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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2019, 08:35:22 am »
In the 2012 MLB draft, which school had the most players drafted?  LSU?  Arizona?  South Carolina?  Nope.

Stony Brook. 7 players.

Probably the biggest athletic achievement this school has ever had.

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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2019, 10:14:42 am »
Yep, I know it’s not the popular viewpoint but the 2012 CWS appearance is like UMBC beating Virginia last year in basketball. It gets great press for a year but the effects fade over time and it’s unlikely to be repeated without a conference switch. College sports exist to support the academic mission of the university, not the other way around. Moving forward, I don’t see baseball (or tennis, or softball...) doing anything to boost SBU’s academic reputation, directly or indirectly. Most students and faculty couldn’t care less, and attendance figures prove it. Realistically, I don’t think baseball will be dropped, but there’s reason to consider the option given the ceiling on recruiting in the AEC and if the school’s finances require it.
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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2019, 06:20:26 pm »
Who watches tennis, volleyball, track, etc?  They’re all still sports at SB.

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« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2019, 01:03:56 am »
Who watches tennis, volleyball, track, etc?  They’re all still sports at SB.

Many of those are for Title IX compliance on the women's side and outside of scholarships don't have many huge costs like equipment, shoulder pads, huge coaching salaries, etc.

This is a discussion we're going to need to have at some point about what sports we can keep/emphasize. Despite being in the northeast, our Baseball team making the CWS showed we can field a competitive team up here in the NE. It's not impossible. SBU is a very good school too, so we can attract the athletes. It's tough for us, but not impossible. Baseball is a cornerstone American sport and despite not being exactly well suited for it, it's not one we should drop. Conference realignment will be a  hot topic in the coming years and while it's a tertiary consideration at best, baseball is an important sport to the southern based conferences. It's a revenue sport in the SEC for instance. Having it and being relevant in it are bonuses. Getting killed the way we did against LSU and ASU is more a function of being in the AE and not having the talent. Have to switch conferences for that.


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« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2019, 01:10:40 am »
Hopefully we get a new president with a Power 5 mindset. The state chancellor said that she wants our endowment to be $1 billion in 10 years, so she has “big time” in her mind. Especially with our AAU ties, getting a fresh face in charge in time for conference realignment could be crucial.

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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2019, 05:17:30 am »
Hopefully we get a new president with a Power 5 mindset. The state chancellor said that she wants our endowment to be $1 billion in 10 years, so she has “big time” in her mind. Especially with our AAU ties, getting a fresh face in charge in time for conference realignment could be crucial.

Agreed. A new President with power 5 aspirations and Shawn Heilbron who always talks about moving up in conference is what this university needs to be taken seriously in all D1 sports.

Nobody cares about the CAA or the AE conferences. The proof is in the pudding with men's Baseball getting clobbered against tougher competition.  I've been saying this for years and years now. SB needs to get out of the bottom basement conferences and moves up. The time is now. It's now or never depending upon who comes in to run this University...

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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2019, 08:01:45 am »
My priority would still be the academic and fundraising sides of the University.  A lot has been done to improve SB, but more needs to be done.  My midwestern niece (good athlete, good grades, good scores, top high school) recently considered a lot of out of state state schools, like UVa and UNC, but SB was never in the conversation.  That should change.  Maybe being in a Power 5 conference would help.

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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2019, 08:23:55 am »
its an important anecdote- we don't compete with those schools.  they have 100+ years head start on us of history and tradition, and LI doesnt have the draw of c-ville or chapel hill.

the latter can be fixed though.
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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2019, 12:27:37 am »
Power 5?!? Look, SBU has arguably the highest ceiling of any current FCS school as far as aspiring to be in a P5 conference some day (UC Davis is the other that comes to mind) because of our academics, but my God how are we going to get a P5 invite we're not even FBS yet? It's clear the AE/CAA holds us back. That's beating a dead horse at this point. I have no doubt SH is doing everything he can to position SBU the best he can athletically, but these things must be done in steps.

Next step is going FBS and hopefully upgrading everything else in the process. Our best path to FBS is the MAC. That's far and away our best option. We'd be the strongest school academically in that conference and have a natural rival in Buffalo. Plus some of the western schools such as Western Michigan, Toledo, and NIU while not all that great academically, field competitive football teams. The MAC would be good for us. In the process we'd upgrade basketball (MAC was almost a multi-bid league this year) and I'm sure we could figure out where to put the rest of the sports. LAX could probably stay in the AE if push came to shove.

Alternatively, if other schools are willing to move up with us (I'm looking at JMU and Delaware specifically), going FBS as an independent is an option. I'd be VERY wary of winding up like Umass if we did this, but it's an option and with Umass, Liberty, Army, JMU, Delaware, NMSU, and BYU to schedule as fellow independents, it wouldn't be very hard to put together a decent schedule. If we wanted to throw caution to the wind and get SBU into the strongest conference situation possible, we'd go all-in on A10 while shooting for football-only membership in the MAC or C-USA. That would give us the opportunity to shine on all fronts and make us attractive to the AAC if we did well. As enticing as that would be, I think being in the MAC and having the stability of a conference, plus outside shot at the NY6 access bowl is the best situation for SBU to be in.


If SBU moves up to FBS between now and 2025, and then does well there, while keeping the academics up and growing the endowment to beyond $1B (why the hell haven't they given Simons' hedge fund a big chunk of the money to manage!?) maybe by the late 2030's when the ACC's GOR expires, and the Big Ten finally realizes adding a school in New Jersey with the expectation they'd deliver New York was a mistake (lol Rutgers) they'll look at SBU. Either conference would be a slam dunk. I think I'd prefer the ACC simply because I'd prefer winning a conference title in football more than once every 200 years.
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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2019, 05:43:22 am »
Power 5?!? Look, SBU has arguably the highest ceiling of any current FCS school as far as aspiring to be in a P5 conference some day (UC Davis is the other that comes to mind) because of our academics, but my God how are we going to get a P5 invite we're not even FBS yet? It's clear the AE/CAA holds us back. That's beating a dead horse at this point. I have no doubt SH is doing everything he can to position SBU the best he can athletically, but these things must be done in steps.

Next step is going FBS and hopefully upgrading everything else in the process. Our best path to FBS is the MAC. That's far and away our best option. We'd be the strongest school academically in that conference and have a natural rival in Buffalo. Plus some of the western schools such as Western Michigan, Toledo, and NIU while not all that great academically, field competitive football teams. The MAC would be good for us. In the process we'd upgrade basketball (MAC was almost a multi-bid league this year) and I'm sure we could figure out where to put the rest of the sports. LAX could probably stay in the AE if push came to shove.

Alternatively, if other schools are willing to move up with us (I'm looking at JMU and Delaware specifically), going FBS as an independent is an option. I'd be VERY wary of winding up like Umass if we did this, but it's an option and with Umass, Liberty, Army, JMU, Delaware, NMSU, and BYU to schedule as fellow independents, it wouldn't be very hard to put together a decent schedule. If we wanted to throw caution to the wind and get SBU into the strongest conference situation possible, we'd go all-in on A10 while shooting for football-only membership in the MAC or C-USA. That would give us the opportunity to shine on all fronts and make us attractive to the AAC if we did well. As enticing as that would be, I think being in the MAC and having the stability of a conference, plus outside shot at the NY6 access bowl is the best situation for SBU to be in.


If SBU moves up to FBS between now and 2025, and then does well there, while keeping the academics up and growing the endowment to beyond $1B (why the hell haven't they given Simons' hedge fund a big chunk of the money to manage!?) maybe by the late 2030's when the ACC's GOR expires, and the Big Ten finally realizes adding a school in New Jersey with the expectation they'd deliver New York was a mistake (lol Rutgers) they'll look at SBU. Either conference would be a slam dunk. I think I'd prefer the ACC simply because I'd prefer winning a conference title in football more than once every 200 years.


I agree on most parts of what you are saying. But to sum things up in a nutshell when it pertains to Football. Maybe SB should consistently be rank in the top 25 before we could even talk about the move up to FBS. Heck, Elon, who is a new member of the CAA and D1 football is ranked in the top 25. SB????? well, keep giving good old chuck P contract extensions every 4 years and maybe SB football can win the championship game one day. At the div3 level that is. Just maybe..

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-hero-sports-preseason-top-25-fcs-ajaj
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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2019, 08:23:14 am »
I agree on most parts of what you are saying. But to sum things up in a nutshell when it pertains to Football. Maybe SB should consistently be rank in the top 25 before we could even talk about the move up to FBS. Heck, Elon, who is a new member of the CAA and D1 football is ranked in the top 25. SB????? well, keep giving good old chuck P contract extensions every 4 years and maybe SB football can win the championship game one day. At the div3 level that is. Just maybe..
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-hero-sports-preseason-top-25-fcs-ajaj
Wrong topic for this forum, but the coaching staff at Maine (#4) apparently does a better job attracting talent to the far northern woods than SBU can, which isn't even among the 42 top teams listed. Something wrong with that.

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Re: 2019 Baseball season
« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2019, 09:18:26 am »
I agree on most parts of what you are saying. But to sum things up in a nutshell when it pertains to Football. Maybe SB should consistently be rank in the top 25 before we could even talk about the move up to FBS. Heck, Elon, who is a new member of the CAA and D1 football is ranked in the top 25. SB????? well, keep giving good old chuck P contract extensions every 4 years and maybe SB football can win the championship game one day. At the div3 level that is. Just maybe..
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-hero-sports-preseason-top-25-fcs-ajaj
Wrong topic for this forum, but the coaching staff at Maine (#4) apparently does a better job attracting talent to the far northern woods than SBU can, which isn't even among the 42 top teams listed. Something wrong with that.

Obviously, I believe you but that's odd considering how well Matt Senk is regarded in college and pro baseball circles.  Probably SB's best coach after (or along with) Spallina.