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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2014, 11:49:55 am »
Exactly, we can't be taken serious if we can't draw 3000+ for MBB games. and attendance for football needs to climb to the 6500-7000 range. Its harder than what i though to build a following in Long Island.

Not just in Long Island.. North East region in general. From DC to Boston... Pro sports rule! So many NBA, NFL, MLB teams congested in this "Northeast Megapolis" that everyone has a team nearby to cheer on.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis#National_professional_sports_teams


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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2015, 12:18:22 pm »
That  would be a good fit for them  .  Wish them luck

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2017, 05:48:21 pm »
Liberty University is moving up to FBS as an independent thanks to an NCAA waver:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18700117/liberty-football-moving-fbs-independent


I think this is huge. The NCAA had a looming battle coming on whether or not they had the right to deny teams to move up on their own accord and play as independents. They either could fight a long legal battle and lose, or weaken/eliminate the "you must be invited by an existing FBS conference" clause. They chose the ladder. With this move now, there isn't any grounds to deny any other team from moving up to FBS as an independent (assuming they meet all other FBS requirements like attendance, scholarships, etc.). If Liberty, with all their baggage can get a waiver, so can any other school. I say this is a fantastic development for us as it now opens the door for an independent move up and/or formation of a Northeastern G5 football conference down the line. We no longer have to hope and pray the MAC or AAC gives us a look, we can move on our own if we're ready and want to.
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2017, 08:15:47 pm »
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2017, 09:48:13 pm »
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .

I was once a big time advocate for a move up to FBS, but maybe we should start off with a winning year, first. Ever since the move from the Big South to the CAA, SB cant gain any traction.

Hopefully with the addition of the interior work out facility SB can recruit better players and a real quarterback, then we can talk about an FBS move. I also think they have the money to do it, just not the talent, yet!!!!!!   

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2017, 11:33:06 pm »
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .

I was once a big time advocate for a move up to FBS, but maybe we should start off with a winning year, first. Ever since the move from the Big South to the CAA, SB cant gain any traction.

Hopefully with the addition of the interior work out facility SB can recruit better players and a real quarterback, then we can talk about an FBS move. I also think they have the money to do it, just not the talent, yet!!!!!!

I too would like to see some FCS success before a move up in a similar vein to what JMU accomplished this year before a move up, but that's not a requirement for me. We shouldn't move tomorrow, but it would be in our best interest to be FBS within the next 6-7 years before the next CFP contract gets negotiated as we'd want to be a part of that. Ideally as part of a regional conference of peer institutions.

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2017, 05:26:43 am »
This is big for Liberty and for us. Don't know how our finances are  probably not great but it is something to work for.  I don't know what goes in the IVY Tower but I'm sure this will be discussed .  Still would like the MAC or AAC as a conference someday .

I was once a big time advocate for a move up to FBS, but maybe we should start off with a winning year, first. Ever since the move from the Big South to the CAA, SB cant gain any traction.

Hopefully with the addition of the interior work out facility SB can recruit better players and a real quarterback, then we can talk about an FBS move. I also think they have the money to do it, just not the talent, yet!!!!!!

I too would like to see some FCS success before a move up in a similar vein to what JMU accomplished this year before a move up, but that's not a requirement for me. We shouldn't move tomorrow, but it would be in our best interest to be FBS within the next 6-7 years before the next CFP contract gets negotiated as we'd want to be a part of that. Ideally as part of a regional conference of peer institutions.

Keep in mind. SB would have to expand that stadium to a NCAA min, 15,000 seats, and I am certain they have to guarantee a min of 15K tickets to sell otherwise the university makes up the difference. UMASS is going through that pain since their move up from the FCS.. A lot to consider when a program makes the leap..

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2017, 10:04:35 am »
Coastal got the call from the Sun Belt to move up when their stadium was barely bigger than ours and was well below the NCAA minimum. I'm not saying this is something we should do straight away, but I'm glad it's an option. I think our biggest challenge right now is simply filling the stadium. I'd love FBS, but I have no interest in being Eastern Michigan playing in a 30k seat stadium that only has 4k show up every week. Priore hasn't got it done in the CAA and with Hemphill leaving I think we could go from a five win team yearly to a two or three win team which would kill attendance even more. SH should have fired Priore and made Hemphill the head coach, but that's another topic....

If we could get homecoming crowds on a weekly basis, we'll be in good shape for a move up when the time comes. I look at independence as an avenue to forming a regional FBS conference with peer institutions. We wouldn't be like BYU and try to do it forever obviously. This waiver that the NCAA granted opens the door for much of the current CAA football teams to reclassify as independents during the transition period and then come together as an FBS conference one the transition period is over.

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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2017, 10:21:38 am »
 I like our options going forward now that Liberty has kind of led the way.  Finances and crowd support are big as is improving our talent base on the field . Hopefully in 5-7 years we will see movement with our expanded stadium and the indoor facility we are in good shape.

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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2017, 11:29:54 am »
This is a big news for northeast FCS footprint. As VA_Seawolf mentioned.. if the "you must be invited by an existing FBS conference" clause is not important anymore, I can see more FCS programs going to FBS sooner before NCAA changes mind about the clause. JMU and Delaware definitely have FBS aspiration.

The dream scenario for Stony Brook would be if JMU and Delaware transit and along with independent UMASS, Army and couple of lost in AAC northeast schools like UCONN and Temple start playing together. Along with those 6 schools, they will need 2 or 3 more football programs for regular schedule. I can see northeast schools like Stony Brook, Albany, Towson being considered for potential add.

We just have to make sure when the opportunity comes, we are at the front of these potential candidates as The indisputable candidate. Which means we need to turn into a CAA powerhouse sooner than later and start filling up the stadium.

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2017, 01:03:08 pm »
Coastal got the call from the Sun Belt to move up when their stadium was barely bigger than ours and was well below the NCAA minimum. I'm not saying this is something we should do straight away, but I'm glad it's an option. I think our biggest challenge right now is simply filling the stadium. I'd love FBS, but I have no interest in being Eastern Michigan playing in a 30k seat stadium that only has 4k show up every week. Priore hasn't got it done in the CAA and with Hemphill leaving I think we could go from a five win team yearly to a two or three win team which would kill attendance even more. SH should have fired Priore and made Hemphill the head coach, but that's another topic....

If we could get homecoming crowds on a weekly basis, we'll be in good shape for a move up when the time comes. I look at independence as an avenue to forming a regional FBS conference with peer institutions. We wouldn't be like BYU and try to do it forever obviously. This waiver that the NCAA granted opens the door for much of the current CAA football teams to reclassify as independents during the transition period and then come together as an FBS conference one the transition period is over.
I agree with you 1000% about coach P. Hemphill most likely would have stayed with SB had he gotten a shot at HC..Everybody on this Forum knows how I feel about this topic.. Coach P is stuck with SB through 2018 and he will not be let go. I think some of that has to do with $$. SB took a  hit with Fiore and they cant afford to take another hit with P. I also think our AD is somewhat committed to coach P because P was influential with making the decision to bring Heilbron on board.. If Fields is another dud, this team will be lucky to win 3 games this season.. Coach P should and must go!!!!!

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2017, 02:48:43 pm »
This is a big news for northeast FCS footprint. As VA_Seawolf mentioned.. if the "you must be invited by an existing FBS conference" clause is not important anymore, I can see more FCS programs going to FBS sooner before NCAA changes mind about the clause. JMU and Delaware definitely have FBS aspiration.

The dream scenario for Stony Brook would be if JMU and Delaware transit and along with independent UMASS, Army and couple of lost in AAC northeast schools like UCONN and Temple start playing together. Along with those 6 schools, they will need 2 or 3 more football programs for regular schedule. I can see northeast schools like Stony Brook, Albany, Towson being considered for potential add.

We just have to make sure when the opportunity comes, we are at the front of these potential candidates as The indisputable candidate. Which means we need to turn into a CAA powerhouse sooner than later and start filling up the stadium.

A conference like one outlined below I think would be really beneficial for SBU and overall G5 football in the northeast in general:

Stony Brook
Buffalo
Albany (if they move up, I personally wouldn't mind the competition)
New Hampshire
UMASS
Delaware
Temple
Marshall
Cincinatti
JMU
ODU
Charlotte
VCU (non-football)
Dayton (non-football)

Six team divisions for football, basketball you could work out. Others like Towson or possibly the academies could come along. This league could easily get at least two bids a year to the NCAA tournament. Some schools lag academically, but would bring recruiting and good football tradition. Everyone would get a little bit of everything as far as travel partners and rivalries go. This league assumes UCONN gets a P5 invite, Cincinnati doesn't get raided by the remnants of the Big 12/AAC/MWC, and that VCU, UMASS, and others would leave the A10, but this would be a very solid, very much regional league without too many outliers. If others like Charlotte or Marshall want to realign south, that's their choice, we simply settle at 9-12 members or invite other schools. The NCAA has a continuity rule for basketball auto-bids, but we could work that bit out if we got a full invite with Albany and UNH to the CAA...

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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2017, 07:06:19 pm »
That's a good looking conference  hopefully we will see something like that develop someday.