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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #120 on: September 23, 2014, 02:21:53 pm »
Just thought I would throw this out there. Why wasn't Matt Larsen considered for the AD position. Does anyone have any insight into this. The article states. Larsen been with the program for 19 years and came up from the bottom and made it to the top.. Don't you think a local guy like him would have been a good pick for SB Athletics?? Dont get me wrong, I think Heilbron is the man too and he will do wonderful things for SB. Not to mention on Twitter this morning, SB announced Heilbron is in the works to build a indoor Football field.... Just curious!!!


http://www.goseawolves.org/genrel/092314aaa.html
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #121 on: September 23, 2014, 02:55:35 pm »
A tough loss for the U as Matt was an alum and a longtime part of the administration... he was there in the old days when... well, you all remember what it was like.

Good for him though landing such a big job at a place that has hosted Gameday twice now and has a dominant FCS football program and will continue to beat FBS teams and possibly even jump up to FBS (there's always talk about this). 

Perhaps we have him comeback someday down the line!
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« Reply #122 on: September 23, 2014, 03:03:17 pm »
I think President Stanley may have been looking for a guy with experience in a raising revenue and from the Power-5 leagues. that may have influenced him... but I'm always supportive of hiring from within and it seems like this guy had a ton of experience at Stony Brook. I wish him luck as the AD of NDSU. He deserves it!
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #123 on: November 12, 2014, 12:56:55 pm »
just tying this thread into the football thread... Crazy Eddie has some VERY interesting insights to add that are relevant here... http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/2012-2020-future-of-stony-brook-football/msg12032/#msg12032


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Also, the problem with a school like Stony Brook is that there is not a unified team between the administration/campus life/ and residential life to encourage attendance at athletics events. These organizations feel like they all work separately and at times it feels like they work against each other or compete for the attention of students. Most of the time while I was at the University residential life (RAs, RHDs, and etc) didn't even acknowledge that there was a football game going on at the stadium. They had their own list of events scheduled and at times they even had events with time conflicts with football. That's why I hated the whole setup. In a way they would promote "Residential College" pride but not "Stony Brook pride" which is absolutely ridiculous. Why do I give a fu** if I live in Langmuir College... I'm a Stony Brook student and a proud wolf so they should be promoting university-wide events and not their on agenda

They SHOULD BE NOTHING schedule when there is a football game on campus. the Football game and basketball games should be where all students mingle no matter whether they live in South Campus or North campus. Its sad that the administration as whole has not noticed this yet. This is why the campus is so disjointed. Students don't feel like they are part of a greater whole. They don't feel like TRUE seawolves. They just feel like students that belong to their specific Quad and that's it

in my visits to the University of Connecticut I was amazed how well they do it. They do an amazing job promoting UCONN pride. Students wear their pride everywhere they go... and not only that: If they have to Chant "UCONN.... HUSKY" at any location they would get a crowd to respond to them. Try the same at Stony Brook with the "What's a Seawolf?" and people will probably laugh at you.

and UCONN is only one example. I'm sure there is schools that do it waaaay better than them out there. The Clemsons, South Carolina, Florida, Syracuses of the world...

Honest effort has to be put in by the administrator. Real effort. This should also go hand in hand with the constructions of new facilities to enhance student life as mentioned in the Making SB Better thread
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #124 on: November 12, 2014, 02:41:53 pm »
posting here from football so its all in one place- for the eventual letter that Crazy Eddie will pen to the administration!

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its tough today.  kids rather play with facebook or smartphones or whatever.  its easier to sit on the couch.

in the idea thread, some solutions that wont get us all the way there but will help- give away free t-shirts, get schedule magnets in every dorm, give away free food at games, give away free tuition, create a loyalty program where game attendees are entered for free tuition, etc.  In the old days, RAs would knock on doors and pump kids up and tell them to walk over to Seawolves Field.  more signage with schedules, more rivalry games, get the game piped into the Bench, closed circuit TV in each room, etc.  This isnt the silver bullet, but it helps.

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getting a better Student Commons area.  I was at Alabama this summer, and they have an awesome gathering place for the students, a circular bowl area, surrounded by eating areas and the student store.  nice place to hang out.


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this brings up an interesting question Crazy Eddie... i wasnt aware that there was such a disconnect.  thanks for sharing your insight as you were in the mix and know what's going on.

why such a decentralized process at SB?

i agree with your sentiment on getting scheduling together. 

the answers are there; that's not the hard part.  the solutions are clear.  even the expense- that's not even the hard part, because the school does have some $$$ to implement.  the real difficulty is getting the message to them, and then, being all on the same page.  so your right Crazy Eddie, disjointed. 

greater good, utilitarianism, JS Mill.  i remember reading this philosophy... ironically... at SB.

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I think to answer your question in why such a decentralized process at Stony Brook we have to take a look at its history, and its present, and the way they are planning for the future

This school was planned to be a research heavy institution from the start in the early 1960s. It grew so quickly that no one really paid attention at the "process" of how things really should get done. For decades our administrators were focused on making Stony Brook a top notch research institution and all the focus was to succeed in that and to a certain extent they have succeeded (It was only until Kenny came in the early 1990s that she noticed how ****ty everything else not involving "research" was at the University. She had great ideas of how things should be done because she came from the University of Texas-Austin... and she improved a lot of things but a lot of the old-timers hated her because her ideas took away from "more important" things )

Adding dorms, campus dining, a student Union, and athletics facilities came out of necessity with very little planning and thought in how to expand the campus cohesively and avoiding the red tape that we have today. So what we got today is a product of such a mess. We have the Faculty Student Association managing Campus Dining/Bookstore/ and the Seawolves Marketplace, Residential Life managing Student Residences, and you have the Athletic Department managing Athletic facilities and events. You also have the Commuter Student Association working for the interest of the commuter population and the Stony Brook Weekend Life Council managing Student Activities on Weekends.... Lastly add the Undergraduate Student Government and Graduate Student Organization working for the interests of their respective students... and between this pile of garbage you have the Students trying to find an event to have fun burried between all these divisions that some times don't seem to work together.

Dr. Stanley did a great job consolidating and eliminating red tape with his Project 50... But he basically focused on the academic and administrative arm of the University...

When is something going to be done to eliminate all the garbage in the student life side of things? I'm not so sure

But my point is...

All these groups (USG, GSO, FSA, Athletics, ResLife, Commuter S.A, Campus Dining, Student Life Weekend Council) should have a common schedule which doesn't conflict between each other. They should help one another advertise events and should have common goal of engaging the entire stony Brook community not just a tiny fraction of the population.

In reality what usually happens is that you end up having one big fraction of the population who doesn't even find out that there are events currently going on... or that is attending another event they care more about... or who goes home on weekend cuz he thinks Stony Brook is boring and full of apathy because of little marketing and little unity.

Take a minute or two and visit the site

today.uconn.edu

There you can find out pretty much everything that is currently going on at UCONN...

Then find me a site other than this ****ty calendar that promotes events to the campus community

http://calendar.activedatax.com/stonybrook/EventList.aspx?fromdate=11/12/2014&todate=11/25/2014&display=Month&view=DateTime

Stony Brook can do better than that... Sometimes I just think they choose not to. The solution is there, but our admins are to blind to even see it. They get away with murder

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from what i know, agreed.  it grew so quickly, that things get missed. 

i hadnt even heard of some of these groups.  to me, the critical one is the Stony Brook Weekend Life Council.  this could be the key to getting things changed and perhaps boosting attendance.  http://studentaffairs.stonybrook.edu/sac/weekend_life/weekendlife.shtml

but like i always say, mini golf and movies and laser tag aint gonna do it!  we have to look at our competition and what they are doing right/wrong. 

i *love* golf.  i play 15 times a year.  but look how exciting this is to an 18 year old: https://stonybrook.collegiatelink.net/organization/weekendlife/gallery/Album/33344

a whopping 40 students are on the roster for that club.  i do applaud the efforts though.  here is the mission: http://studentaffairs.stonybrook.edu/sac/weekend_life/cosponsorship.shtml

doesnt entirely reflect the ideas we've come up with in the idea thread, but then again, they are constrained by the powers that be.  its a university-sanctioned club.

i am repetitive- i know.  but you have to consider this: a 17 year old holds a brochure for SB, and one for... SJU, Albany, Delaware, Buffalo, Oneonta, etc. 
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #125 on: November 19, 2014, 02:30:22 pm »
Crazy Eddie- were you serious about putting together something to go to the Administration?

Think it will get airtime?  Will it be taken seriously?  Who are the right people to contact?

I am willing to help.  I'm sure others here are too.  Thanks for all you do. 


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« Reply #126 on: November 20, 2014, 10:15:55 am »
I been thinking about it. But as of yet I really haven't written anything serious. I don't even know who to address it. But I let you know when I start putting my ideas into paper. Been busy lately with a lot of work/schooling
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #127 on: January 21, 2015, 09:20:09 am »
more good news on keeping students on campus- better food and new facilities: http://fsa.sunysb.edu/westsidedining/renderings.php

it looks like last spring the west side dining hall opened, which is a $23M renovation of the former kelly quad dining hall.
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #128 on: January 21, 2015, 09:29:59 am »
and just as we prepare for new dorms in between irving college and the wang center... there starts the complaints: http://sbstatesman.com/2014/12/13/construction-on-toll-drive-results-in-destruction-of-5-5-acres-of-woodland/

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At the Nov. 13 Undergraduate Student Government senate meeting, College of Arts and Sciences Sen. Taylor Bouraad gave an estimate that 5,000 trees were destroyed from construction, but Stony Brook University Media Relations found that although the trees have not been counted, at least several hundred were removed.

Looks like a new parking lot is going up in that small space too. 
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #129 on: January 21, 2015, 10:00:00 am »
for what its worth- 10 Cringeworthy Locations at SBU http://www.sbindependent.org/10-cringeworthy-locations-at-sbu/

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4. Kenneth P. LaValle Stadium – (noun)

a. Where Seawolves wait for  hangovers to wear-off, accompanied by mediocre athletics. Not included: Michael Bamiro, Miguel Maysonet and the whole women’s lacrosse team. Those girls are tough and slightly terrifying.

again, its clearly the sarcasms of a malcontent, and not representative of all students, but these are the thoughts of one student.  can this really be how some students think???
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #130 on: January 21, 2015, 03:33:12 pm »
for those interested in student disaffection... directly from the students:

Anyone know any good bars in the area during the week? http://www.reddit.com/r/SBU/comments/2kjep6/anyone_know_any_good_bars_in_the_area_during_the/

fact is kids want to meet others in college.  and do some drinking.  that's normally done in the public realm (bars) or privately (apts, houses, etc).  exclude private for obvious reasons.  so the above question is raised and the answers are?  all miles away from campus.  if we want to build school spirit and athletic event attendance, the students have to be on campus first for that to happen.  how to keep them there?  give them something to do- something that normal college kids do- ones that apply to SB and go elsewhere.

Quick Questions about SBU! Dorms, UGCs, Campus life etc.  4) How are the parties? Nightlife? Campus/Dorm Atmosphere http://www.reddit.com/r/SBU/comments/2or7q3/quick_questions_about_sbu_dorms_ugcs_campus_life/

like it or not, this is what kids are asking on the web.  answers include sh---y compared to other schools; atmosphere is really dreadful and depressing; etc.

Transferring in..maybe. How is campus life? Etc etc.http://www.reddit.com/r/SBU/comments/2oq9n9/transferring_inmaybe/

some awful feedback about the food.  worse about the condition of the dorms and repairs.  and then this: "living here is so miserable that I wish I looked anywhere else."  "nothing has ever even reached the level of disgusting this place has".  "even most of those who live on campus go home on weekends, so they're usually quite dead. For example, I've walked across campus in the middle of a Saturday and not seen a single person in 20 minutes. There are also fewer food selections on weekends to compensate for this." "living here leaves much to be desired. If I could choose, I would have gone somewhere else. That's how unfortunate living here has been, and I have a group of friends."
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #131 on: February 04, 2015, 09:27:08 am »
was poking around the hofstra threads... why?  because despite being a different university, they share a lot of the same issues we do, with student disaffection.

http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40417&start=2600#p1280221

read this post and the one after it.  you can pump money into facilities, grow the student body, build a nice campus, and even hire a good coach who can bring in recruits.

but you'll still find disaffected students. 

fairfield too- arguably another school that has much in common with SB: http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40417&start=2600#p1280659
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #132 on: February 09, 2015, 09:06:02 am »
and while we are on that topic- looking at our rival schools is instructive, i think: http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52587&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p1281308
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #133 on: February 14, 2015, 10:38:07 am »
noticed this new seal that i havent seen before- anyone know the origin of this?  i found it on wiki.  it includes the shield that was put in place a few years ago but now is an entirely new seal:



an improvement!  good work SB.
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