back of Tabler to get all the way over there.  Maybe improve the bus system, i dunno.  I never got on it. 

I also agree on taking a more diverse selection of students.  The less kids we have from outside of the tristate area, the more out of place kids from upstate (or anywhere else) will feel.  State tuition there; take advantage.  Buffalo does.  Albany does.  Bingo does.  Again, time to follow, not lead.

Regarding diversity, i actually remember the U being extremely diverse.  Problem though, walking through the Union especially during Campus Lifetime, or the Bench, Academic Mall, etc, everyone was cliqued off with people of their own color.  Thats fine and all, just saying i thought diversity wasnt the problem, its refusal to integrate thats the problem!

And yes, the U has come a LONG way in the last 10 years.  They really really really need a person, who is an alum, and young, and understands the issue, to run with the campus life experience improvement.  They keep going wrong here.  I dont think budgeting or space is the issue.  Its the bad decisions the admin makes, the university-sponsored anything, the wrong people in these roles, and student inactivity. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 04, 2014, 09:22:20 pm
This forum is  really has grown  I went to   Buffalo State years ago.  Their  Student Union of today is gorgeous. They really did a nice job  and they are a state  college not a global research university.  Things can change at SBU  we just need voices.  If you go on the Buff St virtual  tour  check out the union which is still the center of campus life.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on April 05, 2014, 02:03:22 am
Give me $500 million bucks and I'll change the Brook forever with an "Iron fist". LOL. We need another one like president Kenny who actually cared about how things looked and building spirit in addition to academics. We also need lots of money, yes, sorry chair, I do think this is also a funding problem. It is impossible to build a comprehensive plan for the future of the university with lack of funds. We need the state to make one shot investment for the Brook (like $250-750 mil project) to change the face of the University.

I did a terrible paint job here but bear with me here. Look at the attachment.

I came up with a quick project based on a few things.

A) a brand new state of the art Stony Brook Union in a centralized location of campus with quick access from the South Dorm Communities (Kelly, West, Roosevelt, Tabler) and from the North Campus (H-Quad, Mendi, and the future residential quad next to Wang Center)

B) A Student Union that faces a "Central Alley" of the State University. Most Universities in the nation have a main alley, a main mall with a long patch of grass. Its traditional, its beautiful, and it allows the student to easily walk from the west end to the east end of the academic campus. The Central Alley should be overhauled so that it is a consistent, long, straight patch of grass from the Administration Building (all the way in the East end) to the potential future Union (in the extreme west).

C) The Student Union will be only a short walk from our brand new renovated arena and Kenneth P. LaValle Stadium. You know what that means? after every big win, all hell will break lose at the Student Union. Stony Brook nation will descend all over the Union to fulfill their hunger or their desire for more fun. The perfect place for all the wolves to meet and have a good time

D) The Earth and Space Science Building must go. Its disgusting, its old, its breaking apart, and it blocks the academic mall from the west side of campus. The building should be demolished so that that end of campus can be opened up for the future Union. Replace the ESS with a big patch of grass right in front of the potential union.

E) New academic Buildings can be constructed in the patch of forest directly next to the ESS building. But it must absolutely respect and fit in with the Central Alley.

F) Directly in front of the Stony Brook Arena, and sandwiched in between the Physics building and the SBU Arena in that large patch of grass we should build a brand new Stony Brook University Marketplace. Here, a three floor state of the art complex that will house the Stony Brook Seawolves Athletics Store, a large student bookstore, and a students convenience store. After every game, make sure that store is open so that kids can throw their money away on jerseys.

G) Where the current Student Union lies. Demolish that piece of crap and build something else there. We can build an academic building, a dining hall... or actually, my favorite - even a better idea: a nice and fancy building were we can house the Stony Brook Foundation and the Stony Brook University Alumni Association. Here is where all the alumni are gonna THROW their money away. This Alumni association should be hunting down every alumnus of the University. Milking everyone's pockets for a better future for the University.

H) Overhaul of John S. Toll Drive to make it more student friendly. Build a line of trees along the road so that students don't have to see the service facilities in the west side of the road every time they walk up and down the road. John S. Toll Drive should become the center of life for Stony Brook students. Everything cool should be down that road (Stony Brook Union, Stony Brook Arena, Stony Brook Rec Center, Stony Brook Marketplace, Staller Center Films, Alumni Association, Wang Center, maybe some sorority/frat houses can be built at the end of this road near the Mendy quad)

I) Near the main entrance of THE State University of New York at Stony Brook we should build a nice "Stony Brook Visitor Center". This should be the first encounter for every visitor of the university. All future students, parents, community members should first walk into the Stony Brook University visitor center. This is important... as of now, current first time visitors walk into the Administration building (really? what kinda of first impression is that?)

BOYSSSSSS. THIS IS HOW YOU BUILD A FLAGSHIP STATE UNIVERSITY FOR THE MASSES! Who's gonna hand me the money? :)



Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on April 05, 2014, 02:31:04 am
Maybe we can put these ideas on paper and start lobbying. We can do it right. We are nice group of passionate fans of Stony Brook. We can send out emails. No? Wouldn't it be great...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: laxnation on April 05, 2014, 03:24:31 am
We can't even repair the steps leading up to gym and its been like this way for  1 or even two years.  Nothing says welcome like yellow police tape. ;D
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 05, 2014, 05:08:58 pm
good to see there is someone as crazy as i am...

i like a lot of these ideas and i encourage more.  crazy eddie yes money is an issue but we have an annual budget; its time to manage it better, which is to say we have matters of more urgency than others.  its mismanaged just like our federal, state, and local govt. 

today i saw mud and dirt fields everywhere.  its unsightly and needs to be fixed.  the SB Arena is unbelievable though.  and there are big plans for the atrium just outside the main entrance. 

i think before they spend on anything- they need to marshal resources and improve the social atmosphere.  that means, to me, things like the visitor center are great, but room and $ should be used to create a college town.  visitor center is a great idea though.

youre right that the union should be more centered and the area where ESS is is a great idea.  and yes it does block the academic mall!  they can even move that parking lot easily, as, its a parking lot.  grass or new union sounds great to me.  yes it needs to be more centered to the south dorms, and thats the perfect spot near the arena.  and when they condemn the union, that will open up more prime space.  pubs and restaurants?  houses?   >:(

agreed on making the academic mall grass.  sure it will raise maintenance costs but this is one of those things that has to be done.  example:

(http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/img/college-photo_2352..jpg)

we can afford to knock down a building here and there.  we have more than enough buildings to house students temporarily while one gets flattened. 

for F, they are planning on putting an SB athletics store in the atrium where the old concessions are in the arena.  it should be connected to the arena.

also i agree that we need an alumni association, but not yet, not at the cost of something can improve the social interaction of current students at the brook.  i love your idea of replacing the union with houses, pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc.  Your idea to overhaul toll drive is great too.  it should be a destination; not a thoroughfare.

we have to dream it before it becomes a plan.

(http://www.woolpert.com/wp-content/uploads/Quad-Birds-Eye-e1361893413237.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 05, 2014, 05:16:38 pm
those last two posts were UVa, UNC, and UNC Greensboro.  Here is Syracuse:

(http://archives.syr.edu/images/buildings/quad.jpg)

Cornell:

(http://fe.fs.cornell.edu/img/mainPage/ArtsQuad.jpg)

Illinois:

(http://www.martycarlson.net/briefcase/89818_11162012113011AM35219.jpg)

Ohio State:

(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2010/09/OSU_aerial_quad-e1285084594352.jpg)

Washington:

(http://faculty.washington.edu/paymana/images/photos/uw/blossoms4.gif)



Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 05, 2014, 11:38:06 pm
Really something to work toward !
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on April 12, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
Out of all the school you posted there. Illinois, Ohio State, and Washington really captivated me. WOW. How beautiful to look at... and the crazy thing to think about it.... All these great academic institutions are our peers academically... But if you ask the average person: they would say that Ohio State, Illinois, UWash are several levels above Stony Brook University.

All these schools are AAU Research Universities with either land grant/sea grant/ space grant status. Stony Brook is certainly not the land grant university of New York (Cornell holds that title unfortunately) but we are a sea grant and space grant university with top 35 public status. This is something we really have to be proud of. There are 50 states, most states have two great schools. Yet, we are considered top 34 in the nation. I don't think we sell that enough. This is a majestic  institution. Our strategic growth plan should take this into account. We should grow all corners of this University. We should integrate the University more and more with the outside community. We should leverage our status as a great institution to influence the outside community.

Stony Brook should be home to multiple Long Island Museums of Art, History, Natural History, Science, music,  etc. It should be a center where the culture of long island can be celebrated. We already have a film and arts festival which is great but we need to do more of that. We need to make Stony Brook a destination, not only for potential students but also for the community, for high school trips, for our senior community. This is where we need to work on. We have plenty of space to grow, plenty of land. We just need more creativity in building a University that Long Island can be proud of, that it can feel as its own.

Stony Brook is Long Island. Long Island is Stony Brook. Gotta make this happen.

The State University of New York at Stony Brook!!!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 12, 2014, 09:51:17 pm
 I agree the school should  broadcast  their academic profile more- we are after all only 1 of 3  AAU schools in the Metro Area. The other two being NYU and Columbia  which is pretty good company since SBU is thousands  of dollars  less.  I don't see  SBU investing  major dollars  in the  beautification of the campus AKA  UNC Chapel Hill  or UVA.  Maybe  someday  but not  in the near  future.  What monies they do invest will be in academics and  research  which isn't  all that  bad.   We may see a Virginia   or Stanford  style campus  way out in the future but for now  the money is going toward  maintaining and advancing academics .
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on April 13, 2014, 10:33:42 am
Chrissy. I see Arthur Dokes is on the Spring roster but, I haven't seen him on the field. Do you have any information on this. Is he still with the team?
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 14, 2014, 02:26:32 pm
Quote
I agree the school should  broadcast  their academic profile more- we are after all only 1 of 3  AAU schools in the Metro Area. The other two being NYU and Columbia  which is pretty good company since SBU is thousands  of dollars  less.  I don't see  SBU investing  major dollars  in the  beautification of the campus AKA  UNC Chapel Hill  or UVA.  Maybe  someday  but not  in the near  future.  What monies they do invest will be in academics and  research  which isn't  all that  bad.   We may see a Virginia   or Stanford  style campus  way out in the future but for now  the money is going toward  maintaining and advancing academics .

And to me, this is a problem.  Making the campus more appealing WILL change the perception that Crazy Eddie is talking about.  It will bring better students.  It will bring better athletes.  It will bring better professors and faculty.  It might just even entice some to stick around and then improve the social atmosphere.  Kids choose with their eyes; its just a fact.  State institutions move at a snail's pace with the governmental red tape; wheels have to be put in motion NOW if its going to improve by 2020.  Case in point is the Student Union.  They have GOT to do something about the Union.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: sbupatriots on April 14, 2014, 08:28:24 pm
Having active alumni like you guys makes a big impact on me and my fellow students so thanks a ton. In my two years here at SBU I've already seen a ton of momentum in both the social atmosphere and athletic support. With each class that comes in I feel there are more and more kids that are EXCITED to come here as I was. I feel there is a huge difference between those who come here because its "a good option" or "my parents wanted me to" and those who come here because they really wanted to. These are the type of kids who will make a positive difference like yourselves.

As for development of campus. It looks as though Stony Brook is pretty set with development up until 2023. Check http://www.stonybrook.edu/facilities/data/building-for-the-future-the-draft-plan.pdf for all development over the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 14, 2014, 08:38:24 pm
Patriot I'm  glad you are on board  Welcome.    I didn't attend SBU  but my daughter  did and graduated in 1997.  I'm a   SUNY grad  and I know the state moves slowly and many of the buildings all may look the same at most SUNY schools. I  have watched SBU grow both in academics and athletics and we are moving fairly quickly over the last 10 or 12 years.  So enjoy your stay at SBU  and we will continue to improve.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on April 14, 2014, 10:05:58 pm
Thanks for bringing that master plan. I saw it a few months ago but forgot about it and didn't bring it up. Unfortunately, as I said the plan is not nearly as ambitious as I would like it to be and it probably comes down to money to a some extent. If only another Jim would come up and throw +$200 million in facilities improvement... that would be a heck of a donation.

Boy, a school like UConn is receiving a $1 Billion (Faculty 500) in state funding over the next five year in addition to the $2 Billion the state provided to UConn throughout the 90s and early 2000 (21st Century UConn and UConn 2000). Some are going to be quick to point out that Connecticut's public higher education system is not nearly as extensive as our SUNY system but if you consider the size and population of the state of Connecticut you would realize that a $1 billion is a hugeeee commitment to UConn. Those guys across the sound surely get it. UConn is one of the state's vehicle to success...

...Stony Brook should be Long Island's vehicle to a post-recession and post-sandy recovery. Cuomo has done plenty of work with the SUNYs, but he can do a lot more. I remain hopeful. I posted this thread on Stony Brook's facebook page to get some attention. They replied at least. Hey, you never know...

Go Seawolves!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 15, 2014, 08:44:43 am
In my two years here at SBU I've already seen a ton of momentum in both the social atmosphere and athletic support. With each class that comes in I feel there are more and more kids that are EXCITED to come here as I was.

As a frequent visitor to campus, i agree with this very much.  Thanks for the link!  Ill take a closer read and comment...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 15, 2014, 08:58:21 am
Ok thanks again for sending- i usually go to the following link but yours is much better: http://www.stonybrook.edu/facilities/projects/

I guess my original point was, yes, its expensive to maintain a grass quad with all the foot traffic but how much can that cost to install?  I dont believe that is not in our budget.  If UConn can look like UConn with a smaller budget, then possibly our budget is mismanaged.  Start there and worry about larger construction later. 

This is reassuring- the strategy is to repurpose existing space that no longer is necessary, or to maximize efficiency of space.  Though, space doesnt seem to be our problem. 

Phase I- gather info.  Great, but where they go wrong is to gather it on their own.  Ask a student, or better yet, an outsider. 

Phase II- assessment.  Done, the campus needs fixing.  Especially the Union.

Phase III- analyze space needs.  Again, i dont think space is our problem.  See the maps i posted above.

Phase IV- consider three alternatives.  Again, this is easy.  Toss the idea that looks like a mirrored skyscraper or a prison, and build something that looks like the photos posted earlier.

Of course this is all fifty cents analysis from a non-architect.  :(  I do appreciate that there is much much more that goes into it.  I would just love to help them steer...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on April 15, 2014, 09:03:34 am
btw, sbupatriot I'm glad you are around. We need more current students like you here. Let your friends now and lets build a bigger community. Keep up the enthusiasm, we are all Seawolves here!

Btw, the same trend you are noticing in social life and athletic support I saw it when I was there from 2007-12. Things really started to take off after 2009 and I'm glad it continues to get better. Lets go Brook!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 15, 2014, 09:07:20 am
Continuing on to Target Growth.  3000 more students, and 3300 more beds.  Also great.  But lets get in students that care about contributing to the community.  There's something like Paw Points or some loyalty program where you can get access to tickets by showing up to games.  Lets give access to the coveted buildings to those who demonstrate a commitment to the U rather than just going to class and graduation.

With that many more students- and with that many more on campus- we have to get more participation in athletic events and social events.  We ran some #s above on this thread.  That right there is enough students (on top of the already existing ones) to create the atmosphere we want.  We just need it to be the right type of student.

Combine new buildings with open spaces and create quadrangles and paths- wonderful, this is the right idea ive been talking about. 

The administration has done so, so, so well over the last 10 years.  But its not immune to bad decisions.  For example, for a very long time, the "symbol" of SBU, on the cover of its brochures, and right when you enter campus, was a broken down old rusty yellow swing.  Anyone know what im talking about?
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 15, 2014, 09:12:05 am
Ok this is HUGE but the plan on page 8 (right side) looks like it includes new dormitories west of LaValle- dangerously close to the Bench, the Stadium, the Arena, the north Academic Mall, etc.  I havent heard of this plan but i like it.  My guess is that they will remove part of the old stadium lot (where the factories are) and build 7 buildings and a dining hall.  Just have to worry about these kids getting on the train and going home...

But also, why not then build a strip mall there?  Perfect spot for a college town...

Weve mentioned before, but a few more dormitories are planned to fit south of Irving College and north of Wang.  Again, SBU... this is your chance to follow and not lead. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 15, 2014, 09:13:43 am
Page 9 has the master plan on one map.  Get this- it has the Union slated for renovations!  I hope that renovation involves a wrecking ball...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on April 15, 2014, 10:21:18 am
The whole plan since I attended Stony Brook revolves around the idea that residence halls need to be balanced around the academic center of the University. Basically what we have right now is a south side of campus with residences and a north side of campus with residences. I don't think its a bad idea that they try to put residences near the arena on the northwest end to balance things out but it might hurt the growth of the athletics department in the future and students may dislike being immediately next to the service facilities of the campus which are directly to the south of the future residence halls.


The good part of this plan is that it leaves the area where I want a future union completely untouched (maybe will be used as parking which is not too bad). So it leaves that remote possibility for a new Union in that location :). It also seems like they want to renovate the current Union. That's fine I guess... they can use it as a Union for now and later on use it for something else if they want to avoid demolishing it. It seems like Stony Brook is not too fond  of demolishing old structures, they prefer renovating them and using the money saved to build another facility.

Also, I like the fact the school is putting effort to unite the campus as one. The division of the University into an East campus and West Campus does very little to unite the University. It should only be one campus and all formal documents of the University should avoiding splitting into two like they currently do. Perhaps expand the current tunnel under Nichols Rd and increase the interactions between both sides

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 15, 2014, 02:57:30 pm
one of the good designs back when the campus was planned was that we generally do have an inner circle of academic buildings (except Roth) and the dorms on the outside.  Crazy Eddie your plan again was to put the Union where ESS is?  I think that works because its at the end of the mall and also equidistant from dormitories. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 15, 2014, 08:41:14 pm
Hopefully one of our governors of the future  will make bold choice and  officially  declare  a SUNY University  the Flagship  of the system.  Right  now we have this quasi arrangement  with us and UB kind of in limbo since Rockefeller.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 18, 2014, 09:14:11 pm
in the new SBU Magazine, there is a column entitled "Flashback" that has this photo of the old Oyster Bay campus:

(http://sb.cc.stonybrook.edu/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/oysterbay.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: sbugold on May 19, 2014, 04:09:37 pm
Looks like some of the things to make the SBU surrounding area continue to be discussed.  It will be interesting to see some of the ideas.  My wife and I will be attending this evening, so I'll let you all know if I hear any good ideas:

THREE VILLAGE COMMUNITY TRUST
 
Join Us Tonight!
Monday, May 19th, 6pm
at the Bates House, 1 Bates Road (off Main Street), Setauket.
Conceptual Plans for Route 25A
SBU Student Presentations, Round Two.
Fourteen students in Stony Brook University's environmental planning, policy and design program will present strategic visions for the area around the Stony Brook LIRR station based on studies of existing conditions of the Route 25A corridor completed last semester.
 
The students will propose a set of short-term and long-term investments and policies that could help increase the economic vitality of the 25A corridor, provide desired public amenities and address environmental sustainability. Four student groups will present their conceptual plans, followed by a discussion of the proposed strategies.
The students presented their "existing conditions" studies of this location in December 2013 to local residents. There was much enthusiasm about continuing these studies and the discussions the student presentations inspired. The attention given continues to foster actions to make improvements in significant ways - evidence the proposed sidewalks and lowered speed limit for Nicolls Road!
 
Everyone is welcome. Refreshments will be served.
 
Donovan Finn is an urban planner and lecturer in the Sustainability Studies Program at Stony Brook University. The course is "Theories and Design of Urban Settlements."
 
 
 

 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 19, 2014, 04:11:25 pm
thanks gold- will be very happy to hear comments from the mtg...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: sbugold on May 20, 2014, 10:25:23 am
thanks gold- will be very happy to hear comments from the mtg...

First, I should note that the presentations were made by four teams of undergrads as one of the assignments in Prof. Finn's class.  So, they did not represent in-depth studies with detailed plans re: how to overcome community, legal and funding barriers.  Rather, they each presented their visions/ideas for the future, and specifically focused on the areas adjacent to and across from the Stony Brook train station.

That said, many of the ideas were interesting and led to some lively discussion.  Most centered attention on the following, dividing the ideas up into short, mid and long-range categories;

--upgrade of commercial area on North side of 25A, including reconfiguring of structures and rear parking in lieu of current disastrous distributed parking nightmare.

--creation of open spaces (perhaps negotiating with Stony Brook School) to obtain some land space

--slowing of auto traffic and easing of pedestrian movement through installation of medians, walkways, etc.

--expansion of train station for more utility, expanded seating areas, weather protection for waiting passengers and potential for modern transit hub to better accommodate parking, buses and taxis

--general beautification (e.g. walkways, plantings, etc.) and sustainability modifications (e.g. solar provisions, rain water use, etc.)

As I indicated, none of this is ready for submittal to anyone.  But, it's nice to know the conversation is in motion somewhere.  I think Prof. Finn may be a good resource for anyone wanting to pursue some specifics to move forward in the future.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 20, 2014, 10:34:15 am
thanks gold- will be very happy to hear comments from the mtg...

First, I should note that the presentations were made by four teams of undergrads as one of the assignments in Prof. Finn's class.  So, they did not represent in-depth studies with detailed plans re: how to overcome community, legal and funding barriers.  Rather, they each presented their visions/ideas for the future, and specifically focused on the areas adjacent to and across from the Stony Brook train station.

That said, many of the ideas were interesting and led to some lively discussion.  Most centered attention on the following, dividing the ideas up into short, mid and long-range categories;

--upgrade of commercial area on North side of 25A, including reconfiguring of structures and rear parking in lieu of current disastrous distributed parking nightmare.

--creation of open spaces (perhaps negotiating with Stony Brook School) to obtain some land space

--slowing of auto traffic and easing of pedestrian movement through installation of medians, walkways, etc.

--expansion of train station for more utility, expanded seating areas, weather protection for waiting passengers and potential for modern transit hub to better accommodate parking, buses and taxis

--general beautification (e.g. walkways, plantings, etc.) and sustainability modifications (e.g. solar provisions, rain water use, etc.)

As I indicated, none of this is ready for submittal to anyone.  But, it's nice to know the conversation is in motion somewhere.  I think Prof. Finn may be a good resource for anyone wanting to pursue some specifics to move forward in the future.


thanks- my concern with 25a (specifically the north side) is the noise factor.  earlier in the thread i posted that quite a few new dorms will be build in between the lot and the track (that path to the Bench where the volleyball courts are) and i wonder if that will facilitate the need for construction. 

i think if they are going to create a college town (which i STILL dont see any plans for!) it would have to be in this very area.  dont give the students any reason to not show up (i.e., its too far, dont have transport, etc).  proximity matters.

i think expanding anything in the train station will entice students to leave campus more.   ::) 8)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 16, 2014, 01:51:48 pm
found this (outdated) news today on the Toll Drive residence halls... http://sbstatesman.com/2014/09/04/what-you-missed-at-stony-brook-while-you-were-away/

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Construction of new residence halls and a 60,000 square foot dining facility began on Toll Drive between Mendelsohn Quad and the Wang Center. Groundbreaking on the first phase of the project, which includes the dining facility, took place on July 30.

The second phase, which will add a commons building, is scheduled to be completed by fall 2016. The new suite-style buildings will add 759 beds to the university’s housing capacity, bringing the total above 10,300.  The dining facility portion is intended to take the place of the food services of the Stony Brook Union, according to a univeristy press release.

(http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/datedimages/2014/04/30/6171A2JYk436E29E.med.jpg)

 
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In response to the increasing demand for on-campus housing from new and continuing students, the University has commenced the construction of 759 beds of new residence hall accommodations and a 60,000 square foot dining facility at a site between Mendelsohn Quad and Toll Drive. Site clearing has begun, and the project is scheduled for completion by Fall 2016. The new residence halls will bring the total campus housing inventory above 10,300 beds. The new facility will be suite style, single room design, with hopes of gaining LEED Certification.
http://studentaffairs.stonybrook.edu/res/news/tolldrive.shtml


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The dining portion of the project will replace nearly all food service venues currently located in the Stony Brook Union, allowing for the conversion of the Union to a dedicated Student Services Center.
http://sb.cc.stonybrook.edu/news/general/2014-08-01-sbu-residence-hall.php

It should be six stories, costing around $34M, $50M, or $90M depending on which estimate you read.  A lot more photos here: http://www.ksqarchitects.com/multifamilyHousing_project.php?pID=36&sID=4

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They stated in a survey that this approach would create courtyards between the wings of the residence halls, enhancing the neighborhood character of this area on campus.
http://www.sbindependent.org/will-the-new-residence-hall-preserve-the-view-of-wang-center/

I read somewhere the the U is leasing beds from Dowling College, which, with LI traffic, is not close.

It looks like the Union is being renovated ($60M) from Summer '16 - Summer '18: http://sbstatesman.com/2014/02/18/campus-construction-projects-continue-to-develop-mp-am-bd/

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 16, 2014, 02:11:37 pm
better photos here:

(http://www.ksqarchitects.com/images/portfolio/boards/sbu_tolldrive/SBU-TOLL_DRIVE_001_.jpg)

(http://www.ksqarchitects.com/images/portfolio/boards/sbu_tolldrive/SBU-TD_002_.jpg)

(http://www.ksqarchitects.com/images/portfolio/boards/sbu_tolldrive/SBU-TD_003_.jpg)

(http://www.ksqarchitects.com/images/portfolio/boards/sbu_tolldrive/SBU-TD_005_.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on September 16, 2014, 11:31:49 pm
Thats gonna look pretty darn awesomee! Impressive!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 17, 2014, 08:57:26 am
it is yes.  i just wish that they had went for the more traditional look.

costs aside (because im sure it costs so much more), i was up in geneva a few weeks ago.  i hadnt been to hobart since the early 90s, when i was there twice.  sure, its a private school.  but this is another opportunity to build this:

(http://talloiresnetwork.tufts.edu/wp-content/uploads/talnet__134.bmp)

instead of the above.  just one man's opinion.  to me, aesthetics matter.  a lot.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on September 17, 2014, 10:45:43 am
I guess at this point it would be odd to build in a traditional style. It might be too late. especially with the Brutalist SB Union and the modern asian-american Wang center across the streets. It wouldn't fit too well even though I agree that the traditional style looks so much better!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ry1nik on September 17, 2014, 11:27:24 am
You're right ecasado...that train has already left the station. You can't mix modern and traditional without it looking disjointed
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 17, 2014, 02:12:10 pm
...which is exactly what cornell looks like. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on September 22, 2014, 04:04:40 pm
2014 State of the University Address

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28VdxzzO-e4
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on September 22, 2014, 04:07:34 pm
New Stony Brook Union! Very happy
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on September 23, 2014, 02:21:53 pm
Just thought I would throw this out there. Why wasn't Matt Larsen considered for the AD position. Does anyone have any insight into this. The article states. Larsen been with the program for 19 years and came up from the bottom and made it to the top.. Don't you think a local guy like him would have been a good pick for SB Athletics?? Dont get me wrong, I think Heilbron is the man too and he will do wonderful things for SB. Not to mention on Twitter this morning, SB announced Heilbron is in the works to build a indoor Football field.... Just curious!!!


http://www.goseawolves.org/genrel/092314aaa.html
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 23, 2014, 02:55:35 pm
A tough loss for the U as Matt was an alum and a longtime part of the administration... he was there in the old days when... well, you all remember what it was like.

Good for him though landing such a big job at a place that has hosted Gameday twice now and has a dominant FCS football program and will continue to beat FBS teams and possibly even jump up to FBS (there's always talk about this). 

Perhaps we have him comeback someday down the line!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on September 23, 2014, 03:03:17 pm
I think President Stanley may have been looking for a guy with experience in a raising revenue and from the Power-5 leagues. that may have influenced him... but I'm always supportive of hiring from within and it seems like this guy had a ton of experience at Stony Brook. I wish him luck as the AD of NDSU. He deserves it!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 12, 2014, 12:56:55 pm
just tying this thread into the football thread... Crazy Eddie has some VERY interesting insights to add that are relevant here... http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/2012-2020-future-of-stony-brook-football/msg12032/#msg12032


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Also, the problem with a school like Stony Brook is that there is not a unified team between the administration/campus life/ and residential life to encourage attendance at athletics events. These organizations feel like they all work separately and at times it feels like they work against each other or compete for the attention of students. Most of the time while I was at the University residential life (RAs, RHDs, and etc) didn't even acknowledge that there was a football game going on at the stadium. They had their own list of events scheduled and at times they even had events with time conflicts with football. That's why I hated the whole setup. In a way they would promote "Residential College" pride but not "Stony Brook pride" which is absolutely ridiculous. Why do I give a fu** if I live in Langmuir College... I'm a Stony Brook student and a proud wolf so they should be promoting university-wide events and not their on agenda

They SHOULD BE NOTHING schedule when there is a football game on campus. the Football game and basketball games should be where all students mingle no matter whether they live in South Campus or North campus. Its sad that the administration as whole has not noticed this yet. This is why the campus is so disjointed. Students don't feel like they are part of a greater whole. They don't feel like TRUE seawolves. They just feel like students that belong to their specific Quad and that's it

in my visits to the University of Connecticut I was amazed how well they do it. They do an amazing job promoting UCONN pride. Students wear their pride everywhere they go... and not only that: If they have to Chant "UCONN.... HUSKY" at any location they would get a crowd to respond to them. Try the same at Stony Brook with the "What's a Seawolf?" and people will probably laugh at you.

and UCONN is only one example. I'm sure there is schools that do it waaaay better than them out there. The Clemsons, South Carolina, Florida, Syracuses of the world...

Honest effort has to be put in by the administrator. Real effort. This should also go hand in hand with the constructions of new facilities to enhance student life as mentioned in the Making SB Better thread
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 12, 2014, 02:41:53 pm
posting here from football so its all in one place- for the eventual letter that Crazy Eddie will pen to the administration!

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its tough today.  kids rather play with facebook or smartphones or whatever.  its easier to sit on the couch.

in the idea thread, some solutions that wont get us all the way there but will help- give away free t-shirts, get schedule magnets in every dorm, give away free food at games, give away free tuition, create a loyalty program where game attendees are entered for free tuition, etc.  In the old days, RAs would knock on doors and pump kids up and tell them to walk over to Seawolves Field.  more signage with schedules, more rivalry games, get the game piped into the Bench, closed circuit TV in each room, etc.  This isnt the silver bullet, but it helps.

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getting a better Student Commons area.  I was at Alabama this summer, and they have an awesome gathering place for the students, a circular bowl area, surrounded by eating areas and the student store.  nice place to hang out.


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this brings up an interesting question Crazy Eddie... i wasnt aware that there was such a disconnect.  thanks for sharing your insight as you were in the mix and know what's going on.

why such a decentralized process at SB?

i agree with your sentiment on getting scheduling together. 

the answers are there; that's not the hard part.  the solutions are clear.  even the expense- that's not even the hard part, because the school does have some $$$ to implement.  the real difficulty is getting the message to them, and then, being all on the same page.  so your right Crazy Eddie, disjointed. 

greater good, utilitarianism, JS Mill.  i remember reading this philosophy... ironically... at SB.

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I think to answer your question in why such a decentralized process at Stony Brook we have to take a look at its history, and its present, and the way they are planning for the future

This school was planned to be a research heavy institution from the start in the early 1960s. It grew so quickly that no one really paid attention at the "process" of how things really should get done. For decades our administrators were focused on making Stony Brook a top notch research institution and all the focus was to succeed in that and to a certain extent they have succeeded (It was only until Kenny came in the early 1990s that she noticed how ****ty everything else not involving "research" was at the University. She had great ideas of how things should be done because she came from the University of Texas-Austin... and she improved a lot of things but a lot of the old-timers hated her because her ideas took away from "more important" things )

Adding dorms, campus dining, a student Union, and athletics facilities came out of necessity with very little planning and thought in how to expand the campus cohesively and avoiding the red tape that we have today. So what we got today is a product of such a mess. We have the Faculty Student Association managing Campus Dining/Bookstore/ and the Seawolves Marketplace, Residential Life managing Student Residences, and you have the Athletic Department managing Athletic facilities and events. You also have the Commuter Student Association working for the interest of the commuter population and the Stony Brook Weekend Life Council managing Student Activities on Weekends.... Lastly add the Undergraduate Student Government and Graduate Student Organization working for the interests of their respective students... and between this pile of garbage you have the Students trying to find an event to have fun burried between all these divisions that some times don't seem to work together.

Dr. Stanley did a great job consolidating and eliminating red tape with his Project 50... But he basically focused on the academic and administrative arm of the University...

When is something going to be done to eliminate all the garbage in the student life side of things? I'm not so sure

But my point is...

All these groups (USG, GSO, FSA, Athletics, ResLife, Commuter S.A, Campus Dining, Student Life Weekend Council) should have a common schedule which doesn't conflict between each other. They should help one another advertise events and should have common goal of engaging the entire stony Brook community not just a tiny fraction of the population.

In reality what usually happens is that you end up having one big fraction of the population who doesn't even find out that there are events currently going on... or that is attending another event they care more about... or who goes home on weekend cuz he thinks Stony Brook is boring and full of apathy because of little marketing and little unity.

Take a minute or two and visit the site

today.uconn.edu

There you can find out pretty much everything that is currently going on at UCONN...

Then find me a site other than this ****ty calendar that promotes events to the campus community

http://calendar.activedatax.com/stonybrook/EventList.aspx?fromdate=11/12/2014&todate=11/25/2014&display=Month&view=DateTime

Stony Brook can do better than that... Sometimes I just think they choose not to. The solution is there, but our admins are to blind to even see it. They get away with murder

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from what i know, agreed.  it grew so quickly, that things get missed. 

i hadnt even heard of some of these groups.  to me, the critical one is the Stony Brook Weekend Life Council.  this could be the key to getting things changed and perhaps boosting attendance.  http://studentaffairs.stonybrook.edu/sac/weekend_life/weekendlife.shtml

but like i always say, mini golf and movies and laser tag aint gonna do it!  we have to look at our competition and what they are doing right/wrong. 

i *love* golf.  i play 15 times a year.  but look how exciting this is to an 18 year old: https://stonybrook.collegiatelink.net/organization/weekendlife/gallery/Album/33344

a whopping 40 students are on the roster for that club.  i do applaud the efforts though.  here is the mission: http://studentaffairs.stonybrook.edu/sac/weekend_life/cosponsorship.shtml

doesnt entirely reflect the ideas we've come up with in the idea thread, but then again, they are constrained by the powers that be.  its a university-sanctioned club.

i am repetitive- i know.  but you have to consider this: a 17 year old holds a brochure for SB, and one for... SJU, Albany, Delaware, Buffalo, Oneonta, etc. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 19, 2014, 02:30:22 pm
Crazy Eddie- were you serious about putting together something to go to the Administration?

Think it will get airtime?  Will it be taken seriously?  Who are the right people to contact?

I am willing to help.  I'm sure others here are too.  Thanks for all you do. 


-CotB
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 20, 2014, 10:15:55 am
I been thinking about it. But as of yet I really haven't written anything serious. I don't even know who to address it. But I let you know when I start putting my ideas into paper. Been busy lately with a lot of work/schooling
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 21, 2015, 09:20:09 am
more good news on keeping students on campus- better food and new facilities: http://fsa.sunysb.edu/westsidedining/renderings.php

it looks like last spring the west side dining hall opened, which is a $23M renovation of the former kelly quad dining hall.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 21, 2015, 09:29:59 am
and just as we prepare for new dorms in between irving college and the wang center... there starts the complaints: http://sbstatesman.com/2014/12/13/construction-on-toll-drive-results-in-destruction-of-5-5-acres-of-woodland/

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At the Nov. 13 Undergraduate Student Government senate meeting, College of Arts and Sciences Sen. Taylor Bouraad gave an estimate that 5,000 trees were destroyed from construction, but Stony Brook University Media Relations found that although the trees have not been counted, at least several hundred were removed.

Looks like a new parking lot is going up in that small space too. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 21, 2015, 10:00:00 am
for what its worth- 10 Cringeworthy Locations at SBU http://www.sbindependent.org/10-cringeworthy-locations-at-sbu/

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4. Kenneth P. LaValle Stadium – (noun)

a. Where Seawolves wait for  hangovers to wear-off, accompanied by mediocre athletics. Not included: Michael Bamiro, Miguel Maysonet and the whole women’s lacrosse team. Those girls are tough and slightly terrifying.

again, its clearly the sarcasms of a malcontent, and not representative of all students, but these are the thoughts of one student.  can this really be how some students think???
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 21, 2015, 03:33:12 pm
for those interested in student disaffection... directly from the students:

Anyone know any good bars in the area during the week? http://www.reddit.com/r/SBU/comments/2kjep6/anyone_know_any_good_bars_in_the_area_during_the/

fact is kids want to meet others in college.  and do some drinking.  that's normally done in the public realm (bars) or privately (apts, houses, etc).  exclude private for obvious reasons.  so the above question is raised and the answers are?  all miles away from campus.  if we want to build school spirit and athletic event attendance, the students have to be on campus first for that to happen.  how to keep them there?  give them something to do- something that normal college kids do- ones that apply to SB and go elsewhere.

Quick Questions about SBU! Dorms, UGCs, Campus life etc.  4) How are the parties? Nightlife? Campus/Dorm Atmosphere http://www.reddit.com/r/SBU/comments/2or7q3/quick_questions_about_sbu_dorms_ugcs_campus_life/

like it or not, this is what kids are asking on the web.  answers include sh---y compared to other schools; atmosphere is really dreadful and depressing; etc.

Transferring in..maybe. How is campus life? Etc etc.http://www.reddit.com/r/SBU/comments/2oq9n9/transferring_inmaybe/

some awful feedback about the food.  worse about the condition of the dorms and repairs.  and then this: "living here is so miserable that I wish I looked anywhere else."  "nothing has ever even reached the level of disgusting this place has".  "even most of those who live on campus go home on weekends, so they're usually quite dead. For example, I've walked across campus in the middle of a Saturday and not seen a single person in 20 minutes. There are also fewer food selections on weekends to compensate for this." "living here leaves much to be desired. If I could choose, I would have gone somewhere else. That's how unfortunate living here has been, and I have a group of friends."
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 04, 2015, 09:27:08 am
was poking around the hofstra threads... why?  because despite being a different university, they share a lot of the same issues we do, with student disaffection.

http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40417&start=2600#p1280221

read this post and the one after it.  you can pump money into facilities, grow the student body, build a nice campus, and even hire a good coach who can bring in recruits.

but you'll still find disaffected students. 

fairfield too- arguably another school that has much in common with SB: http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40417&start=2600#p1280659
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 09, 2015, 09:06:02 am
and while we are on that topic- looking at our rival schools is instructive, i think: http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52587&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p1281308
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 14, 2015, 10:38:07 am
noticed this new seal that i havent seen before- anyone know the origin of this?  i found it on wiki.  it includes the shield that was put in place a few years ago but now is an entirely new seal:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Official_Stony_Brook_University_seal_-_no_background.gif)

an improvement!  good work SB.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 05, 2015, 04:59:35 pm
another post about a rival local school- same problem: http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40417&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=2720#p1293306
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 29, 2015, 09:20:00 pm
great news here- SB to open a pharma school in 2016!  http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/stony-brook-university-to-open-pharmacy-school-next-year-1.10074058

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on June 10, 2015, 01:14:21 pm
another step in the right direction: http://www.stonybrookathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061015aaa.html

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Stony Brook introduces Seawolves Town
LaValle Stadium parking lot to be transformed into Long Island's premier game day experience
 
 "Seawolves Town will feature music, interactive events and a team walk before the game while fans will be able to reserve their own space where they can bring in food and drinks. Our priority is to create a big time college football atmosphere where the energy and excitement around LaValle Stadium gets everyone fired up to cheer on the Seawolves."
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on June 10, 2015, 02:57:13 pm
another step in the right direction: http://www.stonybrookathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061015aaa.html

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Stony Brook introduces Seawolves Town
LaValle Stadium parking lot to be transformed into Long Island's premier game day experience
 
 "Seawolves Town will feature music, interactive events and a team walk before the game while fans will be able to reserve their own space where they can bring in food and drinks. Our priority is to create a big time college football atmosphere where the energy and excitement around LaValle Stadium gets everyone fired up to cheer on the Seawolves."


I bought 3 spots in the red zone 12-14.. Christina from tickets said at 12:00 today. the red zone was just about all sold out. I think thats terrific!!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on June 12, 2015, 07:20:59 am
i didnt know where else to put this- charles wang and billy joel get honorary degrees: http://sb.cc.stonybrook.edu/news/general/2015-05-22-stony-brook-university-commencement-2015.php
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on June 21, 2015, 09:48:42 pm
similar to the math we did about attendance- some analysis on how we intend to fill up LaValle and IFCU: http://brook.land/2015/06/inside-the-mission-to-sell-out-every-home-game/

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Because LaValle Stadium is built with future expansions in mind, there are a lot of open spaces in which you can fit many many more than 8,300 people. That’s how Stony Brook was able to squeeze an extra 3,000 fans into the place last September for Homecoming vs. William & Mary (official attendance: 11,301). Last year’s home opener, a Thursday night game, also led to a higher-than-occupancy crowd of 10,252.

All told, the official attendance figure last year was 42,629. Six sellouts of 8,300 seats would have been 49,800. That works out to an average attendance of 7,105 per game, or 86% capacity. Suddenly the prospect of reaching 100% attendance doesn’t seem so farfetched.

“Hold on a second,” you’re no doubt saying, “that doesn’t count! Boosting attendance at some games to offset low attendance at others isn’t the same thing as selling out every game!”
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on June 29, 2015, 08:18:30 pm
The Seawolves United  Website is up and running as of today.  This is really a great cause to advance our Athletic Facilities and Teams to hopefully the next level.  I attended the get together in May at Danfords and our AD  and the coaching staffs are behind this 100%.  If you  can  read through the info on the website and donate if you can every little bit will help.  The Indoor Practice facility and the stadium expansion are top priority. It also mentions expanding several  women's teams and keeping SBU in the fore front of athletics for years to come.  This is  our opportunity as fans and alums  to help  build something special.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on June 29, 2015, 08:44:15 pm
agreed,  http://seawolvesunited.com/home/

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 12, 2015, 09:04:01 pm
i was writing earlier about our tradition- and then i stumbled upon this today: http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/libspecial/collections/archives/rg62/index.html

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Concerts
Jerry Rubin of Chicago, late 1960s/early 1970s
Chicago, Allman Brothers, Bob Kosser, April 28 (late 1960s/early 1970s)
The Clash, 26 April 1984
Pink Floyd, April 11 (late 1960s/early 1970s)

Athletics
NCAA East regional championship, 1978, 1979
Patriots Basketball, 1982-1983
Football, 1983, 1984
Varsity Cheerleaders, 1983-1984
Summer Gymnastic Camp
Ticket stub: Stony Brook University Seawolves Football vs. Sacred Heart, 19 October 2002 (first game as "Seawolves")

of course, that last one is way off!

more here: http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/libspecial/collections/archives/index.html

(http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/libspecial/images/graduation.JPG)

the first graduating class in oyster bay, 1961!

https://www.pinterest.com/sbuspec/first-campus-planting-fields-in-oyster-bay-ny-1957/

first graduation: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/571957221396922775/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/571957221396922772/
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 20, 2015, 09:14:12 pm
http://sb.cc.stonybrook.edu/happenings/alumni/consumers-digest-names-stony-brook-university-the-5-most-valuable-public-university/

Consumers Digest Names Stony Brook University the #5 Most Valuable Public University
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on July 20, 2015, 09:15:29 pm
http://sb.cc.stonybrook.edu/news/general/2015_07_02_computer_science_open.php

New Computer Science Building Is Open for Business, Education and Infinite Innovation 

Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 31, 2015, 08:07:17 pm
a listing of some of the better acts to play at SB: http://brook.land/2015/08/the-ultimate-stony-brook-playlist/
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 16, 2015, 10:12:32 am
I mentioned earlier in the thread that there are a few new dorms going up in the space between the union and gray college, irving college, and the wang center and the staller center. 

in the spring I walked by the construction and it blew my mind how different it is and the open space is all gone.  here is the latest aerial: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9169112,-73.1196732,278m/data=!3m1!1e3

looks like they knocked out the grass field behind irving college too.  and the forest across from the wang center.

as a side note- I wonder why they never built a tower, a la UMass or Albany.  not that I like towers.  Im just saying im sure they considered it and of course it saves room.  could be an eye sore of course.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 20, 2015, 12:49:14 pm
This is kind of a very, very random thought, but looking at a map, there is still some good open land around the university that it can develop should it ever want to expand.  Not that it should, im just wondering whether the U has purchased open plots, for example, when it purchased Flowerfield.  We all know the Southampton thing never really caught on as its too far away.  Geography matters.  This is why building LaValle at south P would’ve been a disaster.

I remember once I ventured a few miles west to the Kings Park Psychiatric Center.  It’s empty, owned by the state, and even though its kind of eerie, it looks like some nice buildings that aren’t getting any use.  There’s some open land.  And its about 4 miles west of the U and there’s over 100 buildings (some in disrepair).  I wonder if they’ve ever made a move for it and if so, what they could do with it.  Random, I know.

Then I did some reading and saw that numerous developers made attempts to purchase it, but the obstacles are asbestos, unstable foundations, and the fact that it supplied its own power might have left contaminants.  So it looks like its too expensive to clean up and some of the land converted to the nissequogue park 20 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_Park_Psychiatric_Center
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on October 20, 2015, 03:42:52 pm
I saw those new dorms  this past Saturday pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 17, 2015, 06:12:52 am
we talked a while ago about adding a rivalry trophy with albany: http://www.stonybrookathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111615aab.html
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 22, 2015, 12:11:44 am
so the recent post about selling out LaValle for 2015: http://brook.land/2015/06/inside-the-mission-to-sell-out-every-home-game/

what was our final count?  6 times 8210 (ignoring standing room, which is really only for Homecoming) is 50,000.

our final count is... 43,607 (avg 7300 or 89% full).  id say those #s are good.

however, id like to hear thoughts on whether those #s are artificially inflated (purchased tickets but no show) or perhaps the #s are skewed by Homecoming attendance.  the stands rarely look 90% full.

take out towson (12,177) and you've got 31,500.  divided by 5 is 6,300 and we are more like 77% full.  not awful, but not a great case for expansion.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: sbufan on November 22, 2015, 01:28:58 pm
Unfortunately, I don't think we were even close the announced attendance of 7158 yesterday.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on November 22, 2015, 07:46:14 pm
  I  think it will be quite awhile before  we sell out  for every  game.  Our best bet is between 6k and 7k which  would be great.  Expanding the stadium I guess will happen  but not too soon, 20k or 21k  is a lot to fill every week .    We cant even  sell out our arena  fro basketball and that's only  4k .
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: jaghatai on November 22, 2015, 08:01:21 pm
The numbers were inflated yesterday because of the free tickets given out to all hoops season-ticket holders.

I can't honestly imagine there were more than ~5k yesterday.  Student section was virtually empty, too, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 30, 2015, 05:33:15 am
on the golden apple: http://brook.land/2015/11/what-is-the-golden-apple-a-primer/

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Since then, both teams have won at home, but neither has done a particularly good job of making the most of what could eventually turn into one of the most exciting weekends of the college football season.

It has been a failure on many levels. Stony Brook tried to hype the rivalry in year one, opening up a contest to “name the game” before settling on the Empire Clash. In year two, Albany was cursed with lousy weather, which kept the crowds small.

The idea that a $50 trophy could completely change the demeanor of a college football game may seem preposterous, and that’s because it is. Nevertheless, the introduction of the Golden Apple this year gives both programs something tangible to play for. If handled properly, the trophy will be imbued with a sense of purpose and significance by both schools, a physical manifestation of bragging rights. Even when the season is lost, ensuring the trophy remains on campus — or returns to it, as these things go — should be a central focus of each team. During the off-season, it should be on display prominently in either school’s basketball arena for all to see. Having the Golden Apple in your possession must be of the utmost importance to incoming freshmen and graduating seniors alike.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on December 29, 2015, 09:03:39 pm
campus 1964:

(http://s9.postimg.org/7g4rkiimn/unnamed.jpg)

the "health and physical education building"

(http://s27.postimg.org/yo56xv4oj/unnamed_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 12, 2016, 04:03:37 pm
more old photos to show how far we've come:

original Melville Library, with Earth Space & Sciences on the left:

(http://library.stonybrook.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1970June_Library2.jpg)

the next iteration of the Melville Library, with Psychology on the left, Chemistry in the back, Humanities in the foreground:

(http://library.stonybrook.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Library_1971-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on January 12, 2016, 04:56:49 pm
Thanks love see  pictures like this measuring progress to the present  era.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on January 14, 2016, 09:19:18 pm
heilbron launched "together we transform thursday".  a weekly blog. http://www.stonybrookathletics.com/genrel/011416aad.html

another piece is put into place.  well done.

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I am often asked about the progress of our fundraising initiatives so wanted to provide an update. The highest priority for our department is to raise $5,000,000 in order to match the lead gift provided by Glenn and Eva Dubin for the construction of a new Indoor Training Center. To date, we have received more than $200,000 in cash and commitments toward the match. While there is always a sense of urgency with any fundraising initiative, it is important to note that since we announced the Dubin Challenge in October, our staff has spent the past months educating our supporters about the importance of this project. I encourage everyone to be a part of this project by making a contribution at https://alumniandfriends.stonybrook.edu/main-site/external/giving-to-stony-brook-dubin-challenge. It is true that every gift matters so I am exceedingly grateful for your support!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 11, 2016, 12:57:03 pm
I didn't know this... but paul reiser was rejected from SBU!!! http://sbstatesman.com/2016/02/09/once-rejected-from-stony-brook-paul-reiser-makes-his-mark-years-later/

came back and did a comedy show anyway.  good man.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 26, 2016, 05:32:44 pm
a lot of progress here... all in the last few years: http://www.stonybrookathletics.com/genrel/022516aaa.html
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 27, 2016, 09:10:21 pm
https://alumniandfriends.stonybrook.edu/stony-brook-university-presidents-far-beyond-tour-2016?erid=23296076&trid=fcb0f27f-1d28-4bd3-b5a0-d8891ae09214

stanley going on a tour.  i cant make it but i hope someone here is going and can fill us in???
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on June 02, 2016, 08:41:19 am
Dowling College to close. http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/dowling-college-in-oakdale-closes-its-doors-after-48-years-1.11861115

similar to southampton, id have to imagine they've at least considered a partnership with SB, except for this:

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Dowling College, the 48-year-old liberal arts school in Suffolk County, will cease operations and close its doors effective Friday afternoon after failed efforts to grow enrollment and find a suitable academic partner to stabilize the debt-ridden institution.

so I guess that real estate will just sit there now...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/dowling-college-is-to-close-1464742372

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Also, in July of 2015, Dowling became the first higher-education institution rated by Moody’s Investors Service to default, according to a Moody’s spokesman.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on June 02, 2016, 09:54:39 am
SBU should look into taking over their dorms and athletics fields in Brookhaven.  Went to an SBU baseball game their when Joe Nathan Field was being done,  Really nice facilities  with lights and plenty of parking and real restrooms.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on August 30, 2016, 10:24:45 am
a good step in the right direction, from pres Stanley:

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Undergoing similar transformation is the outdated image of Stony Brook as a commuter school. With the addition of our new $168.6 million, 759-room Toll Drive residence halls with integrated dining facilities, we now have more than 10,300 on-campus beds, more than any in the entire SUNY system — a necessity given that our student population has swelled to a record 25,272.


with over 10k students having a bed on campus, SBU should not find a way to be a ghost town on weekends.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on August 30, 2016, 02:07:43 pm
Exactly and others live in off campus housing and should come out support football this season.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on August 30, 2016, 03:13:11 pm
Exactly and others live in off campus housing and should come out support football this season.

One would think that would be the case. SB University has a pretty high percentage of students who are Asians, and Asians typically dont follow or go to Football games. It is what it is...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on September 29, 2016, 09:26:46 pm
this is a great idea and a good deal- buy a brick for $150 on the new legacy way: https://alumniandfriends.stonybrook.edu/administration/brick-personalization-donation-form?erid=26240256&trid=ffa20807-f62c-437b-83a8-cfe19db08198
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 14, 2016, 03:53:13 pm
$1m renovation to the melville library http://www.stonybrook.edu/happenings/alumni/president-stanley-delivers-state-of-the-university-address-showcases-revamped-library/
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on December 01, 2016, 07:30:57 am
this is from a year ago, but i just found it: http://tbrnewsmedia.com/stony-brook-explores-shopping-center-proposal/

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His proposal aims to improve the Route 25A corridor across from Stony Brook’s Long Island Rail Road station, which was once known as the old Gustafson property. Farahzad’s Stony Brook Square will include restaurants, a bank and a coffee shop, among other small businesses.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on December 01, 2016, 08:03:06 am
That area needs a serious makeover and should be considered a priority... It would also be more attractive to future university students who are not from the area..I envision a mini Port Jeff village... Quaint shops, and like Stony Brook village.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on December 01, 2016, 08:50:57 am
after a bit of googling I found that the site (Gustafson?) is where the nursery is, to the left of the bench.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on December 30, 2016, 03:55:01 pm
In SH last weekly blog of 2016 he said some major changes will be happening around SB, specifically with SB Basketball. Not sure what he is talking about outside of what we already know with recruits..

 "The month of January will feature several exciting announcements. For starters, we plan to introduce our new volleyball coach very early in the new year and will also be sharing some exciting news related to men's basketball. The renovation of University Pool is in its final stages and is on schedule for completion in January. It will be a busy – but incredibly energizing – first month of 2017 for Stony Brook Athletics."

SH also said that LaValle stadium expansion has begun and that they are very close to starting with the indoor workout facilities ..
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 18, 2017, 06:23:48 pm
fans- purchase your brick for $150 by 2/20 and it will get installed in the first wave!  bought mine today: https://alumniandfriends.stonybrook.edu/administration/brick-personalization-donation-form
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 18, 2017, 10:28:54 pm
We bought a brick for our daughter Class of 1997
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 23, 2017, 09:59:18 am
same here!  thanks for contributing!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: OldSeawolf on March 08, 2017, 10:21:14 am
This is a re-post (I recently posted this in the Conference Realignment thread, but is more appropriate to be here).  It pertains to the football program.

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There are ways to fill the stands, but it will not happen overnight.  Winning certainly breeds enthusiasm which will help fill the stands.  Look at what the signing of Warney did to the basketball program.  Getting that kind of marquis player can do wonders for a team, and its ability to draw fans at the gate.  Is it easy to get that kind of marquis star to come to Stony Brook.....no way!  It takes work and perseverance on many levels, and sometimes takes a bit of luck as well.

Regarding football, you have to start at home on Long Island, IMO.  3MM people live out here and we're the only DI football team on the Island.  There are lots of kids who want to stay home, play football at the D1 level, but know they aren't good enough to play at Alabama or a marquis football program, but are outstanding players.  We need to recruit heavily from the area, and establish a presence, that becomes a magnet for strong local talent.  And most of all, you need to attract a Long Island QB that can be the fulcrum of the team.  Coaching aside, it all starts with the QB.

Here are some ideas on how to fill the stands, and how to obtain the best talent on Long Island.  It takes money to market the team, so we need to budget for these items, but the payoff (prestige and financial) will come down the road:

1) Offer a free full-year academic scholarship to one lucky student every game.  Advertise this in the campus newspapers and with flyers around campus and especially, in the dorms.  No excuse for students not packing the stands every week;

2) SBU athletic staff needs to stay plugged in to the High School football programs on Long Island, particularly the strong ones.  Provide free tickets to High School
Football Programs in the area, on a rotating basis, to help promote the SBU brand.  Do this for every game.  Create a buzz amongst Long Island High School players;

3) Create a free weekly digital magazine for the football team, that is distributed to every Long Island High School football program, and to local community members.  You need the locals to start identifying with the only game in town, and a digital magazine adds credence and visibility to the program;

4) Establish weekly coaching media segments on News12, WFAN, and on Newsday.com without fail;

5) Establish bonuses for coaching staffs and even the AD.  Let part of the compensation packages be contingent on performance on the field.  Winning attracts talent, not only athletically, but academically as well.  Winning fills seats, even if it's 35 degrees outside and raining.

Yes, we are doing some of this already, but we need to do it better, if we want to grow the program, and take that next step.  It's a process, and it takes time.  Attracting talent and winning will result in more talent being acquired, more fan interest, and will snowball as time moves on.

We've come a long way over the years for sure, but there's a much longer and more fruitful journey ahead to get to the next plateau.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 08, 2017, 02:42:54 pm
thanks for posting here- great ideas and very constructive.  i like the idea about the magazine, the HS programs, etc. 

getting the stands full is hard sometimes even when the weather is good, the opponent is good, etc.  why cant we get students to the game?

because they are disaffected.  lots of them didnt play football; have no interest in sports.  didnt go to schools with spirit.  football is taking a beating in the press these days as a barbarian sport.  rather play video games or go to the pub.  or, study.

but those arent the big issues.  the biggest is- how do we even get students to stay on campus?  there's something like 11 thousand beds?!?!?!?

you need to give them a reason to stay.  why cant we focus on this issue and really attack it?  every time it comes up we end up talking about something else.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on March 08, 2017, 02:52:58 pm
looks like chavez hall and tubman hall opened up, just south of irving college in mendelsohn quad, north of the staller center and wang center: http://www.stonybrook.edu/happenings/homespotlight/ribbon-cutting-marks-the-completion-of-chavez-and-tubman-residence-halls-and-east-side-dining/

thats 759 new beds, a rooftop garden, eclectic mix of cuisines, the largest dining hall on campus, and now SB is the second largest residential campus in NY (behind NYU). http://studentaffairs.stonybrook.edu/res/news/chavez.html

students must have s 3.0 to get in.

http://www.sbstatesman.com/2016/11/13/toll-drive-buildings-named-after-civil-rights-activists/
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 27, 2017, 09:16:04 am
when are they going to do something about this.  it is literally hurting the entire university.

https://www.yahoo.com/style/americas-ugliest-college-campuses-204542557.html
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: OldSeawolf on April 27, 2017, 09:34:38 am
when are they going to do something about this.  it is literally hurting the entire university.

https://www.yahoo.com/style/americas-ugliest-college-campuses-204542557.html

LOL.  The campus is a lot nicer now than when I attended, a few hundred years ago  :)  If you look at that list of schools, many of them are top-ranked Universities, including SBU, so beauty and ranking doesn't have a high correlation necessarily.   With Cuomo's "free tuition" plan in play, the demand for going to SBU will only increase, and the threshold for getting admitted will only go up.  All good for SBU's ranking and status, IMO.  Not sure if SBU administration has any incentive currently to beautify the campus to a larger extent.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on April 27, 2017, 03:38:44 pm
I would hope newer construction will easier on the eyes  I guess  time will tell.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on April 27, 2017, 04:28:15 pm
I would hope newer construction will easier on the eyes  I guess  time will tell.

Who cares what the facade looks like on the outside. It's what inside and behind the desk that counts. Stupid article!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 07, 2017, 08:42:13 pm
im two years late to this- but renditions of the student union for when it is renovated: https://twitter.com/GPCannella/status/667072778055626752/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsbindependent.org%2Fsb-union-gets-revamped-in-2016%2F
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: VA_Seawolf on October 07, 2017, 09:08:35 pm
im two years late to this- but renditions of the student union for when it is renovated: https://twitter.com/GPCannella/status/667072778055626752/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsbindependent.org%2Fsb-union-gets-revamped-in-2016%2F

I freakin love it!!! Long overdue and will be a huge boon for the campus once this gets done.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on October 10, 2017, 08:46:50 pm
pres report: http://sbf.convio.net/site/DocServer/October_2017_Brd._Meeting_President_s_Report_-_Final_-_F.pdf?docID=242&autologin=true

-southampton hospital joins the system
-secured an additional $22.6 million in gifts and pledges since the board last met
-includes $100,000 for the Basketball program
-26k total enrollment, up 255 from last year
-USN&WR #97 among US colleges and universities; #41 among public universities
-Money Magazine best value #54 overall and #32 among public universities
-Empire State Development Corporation granted Stony Brook $75 million for Medicine and Engineering (I-DIME)
-Engineering and Applied Sciences has been awarded two grants totaling $4.5 million from SUNY’s Empire Innovation Program
-Simons Foundation gives $5m for nuclear science
-Computer Science awarded $3.5m to research cybersecurity and data privacy
-Melian named finalist for NCAA woman of the year
-Athletic teams break record with a cumulative 3.15 avg
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on October 23, 2017, 02:56:01 pm
im two years late to this- but renditions of the student union for when it is renovated: https://twitter.com/GPCannella/status/667072778055626752/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsbindependent.org%2Fsb-union-gets-revamped-in-2016%2F

Wow. I don't believe it. Is that really how it's going to look! That's amazing. Basically a new building.

I though it was going to be a reno?! I guess not?!? It looks like a brand new build to me...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 11, 2017, 02:37:19 pm
good news here- could sell naming rights to the hospital.  to jim simons' firm.

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/stony-brook-medical-school-name-renaissance-technologies-1.14871487
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Wolfie_MD on November 11, 2017, 03:32:32 pm
I think that's a silly name for the medical school- I don't know any other med school in the country named after a firm and not a family name.

Simons School of Medicine sounds a heck of a lot better.

<=== alumnus of the medical school
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on November 11, 2017, 07:33:26 pm
 I agree Wolfie MD . That sounds  professional and quite impressive.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: ecasadoSBU on November 12, 2017, 12:12:52 am
I guess this is the era we live in... where the rich folks want to tag their name on everything.

Why not just leave it as the Stony Brook U. School of Medicine? Make our brand stronger...
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on November 12, 2017, 10:05:33 am
sorry i meant it more that if we sell, it would be to someone who has been associated with the U, a former professor, and has dumped over $100m in the past.  this isnt a one-time donation from an outsider. 
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 05, 2018, 01:45:52 pm
didnt know this... we bidded to get $100m and free land in midtown to build a campus.  cornell won out: http://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/387-11/mayor-bloomberg-next-steps-city-s-groundbreaking-economic-development-initiative
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 05, 2018, 02:48:53 pm
That would have been a big feather in our cap.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 05, 2018, 03:00:06 pm
what is interesting though- the alternative sites were gov's island (not reachable other than by boat) or the brooklyn navy yard, which is bigger than roosevelt, and not an island, but is a minimum one mile walk from any subway (a fixable problem with years and $$$).

the point being- that land is open and local officials have considered it for higher ed, with incentives. 

we already have a foothold on the east side, and a LARGE alumni base in the area.  just sayin.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 08, 2018, 05:21:05 pm
didnt know this... we bidded to get $100m and free land in midtown to build a campus.  cornell won out: http://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/387-11/mayor-bloomberg-next-steps-city-s-groundbreaking-economic-development-initiative

Not sure what the criteria was for winning the bid (I'm guessing $ had something to do with it), but Stony Brook still lacks name recognition in NYC, and maybe that had something to do with the final decision.

My son lives and works in NYC (for a major brokerage house), and he is a Stony Brook graduate.  At work, when people ask him where he graduated from, he still needs to clarify "I went to Stony Brook, ya know, on Long Island".  Lots of his co-workers went to big name schools (many from out-of-state), but he still gets blank stares and rolls of the eyes, when he mentions his alma mater. 

We still have a branding problem, and IMO, should be getting the word out more in NYC, along with Long Island.  My youngest daughter is currently an UG at SBU, and she tells me that Career Days at SBU are still 90% Long Island-based companies.  Why aren't we reaching out to more companies in NYC and telling them about our wonderful University?  Why aren't we advertising more in NYC in general?  How about a digital ad in Times Square?   Create a buzz, and they will come.

Takes money to make money, and if we ramp up our advertising budget, maybe we'll beat out Cornell next time round.  This University has come a long way from when I attended for sure, but seems like we've been stuck at the current plateau for a bit too long.   There's more room to climb.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Seawolf97 on February 08, 2018, 10:00:47 pm
You have a good point . We  don't get the word out for academics or athletics and that continues t hurt us . I heard some folks at the game talking about that tonight in regard to football and basketball .
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 09, 2018, 12:51:07 am
I find it unbelievable that we lack name recognition in NYC when that's our primary market and we're the closest SUNY flagship to the city. We have to do better than that.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 18, 2018, 01:20:02 pm
you guys should REALLY check this out: http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/advancement/_images/Presidents_Roadshow_PPT_Feb18_updated.pdf

especially slides 7, 15, 44, 48
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 18, 2018, 03:47:05 pm
you guys should REALLY check this out: http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/advancement/_images/Presidents_Roadshow_PPT_Feb18_updated.pdf

especially slides 7, 15, 44, 48

Great find and great stuff! I love that stat on upward mobility of our alums.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 20, 2018, 09:21:53 pm
because it was brought up in the other thread...

take a quick skim- http://www.studentsreview.com/specific_detail.php3?uid=1011&f=Social

or this one- https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/1576092-is-the-stony-brook-party-scene-as-bad-as-they-say.html

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Ok so I'm a senior right now in high school and I want to do pre med/pre dental in college. I'm mainly considering Suny Stony Brook, Suny Binghamton, and Suny Albany. I know that SBU is awesome academically, and I would love to go there, but I'm getting worried about the numerous student reviews all over the internet.

I want to go away to college to get a good education, but also party...a lot. I've heard that Stony Brook is pretty much dead on the weekends and that there are almost no parties. Is it true? Is it that bad that I should look to a lower ranked ( but still good) school like UAlbany? ( which is known for having a great nightlife/party scene).
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on February 21, 2018, 07:30:08 am
because it was brought up in the other thread...

take a quick skim- http://www.studentsreview.com/specific_detail.php3?uid=1011&f=Social

or this one- https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/1576092-is-the-stony-brook-party-scene-as-bad-as-they-say.html

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Ok so I'm a senior right now in high school and I want to do pre med/pre dental in college. I'm mainly considering Suny Stony Brook, Suny Binghamton, and Suny Albany. I know that SBU is awesome academically, and I would love to go there, but I'm getting worried about the numerous student reviews all over the internet.

I want to go away to college to get a good education, but also party...a lot. I've heard that Stony Brook is pretty much dead on the weekends and that there are almost no parties. Is it true? Is it that bad that I should look to a lower ranked ( but still good) school like UAlbany? ( which is known for having a great nightlife/party scene).

A couple of years ago I was talking about how my son, who is now a Junior in HS, was considering SB for his education.. Well, not that he is older and talking to many people about how bad SB is with their social life and how the professors are hard to understand has decided to withdraw SB as an option.. Looks like upstate NY SUNY schools are his choices. Binghampton, Oneonta, Cortland..
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 21, 2018, 09:45:27 am
because it was brought up in the other thread...

take a quick skim- http://www.studentsreview.com/specific_detail.php3?uid=1011&f=Social

or this one- https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/1576092-is-the-stony-brook-party-scene-as-bad-as-they-say.html

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Ok so I'm a senior right now in high school and I want to do pre med/pre dental in college. I'm mainly considering Suny Stony Brook, Suny Binghamton, and Suny Albany. I know that SBU is awesome academically, and I would love to go there, but I'm getting worried about the numerous student reviews all over the internet.

I want to go away to college to get a good education, but also party...a lot. I've heard that Stony Brook is pretty much dead on the weekends and that there are almost no parties. Is it true? Is it that bad that I should look to a lower ranked ( but still good) school like UAlbany? ( which is known for having a great nightlife/party scene).

A couple of years ago I was talking about how my son, who is now a Junior in HS, was considering SB for his education.. Well, not that he is older and talking to many people about how bad SB is with their social life and how the professors are hard to understand has decided to withdraw SB as an option.. Looks like upstate NY SUNY schools are his choices. Binghampton, Oneonta, Cortland..

Maybe I'm showing my age and orientation towards this (I don't drink or use drugs), but I personally think "social life" is given way too much in level of importance.  More kids than ever are going to college, and here is what is most important, IMO, to separate oneself from the pack:

- Go to the best school you can get into for the $
- Major in something that is employable
- Get the best grades possible
- Learn as much as you can
- Internship, internship, internship

This is not being stated to brag, but just a statement of fact.  My oldest 2 graduated from SBU, followed the 5 points above, and are both highly successful in their chosen careers.  I have a 3rd going there now, and she is on a similar path.  They had a social life, but they always put academics ahead of all, for that I'm very proud of them.  I'm certainly not saying that SBU is the only game in town, but their degrees, relative to the cost paid, have been worth quite a bit in industry.

IMO, although having a social life and getting involved on campus is important, it is not the most important thing.   If that pre-med kid wants to stay pre-med, I'd suggest to curtail the partying.  Again IMO, social life is highly over-rated in the grand scheme of things.

All that said, I wish the kids would hang out more on weekends, and attend sporting events.  But as a 40% commuter school, and with a good bunch living close to campus, the exodus on weekends is an unfortunate reality.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 21, 2018, 09:52:21 am
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I personally think "social life" is given way too much in level of importance

yes, but, the question is which matters- the reality or the perception? 

either way you see it- we are losing students because of this.  good, competitive students.  the unfortunate reality is turning out to be very costly.

i think if you fix this fixable problem- a LOT of other things will fall into place.  i'm happy to expand.

i also note that quite a few of our competitors have a similar problem, though perhaps not as acute.

you should brag about your success stories at SBU- we need more of that here.  ;D
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: OldSeawolf on February 21, 2018, 10:29:14 am
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I personally think "social life" is given way too much in level of importance

yes, but, the question is which matters- the reality or the perception? 

either way you see it- we are losing students because of this.  good, competitive students.  the unfortunate reality is turning out to be very costly.

i think if you fix this fixable problem- a LOT of other things will fall into place.  i'm happy to expand.

i also note that quite a few of our competitors have a similar problem, though perhaps not as acute.

you should brag about your success stories at SBU- we need more of that here.  ;D

I also think that it is very hard for us to compete from an aesthetic standpoint, as many private institutions are built on park-like grounds, and unfortunately, many kids (and their parents) choose their destination school based on "looks", which adds to your stated perception problem.  Very hard for a state school to compete with this.  And BTW, I don't disagree with your argument, because perception does dictate a lot of decisions.  We want to rank as highly as possible in any sort of survey; yes, even the social one.

What I'd like SBU to tout more - and to me personally, this is the most important stat of all - Stony Brook ranks 33rd (tie) in the country, on Annual % ROI (Return on Investment) - that is, graduation salary relative to cost paid for the education.  We were 14th on this list a couple of years ago, so we have dipped a bit, but still quite impressive:

https://www.payscale.com/college-roi?page=130  (click on Annual % tab)

Put this one on the reality side of the board, but if marketed correctly, could grab the attention of some of those students that we are letting get away.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 21, 2018, 10:32:32 am
that's a similar point to the one im making- about perception vs reality. 

my larger point i guess is that the campus is so bereft of any student life that it hamstrings SBU from truly becoming a great, world class, university.  instead it's a safety choice. 

they've really got to do something about this.  and strawberries aint gonna cut it.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: VA_Seawolf on February 21, 2018, 10:36:38 pm
I disagree with OldSeawolf. Lack of a strong social scene on campus is the number one detriment to SBU. Why choose SBU when students can still get a good education but also enjoy their time elsewhere? I agree that if we're going to become truly world class, we've got to get those rankings up. I agree it's hard given the commuter image, but the school has to change. I think the new dorms and having more students on campus is helping with that. I also think maybe pulling in more kids from beyond NYC/state lines could help with this too.
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on February 22, 2018, 10:00:31 am
if bingo, buff and UA can do it, SB can do it.  we have some structual/design flaws that make it challenging. 

however, there is good news.  firstly, we have all the other pieces in place.  secondly, we were once there, just need to get back.  thirdly, we have a large student body and surrounding population (1/3 of the state is in the LI/NY area).  fourthly, our local peers in this space have the same issue (hof, SJU, fairfield, dowling, farm state, adelphi, molloy, jersey tech, army, umbc, purchase, etc).

if we can master this, or at least improve it, i really believe that all other things will fall into place.  we go from being a safety to a first choice.  we simply cannot grow in this age with those kinds of internet pages (posted above).  toothpaste is out of the bottle and now forever stuck on the web.

anyway, now on to constructive thoughts.  how to fix???
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Wolffan on February 22, 2018, 03:48:47 pm
For the last 30 years I have been a high school teacher here on Long Island and have written hundreds of recommendations for college bound students.
 
Stony Brook is no longer a secret and is now the top choice (along with Binghamton)  for our brightest SUNY-bound kids. That is a big change from just seven or eight years ago and I see that trend continuing. It is not, I say again is not, a safety school for the SUNY-bound  - one glance at Naviance tells the kids I teach how difficult admissions are now.

The campus beautification efforts and successful D-1 programs are part of SBU's  increased and growing reputation amongst the college-bound. The impressive academic credentials of the applicants also contributes to our reputation.  As an added bonus, the price is right for New Yorkers - the saavy SUNY-bound kids are now asking themselves, "Why go anywhere else?"

Oddly enough, by now drawing more and more of the very strong students from NYC and LI (as we now do),  we may continue to be a campus that tends to empty out a bit on the weekends. That's okay.

And BTW, some of the top academic students tend to hit "College Confidential", here is a recent SBU thread for those who are wondering at SBU's reputation:

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/suny-stony-brook/2038618-stony-brook-university-class-of-2022-decisions.html



Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on April 03, 2018, 03:07:51 pm
so it turns out we have a Weekend Life Council.  here's what they came up with: https://sbindependent.org/a-fun-night-at-wolfie-putt-putt-and-arcade/

http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/studentaffairs/sac/weekend_life/
You can look forward to Paint Nights, Button Making, Tie-dye T-shirts and more!
Our events are all free and range from movie nights, Murder Mystery dinners, Hypnotists, water parks, food expos, and much more!


mug painting, trivia night, etc.
http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/studentaffairs/sac/weekend_life/programming

well, they are trying!!!
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Chairman of the Board on May 23, 2018, 01:14:55 pm
another reason they've really got to facelift the campus- https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/beautiful-public-college-campuses-michigan-virginia-hawaii/travel

PS i highly doubt UA belongs on this list
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
Post by: Hammertime on May 23, 2018, 07:00:03 pm
another reason they've really got to facelift the campus- https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/beautiful-public-college-campuses-michigan-virginia-hawaii/travel

PS i highly doubt UA belongs on this list

I totally agree. UA shouldn't be close to being on that list. Down town Albany is the arm pit of the world. I also feel SBU shouldn't be on that list as well. Not even close to being attractive..
Title: Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
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